Anonymous
Two years ago

Brett Maher Career

Looking at Brett's career, he's obviously an NBL/Australian basketball legend, and was simply amazing as a player. My question is, why he never really played much Euro basketball or NBA try-outs? I'm looking at the players that are getting opportunities today, such as Sobey (who had one breakout season) and he's already played in Europe and had NBA tryouts. What went wrong I guess?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Adam Gibson is another one I'd ask that question about? Both guys were Olympians too.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Back then it was harder to get opportunities. The internet has helped opening up the world with creating more exposure for players. Now you can scout from your office chair.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Adam Gibson seems to be a too laid back passive guy to go overseas, plus nowhere near Maher's league.

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Isaac  
Two years ago

Maybe athleticism and interest? And it was generally less common then? Could ask similar questions about Bruton, Heal, Black, etc who also had similar ability.

I think Maher considered Europe towards the end of his career?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Heal did play in Europe isaac.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If those stars from the 90s such as Loggins and Sam MacKinnon were playing now you would think they would have had those opportunities that guys like Sobey and Creek have.

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XY  
Two years ago

As brilliant as he was domestically, Brett never really sought out or was able to maximise his potential internationally. That included being anchored to the bench during the Olympic campaigns when most thought he could be an impact player.

Maher was a bit of a John Stockton lite, without some of the freakish elements of Stockton's game that would translate to NBA level. That is a character type that would have been very hard to convince an international/NBA team to invest in heavily, particularly given this was before the recruiters were more open to international prospects. Only a handful of Maher's contemporaries had meaningful stints overseas, and by all reports a number of those experiences were not that fun.

It is not on his wiki profile, but I recall Maher did spend one off season playing in Turkey as an import. But Maher had other priorities during his playing days including the tragedy which surrounded Hudson's illness.

Maher also had some niggling injuries along the way which limited his explosiveness and quickness, particularly in his latter years.

Maher deserves to be considered among the greatest Aussie men to play the game, but I think he would be pretty happy with what he achieved in the sport.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Pretty sure the Internet was around when Maher played if I'm not mistaken, and players like Kirk Penney took advantage of playing in euro comps. To say it was easier, seems to be a cop out. Maybe Maher didn't want to? Gibson, having Olympics on his resume alone should have gotten him significant attention.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The thread is not a dig at Maher, rather a question about opportunities

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

Heal did play in Europe isaac.

Pretty sure Stephen Black did, too.
So did CJ. Or at least that's what he told the Wildcats he was doing. I can't seem to recall how well he actually did over there though.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Lots of guys played in Europe when the "Internet" was like it was now. Stephen Black definitely played in Europe and guys like CJ also got NBA looks. Who was Maher's manager?

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It is not on his wiki profile, but I recall Maher did spend one off season playing in Turkey as an import.


Yeah I was going to post after this topic came up that Maher played in Turkey but I wasn't 100% sure so I checked Wikipedia. But there is no mention of it on there?

Also was going to make the CJ going overseas joke but imo has been worn out.

Back then the internet wasn't like it is today. Try acquiring footage over the net with dialup speeds. Today it is a breeze with players and leagues themselves uploading footage.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Imagine today if you are overseas working or on holiday. Easy to follow NBL due to NBL.TV, social media etc. Impossible not long ago, apart from reading about it on forums.

Try doing that even five years ago.

Times have changed. LOL @ "internet was the same back then"

Now scouting is easier as footage is everywhere.

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Jayden K Smith  
Two years ago

yep Brett played Euroleague, correct international movement is a lot more fluid nowadays.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

And Gibson? Did he suffer from "dial-up" Internet too?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

he suffers from 28.8kbps motivation

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Brett averaged 4.4ppg playing in Turkey according to Eurobasket

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

he was adelaide based for 18 seasons and turkey based for 1 seasoning mmmm I'm suddenly hungry

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The world has definately changed since then. Many more opportunities for guys because of the way the communications changed but also more Aussies doing well paving the way for more in the future.

I read in a blog story that Maher himself did recently that he had been recruited by U of Arizona when they were very good.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

So Maher was recruited by Lute Olson? That's pretty legit.

he suffers from 28.8kbps motivation

OMG HAHAHA you've perfectly summed up Gibson in five words!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"yep Brett played Euroleague"

In Europe in the Turkish league, not _the_ Euroleague.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

FLASHBACK FRIDAY

Here is a match report from 4 May 2005:

http://www.bjk.com.tr/en/news/25603/p_karsiyaka_65_besiktas_63.html

Brett sunk a three to tie scores up late for Besiktas in their Turkish Cup semi final but to no avail as they ultimately lost.

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Isaac  
Two years ago

Heal did play in Europe isaac.
Yes, thought he probably did, but those guys had the talent to play 50%+ of their career there if they wanted. All of them were about as good as all but the best imports we've had.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Understood.

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FYI  
Two years ago

People also forget that the NBL money in the prime of some of these players was very very decent.

Europe wasn't paying the big money it was back then either so there was no need to look overseas.

Ben Mel was making 300k playing in the NBL when the guys mentioned were in their prime.

Heal really on got an NBA look in after going off vs Dream Team 2

The NBA has gone very international since those days as well. It was an oddity for an NBA team to have an overseas player now its very normal. Thats an attitude adjustment from the NBA and not a slight on the NBL players of the day.

An almost all NBL team finished 4th in Sydney. That showed the calibre of talent that was around in the NBL. Remember Gaze barely made an NBA roster and he was the GOAT, now we mist likely would never have seen him in the NBL til he was ready to retire.

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Double Clutch  
Two years ago

When people point out that Maher average 4.4 ppg in Europe it's important to note that he was bought into Besiktas later in the season not as a major piece but to bolster the second unit. While he was coming off a good NBL season where he may have been the one of the most valuable Australians in the competition, this was towards the twilight of his career and was after the tragedy that occurred with Hudson. He was playing at a high level still but his body was already showing signs of strain, his ability to contain faster guards by this point becoming an issue.

The answer to why he didn't go further is already listed many times, opportunities, partly due to the internet and partly due to scouts being open to Australians. When Heal got his chance with Minnesota following the 1996 olympics not many people believed any NBL player could move to the NBA, let alone a undersized shoot first guard who played no defence. Heal averaged 1.7ppg on 26% shooting, so he didn't exactly prove anyone incorrect there. And Heal was in front of Maher in the Boomers rotation (I would say incorrectly) so what chance did Maher have getting some interest?

In 1997 Ben Pepper, CJ Bruton and Paul Rogers got picked up as second round stash options and Anstey was drafted 17 by Dallas, the first true NBL to NBA leap (discounting Gaze with Bullets in 94 and Longley due to his college stop-over). Only Rogers sniffed the league in the second round options (but didn't play), but Anstey had a okay three year run. From there for Australians it's very sparse. Other than Gaze and Heal getting a second run both with the Spurs via Brett Brown being on staff the next Aussie in the NBA was Bogut. By this point the only Australians who have stuck in the NBA were bigs.

I would say by 2005 when guys like Penny got a shot with the change in league rules and the success of foreign guards such as Parker, Ginobili and the like opportunities were starting to open up. Penny also had a starring role on his national team, which helped with exposure.

Nowdays we have multiple guards in the league with different playing styles such as Delly, Patty and Exum and now a NBA global academy. Ferguson coming here last season helped further open up opportunities. 36ers games were crawling with scouts last season, and as a testament to how things have changed I am sitting in a bar in Khaolak right now sending links of videos to college coaches.

Now that's not to say Maher would have stuck in the NBA, but opportunities in the late 90s weren't as easy to come by as they are now.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Brett maher. Good player. Went overseas for a bit. End of story

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

FYI - great point re: larger salaries in NBL back then.

Double Clutch - sending videos to scous - what is your job?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I thought the NBL season being in winter also impacted on europe options and was one of the selling points of moving to summer. ie sobey for example is able to play nbl and some europe.

The other thing is im sure maher was being paid pretty well through most of his career and maybe was happy with that and not chasing more money or playing 12 months a year.

His limited minutes at the olympics were a joke, he was treated very harshly there in my view and this probably impacted exposure as well.

In my view he could have more than held his own in europe in his prime. In his prime im sure he was probably better than a lot of the guys towards the end of nba benches too but there werent many opportunities for foreign players in the league back then.

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Jack Toft  
Two years ago

Maybe, in the off season, Tanya had him doing all the jobs around home he didn't get to? Those lawns can get pretty long.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

NBL had better salaries back then. I remember Ricky Grace driving a Ferrari. No NBL players drive cars like that nowadays. Only that one brother of a certain NBL player :P

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Double Clutch  
Two years ago

Anon 643276 - My job isn't related to coaching, it's my hobby (although a hobby I am passionate about). That shows how far scouting of international prospects have come, someone in my position in the 90s wouldn't have those kind of contacts or discussions.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Alright makes sense Double Clutch.

and yeah I was the one who first brought up in this thread how technology has made everyone in the basketball word more inter-connected :)

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

I remember Maher was headhunted by former NBA player Gundars Vetra when he was coaching a team in his native Latvia but Maher ultimately decided to turn the offer down.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Here is the blog a poster above mentions:

https://www.highperformancehoopsnetwork.com/single-post/2017/05/21/Brett-Maher-The-Olympics-By-a-triple-Olympian

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Double Clutch  
Two years ago

Anon 643291 - Great minds think alike :-)

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Southern Joe  
Two years ago

IIRC there was a strong rumour that he would be signed by the Kings because his son(?) was having specialist treatment in Sydney & it would suit him to be based in Sydney.

Anyone confirm this?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Those were rumours on the forums back in the day at one stage. How realistic they were who knows.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hey anon Brett Maher good player.
Well obviously you don't support Sixers and didn't see him play often especially finals or have very bad memory.
Brett was one of NBL greats and our best player ever and produced when it counted unlike our last star.

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