KingPodge
Years ago
http://www.taipans.com/news/article/35263-jawai-ruled-12-weeks
LoveBroker
Years ago
Damn thats tough, done the work to get into shape now this.
Hopefully his recovery will be smooth, Egwu now has to step up big time.
Ricey
Years ago
What happened to him losing weight in the offseason? Surely by now he realises his weight is a direct connection to his body constantly failing him
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
If Nate comes back overweight he would be letting dowm so many people
Ricey
Years ago
Ah. Well then good but he still looks huge. Doesn't seem to have that explosiveness back yet either
What chance he will be mentally ready for the playoffs?
KingPodge
Years ago
Well Rehab is lonely and tough as hell. I hope he manages to come back and finish the season, but the guy just can't win a trick throughout his career.
KingPodge
Years ago
Ricey, he's always been huge and I don’t think you’ve watched any of the 14 minutes he played before the injury.
Greybuoy
Years ago
What chance he will be mentally ready for the playoffs?
CT
Years ago
I feel really sorry for him but for me this really draws a line under the fact that the Jawai experiment has been a bust. Such a shame because he looked deadly for the 10 minutes he was on the court on Friday, but can't see how we're ever going to get more than half a season out of him at a time.
At this rate I dread to think what kind of Jawai money will wind up making per game with us. 10k per appearance? 1k per point?
KingPodge
Years ago
Kings have a decent DNPCD just sitting there.....
So much to achieve, so many injuries. Bye Nate.
Freethrows
Years ago
It's a cruel blow to both Nate, and the franchise.
@Ricey, you're embarrassing yourself; as @KingPodge said, you didn't watch that first game. Nate lost a lot of weight coming into this season. He looks much trimmer and was moving really well.
There will be a huge responsibility on Egwu, Loughton and Weigh to carry the load of the power positions, now. I hope Evans, and then Carrera, can help to shoulder some of that burden.
I would also suggest this will put Tevin Jackson in a position to really show his wares, because he's the obvious guy to step up to the roster among the DPs.
This is what happens when you can't lay down the Pringles.
Really feel for Nate. He did look great in that game.
IMO, he is surprisingly athletic, but he may well have to accept that even though his body can do those things, it may just be too risky.
Along with weight loss and conditioning, he may need to consider moderating his feats of athleticism.
Other players have adjusted their games following injury issues.
Is his heart still an issue? Raptors flashback.
SteveK2
Years ago
Along with weight loss and conditioning, he may need to consider moderating his feats of athleticism.
Good point anon. I felt he could stand to lose a few more kilos with the way he played leading up to that injury, but if its a challenge to lose more weight, particularly as he gets older, your suggestion is very sound indeed.
Let's see what Tevin can do. He looked comfortable in NZ
proud
Years ago
So I think I read on here that Cairns local big man Jeromie Hill is taking time off from basketball... now with Jawai going down, I wonder if he is regretting that decision as he could really save his career.
Sucks for the big guy
Wookiee
Years ago
Kings have a decent DNPCD just sitting there.....
And to be honest, I'd rather he get some game up there then be wasted on our bench because of some internal things or a coach who can't handle his team...
Really sucks for Nate, but agree that if he comes back close to full strength, he really needs to moderate what he does as this injury just sort of happened, not with a clash with another player or anything... Fingers crossed he can keep the focus and drive to stay healthy post-surgery, as especially something that hinders your movement, it's a slippery slope to fall off...
Ones got to wonder though that if he doesn't come back good this season that is that it for him? It's not like a Matt Knight situation, but you'd think that if he continues to get such injuries playing the game, is it worth it to continue?
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
Is this Garlepp we're speaking of?
What's the story?
Snooch
Years ago
He's always been huge, and that's always been his problem. He's never been able to maintain a lower weight - always up and down - which indicates he hasn't had long-term discipline when it comes to nutrition.
That doesn't mean he hasn't worked hard to get where he is because it's obvious he has - but I think it would be disingenuous to think he's the most disciplined pro around.
LV
Years ago
That's a real loss for the Taipans- and the entire league.
He was playing so well in that first half and looked in good shape, I thought he looked ready for his best season since his NBL return. Disappointed for big Nate.
KingPodge
Years ago
Snooch, you're right to an extent. However, his serious weight gains have always come after long rehabs and it takes serious discipline to ride those out and maintain conditioning. Sometimes that isn't possible though, like that head/spinal injury he got in Turkey. He couldn't train/play at all for something like 12 months. He had plenty of pudding in the tank when he got to the Wildcats because of that. It's hard to maintain discipline when you can't do any physical work, and you're at the bottom of that pit wondering if you'll ever play again.
Outside of that, from what I understand, he hasn't really had major issues when healthy maintaining his playing weight - even when the Raptors sat him for 6 months because their medical team left their Malleus Maleficarums at home..
It should also be noted as well that none of Jawai's injuries have been related to his weight. Even this one. It's a freak thing. Had it been related to his weight, word is that it would have happened when he was sitting closer to 200kgs and/or in the preseason when his workload was much higher.
And nothing has anything to do with any heart issue... (wtf Anon?)
Podge, blink twice if you need help. Is Jawai or the Cairns physio standing behind you?
I think Cairns should close all the bakeries to stop him eating the pies. Hardly looks slim!
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
While a lot of what you say is true, Podge, you're kind of an enabler with all the excuses.
While plantar fasciitis (which is what Fearne thought to be the injury) does have to do with weight, it has to do with a lot of other things too
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
But those above who are saying Nate is in bad shape are kidding themselves. Looks to have lost 15+ kilos over the off-season
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
That's a conservative 15 kegs.
Also, think about Nate at 180kg or whatever he may have been. He knew he was big so wouldn't push his body as far. Now he's slimmer, he was pulling off moves I haven't seen from him in years. Maybe when you have a ratio of weight:exertion, he overdid it with that dribble drive. But Yeah, plantar fasciitis has to do with posture/walking,running, jumping, panding techniques. Maybe that was a bit off too
Jawai went from 170kg to 140 and looked set for NBL 2nd team at least this season
The guy clearly had work to do but the hate is a little toxic
140 is still overweight! If he took his profession seriously he would be going around at the 120 mark
Twinkletoes
Years ago
Whilst Fearne and the Taipans initially thought the injury may be plantar fasciitis, it is actually a partial tear of a ligament in his foot.
Jawai getting injured is another example of how he's shown a true lack of professionalism and commitment to his teammates, the organisations he's played for and..most importantly..himself.
Imagine if he was 15-20kgs lighter in a Boomers uniform. Scary Thought!!
It was clear he didn't lose enough weight coming into the nbl season by his quick injury and the fact that Aaron had him coming off the bench.
Its a real shame that Jawai who has NBA, European and NBL experience has floated thru his career, particularly in the NBL and with more opportunities than most, not shown any signs of that he's learnt anything from playing at the highest level all around the world.
The sheer fact that Aaron has shown faith in Jawai again and its failed because of his injuries, could be the last straw for him if Cairns don't win the NBL.
And for those who say Jawai lost weight. It clearly wasn't enough! Beside if he had done so, Cairns would have made a statement about it to show everyone his commitment to this season.
Once again, Jawai has let those down who's supported him and look up to him as a basketball player.
Not sure if he recover from this injury if he's out for a long period of time.
Anon, that isn't true. None of Jawai's injuries had anything to do with weight. None of them! Podge said so!!!
"Jawai getting injured is another example of how he's shown a true lack of professionalism and commitment to his teammates, the organisations he's played for and..most importantly..himself."
you're trolling right? a lack of commitment? Like he got injured because he wasn't doing his job?
KingPodge
Years ago
Manu, not sure how i'm enabling or excusing anything.... I'm not his dietician... if i was he'd probably be 250kgs. I mean if he's out of condition he's out of condition, i'm just saying it's not simply JUST a result of any lack of work ethic. I saw some of the work he was putting in over this offseason, the guy was focused and committed.
Anyways, it's not plantar fasciitis. That would have been the best case because, depending on the severity, you can play thru it (like Dusty did/has/does).
Anon; *sigh* how is his weight-related to the head and spinal injury he got in Turkey? Or the 'enlarged heart' issue he had at the Raptors (he wasn't allowed to go over 100bbm)? Or the shoulder injury he required surgery for last season? The contact right foot injury he got in Minnesota?
And there have been stories about Jawai's weight loss and conditions this season:
https://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/09/21/03/34/slimmer-jawai-ready-to-dominate-nbl
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/basketball/a/37166803/slimmer-jawai-ready-to-dominate-nbl/
Or the back injury he suffered at the end of his season at Perth which almost made him miss a GF game....totally not weight related!
KingPodge
Years ago
it was a nerve pain injury that affected his back and his groin... It wasn't structural.
Hang on, are we saying that his heart issues aren't weight related? Or his blurred vision and tingling arm has got nothing to do with his weight either?
And what can cause pinched nerves?? Excess weight!
KingPodge
Years ago
huh? the heart issue wasn't a weight issue, the Raptors were being extra cautious because of previous issues in the NBA..... Jawai was also at his peak physically at that time - having just been drafted.
The blurred vision, tingling arm etc were because he got an elbow to the top of his head..
The nerve injury is wasn't weight related Dr Anonymous...
I mean talk trash all you like anon, but at least get basic facts right - there's something called google out there.
There sure is!
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=nerve+pain+and+weight+loss&rlz=1C1GGRV_enAU751AU751&oq=nerve&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59j0l4.3989j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
KingPodge
Years ago
Nice! linking to something unrelated to the guy's injury.
As Anon's go, you might just about be the most anon...
Said hello to him at the preseason tournament, looked in great shape. The man got a sports injury, it happens. Looked great against Illawarra last week, hope he makes a speed return, great asset to the league despite all the trolls on here.
And nothing has anything to do with any heart issue... (wtf Anon?)
WTF Podge? When he was at the Raptors they had him sit out due to issues they found with his heart.
Podge come on, use some common sense. You honestly don't think that being overweight doesn't put more stress on a human body and increase the chances of an injury?
Kingpodge
Years ago
That was in reply to: "Is his heart still an issue? Raptors flashback."
Learn to read.
This guy should've been a superstar. But his eight hindered him. "Enabler" comment was spot on, some people get too attached to their club and players. Another victim of the blasé "she'll be right" attitude we have in this country.
Kingpodge learn to read. The question was is the heart still an issue? Obviously from your snarky response it isn't so thank you for answering that. Now let's move on...
Kingpodge
Years ago
huh? I never said being overweight doesn't increase the chances of injury. I was simply saying that none of Jawai's previous injuries have been related to his weight. Did I stutter? I mean it's not that hard to understand.
Big units get injured regardless of their BMI, e.g. Matty Knight.
Snooch
Years ago
Work ethic is different to nutrition discipline. I don't question his want to be the best basketballer he can, reckon he loves the game, his club, teammates, coach etc. And reckon he does work hard on court and in the gym. But I do reckon he's let himself down with his inability to maintain a better playing weight. As you say podge it's the times when you can't work that as a pro sportsman you need the most discipline - and it's in those times he hasn't been able to maintain it.
Still, hope the best for the guy - he's a genuinely good guy and a hell of a basketballer when he's on his game.
"I was simply saying that none of Jawai's previous injuries have been related to his weight. Did I stutter?"
We understood you. Just saying you're full of shit if you try and state that as fact.
Kingpodge
Years ago
hahaha sure. Just tell me how his concussion was weight related? Or his shoulder weight related? Or his 'heart' issue at the Raptors weight related?
Simple questions.
This medical advice comes from the same guy who can't admit that Adelaide were resting players when they played Cairns towards the end of last season.
Kingpodge
Years ago
So you're not going to answer the question then?
For someone in complete denial that Jawai's weight has never played any part in any of his injuries, what is the point? Lets just put it down to a freak thing, like Joey really trying to win a close game by playing his bench for an entire fourth quarter...freaky!
We get it podge, you have no idea about human composition. Stop arguing a losing battle and trying to bring up the non weight related injuries.
LoveBroker
Years ago
I don't think anyone is saying weight is not an issue, most likely it played a part in it.
However, lets give Nate some props, he did work in the offseason to shed quite a bit of weight and let's face it, for him its probably a constant WIP.
Comments to the effect of, cos he's fat, simplifies the issue too much.
Anyway, hopefully he can continue to keep up the regime during his rehab.
To the anons... name one instance where a Jawai injury has been weight related.
Go on, we'll wait...
Kenny Mayne
Years ago
Kingpodge is fast becoming the most excruciating poster on here.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=nerve+pain+and+weight+loss&rlz=1C1GGRV_enAU751AU751&oq=nerve&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59j0l4.3989j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Back injury from nerve pain.
KingPodge
Years ago
Kenny: fast becoming? I thought I was already there. Have i mentioned that I enjoy Homicide's work in the commentary team?
Anon - it wasn't a pinched nerve, but hey, you do you brother.
Yes, "fast becoming" since you're too slow at it. Mind moving things along?
KingPodge
Years ago
LoveBroker - interesting idea, he can still get buckets. would depend on what they need and Trig's QBL offseason fitness.
For now with Jerry still here as injury cover, he can fill that rotation gap along with Jackson. Now if jackson plays well enough to keep taking those minutes and MC comes back strong - a replacement might not be needed.
Jawai out for 12 weeks but he will get re-assessed by his doctor at 6 weeks, depending on Podge's availability.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
The anons are pathetic. Sorry about them, Podge
UseTaHoop
Years ago
Financially, it's not such a big blow for the Taipans as others have made it out to be. A lot of Nate's pay would be coming from the (Federal) government as an indigenous leader/ inspiration for the kids. NRL and AFL clubs also benefit from this.
Tough break for Nate though. I thought he was looking trimmer and playing well. He does need to have a bit of weight and power for his game style, so he would never be as good as a "lightweight Nate". He needs to get healthy and find a balance that works for him and his game.
I seem to recall coaching staff at Perth relating Jawai's weight to back pain when discussing his minutes and ability to travel for road games. Does this sound familiar? I can't recall the details.
I was the one who raised the issue of adjusting his game (sorry, can't be bothered logging in at work). I was just thinking in terms of load/stress on the body. Less weight provides less load, improved mobility and posture. Better conditioning improves resilience and recovery. These are pretty ordinary considerations.
Dome Rat
Years ago
Fearne has been the constant in Nate's success
Part of Nate’s deal in Perth was that he was assigned a personal trainer to keep him in playing shape. He got bigger as the season went on
He moves back to Cairns and drops 30kgs
Zodiac
Years ago
He moves back to Cairns and drops 30kgs
No he didn't he was still massive at Cairns last season it was only this season he decided to get serious. According to Tragardh he was 170 kg last season.
The figures just get more fanciful each time I hear them.
He was 140 when he signed with Perth, and then was 170 when he got to Cairns? Then dropped 18kgs in six minutes in Cairns, then another 12 (30 total) since he's been there?
He just snapped in half BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS WEIGHT!!
Zodiac
Years ago
KingPodge,
Please that was from Tragardh's own mouth and Jawai was still very overweight last season in Cairns. As I said during the game he was noticeably slimmer on Friday night than he was last season.
Freethrows
Years ago
My understanding is that Nate came into camp last season at 170kg, after playing in Perth. He dropped to 153kg for last season and his playing weight coming into this season was a shade under 140kg.
He certainly looks a lot slimmer than he did last year. I really hope he can keep it off and return after Christmas as fit and agile as he looked in game 1.
Freethrows
Years ago
With a little talk going around concerning Trigger, can I suggest Matt Burston might be a better option?
Ok, I will. Matt Burston might be a better option, if the 'Pans go for a temporary replacement. I doubt they will.
CT
Years ago
Matt Burston would've been be a great temporary replacement 18 months ago but I don't think he's played since he left the taipans. Racking my brains trying to think of a qbl player big and good enough to cover at nbl level but I'm struggling.
Kingpodge
Years ago
Agree CT, I don't think Matt has played much outside some masters in the past 12mths.
(Zodiac: i wasn't having a go at you mate, what Trigger would have meant was Nate came to into the season/pre season at 170. It's been reported in the media as such over the past 18 months. He was still well and truly carrying far too much kgs.)
One comment for every kilo Jawai has lost this week!
Another comment for every kilo he has gained since hurting his foot and laying into the pies
KingPodge
Years ago
jesus it's too early in the season for a 100 post thread....
Needs to get to 140 to match at least 1 of his weights during the pre season
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
Apparently Jawai was out jetskiing around Fitzroy Island on Friday. Clearly taking his rehab super seriously
Twinkletoes
Years ago
He hasn't had surgery yet. Having it this week.
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
One of those things that can't get worse until he has surgery?
Did we find out exactly what it was? Because the plantar fascia is a ligament.
Twinkletoes
Years ago
I only know what the Taipans have said. They seemed to be saying that it was a partial tear of a ligament rather than plantar fasciitis.
KingPodge
Years ago
Manu - TCP reported that they couldn't get a surgeon until this week.
It was a ligament further down the foot, rather than the heal but I don't know a peroneus brevis from an extensor hallucis longus.
Manu Fieldel
Years ago
I'm actually a surgeon so I could tell you the difference. But I don't want to. I don't want to give away trade secrets
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