Nice matchup for the TV game this week, between the league's two "small ball" teams. I'm hoping for some Lynxkrieg in this one. Certainly expecting a significant lift from last round's 54-63 tv game scoreline.
Can the Caps can maintain their hot start? A road trip to Townsville is probably the toughest game in the league this season. Back at home vs Melbourne not easy either, but definitely winnable.
The WNBL Show - Episode 2 (with Abby Bishop)
Basket Case - Episode 2 (with Jordan Hooper & Sami Whitcomb)
Canberra posted this on their Facebook page today:
"Dear all UC Capitals fans: Unfortunately we are unable to live stream our games this season. An exciting new broadcast partnership between the WNBL and Fox Sports in addition to us moving to our new home court in the city has placed a few limitations, in terms of what we can do outside of the broadcast agreement."
Looks like there won't be any live streaming this year.
The WNBL twitter account did reply to a tweet last weekend stating that clubs were allowed to stream and would be starting next week (i.e. this round). I guess it would be up to individual clubs though and their budgets to fund these streams. A shame that the Caps won't be doing their own stream this season, but I guess it is what it is.
This round looks like every game could be a thriller, so hopefully we see some all round great basketball after teams have ironed out their issues during the week.
From what I've heard, Foxtel owning the rights allows them to set the specifications for any streaming, and those specifications make it an even more expensive exercise for the clubs than it already was. So don't expect many (or any) to take them up on it.
Pretty disappointing after being able to see > half the games last season.
@ Waves2Lynx: "What's the minimum required? One camera at the halfway line is enough for most of us."
Wholeheartedly agree! I liked the original Rangers streams, with stadium sounds but without commentary noring away at me while I'm trying to enjoy the game.
NBL over, what a load of BS....you do realise the WNBL had a good viable broadcast every week with the ABC until cutbacks happened and they decided that the one women's sport that actually had a good following g was the one that needed cutting, meanwhile they kept all the boring men's sports even bloody darts...Great example of men looking after women lol
And most clubs had a great system of live streaming happening to cover the lack of actual TV coverage, NRA t it was reachingba huge audience at no cost at all, but it didn't help get sponsors unfortunately, big sponsors want actual,air time.......they did that without the help of any "mensleague"
Laura Hodges is likely out for the rest of the season with a broken finger. Just reading the article makes me think this is the end for Laura, if so such a sad way for a champion to leave the game. Hopefully she has a successful surgery.
Griffin had a personal commitment tonight but will be back for tomorrow's game vs the Lynx, while Gabe has a knee injury - so may not play tomorrow. Oliver was also under an injury cloud and has only played the 11 mins nearing the end of the third.
Cambage is up to 23 pts, 13 reb, 4 blk
Clearly for any team to attract sponsors they need to have live coverage of their games. This means each and every one, not just one a month or whatever it will work out to be in Pay TV.
So, it looks like once again the WMBL has a very poor arrangement in place unless there is some change or announcements about to happen?
^exactly right, I know if I was lured into being a sponsor by claims the league was now televised and with that information I would be expecting my brand to Rea him a much larger audience , to then find what I get is nothing like what I'm paying for, my sponsorship would not be so easily found the following year.
Sponsors don't just give their money away for something to do, they hope to get something in return
All well and good sticking a sponsors name on the back of a warm up top, but if it's never seen or announced what good is that.
Definitely agree, even when the league was not on television the clubs could at least stream games so sponsors could be seen by those at the game and those watching at home. IMO it's a big backwards step for those clubs only getting 2-3 foxtel games - especially if streams aren't going ahead. Could be wrong, but a photo I saw of Courtney Williams last game made it seem like the Lynx don't even have sponsors on their uniforms?
The fixture that has me the most perplexed is the round 9 one - Dandenong v Bendigo is the televised game while at the exact same time Adelaide plays Perth and Sydney plays Townsville. Two of the teams with the most televised games get the week's televised game while four of the teams who have the least games miss out.
I hope they decide to add the double header games at least to the television schedule. Does anyone know the ratings figures so far and/or how they stacked up against competing sports last weekend?
are Foxtel only filming in Victoria? if so it would explain why Melbourne, Dandenong and Bendigo get the bulk of the games, as it stands to reason the interstate teams all have to come to play three teams in Vic,TV
""FOX SPORTS will broadcast 23 games this season with every Saturday 3pm game, the Round 8 double-header and all Finals matches LIVE""
So Melbourne get 6 and Dandenong 5, Bendigo 4, two of Dandenongs games are not home games but still in Vic , at first I thought it might be because the other teams cant get that 3pm time slot for home games.But in saying that Rangers have a 5.30 and a 7.30 time slot so thats sort of kills that theory and round 8 sees two games in two states back to back time slots(obviously taking the men's games over for that weekend)so again squashes the 'Vic only'theory, it also shows they could show more than one womens game per week if they chose too. Only place they are not travelling too is Townsville, I wonder if thats because the league think Townsville are a shoe in for finals (right now they are probably on the money, they are certainly my pick)
this is the schedule-
2017/18 WNBL Season (All on FOX Sports 503 and all times listed in AEDT):
Round 1: Melbourne Boomers v Townsville Fire, Sat 7 Oct @ 3pm
Round 2: Bendigo Spirit v Perth Wildcats, Sat 14 Oct @ 3pm
Round 3: Dandenong Rangers v Townsville Fire, Sat 21 Oct @ 3pm
Round 4: Dandenong Rangers v Sydney Uni Flames, Sun 29 Oct @ 5.30pm
Round 5: UC Capitals v Sydney Uni Flames, Sat 4 Nov @ 3pm
Round 6: Sydney Uni Flames v Melbourne Boomers, Sat 11 Nov @ 3pm
Round 7: Melbourne Boomers v UC Capitals, Sat 18 Nov @ 3pm
Round 8: UC Capitals v Bendigo Spirit, Sat 25 Nov @ 5pm
Dandenong Rangers v Adelaide Lightning, Sat 25 Nov @7.30pm
Round 9: Bendigo Spirit v Dandenong Rangers, Sat 2 Dec @ 3pm
Round 10: Adelaide Lightning v Melbourne Boomers, Sat 9 Dec @ 3pm
Round 11: Sydney Uni Flames v Bendigo Spirit, Sat 16 Dec @ 3pm
Round 12: Perth Lynx v Melbourne Boomers, Sat 23 Dec @ 12pm
Round 13: Melbourne Boomers v Dandenong Rangers, Sat 30 Dec @ 3pm
We already went through this when the tv schedule first came out.
Yes, it is unbalanced. Yes, the teams far from Melbourne get less coverage. Yes, we only get one game per week. None of that is ideal.
But the fact is that the existing model of having nothing on tv and streaming games to the same 63 fans each weekend was not getting the league anywhere. The WNBL were desperate to get the product on tv, and they've done it.
As a fan (one of those 63 who tuned in whenever I could) it's unfortunate to see less action this season when the comp is such a high standard. But the big picture is the health of the league overall. That's more important right now than being able to watch Canberra's green-tinged stream, Adelaide's one that cut out regularly, or Melbourne's person sitting at court level with their phone camera with the ref in front of the action half the time.
If the TV thing doesn't pay off, then there's nothing stopping the league going back to amateur mode again. But if it does pay off then maybe we end up with more games in high quality, and we'll never know if they don't have a crack.
lol long live the memories of that yellow/green stream and the court side iPhone stream. Was a little surprised the Boomers didn't stream the Geelong game - last season iirc it was streamed by one of their sponsors on their website (I think it was CMS). I hope the league will get more exposure out of the Fox Sports coverage - they already have in my eyes, there are plenty of media outlets doing write ups and radio segments i.e SEN. Hopefully that will in time translate into improved crowds across the board and more televised games.
Not even Courtney Williams is going to be able to steal wins for Perth this seasons. No amount of offence can help if you give 40 points in a quarter. Sami Whitcomb looks like a shadow of herself. No off-season rest catching up with her I think.
We're in for a long season
Lock Perth Lynx in for wooden spoon as they are an insipid defensive team who is not interested at all in attempting to stop their opposition. Kunek, Standish & Thompson would struggle to defend a concrete garden gnome! It appears at times that Whitcomb, Williams & Kunek are in a competition to see who can take the most ill advised shots 3 seconds into their offensive set. Long, long, long year for the Perth Lynx!
Pretty good performance from the Lynx, shots just didn't fall as planned. Nice to see a good offensive rebound count, and nice to see some moments of brilliance. Once the shots drop more consistently you'll find Perth climb up to finish number 1.
"If the TV thing doesn't pay off, then there's nothing stopping the league going back to amateur mode again. But if it does pay off then maybe we end up with more games in high quality, and we'll never know if they don't have a crack."
Luuuc, how does having one game per week on Foxtel suddenly make the league professional, & if not on TV, the league is suddenly in amateur mode?
Other than Foxtel, name one thing that has changed or improved this season from last season? For mine, the only difference is we can watch a game per week on Fox & we no longer get to watch 2-4 streams per week.
Luuuc, how does having one game per week on Foxtel suddenly make the league professional, & if not on TV, the league is suddenly in amateur mode?You seriously don't see how Fox Sports is a professional broadcaster and one bloke with a video camera at half court isn't?
Perth are in trouble.
Need a complete overhaul.
I don't see Williams, dowe, standish, Kunek, ciabbitoni returning or the coach.
I only see Whitcomb, farnworth and backup big Burton coming back.
Fejo the only legit DP with no other local talent that's wnbl DP calibre.
Well, picturing games just like that one is exactly why I posted "Hate to say it but I wouldn't be shocked if we ended up 8th" on the eve of the season. Even if Whitcomb & Williams are on fire (which they obviously weren't today anyway), 2 players can't win games on their own.
When things don't gel for this team, it really gets ugly in a hurry. Especially if we lose the plot on offence in addition to looking completely clueless on D.
The Spirit shooting in the 2nd half was awesome, even taking into account what was defending it.
Perth are doing exactly what I had said they would , too many me players not enough we players
Whitcomb is fine so long as she's running the show, Williams the same , all they want to do is shoot for themselves, add Kunek into that mix who's penchant for " it's all about me" style of playing is what got her benched at Boomers (and really with Molloy as coach that's quite a feat) and is a long long looooong season ahead lol
What else has changed this year? The standard of the league has certainly gone up with the influx of players.
Perth are paying the price for dithering on signings during the off-season and turning up now with a weak roster. Still don't know how they're allowed only 9 contracted players. They can still improve though, and mor games together can only help with improving continuity. Season is a long way from over.
KR, you once again show how you can miss every single point posted on this forum:
"You seriously don't see how Fox Sports is a professional broadcaster and one bloke with a video camera at half court isn't?"
Yes - Fox is a professional broadcaster but how is the league more or less professional because of that? That is, name one thing outside of broadcast that makes the league more professional now than what it was before? That was the question, KR.
And the question to Luuux, and you now given you have interjected is, how does the league suddenly become more professional - or less professional - just because there is a TV partner? Name one thing that has improved other than the acquisition of Fox Sports? Has the admin approved? Marketing? Promotion? Etc etc
Agghhh KR, you never cease to disappoint. Luuuc insists that the league is professional because it has a broadcaster and not professional if it does not have a broadcaster. That logic is inane if the only variable that has changed is the acquisition of a TV broadcaster. It is akin to you being considered a moron, but if we put a bow tie on you, you are not a moron. So for the final time, how does the league becaome professional or not professional other than Fox Sports?
"But the fact is that the existing model of having nothing on tv and streaming games to the same 63 fans each weekend was not getting the league anywhere. The WNBL were desperate to get the product on tv, and they've done it. As a fan (one of those 63 who tuned in whenever I could) it's unfortunate to see less action this season when the comp is such a high standard. But the big picture is the health of the league overall."
He's talking about the health of the league not the broadcast!
What I was trying to say is that the league felt that current course was a path to guaranteed mediocrity/failure. So, the logical thing to do is try something different. Clubs rely on sponsorship to stay afloat, and the best way to improve your sponsorship is to deliver sponsors more value - i.e. getting their names in front of more eyes.
I'm a fan of the league. My first priority is being able to see as many of my team's games as I can, and my second priority is being able to see as many of the other games as I can. But not just for 1 season, for years to come. So if the league thinks that they're on a path that's more likely to lead to prosperity, then personally I'm cool with accepting that and giving it a chance even if it means seeing fewer games for now. Even if it means listening to Lauren Jackson instead of the commentators from Adelaide, Bendigo, Dandenong, Canberra & Perth from last season who knew the league and its players.
So I'm talking about both the quality of the broadcast and the health of the league, because for a modest league like the WNBL, those two things are very much related.
In Sally I trust at the moment, because she's the first person in many years who has gone in there with a genuine passion and matching work ethic, and tried to turn things around.
At last night's game, the Flames were running a full 'trial' streaming in association with FOX and in accordance with FOXs requirements. One of these requirements is having the cameras and commentary position on the same side as the officials benches. Sally was there, a senior Fox rep was there sitting with her to see the game. After the cabling issues are ironed out I think we can assume that every game at Bryden's Stadium will be streamed and available via FOXs website.
"Boomers to announce a player signing during the week?
Adding to there already stacked team or a player who has re signed ??"
Don't be surprised if this announcement is about 2018/19 & not this season. The Boomers have a habit of doing this sort of thing.
Yeah i reckon it's a contract extension announcement, they've already got O'Hea, Purcell, Grant and Conti signed on for next season. Though in saying that I wouldn't be surprised if Garrick and/or Cole headed off to try Europe next season and can't really see Cambage coming back.
Would LOVE that move, but seems a bit odd pretty much putting the writing on the wall for one of their guards so early on in the season. I didn't think they'd be able to retain Cole, Smart, Conti and Garrick on top of O'Hea this season, and I highly doubt they could retain all four with Madgen added to that list of guards.
Anyone got thoughts on today's match?
I'm finding it really tough to pick a winner. Leaning towards Melbourne, but Canberra being at home pulls it almost back to 50/50 for me. (As much as 6 hours in an airport is annoying, they still got home at a reasonable hour, so I doubt that will factor much into things unless they mentally choose to let it)
That's great news re. the Sydney streaming. I really hope it works out for them.
Sydney's bench were my reason for putting them outside of my pre-season top 4 predictions. Certainly will be interesting to see how they go as the season progresses - I doubt they can throw 35+ mins per game at Ebzery, Snell and Wilson every game. Their starters are excellent, but they don't look to have a viable plan B should any injuries arise.
Watching the Bendigo Perth game .... sorry but can fox or WNBL or even Boomers not get someone to help Jackson with her appearance, I know she's a new mum but seriously it doesn't take much to look tidy
This week was a bit better than last week where she looked like she had dragged her too out of the washing basket still creased and her hair looked like it had not seen a brush let alone a hairdresser in years
This week she looks to have at least made a minor effort but come on , they are trying to get a more professional image, and the upgraded baglady look just isn't going to cut it,
Quite impressed by Melbourne, I thought it'd be a hell of a lot closer than it ended up - I thought the Caps would win to be honest. They seemed to do a good job of shutting down Hooper and Wehrung, and limited Hurst's impact. Great to see Ezi top scoring for the Caps with 11 pts as well.
Boomers did not have to,contend with Richards and Griffith, so don't think the result was a fare evaluation, though Canberra was a surprise, would like to be able to see just how that game panned out to bring about that result.
Without Liz Boomers would struggle like before, when she's not on the crt they look the same as last season.
Agree though I think LJ could smarten up her appearance for national TV , just remember how The others always looked sharp when they did the WNBL commentary on the ABC , hopefully she will get the hang of it as the weeks progress ,irscall new to her right now
Seeing sporadic patches of individual talent can be entertaining, but it doesn't do much for my hopes of winning games when it's surrounded by so much ordinary play.
Someone said it above ... that the Lynx looked like they were playing as individuals. I get that that can happen when you're trying to dig your way out of a hole, but it also needs to stop.
Not that I'm losing all hope 2 rounds in. There are some quality players on this roster. But the mix we've got is going to be constantly dealing with mismatches this season, and we have to figure out how to exploit any advantages we have. Because so far, other teams are having no problems at all exploiting the ones they've got.
"I like what I saw from the Lynx, they showed great patches of form, so when they get a home game, this weekend, then watch out."
I didn't see any patches what so ever, might have been a good pass or drive to the basket a couple of times, but I don't think they actually ran one offence, it was all just. "I've got the ball so I'm shooting it" to hell with passing.
It should not matter what crt they play on, they still should be able to get it together, think it's going to be a very long season for the Lynx
Hopefully that figure conceded will drop once the team gels a bit better - or goes to a plan B.
For those mentioning it last week, it looks like the WNBL have listened to our complaints over the stats page - they're now sortable by each category. Though in saying that I'm not completely sold on their accuracy as there is a 'N.Beaumont' who I'm assuming is actually Katie Rae Ebzery with the lone game stats of 40 mins & 14 pts which align with her game this round. Sami Whitcomb also has a clone according to the stats page.
The League is to be congratulated for it's advanced approach in regard to cloning. But should teams now be restricted in their use of cloned players? Is it already time for a cloning cap? For example, each team could be allowed one cloned player and one 'in development' each season.
N. Beaumont's name will hopefully be a real identity in the League's stats, in years to come.
I have been waiting for Anonymous to comment on Perth's win over Bendigo last Thursday. When Perth plays some defence they will win more games. As far as Kunek leave Melbourne, its amazing more players didn't leave.
How does a coach get an extension on his contract with a loosing record!!!!!!!!!!!
Last season he lost the team at least 5 games with his subbing.
He should have been sacked when at a press interview he said " this team practicing loosing "
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