Anonymous
Years ago

David Ingham leaves BSA?

David Ingham leaves BSA?? Surely this is not a side gig? BSA what's going on?https://www.facebook.com/PrinceAlfredCollege/posts/1598439553554435

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

No he's not leaving BSA, and yes it is a side gig.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If you read the article it clearly talks about his current roles within basketball,

this job would not be fulltime

watch the school now target kids form other schools to bolster their basketball program.

scholarships will be thrown around

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Remember when he tried to backstab Scott Fisher for the head coach role at the Wildcats? #memories

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confused  
Years ago

How can he possibly attend School practice sessions when they will conflict with NITP sessions?

How can he be out over seeing country programs when he will also need to be back in the city for after school practice sessions for his 'other job'?

How can he coach in the Saturday school competition when it will conflict with State practice sessions?

We were all told that BSA would provide the clubs with a liaison coach and after VIcki Valk left, it never happened!

And now not only do we have this, but again there are 5 Sturt coaches running State teams as Head Coaches!

People wonder why clubs are concerned with BSA, so much so that they are looking at leaving the competition. The competition generates the revenue that pays for this and other positions, and now us members of clubs will see even less value for money.

So confused...so disappointed.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Exciting move. Well done David and PAC.

Trinity have done it so well and hopefully more schools make a smart investment into turning their basketball programs into high performance environments.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

Confused, he won't be attending school practices when they conflict with NITP. His job as I understand it is to recruit coaches, identify players for basketball scholarships and oversee the implementation of the middle and senior school basketball programs.

PAC weren't thrilled with the direction of their basketball program and have decided to make it a priority. I don't know if they headhunted David, but due to his obvious connections with SA's elite programs they would have made him a good offer for very little time commitment.

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

603 basically hit the nail on the head.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He'd just about be the longest serving person in the office wouldn't he?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Playmaker Mo! That sounds like a fairly full on role with all that you have explained! Hard to see Ingham do all that and it not conflict with his BSA role, not to mention the SAC part of his role is to travel to country areas.
Seems like he's taking BSA and SAC for a ride and BSA/SAC have no one to blame but themselves!!!
With no CEO on board I wonder if Ingham even got permission to do the role!!

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Big Ads  
Years ago

Did you get the Uber and not the rose?

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

632 with his torch and pitchfork at the ready. It really isn't a full-on role...

Of all the things to be shitty with BSA over, this one is pretty lame.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Huge conflict of interest. If BSA allow this they have no governance credibility!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I'm not particularly excited about it as now with his connections he will probably be able to offer scholarships and steal kids from my program.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

David doesn't go to the country, he hates SA Country! They are the biggest waste of time going around. Good on him for getting a side gig.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

If SA didn't have the worst junior High Performance program in the country in both metro and country areas they certainly soon will!!
No one can seriously sit here and say this appointment has no conflict of interest and the HP and state programs won't suffer!
Ingham already doesn't give a stuff about country and looks like he feels the same about metro!
This new job would have to be around at least 10-15 hours per week and if you think there's no on court coaching role associated with it your kidding yourself play maker mo!!
Again no leadership shown by either BSA or SAC to stop it!

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

lol

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Ball  
Years ago

His son is moving there next year

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Thought the same thing about conflict of interest, he's supposed to be impartial for god's sake. I wonder if a PAC kid is in the running for any nitp gig they get it because of him instead of another kid. Just lining his own pockets while he can, should never be allowed. Either he's independent, or supposedly so, or quits and coaches school and club teams. Once again bsa have shown how much of a joke they are. Doesn't matter if he's overseeing program, he's going to be biased. But seems like he can do whatever they want without repercussions, but question is how does it change, not a club thing and do schools have a say in running of bsa, Dirty Dave strikes again.

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Barry  
Years ago

What pathetic negative comments, David Ingham has been a breath of fresh air in both metro and country programs. He is passionate about improving basketball in this state and this move will see more Colleges do the same and raise the bar for basketball across Adelaide.
Remove the anonymity from this site and prevent uneducated and ill informed comments.

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Barry  
Years ago

What pathetic negative comments, David Ingham has been a breath of fresh air in both metro and country programs. He is passionate about improving basketball in this state and this move will see more Colleges do the same and raise the bar for basketball across Adelaide.
Remove the anonymity from this site and prevent uneducated and ill informed comments.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This could well be the best move for the development basketball in SA we have seen. When you understand how competitive the private school system is you can see schools across the state ramping up their basketball programs to compete and throw in scholarships for ballers both country and metro , great work David Ingham and PAC

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Like last years 16 state team being posted online in high performance bsa site before 16 trials had finished. Lends to suspicion from those with open minds and eyes ! Yes schools improving their programs is good but a state appointed body to oversee the running of a sport should and must be impartial and have no conflict of interest. It is imperative regardless of what you think of any of its staf, right or wrong that integrity is maintained. It is not personal, it is about governance and good practice to protect those the association serves and those employed by the association. If you are in corporate business and management you would understand this. Perhaps the appropriate givernement minister needs to be made aware.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How does early team selection release be suspicious, more like a clerical error , think about how many trials and trainings the kids had already had and what is relevance ?
Suggesting that this is a conflict of interest is a stretch at best and BSA could very easily clarify what DI can or can't do in this role , as happens in the corporate world !
Given the unrest and potential restructuring in basketball in Adelaide , if I was David Ingham I would be looking for a new job anyway .

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Anonymous  
Years ago

It's like a politician taking a job whilst serving at a company that's linked with their portfolio. Even just the discussion on this forum has people divided, Ingham has gone for the money. Even in my government job I have to declare if I get a second weekend job in case in conflicts with my main one. The main culprit here is bsa for allowing it, should demand his immediate resignation from either position. And this crap about competitiveness in private schools, yes, but they don't go reaching for basically the guy that ticks off who in high development.

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Ben  
Years ago

#1855 you are the pathetic uneducated individual. Ingham has never been to Country areas during his appointment. He runs NITP in the metropolitan area with a small portion of the elite classed country kids.
He shows no interest in the country program whatsoever

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SamCro  
Years ago

Absolutely Zero interest in SA Country Basketball, Mr Ingham.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Try getting some facts Samcro and Ben before making bullshit statements. Ingham is and has been heavily involved with SAC since his appointment, he doesn't turn up at local Dnsp because that's not his role . He was recently at Millicent and Barossa Develoment camps and he will and always has attended trials , Albury country cup , Southern Cross and Nationals where he is always heavily involved with SAC coaches and athletes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Must have been kids in Millicent looking to go to pac

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Regardless of what he doesn't do in his role as state hp manager it is very unusual to also take on a side coaching gig at a private school! But bsa is in the toilet big time and sac are a nothing anyway so I suppose good on him for making some extra bucks.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How much do you think he's getting???

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He would be on around 10-15k from the school side gig easily!!
And that wouldn't include individual coaching sessions that would be cash jobs!!

I would like to know if SAC are aware of this venture by Ingham as he will have no time to do any country visits now!!! With a 'supposedly' full time gig with BSA/SAC as well as this new 'side gig' he must be a busy man!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

That's hilarious, as if Ingham would do any individuals for cash - what a joke . You might want to check his job description for all jobs before you comment . You have no clue.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

To clarify any misinformation. Job description

http://websites.sportstg.com/get_file.cgi?id=2648495

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Before this post most would have said "as if he would take a private school gig"
That job description doesn't say he can't do paid individuals. Picked a good time to get job without CEO to report to. Hopefully things are transparent and kids suddenly don't get scholarships handed around

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The scholarships have already started! If you are employed by the peak body it is simply a terrible decision by David to tarnish his brand like this. Sadly BSA have quite the history of poor governance. New CEO should make him choose if the board don't understand what a conflict looks like.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Positives here far outweigh negatives, just imagine a private school actually focusing on basketball and actually attracting ballers to the school , good on you Ingham finally doing something positive for basketball in this state , Maybe he can make school basketball a serious product with fully timed games etc.
While the clubs argue with BSA over money and power at least he is getting on and doing something for the sport.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

This is nothing more than a money grab. He should be ashamed of himself. He's been taking the piss ever since he got here and this just adds to it.

He’s in this for himself, not the kids. At least Gliddon was in it for the right reasons.

He is not helping these kids get better. He needs to step away or BSA need to make a change. Basketball in this country settles for ineptness and I’m the real world a lot of people employed in basketball would be out of work.

Time to move into the real world and put the right people in the right roles.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You must be reading a different forum if you think the positives outweigh the negatives!

Seems pretty clear cut to me that the majority think this is a clear case of conflict of interest and a simple case of Ingham filling his pockets with some side gig cash!

Don't get me wrong good on him for doing it who wouldn't say no to an extra 10-15k for a side gig they can do in what would be considered their normal job working hours!

My problem is the lack of leadership from the organisations that actually pay his normal job wage BSA/SACountry as they now have one of their highest paid employees getting extra income for doing a job that will severely restrict his ability to do on his 'normal job' to full effect!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

There are many other schools with excellent basketball programs that great coaches from many district clubs assist with all over the state with existing students. Sacred Heart, Trinity and public schools as well like Unley, and then Henley has their specialist program, to mention a few. As far as a first in the state, there is already a scholarship program specifically for Basketball down south as well at a private school so this is nothing new and just a trend. The issue is who should run those programs and conflict of interest with the state selector and if he is able to meet all performance measures and outcomes if there is any for his current role. With no CEO there is no accountability and perhaps a new job description should be created specifically dealing with all these issues and providing clarification. Given a Son is also involved there is another layer to consider but not suggesting he does not deserve his position, but the integrity of the program should be considered.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

You have just revealed how incredibly irrelevant your opinion is when you believe that a majority of opinions on a social media blog actually have any relevance or factual basis. You quite simply have no clue if ingham has cleared this with his employers or how much he is getting paid or how much of his time it will take but that's ok , just guess or make it up what suits your argument .

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hurry up and appoint a competent CEO that can work with clubs and clean shit like this up, can already see this appearing on today tonight. Making a mockery of basketball in this state.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

He tried to backstab head coach Scott Fisher at the Wildcats when he was an assistant in Perth. Tried to lead a player revolt which failed so got sacked mid season! Dude is sneaky. Beware.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Country must be all for it as their president was one of the first to congratulate him on FB?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hmmm I wonder where the SAC Presidents kid goes to school??

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Anon  
Years ago

In all my dealings with David i have been impressed.

I have seen no issue with conflicting schedules and he has a keen eye for talent. His development of coaches for NITP southern cross etc, has been great.

Stop whining.

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Io70  
Years ago

For those wondering if there is a conflict of interest here, PAC's current line up for Open A basketball includes 9 players. Of those, 8 are in the NITP program. Of those I think only 2 were originally at PAC before Ingham arrived...

Now, if the number of normal PAC kids getting in to the NITP increases....

A lot of questions should be asked here.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Ahhh good old David Ingham, drama always surrounds this guy whether he is in the NBL or now involved with juniors.

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Anon  
Years ago

Wait until you see his son's name on a few lists. If you feel like it, go and watch him play a game too.

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Paddlepop  
Years ago

To be fair he has played well at times but is inconsistent and the pressure is great. Unfortunately the sense of entitlement doesn't sit welll with teammates nor does the constant preferential treatment in a team environment. Attitude is an issue too and lack of common social graces have been observed by others and that exacerbates the overall perception of the situation on top of the playing. Use the position to set an example not abuse it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Weren't aware players under the age of 18 were allowed to be discussed?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

To be fair what has the progression of the athletes that moved into this program been like? I'm aware of a whole bunch of national squad members, auscamp, state level players moving across to PAC.

Under Ingham's guidance have they improved under his closer guidance within high-level programs (EG: state and national teams) or have they gone backward compared with their peers?

The true test of this concept is the success in developing players to compete in the elite levels of the sport. If that has happened under the High-Performance Mgr here then it is probably somewhat a success, you could say, and also a massive tick on his player and talent development capabilities.

If these players have not progressed within the pathways, with all the access to facilities, and ability to commit time and resources to their development then there would need to be questions of competence when it comes to player and talent development of the HPM that had also taken on this role.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yea for basketball development and talent production it looks like BSA and those kids that joined the program were sold another lemon.

At least PAC wins intercol.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The elite program itself is very good. The number of volunteer coaches involved can only applauded. The fact that the number of kids that have gone to higher levels is disproportionate to the success of state teams - mainly the girls, is the bigger mystery. I don't think we have much influence at BA when it comes to selecting female athletes for COE, ADC’s and national teams. Some very good players have missed out where some less deserving boys have at least made a camp. Don’t know who can give the reason why, but it would be interesting to know.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think that the PAC concept was sold as high performance athletes having access to better facilities and coaches in the daily environment, yet the program appears to be a black hole for these athletes whilst their peers are passing them by at an alarming rate.

It was meant to be for the good of basketball and athlete development.

Why are the athletes that moved to the PAC program and even good players that were already there going backwards compared to their peers.

Maybe the whole rationale behind this relationship has been proven wrong with a clear ineptness to develop and produce talent. The concept may have been an oustanding one and should be producing results in elite player development but unfortunately in this instance it appears to have fallen down in that regards.

I'm sure the kids getting cheap fees in an elite educational institution and PAC who are now winning intercol are happy. But these kids aint gonna be basketballers, were sold a dud in that regards.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And it is not reflection on any of the team coaches. They are all doing a great job and do a great job in all areas. PAC teams are winning and PAC is successful in school sport. I'm sure PAC is happy.

That is not the basis that this program was sold to the basketball community though. It was supposed to be developing talent, with access to better player development coaches in the daily environment, better athletic development, not having multiple programs pulling at athletes time and teaching different things etc. The concept should be a great one but it has clearly fallen over somewhere.

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Barry  
Years ago

There are only 3 metro players who have moved to PAC, so I'm not sure what the debate is about and 2 of those are in the Nationals team this year with the 3rd being a reserve. Hard to comment that any kid is going backwards in that program, great facilities and for those who know a highly devoted staff member who is putting in a lot of work promoting the basketball program, hopefully other schools will do the same and keep improving basketball in this state.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Barry, there are few measures of progress.

Country players moved in who had done AusCamps and played in FIBA classificatin tournaments. Have they progressed at a rate faster than their peers?

Maybe checkout a Friday night game, scoring is a good indicator on a Friday night too. Also where certain kids were at levels in the pathway are a good assessment.

Selection errors are often made but sooner or later the kids will overcome that if they are getting good development at their local level (school and club).

Looking at the PAC player list it is beginning to look like wreck of dreams, over promises and underdelivery at the elite level.

The basis this idea was sold to the basketball community and the BSA board was that this was good for elite player development. Clearly it's failing.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sad thing is it had potential. But it is now something that will be looked at as an example of a failure. The ideal of:

"hopefully other schools will do the same and keep improving basketball in this state. "

Is unlikely to occur because this whole thing has been so poorly executed yet again, with none of the High Performance goals achieved.

PAC is winning intercol though.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Barry,

Zero players in the 23 man Emu's squad.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I think that is seperate issue Anon. But feel free to start another thread on that.

I think the issue here is that what was sold to the BSA board and basketball community is not eventuating. This whole thing was supposed to develop high performance atheltes and basketball in South Australia. The idea is good but the execution and outcomes are poor.

It is pretty easy to get a feel on the progress of players relative to their peers. I think BSA should be tracking this closely to see if promised outcomes have been delivered or not, or if this is yet just another cluster f&*&k.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

PAC only won intercol by the skin of their teeth, the tension from their coaches would have been palpable.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yea that might raise some question for PAC. The coaches in the program are outstanding it is more an issue of holistic player/athlete development IMHO and promises made in that area.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Any development program will take time, this is just well communicated trolling.
Take it up with BSA

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They do take time that is true. Good programs will build on progression, and conintual improvement.

This program has obviously gotten off to really poor start in terms of high performance promises made. Where there are early failures the failures tend to manifest themselves too. Maybe the next crop of recruits will have it better.

BSA don't want to deal with any of it. Barely keeping above water, which is part of the problem here, too focussed on survival right now and not high performance program or athletes.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I Guess this thread was only 2 years too early.

By the sounds of things, this has been a fait accompli with Him waiting for a new position interstate to become available.

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Perthworld  
Years ago

Correct.

He did a dodgy in Perth many moons ago.

Now this in Adelaide.

Where to next?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Looks like Knox will be getting what they deserve.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not yet. There is still another 4 weeks to go.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And no NITP for the next month in SA..

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