Anonymous
Last year

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Cairns broke???

Well this is unbelievable. With a budget in excess of $3mill. it appears this snippet in an another article looks like Cairns have no money.
"Meanwhile, Loeliger conceded it was "certainly not ideal" for NBL clubs to rely on handouts to replenish their roster with injury replacements. The Cairns Taipans required financial assistance from a local fitness blogger to bring Jerry Evans Jr. back as a replacement for the second time, covering for Michael Carrera, while another local business helped fund Chris Patton's short-term contract."
The NBL has gone on yet another spending spree that means the smaller clubs like Cairns will get left behind. Illawarra next?

Full article here.
http://www.cairnspost.com.au/nbl-eyes-switchup-during-fiba-international-breaks/news-story/7014c1bfc2abf78ea8af5dea6a8f34b2

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Anonymous
Last year
21:43 29 Nov 17

Reply #659646

re: Cairns broke???

i throught mel and syd with the new salary cap would pay for cairns team salary


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Anonymous
Last year
21:47 29 Nov 17

Reply #659648

re: Cairns broke???

Don't blame the NBL because your club doesn't have the backing it should to be in the competition. Built into the season budget should be an allowance by all clubs to cover injuries and if none eventuate (highly unlikely) during the season then the clubs can invest that money how they see fit.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:48 29 Nov 17

Reply #659649

re: Cairns broke???

It's called 'living within their means'.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:50 29 Nov 17

Reply #659650

re: Cairns broke???

The Salary Equalisation Scheme or whatever the hell it's called would have gone a long way to solving this, if a cent had actually been paid to the clubs that stayed under the 'cap.


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Anonymous
Last year
21:51 29 Nov 17

Reply #659651

re: Cairns broke???

Local fitness blogger? You mean its Podge telling everyone how much weight Jawai has magically lost?


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Baller#3
Last year
21:58 29 Nov 17

Reply #659654

re: Cairns broke???

No australian league can survive with out the bigger teams propping up the smaller teams. Hell even the afl does it


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Dome Rat
Last year
22:05 29 Nov 17

Reply #659656

re: Cairns broke???

Big difference between being broke and asking for supporters to sponsor or help out.

Isn't this what sponsorship is for?


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D2.0
Last year
22:22 29 Nov 17

Reply #659659

re: Cairns broke???

Cairns is a country town with a fraction of the population and economy of even Adelaide, never mind Sydney or Melbourne. It also doesn't have owners who are independently filthy rich.

If you want to see a league of 4 teams, them by all means lets keep going the way we are.

The Tax raised from teams exceeding the notional cap was promised to go to assist the smaller teams, and that obviously hasn't happened.


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Anonymous
Last year
22:27 29 Nov 17

Reply #659660

re: Cairns broke???

Not at all. Sponsorship is about sponsoring game night, players, promotions what ever. Funding salaries IMO never.
Maybe the NBL should have distributed their "luxury tax" bullshit promises to avoid this situation.
If you have to go the the general public to get $$$$'s fr a players salary you are broke.
Perhaps they should try crowd funding? ;)


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Freethrows
Last year
22:27 29 Nov 17

Reply #659661

re: Cairns broke???

Check out the difference in population between the cities that host NBL teams.
Sydney: 4.5 million
Melbourne: 4.3 million
Brisbane: 2.2 million
Perth: 2 million
Auckland: 1.4 million
Adelaide: 1.3 million
Wollongong: 290,000
Cairns: 150,000

Have a think about the relative sizes of those economies, and ask yourself whether or not it's fair to think that teams like the Hawks, and especially the Taipans, might struggle to find sponsorship dollars to pay for those pesky little extra expenses, like paying for two extra team members for large portions of the season.

If the league is at all serious about maintaining some level of diversity, as well as a decent volume of clubs in solid basketball cities, it damn well needs to be financially supporting its minnows.

The fact that the "luxury tax" never eventuated is a clear pointer that this is not the case, and Kestelman is only interested in making money from the league, so as he introduces more large market teams, the smaller teams will get squeezed out.

You bet your sweet ass I'm pissed off.


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Zodiac
Last year
22:58 29 Nov 17

Reply #659663

re: Cairns broke???

There is a big difference between being broke and sponsors paying for some players. That has been going on since year dot.

However, it doesn't excuse the fact the NBL was meant to be implementing a luxury tax so teams taking the piss like Melbourne & Sydney would in part help teams like Cairns carry on.

It's probably the only thing LK has gotten seriously wrong really.


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Dome Rat
Last year
22:58 29 Nov 17

Reply #659664

re: Cairns broke???

Hang on

You do realise that all sponsorship goes towards costs of which the pay roll is the biggest cost for an NBL team


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koberulz
Last year
23:01 29 Nov 17

Reply #659665

re: Cairns broke???

Not at all. Sponsorship is about sponsoring game night, players, promotions what ever. Funding salaries IMO never.
Do you understand what sponsorship is?

The Tax raised from teams exceeding the notional cap was promised to go to assist the smaller teams
I don't believe it was. All that was said was that the teams would be taxed, nothing was said about what happened to the money after the NBL got their hands on it.


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Anonymous
Last year
23:38 29 Nov 17

Reply #659666

re: Cairns broke???

With you Freethrows and until we have transparency trust and integrity of the league and it's owners will be and should be called in to question. It is now about entertainment and profit and not the sport. Oh and for the refs benefit of course.


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LoveBroker
Last year
00:43 30 Nov 17

Reply #659668

re: Cairns broke???

The luxury tax and equalisation payments should NEVER have been relied on as primary income for small teams.

It would should have been treated as a bonus.

Don't blame the lack of the luxury tax payments, blame Cairns front office.


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LoveBroker
Last year
00:55 30 Nov 17

Reply #659669

re: Cairns broke???

@Freethrows

"Check out the difference in population between the cities that host NBL teams.
Cairns: 150,000"

Please do not use Cairns population as an excuse, its embarassing. When Cairns applied for their NBL licence they would have had to justify their application by producing figures like :

- Projected income from Sponsors.
- Projected income from Memberships.
- Projected income from Ticket Sales.
- Other projected income.

All the above were done when the population was in that ball park.

If they are indeed struggling as suggested, then they either lied about their projections, or they are grossly incompetent.

You can't make the case either that the fans aren't going because the Taipans aren't successful, they made the playoffs after finishing second last season (ahead of Sydney and Melbourne).

"You bet your sweet ass I'm pissed off."

I hope you are pissed off at the Cairns front office, because they are responsible for this situation. Why are they not spending within their means?

I hope you are pissed off at the Cairns population, why aren't they filling the stadium in support of the Taipans?

If you want to say its because the product is shit, then thats also acceptable, but that too falls on the front office.



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Anonymous
Last year
01:02 30 Nov 17

Reply #659670

re: Cairns broke???

Maybe Cairns did receive the tax payments and spent it elsewhere?


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paul
Last year
05:45 30 Nov 17

Reply #659675

re: Cairns broke???

"Not at all. Sponsorship is about sponsoring game night, players, promotions what ever. Funding salaries IMO never."

The Taipans started running a sponsorship campaign called something like "spend the cap" years ago where sponsors would come on board directly to contribute to their player spend. This is not a new thing for them.


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proud
Last year
06:23 30 Nov 17

Reply #659678

re: Cairns broke???

It was indeed mentioned when LK took over about taxing those that overspend and given to the smaller clubs and then reiterated before he changed it from a hard cap to a soft cap.

In a post earlier this year about Hobart Chargers making plans to join the league and said that they would spend $3m a year on expenses which is more than the $2m that Cairns are spending.

I'm blaming supporters for not turning up as pre LK era the club was making a profit or breaking even and the change in the cap and enforcing every club spends atleast $1m on players is also what's made the biggest difference.

Fascinated by what comes of this


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Anonymous
Last year
07:36 30 Nov 17

Reply #659683

re: Cairns broke???

LK doesn't want regional teams. They don't rate on TV and add no commercial value to sponsorships. The costs of broadcasting TV games is also larger due to the lack of local resources.

The costs of TV was why the Crocs where allowed to die beyond the underwriting needed to back stop losses.

People need to realise that NBL teams like AFL and NRL rarely make money let alone break even. If they do profit its because of other business interests like pubs or commercial property.

Cairns being run economically shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. What is a surprise is Jeremy's comments about it. Port Adelaide has a sponsorship drive where they try to have people leave PAFC money in their will!

Does it really matter where the money comes from as long as it is sourced and used to benefit the team, thats what should be happening I thought.


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Thunder Jam
Last year
07:58 30 Nov 17

Reply #659685

re: Cairns broke???

Broke my A$$
Two guys have been injured and a local sponsor has chipped in to help fund a couple of extra guys.
So What!
As for LK and his mystery payments to clubs staying under the cap........Nothing but lies and should he be held accountable,that's if we are allowed to question the Golden Goose!


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Anonymous
Last year
08:36 30 Nov 17

Reply #659686

re: Cairns broke???

No, you're not allowed to question the "golden goose". He was the guy, when no one else stepped up, put his personal money into the game we love. Cairns wouldn’t have a league to play in if it wasn’t for LK. Maybe Cairns needs to look at whether running a QBL team is beneficial also, as that wouldn’t be cheap.


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Greybuoy
Last year
09:11 30 Nov 17

Reply #659689

re: Cairns broke???

N. Sobey had his NBL start with Cairns, funded by a tourism business couple (who, of course, hoped he would return the favour by staying on!).
Current players have acknowledged sponsors.
Keeps the idea of Community in this (tightly audited) community-based team.


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Anonymous
Last year
13:57 30 Nov 17

Reply #659713

re: Cairns broke???

Cairns spent all their money on a thug, they should suffer for it!


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Wilson Sting
Last year
13:59 30 Nov 17

Reply #659714

re: Cairns broke???

As a couple of people have pointed out, there is no funding crisis in Cairns, just an injury one. As they are about the only team to stick to their budget, there is no avenue to blow money to replace injured or poorly performing players. So when it happens individual sponsors step in. In the case of Evans Jr, the sponsors approached the Taipans after the Carrera injury to see what they could do to help out, not the other way around. If there was no additional sponsor money coming in Taipans would simply stick to their budget and run some of the development or local players to cover.


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Anonymous
Last year
14:19 30 Nov 17

Reply #659715

re: Cairns broke???

Wilson Sting nailed it. In point of fact, this is actually a good news story given it shows the great connection the Taipans have to the Cairns community and how much that community and its businesses want to help the club. I very much doubt the same thing could be said for the Kings, as a notable example (in terms of community connection).


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LoveBroker
Last year
14:43 30 Nov 17

Reply #659719

re: Cairns broke???

@Wilson Sting.

"As they are about the only team to stick to their budget, there is no avenue to blow money to replace injured or poorly performing players."

That is incorrect.

The Taipans fired Fuquan Edwin at the second half of last season to bring in Tony Mitchell. On the assumption that import contracts are the same, he would likely have been paid out as he exited.


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Anonymous
Last year
15:29 30 Nov 17

Reply #659725

re: Cairns broke???

There wouldn't be an import in Nbl history that has had a contract paid out in full

It just doesn’t work that way


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Anonymous
Last year
18:34 30 Nov 17

Reply #659750

re: Cairns broke???

Here is $x. There is the door. If you don't like it, sue us...


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Anonymous
Last year
21:47 30 Nov 17

Reply #659794

re: Cairns broke???

Regarding sponsorship, would be curious to know how much $$ the teams receive from the leagues HJ's sponsorship. Taipans and Hawks lost major sponsors in Maccas and I haven’t seen a Subway 'so you think you can play’ video on the Taipans Facebook page this season which I can only assume they lost Subway as a sponsor too...


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Freethrows
Last year
22:22 30 Nov 17

Reply #659798

re: Cairns broke???

Lovebroker, you're usually someone whose posts are good. You're wrong in this topic.

1. When Cairns came into the league, we had a corporate backer. When he pulled out, it lead to the club being run under a community model. Also, that was a process which started 20 years ago. A lot has changed in the Cairns economy since then.

Koberulz, the league initially promised that monies from the luxury tax would go to teams that weren't spending to the cap. March 17, 2016, I think. Perhaps they haven't distributed any money because all teams spent to the cap? We'll never know, because they never formed the review committee they promised, and certainly never released any information about club spending, let alone player salaries or perceived salaries, and the penalties/tax that were supposed to go with them.

I'm willing to bet that if Kestelman is successful at bringing three new teams into the comp, the Taipans and/or the Hawks will fold within a year.


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D2
Last year
02:08 1 Dec 17

Reply #659814

re: Cairns broke???

Kestleman got complete control of the NBL on the back of jis promises to spend millions. Amongst those promises was supporting tje poorer teams, and funding a centralised shared services. I can see no evidence of money being spent on those particular promises.

Next he convinced the cashed up teams to spend big, on the basis of their taxes going to the poorer teams.
So if those taxes were paid, where has the money gone?
Back into his coffers?


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skull
Last year
07:07 1 Dec 17

Reply #659827

re: Cairns broke???

The future NBL will travel no further north then Brisbane....


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Dome Rat
Last year
07:09 1 Dec 17

Reply #659828

re: Cairns broke???

Under BA Cairns was the best model, under LK it's the worst


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skull
Last year
07:17 1 Dec 17

Reply #659829

re: Cairns broke???

Yep, pro sports buddy....no money, no play !!


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Anonymous
Last year
07:46 1 Dec 17

Reply #659831

re: Cairns broke???

Yes LK bringing in his mate (HJ's) to the detriment of everyone else's fast food deals.


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Reality
Last year
10:19 1 Dec 17

Reply #659841

re: Cairns broke???

We all know the NBL want out of cairns once they get 2 more frnachises up and going. NZ then Hawks will be next on the block.

NZ bring even less commercial value to the table than Hawks and the current NZ owners see the writing on the wall!


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Anonymous
Last year
15:25 1 Dec 17

Reply #659901

re: Cairns broke???

Did the O'Brien's ever recover or did they go under?


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Isaac
Last year
15:39 1 Dec 17

Reply #659905

re: Cairns broke???

I'm willing to bet that if Kestelman is successful at bringing three new teams into the comp, the Taipans and/or the Hawks will fold within a year.
Wouldn't surprise me at all.


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Anonymous
Last year
16:39 1 Dec 17

Reply #659913

re: Cairns broke???

Its been quite impressive how Cairns have managed to battle to the record they have at the moment with all things considered. No Jawaii, Carerra and Smith hasn't really been playing all that dominantly yet. Yet they sit with a 5-7 record. All things considered not a bad result. It wouldn't shock me if they end up swapping out Smith for a more scoring PG.


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Freethrows
Last year
17:32 1 Dec 17

Reply #659922

re: Cairns broke???

Anon #901... John O'Brien is still in* the car business:
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiIguzknujXAhVEy7wKHa0HAjEQFggtMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cairnspost.com.au%2Fnews%2Fquestions-raised-as-new-cairns-car-dealership-slams-on-the-brakes%2Fnews-story%2Fd285a6c5a20c869553727ce3e9e307dd&usg=AOvVaw1ENKmwVp9ISiTFZMxMrYL6

His empire never recovered to what it was in the early 2000s.


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