Isaac
Two years ago

United vs 36ers, Dec 22

No Creek or Prather makes for a bit of balance at SF, though Adelaide are also without Drmic and the Adelaide Adnam, Doyle.

United are favourites but I'd like to think that with three imports, DJ and Sobey, Adelaide have enough options to potentially sneak a win. They are 0-3 against Melbourne so far though.

Any predictions?

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Big Ads  
Two years ago

Melbourne to romp home.

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Hogwash  
Two years ago

Without Prather going to be hard for Melbourne, Adelaide to win

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Has potential to be a great contest, so it will probably be a blow to one side or the other. Melbourne by one maybe.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

I'm not confident even without Prather for them we're still down three guys and Prather is overkill on that roster. I wouldn't be surprised if Melb end up a better team down the stretch now with less cooks in the kitchen.
Then you factor in our 0-3 record against them this season, two of which were floggings.

In Adelaide yeah maybe but in Melb I've got to pick them.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Oh no Doyle is missing? i'm changing my tip.

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Jack Toft  
Two years ago

United have to be the most under-achieving team in the league (apart from Sydney)

They have been swimming in the lukewarm inflatable pool of ordinariness with their floaties all season. Just doing enough to be dangerous, not enough to be taken seriously. Prather's absence will be missed and is definitely an opportunity for someone to step up.

Sixers definitely need to get a win to get some credibility. 0-4 against United going into finals is not a great look if they want to be taken seriously, or else be seen as the wingman of the league, eh. You know the guys who are always there for the ride, but really never quite get the girl. A great opportunity for the bench to lift.

It's in Melbourne so look for a handsome red headed fella called Squizzy who could possibly be on the Sixers bench. If you are at the game and see him, buy him a beer, he's a nice guy, even if he is a Tigers supporter.

This is the best time for a Sixers win

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hurts Adelaide to be without Drmic, but on the other hand it helps them to be without Doyle. But I still like United in this one.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

United by 69

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Majoc is also out.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Hurts Adelaide to be without Drmic, but on the other hand it helps them to be without Doyle. But I still like United in this one.


And what about Creek?

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Hope the announcement of the new import comes at the game tomorrow. Love that idea, like Adelaide did for Childress

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"United have to be the most under-achieving team in the league (apart from Sydney)"

Can a team that missed the playoffs last year and is now in 3rd really be that much of an underachiever? Below expectations, but expectations from fans aren't usually all that accurate, are they?

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Udog  
Two years ago

$$$ maybe the most overpaid team then?

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Isaac  
Two years ago

Melbourne have one win more than Brisbane and Cairns, each projected to miss the playoffs. Given what they've spent on their roster, I think it's fair to put them in the under-achieving basket so far, even if they might fare better from here.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

One less win for Cairns but they've played 2 more games than Melbourne.

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Bear  
Two years ago

I hope both teams get out there and really take it on, could be a classic encounter, maybe leaning towards United by 5 points though...

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Sorry if it's been asked. But anyone know how long Majok is out for?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Melbourne have one win more than Brisbane and Cairns, each projected to miss the playoffs."

I think you're actually highlighting the point there. Cairns, who are 7-9, might be projected to miss playoffs, but they've made them two of last three years.

Underachieving or overachieving shouldn't be based on fans' pre-season predictions because they are woeful at best.

At 8-6 Melbourne might be slightly underachieving, but it's hard to argue they should be more than the third best team at this stage, particularly with a new coach still feeling his way, given the history of New Zealand and Perth.

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Camel 31  
Two years ago

anderson and barlow stucka few daggers in against us ...
need 20 from moore and 20 from childress to win this...

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

United posted on their Facebook that there's an announcement at tip-off. Can't see it being anything but the import.

Can. Noot. Wait.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Lasan Kromah coming back?

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Camel 31  
Two years ago

joey _ ' depth is the key ' ......

i think we only got 7 players this game..

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Carrick Felix confirmed

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Anyone having problems watching the live stream? Mine's not working

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

same, was just about to post here. no chrome or safari

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Mine says network error

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AussiePride  
Two years ago

Shorter looking good early but Adelaide need Chill, Sobey and Johnson to fire as well.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Hodgson is practically useless these days.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

What is wrong the NBL TV useless crap i pay for

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AussiePride  
Two years ago

Hodgson has got to be the most disappointing player in the NBL. He looks like he could dominate at times but it is just not going to happen. Fortunately Humphries looks like he will be the Aus big of the future.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Boone 9 rebounds in 8min ?!?

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Tickle me Cosby  
Two years ago

Mine also not working. Is it working for some people here? Tried Chrome, explorer and firefox and also app on phone and all are not working for me.

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AussiePride  
Two years ago

Goulding looking good early! Uh Oh!

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Luuuc  
Two years ago

@NBL

We're currently working on the issues with NBL TV and are looking to resolve them ASAP. We apologise for the inconvenience #ADEatMEL #NBL18

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Ayjay  
Two years ago

NBL TV network connection temporarily lost.

Hope it gets found soon!

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AussiePride  
Two years ago

Adelaide lucky to be within 6 after the first quarter!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

NBL TV once again locking us out.... Time to get rid of this provider
and get a serious contender. Amateur hour again..

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Yinka Dare  
Two years ago

I'll be expecting a discount on my 5 dollars. This is pathetic

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Hodgson not looking good since his Lemanis stint.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

I almost feel embarrassed for Hodgson.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Wesley just schooled Childress & Hodgson

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

That was a Wesley and-one. And he gets 2 foul shots on the other side of the timeout?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The feed is fine on bet365 and the nbl app on my android mobile. No good on my win10 pc.

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Now Moore injured unreal

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LoveBroker  
Two years ago

Would it be an idea to start Deng and have Hodgson off the bench?

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Hogwash  
Two years ago

Hodgson is better than Ben Allen ..... Just.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Homicide is an idiot.

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Joshuapending  
Two years ago

What is Moore's injury?

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Yinka Dare  
Two years ago

Can't see anything as nbl tv still down

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Ankle by Moore. The 36ers are struggling so bad they had Mitch Creek taping him up

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Melbourne Boy  
Two years ago

At 5:30 in the second quarter Wesley hit a shot and got fouled for the and one (where he rolled his ankle), making the United score 35, timeout called, after the timeout he came out and had 2 shots, missing the first and making the second taking the score to 36, that was a mistake, hope 36ers don't loose by 1!

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Melbourne Boy  
Two years ago

Play by play only shows 1 ft made btw

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AussiePride  
Two years ago

Caspar Ware has been a complete non factor in this!

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Man these refs right now are shithouse!

Not to take away from the Goulding quality

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Ayjay  
Two years ago

3 point land

Melb 11/24
Adel 1/11

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AussiePride  
Two years ago

Yes. Adelaide cannot win unless they make some threes from here on in.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Moller IS the second coming of jesus

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AussiePride  
Two years ago

Do Sportsbet pay out on the moral victory in this one from Adelaide?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

So with them shooting 1/11 so far how is that possible?

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fuckhomicide  
Two years ago

Man these commentators couldnt be strokin melbourne or goulding harder, apparently theres no other crowd like melbournes and gouldings been back for a couple weeks...oh and apparently goulding is mr automatic, FG% of 37% is not Mr Automatic, homocide needs to shut the fuck up

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Ayjay  
Two years ago

Melbourne own the Refs

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Brunson  
Two years ago

Apparently you get a tech foul for saying you got hit on the arm these days.

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Udog  
Two years ago

You also get a foul for a clean steal.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

NO you get a tech for doing that stupid arm thing which isn't polite. He's a dick.

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Brunson  
Two years ago

Here come the make up calls

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Pls shoosh Greer

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

anthony hudson is such a flog, needs to stick to AFL

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

homocide talking about himself once again and not the game, what does villanueva have to do with nbl?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

That stupid arm thing, what a foul? Are the refs scared of not getting another gig if they don't look after the league owners team????

Would also b nice if we could hit a shot from outside the keyway

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

What a farce

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AngusH  
Two years ago

Wow. Awful call on Sobey.

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Yinka Dare  
Two years ago

These refs have again destroyed a good game

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Spot Up  
Two years ago

Plot lost...

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AngusH  
Two years ago

I just love these unsportsmanlike calls. Really improving the quality of these close basketball games. /sarcasm

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Udog  
Two years ago

Referee circus yet again

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AussiePride  
Two years ago

As I said. Moral Victory for Adelaide.

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GrannyPanties  
Two years ago

That young ref is an absolute flog .

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Brunson  
Two years ago

Who is this young idiot ref? I think he wants to stand out with crap so he can win ref of the year the same way Alyen has done for many years

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cheating pricks. Absolute disgrace. Nestle man thinks he has a world class league and then will do nothing about this bullshit

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The refs in this league are embarrassing. So, so precious.

What a disgrace. This league.

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Spot Up  
Two years ago

Moral victories are worth sweet f all. Shoot better than 28% in the first half and you would have won too.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

refs bailed melbourne out all bloody game, and proved it at the end. absolutely ridiculous. very poor refereeing.

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Brunson  
Two years ago

At least Goulding is honest about the refs.

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

Goulding said it. A lot of people frustrated in this league.

A world class product of full-time employees being let down by a bunch of people on causal. Are you F***ing kidding me

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If that LV guy talks about the refine he need to STFU since no team gets away with it the United

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Vickerman should've put the foot on the throat when he had the chance, needed more of Barlow and Moller in the three, Childress cut loose when they weren't on.

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Udog  
Two years ago

Oh dear.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

That young ref thinks the game is all about him. Loves himself sick. Has never made an error in his eyes. He also has a habit of screwing south Australian teams.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Adelaide fans need to look in the mirror. Team lost the game themselves not the refs

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"At least Goulding is honest about the refs."

He flopped and got penalised, then complained. Shouldn't that have been a tech on the bench at that point?

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Yinka Dare  
Two years ago

Don't go for either team but Adelaide got totally screwed tonight. Absolutely pathetic reffing tonight that killed off what could have been a classic game. Can see why Joey would be angry

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Udog  
Two years ago

I'm so disappointed with this finish. Could have been a good one. This needs sorting out big time. What a disgrace.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Pretty telling comment from Goulding there.

"Theres a lot of people frustrated at this league".

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Zodiac  
Two years ago

Not a good look Joey going after Goulding but the NBL nned to do something drastically about the refs this is really starting to get out of hand now.

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John Fairs  
Two years ago

I have been flicking between the cricket, is Ramone Moore injured? COmmentator said he was a spectator now, he only played 15 minutes. ?????

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Brunson  
Two years ago

"At least Goulding is honest about the refs."

"He flopped and got penalised, then complained. Shouldn't that have been a tech on the bench at that point?"

Was nothing to do about his flop but rather his interview after.

His flop call was nothing but a make up call when it looked like the game was over

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Loco  
Two years ago

Bald ref - what's his full name please?

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AngusH  
Two years ago

The bald one is Tweedledee. Or was it Tweedledum? I can't remember.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Adelaide were never in it till Vickerman invited them back. Would've been unjust had Melbourne got beaten. The refs were crap both ways.

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Udog  
Two years ago

Homicide saying the refs took the game away from Adelaide. No shit they did.

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Ayjay  
Two years ago

Referees might have earned a production bonus tonight
There is doubt in my mind as to whether they are being paid to be fair or flogs.

If foul calling had been consistent at both ends Melbourne's 21 fouls would have been more like 40.

Great comeback attempt from Sixers but the damage once AGAIN was done with Joey's disrespect for including an effective outside game in our offense.

From 3 point land
Melbourne 15/44 @ 44%
Sixers 4/18 @ 22%

I think 3 of those threes came in the last couple of minutes.

For all the controversy over the ability of the referees the buck has to stop with Joey and the great big hole he leaves in our offensive game.

Disappointed again and unless that imbalance is sorted we will not beat the better teams.

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Brunson  
Two years ago

You are right Ayjay how dare Wright shoot 4/18 from 3.....

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Isaac  
Two years ago

Didn't see the first half, so can't speak of their 3P strategy, but late in the third and then fourth, it seemed that Adelaide were pressing the advantage of Childress over the United benchie each time, and getting some high percentage buckets in close.

Sobey air-balled a couple, and they were missing Creek and Drmic.

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Perth Wilburs  
Two years ago

That ending was close to a corrupt game I've ever seen.

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SM  
Two years ago

What a farce. The referring needs fixing asap. 36ers partially to blame through. DJ and Shorter: Don't gesture, swear or abuse refs when you disagree with calls. They should always be techs IMO.

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ChairmanOfTheBored  
Two years ago

The refs didn't win the game for Melbourne, they just denied Adelaide any chance of pinching it.

You've got to wonder what needs to happen to prompt change? I'm almost certain that every NBL identity I follow on Twitter, except for the official NBL account, made mention of the poor refereeing in tonights game. When current players from all teams, former players, former coaches all with a stake or interest in the league think the refs are bullshit then maybe someone at the NBL needs to do something about that. That's two games in a round where suspect referee work at the death has resulted in the outcome of the game. A professional league would probably put out a statement and review the decisions in those games to appease the fans and stakeholders but that's clearly a lot to ask.

Getting teched for demonstrating that you got hit on the arm is almost as ridiculous as getting called flopping for falling over your own feet.

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Udog  
Two years ago

Time for import refs I think

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ChairmanOfTheBored  
Two years ago

Does anyone have a take on Joey's exchange with Goulding at the end? My money would be on him saying something like "tell them you're happy to win a game that way". I don't much like Goulding on the basketball court, but he always carries himself well off it and his post game interview was no exception.

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Big Ads  
Two years ago

Loco, Chris Reid

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Perth Wilburs  
Two years ago

Where did Keys grabbed the player? He went for the ball. That ref is the worst ever and should be sacked.

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John Fairs  
Two years ago

Sorry is Moore injured? Traded him in my fantasy side and scores 5 points and only 15 minutes.

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ChairmanOfTheBored  
Two years ago

John Fairs; A bit proppy on an ankle after coming down on it in the first half.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Strange I thought Michael Aylen lived in SA now. Shame the SA fans don't know that. I thought they were so knowledgeable

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Cram  
Two years ago

went to the game (first in several years). With calls like that I think it'll be a few morw years before I bother again. Based on history that should mean United will be out of the league by then too. Fingers crossed!

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cavolo  
Two years ago

Yes anon, Michael Aylen does live in SA but somehow I don't think where a ref lives leads them to be influenced in their calls? My take was that he was the best of the three tonight. Chris Reid baffles me week in and week out no matter what game he refs, he is usually responsible for absolute howlers and confusing, inconsistent calles. The young ref, Jon Chapman appears to call what he thinks he sees and likes to get in the way of the game flow and common sense. Very frustrating for fans a like. I find myself each game commenting on how ordinary so many calls are for both teams and I can see why the players and coaches are getting more and more frustrated given that they are impacted so much more than us fans.

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FM  
Two years ago

Feel for the game. Absolutely Sobey hit it on the head, you don't make bullshit calls with 50 seconds to go.

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Ayjay  
Two years ago

@ Brunson
"You are right Ayjay how dare Wright shoot 4/18 from 3"

Joey is the coach and responsible for what happens at training and it is as plain as a wart on a withes nose that there needs to be some serious shooting practice from range.

Sixers shoot most of their points in the paint and they are excellent at doing that but they too frequently give up open outside shots through lack of confidence and drive into traffic to make much harder baskets.

The more our one faceted offense drives into congestion the more opposition contract their zone defense and with referees putting the whistle away we just continue to drive into turnovers.

Create a better outside scoring game and driving into the paint will be much more open as their defense has to reach and spread further out.

101 Brunson

Back to basics.


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AngusH  
Two years ago

You don't practice shooting at training after under 14s, you practice in your own spare time.

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FM  
Two years ago

No phantom call on Sobey and the follow on BS afterwards and Joeys game plan works. Our best percentage 3 Pt shooter and our best 3 Pt shooter are sitting on the bench injured.

You take Casper and Goulding out of that side and see how well they go.
4-0 won't save Melb at the end of the year when it’s 4-2

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The refs weren't one sided, if they were they wouldn't have called Goulding for flopping and the terrible over and back call. It was horrible both ways - but Adelaide kept complaining which cost them in the end.

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GrannyPanties  
Two years ago

Fair Call Anon , the refs were terrible both ways .
And the Sixers did whinge way too hard , especially DJ.

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XY  
Two years ago

I am a one eyed, biased, rose-coloured glasses 36ers fan.

In 25 years of following the game closely I cannot recall ever seeing a worst refereed game of basketball with more pathetically ridiculous calls.

What the f is with calling an unsportsmanlike in the last minute against a guy trying to put the offensive player to the line. Please provide footage of any similar refereeing call Abyssinia the world ever for comparison sake.

Seriously, the umpires have been terrible for ages but this game has me questioning a 25 year commitment to this league and this team. It's just not worth it.

LK fix up the umpiring or you have lost yet another fan. I will stick to watching NBA highlights.

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XY  
Two years ago

My reference to Abyssinia is obviously deliberate because the standard of refereeing there is significantly superior to the NBL

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Have been a Utd member for years but still didn't leave feeling good about what I saw for either team. I won't be renewing my membership more so for the lack of professionalism and sincerity in the league and its management. Absolute farce.

I also wonder how this kind of refereeing influences imports to reconsider their options at the end of a contract.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Childress got 12 of his 18 in the laser quarter. Melbourne should've won this easy, there defence fell away in the last quarter. Adelaide should never been it, yes the refs were shit but they didn't cost Adelaide the game.

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Isaac  
Two years ago

What a farce. The referring needs fixing asap. 36ers partially to blame through. DJ and Shorter: Don't gesture, swear or abuse refs when you disagree with calls. They should always be techs IMO.
They were in it despite DJ's. The Sobey offensive foul and then Teys USF cost them the fightback, and the Childress and Shorter techs after that were probably inconsequential.

Melbourne were in the box seat obviously, but it would've been nice to see the final minute played out without six straight free throws resulting from the USF and two techs.

What could've been a classic buzzer-beater or denial is instead fans talking about walking away. A number of Melbourne fans and ex-players on Twitter were not overly impressed by those calls!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

kind of funny reading the comments all over social media about the reffing because I didn't watch the game, and one of the big reasons for that is the reffing.

A few weeks ago I would have tuned in but this time I went with the cricket. The last few seasons and this year in particular I've tried supporting the league as much as I can. I've tried watching lots of games as a neutral fan when possible, but the reffing really does bring everything down and make it extremely frustrating to watch and/or make it turn into a snore fest with all the fouls and you lose interest. I've found myself not tuning in much the last few weeks unless my team is playing.

I don't expect refs to make perfect calls all the time, errors here and there are expected. But I'm sick of constantly inconsistent refs missing obvious calls, calling absolutely shockers, either calling everything and making it a snore fest or calling nothing, and constantly changing the way the game is called every 5min. All I want from the refs is to not make huge errors and to have games called consistently.

The league really needs to get their s*** together over this because its really starting to undo all the good work they've done to build things back up the last few years. Soon they'll struggle to gain new fans, start losing current ones and potentially losing players.

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Udog  
Two years ago

I think the common consensus is not that Adelaide should have won but that the ability to either win or have a close finish was removed by the officiating. Horrible end to what should have been a close game.

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Udog  
Two years ago

It seems that United must not miss the finals again.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Aylen should have been told to pull his head in the day after giving Joey a tech just for asking for one.

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FM  
Two years ago

This was a great learning point for up and coming referees. The correct call is not always the RIGHT call. When the game melts down and you are throwing Techs all over the place to professional players that is your management error.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Joey Wright said he's never been involved with anything like that before, which is what he says every game that he blames the refs for his team losing.

Childress should have been T’d up during the last quarter when he drove on Goulding and missed a lay up, then started swinging his elbow in the tussle for the ball.

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Udog  
Two years ago

They aren't learning. They're getting worse.

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Aussiebballer  
Two years ago

Considering how they played in the first 3 quarters Adelaide were lucky to get as close as they did. The refs did cost them a chance at winning but it was still looking like a very small chance.

Having said that if the NBL does have some close connections with true NBA now as LK and other NBL management have said. I think they should organise a retired NBA red to come in and do a full review of thebNBL referees.
Review the whole process, games, the level of teaching, if the should be full-time.
They need someone from the outside with no existing views or agenda to do a thorough review and sort this out. It is getting embarrassing and must be fixed to move the league forward.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Yeah because the NBA refs never make mistakes. Thats why they are about to sit down with the players union to try and sort out their on court issues because the tension is getting out of control.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The correct call is always the right call wether it's in the first minutes or the last. If Adelaide would stop arguing and just concentrate on playing they would be much better off. The best side by far won the game.

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cat  
Two years ago

believe me I'm never one to defend umpires...but

those intentional/unsportsmanlike fouls called late in the game are in line with recent FIBA rule changes.

Gone are the days of just grabbing a player to send them to the line. If you DON'T make a definite play of the ball it's to the line and maintain possession from the sideline.

The Sixers know the new ruling, they just played dumb down the stretch and still bitched and moaned.

read the rules...

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/21837148/nba-referee-association-players-union-discuss-growing-court-tensions

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snooch  
Two years ago

He made a play at the ball.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

A man with a white stick would've made a better play at the ball, opsm should check your eyes.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

He did a good ole euro foul. Reach out and kill the play. Under new rules it is a criteria 3 unsportsmanlike foul, unnecessary contact in transition.

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Anon2  
Two years ago

Why is the UF so controversial? It was exactly the same action that has been called as an UF the entire season. Granted it is a new rule that many people aren't aware of but it has nothing to do with "playing" the ball - the term is unnecessary contact! Teys was beat on the cross over and pushed his arm across the body of the player to stop the clock. Its a part of the game that has been removed now, which is not the fault of any party to the game.

The game was still winnable for Adelaide despite the UF until Shorter and Childress demonstrated their utter contempt and were penalised accordingly.

It's not often the commentators on games are supportive of the refs but even they commented on the call being 100% right.

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Dome Rat  
Two years ago

Teys made a play at the ball

He didn't grab or push Hooley therefore it’s not a USF

I get the rule is there to stop the hugging that used to go on to stop the clock, that isn’t what happened

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

When trying to intentionally foul, it's probably best to try and draw a charge rather than using your arms

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PlaymakerMo  
Two years ago

The USF on Teys was arguably correct, but then why was Shorter called for a common foul when he committed an identical foul on the very next possession?

A: the refs make it up as they go along. Hence Sobey picked up the offensive foul late-game that had no business being called in the context of that game, Goulding picked up a flopping tech when he was legitimately bowled over, and DJ picked up a tech for... what, exactly?

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Rulebook  
Two years ago

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/1387-2/

I found this online. Suggest watching the video from 10:30 and having a look at 13:00 min mark (The foul on 9w). The answe is here.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The Tees play was a foul, thats how they called it all season.

Tees should of run with him, he was beaten and then tried to stop the player with a hard foul that will always be called intentional

As a game we want to see more fast break dunks and layups so the new FIBA rule I think should see that happen. All of the NBL players complaining on twitter should be fined and learn that the game needs to change for the better of the visual spectacle. No more seeing heaps of fouls in a close game at the end where there is really clock stopping as the main goal. How nice is that to watch ?

Adelaide only themselves to blame, and immature coach cant see it and shouldn't be getting into this stuff.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Like Goulding? Then you get called for a flop (despite contact), resulting in a six point play that opened the door for Adelaide. Amazing how this is being ignored.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

@Manu re: attempting to take a charge..

Like Goulding? Then you get called for a flop (despite contact), resulting in a six point play that opened the door for Adelaide. Amazing how this is being ignored.

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Dome Rat  
Two years ago

Where was the 6 point play?

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Manu Fieldel  
Two years ago

It's simply a matter of Fiba having enough brains to write in a 'late-game' exemption to the unsportsmanlike foul rule.

Either that or NBL thinks outside the box and doesn't officiate the Fiba rule

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BVL  
Two years ago

Is anyone talking about Hogdson's poor play?

For someone with high hopes this year, he was an absolute non-factor last night.

The fact that he cannot spin to his right in the post is his most glaring down fall.

Is he prepared to work hard on his game to devolved a right baby hook (like what Brandt has with Perth).

On a side note, they said Chris Anstey was his mentor, not a great choice for his game as Anstey was a perimeter player.

Although he plays for Adelaide I would like to see him develop for the Boomers and not just rest on his laurels.

Thoughts...

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Melb were the better team all night against an undermanned Sixers outfit. Refs just made sure Adelaide couldn't steal the game. I’m surprised Shannon Shorter didn’t flip last night. He got screwed over all game by that young ref it was laughable.
Hope Sixers meet United in the playoffs, should be a great series regardless of the 4-0 lead United have.

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snooch  
Two years ago

Having just watched the replay:

The tech on Goulding for flopping - wrong.
The offensive foul on Sobey - wrong.
The unsportsmanlike on Teys - questionable - could be argued he was making a play at the ball but can actually live with it being unsportsmanlike.
The tech on Childress - couldn't see but would say over-reaction.
The common foul on Shorter - wrong (it was less a play on the ball than Teys)
The tech on Shorter - wrong.

The reffing in that last minute was, at best, laughable.

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Dome Rat  
Two years ago

I also just watched the replay. You can hear the telling statement from ref on the Teys call

Teys - I played the ball

Ref - no, you grabbed him

He clearly didn't grab Hooley at all

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The refs fucked that game, and it was the same ref making all the calls.

You don't call an unsportsmanlike foul with 13 secs, he needs to understand the part of the game, adelaide needed to foul cause they were down 2. its a shit call.

CASE CLOSED

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Learn the new rules sir

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Camel 31  
Two years ago

So , I read majok was out , but he played a good game with hodgson doing a weigh .
sixers development players trying to guard ware ... not a pretty sight...

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snooch  
Two years ago

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/basketball/current-and-former-nbl-players-slam-referees-after-controversial-call-in-melbourne-united-win-over-adelaide/news-story/ea5912e0fb0c46f59aab35f79100843c

NBL head of referees Scott Butler weighed in on the unsportsmanlike foul against Teys.

"It's actually correct, it’s 100 per cent correct and it can’t be anything else but that," Butler said.

Butler, who reviews every NBL game, said the referees did a “solid job”.

“You’re always going to get those really high pressure, bang, bang, decisions where it all happens at once ... and you need the slow-mo to be 100 per cent the call was right,” Butler said.

“By and large the guys did a solid job on what was actually a difficult game to referee.”

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PlaymakerMo  
Two years ago

Well said, Snooch.

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Dome Rat  
Two years ago

The only way it is correct is if the ref deemed Teys may no play at the ball, which by what he said to Teys is what he determined. The fact that he was wrong should see the ref concerned suspended

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Teys play was guaranteed to result in a foul, regardless of whether he managed to get to the ball or not. He was out of position, reaching across the player who was running past his lunge. All players know what will happen from that play. It was intentional. It's not a legitimate play at the ball. Teys chose to foul instead of allowing a fast break layup. It is the correct call.

The rule is changed to encourage players and coaches to make legitimate plays. Players have to make professional choices. Teys was just plain beat on the play, and committed a bone head foul.

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GrannyPanties  
Two years ago

The NBL need the Umpires to clean up their attitudes as much as the shitty officiating . They are arrogant clueless little power merchants . The game is Unwatchable at present .

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snooch  
Two years ago

Teys was just plain beat on the play, and committed a bone head foul.

Nobody is arguing it wasn't a foul. Of course he was trying to foul. The fact it was called an unsportsmanlike when it could be argued he was making a play at the ball is what is up for debate. That and the 2 techs and a couple of other bad calls before that.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

And when you read the rule snooch the ref is correct and the rule book says you cant abuse the ref. Get over it, Adelaide players stepped over the line and they got penalised accordingly. Even if the refs were wrong, there is nothing in the rules that says if the ref makes an error you can abuse them

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snooch  
Two years ago

Give it a rest. No one abused the refs. Certainly not Shorter.

Why should we just "get over it"? We're the paying public and if we're not happy with the product because it's being ruined by poor officiating then we are entitled to call it out. The officiating was abysmal in the final minute, there's no other conclusion that can be drawn.

Perhaps the refs should look back at how the refs of days gone by handled situations like that. Guaranteed it would have been a hell of a lot better than that.

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FM  
Two years ago

A lot of people don't understand there is no longer a professional foul. If you are trying to foul and your intent is to foul, then that is unsportsmanlike. The intent of the game is to put the ball into the basket and try and stop the other team putting the ball in your basket. No where in the intent of the game was it conceived that people would intentionally foul, gee we played 50 years with an intentional foul rule.

I thought Teys had a clear play at the ball during the crossover and intent was to get the ball and not foul. He seemed pissed he fouled in the first place. Then couldn’t believe he got an unsportsmanlike. Shorter intent was only to foul, therefore should have been called as such. The Sixers would not have benefited from an early foul strategy hence you didn’t see anyone yelling to foul either.

Scott Butler was a flat referee, he always played second fiddle to Aylen and Mildenhall in the international arena. The direction and confusion which is this season comes from him. Noted Aylen kept a low profile and wasn’t clearly a visable part of the last minute.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If anyone thinks Butler was second fiddle to anyone then you absolutely have no clue. Regardless of NBL rankings FIBA always had Butler to men and Aylen to women.

Teys didn't get crossed over, Hooley stayed with the left hand and did an on-side dribble. Teys just chose to throw an arm.

But you are correct, Aylen was not involved in the last 20 seconds of accountability despite an earlier poster saying he should have been told after the Joey ejection to pull his head in. Quite funny really

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Udog  
Two years ago

I've never seen such a reaction to the refs as this. Even Homicide after the game and NBL players from other teams on twitter saying "they were confused by what they had just watched"(obviously being polite and avoiding fines). It looked to be a close finish but we got screwed.

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Udog  
Two years ago

By "we" I mean all the fans watching not just 6ers

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Qean  
Two years ago

The sooner refs understand it is an emotional game the better. Players and coaches are playing for the future. Suck the whistle rather than blow it too quickly. The good refs like Mildenhall etc were able to talk to players which built rapport. Today's refs can't help themselves. You can bet a bad call which is challenged will always lead to a tech. Time refs were stood down for being too precious until they realise the game is not about their ego

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Udog  
Two years ago

Lots of past players and coaches getting on social media to vent about the refs the last few days. According to the game review all the calls were fine though. Get you're heads out of you arses NBL!

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UseTaHoop  
Two years ago

Qean

Agreed. Communication skills are definitely needed at all levels of refereeing. Players and coaches also need to be able to communicate. This needs to be facilitated by the league.

IMHO, the standard of refereeing can't be fixed quickly, but the communication issues could be at least partially dealt with through better planning before the season begins. Get the refs together with the coaches pre-season. The NBL need to decide what style of game they’re trying to encourage and communicate this clearly before the season starts. Then in-season, provide all coaches with a legitimate forum to air their grievances appropriately and keep it "in house". People are less likely to be emotional once they’ve had time and are away from the heat of the moment. Refs might be more prepared to acknowledge, “Yeah, not my best call” in a more appropriate environment. Review post-season. Tweak for following season.

As it stands, it’s a bad look for a league that wants to grow.

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Udog  
Two years ago

How many times do you hear a coach post game say their is no point contacting the league with an issue because they know they won't respond. Definitely communication problems.

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Bombanpg  
Two years ago

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LV  
Two years ago

Just watched last 3 minutes of this. (Had office Party on Friday...).

Love em or hate em, the 36ers are an entertaining team.

The Sobey offensive with 50 secs left was horrible. A really bad call.

But I have no issue with the Teys USF. If you're going to clumsily lunge across your opponent in a poorly diaguised attempt to stop an upcoming fast break, you probably deserve to get penalised for that.

The Goulding flop was probably the right call under the current interpretation. The current interpretation is dumb though. But that's a different issue.

I hope these two meet in the playoffs, cos there will be some feeling!

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LV  
Two years ago

In the last 3 minutes there was only one obviously bad call.

Doesn't quite justify all the salty tears I just noticed when looking through this thread!

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Snooch  
Two years ago

Yeh there were at least 4 bad calls in the last minute but I'm not really going to argue it any more. I've outlined which ones were wrong

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Snooch you're wrong. It's great as a fan you're so passionate about your team but its been explained here and elsewhere that the rules are different to what you want them to be.

That doesn't make the wrong calls, that makes them right, just not what you as a fan wanted.

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Snooch  
Two years ago

I know the rules. The calls were wrong.

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Snooch  
Two years ago

And it's got nothing to do with passion for my team- 2 of the wrong calls went against Melb and 2 went against Adl.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I just watched the replay, refs weren't any better or worse than they normally are and they certainly didn't favour either side. Adelaide got back into the game on Childress last 1/4 performance of 15 points when Moller sat on the bench all 1/4. Good game though by United

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LV  
Two years ago

I just want to bring this thread back up to hear what the whinging Adelaide army has to say about the USF's on Barlow and Te Rangi tonight?

You can argue about the rule all you like. But it does seem that the Teys foul was in line with the current interpretation based on those 2 calls tonight

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paul  
Two years ago

Those calls were different due to the wording "in order to" stop the fast break in the adjusted rule making intent relevant.

Teys' foul wasn't fouling in order to stop the fast break, he was fouling to stop the clock, something good refs around the world understand under the new ruling.

Unfortunately, the refs boss trying to support his ref by saying it was 100% has created a false precedent that will see some bad calls made from here on in that hadn't been made in the first 10 weeks.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Its still unnecessary contact in transition Paul. Dont get the 2 confused, stopping the break, stopping the clock. Unnecessary is unnecessary. Whether it is to stop the break or stop the clock, if its in transition there is no difference.

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LV  
Two years ago

Adelaide was 2 points down with 16 seconds to go. United scores, it's more or less game over. Stopping the fast break and stopping the clock are one and the same thing at that point in time.

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koberulz  
Two years ago

Whether it is to stop the break or stop the clock, if its in transition there is no difference.
Except that the rule only applies if the foul is "in order to stop the fast break". It explicitly says that.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Then you revert back to criteria 1 - no intent to play the ball. There are now 5 criteria

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FSTOS  
Two years ago

Any news on Moore's ankle?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Then you revert back to criteria 1 - no intent to play the ball. There are now 5 criteria"

He did play the ball. Have a look at these pics linked below if you honestly believe that it was an USF, Teys fulfilled all the criteria to make the defensive play he did.

https://twitter.com/pkpeninsula/status/945789862938001408

It's unfortunate it has been painted that the call was in line with the new FIBA rule when that certainly is not the case. It was an inexperienced ref making a mistake.

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paul  
Two years ago

Sorry, that was me above.

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paul  
Two years ago

FSTOS, Joey Wright said in Sunday's presser they're not expecting Moore or Drmic for this week's game but are hopeful Creek will play.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

He puts his arm across his waist, nowhere near the ball. For an astute basketball person like yourself is rubbish. He deliberately fouled and paid the consequence

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Udog  
Two years ago

Still the worst finish to an NBL game I can think of.

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john stevens  
Last year

any guesses on how much nbl refs make per hour of their time given to do each game?

probably about $5 an hour

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