Years ago

Why leave starters on late in the game?

We often see and complain about the limited minutes players play.

The games are 40 minutes long and we see players get substituted early and often. I have also heard commentators like Heal saying why are they taking the players out etc etc because how the game is only 40 minutes etc etc.

So why do we VERY VERY OFTEN like today when the game is dead and way way out of reach, do the coaches leave the starters in?

Why did Cairns who had a 20 point lead have all there starters on with 2 minutes to go?

The coach is quick to sub players after 5 minutes when they are fresh and the game is tight only to leave them on when the game is dead.

Also the 36ers had there starters on as well.

Not only that, but the intensity of the team that is well behind goes up especially defensively.

Why are they full court pressing? Why are they double teaming down 20 points with less than 1 minute left?

There is no longer any for and against that may count for or against you come end of the season.

The league just seems to have lost class. There was a time when a team was down massive, they would put the bench on.

Just does not make sense.

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Years ago

Percentage counts now, so for and against is more important than ever, and against every team not just the one you tie with. That is probably why.

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Years ago

Best practice you can get is against opponent and the way cairns is configured they keep going until final siren.
It's not an under 12 game and they're running a full court trap.

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Years ago

Are you sure for and against counts?

Last season it did, i am very very sure it was scrapped this season

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Years ago

They got rid of the season series tiebreaker, now they go by percentage over the whole season instead of just percentage versus the team you tied with. So margins are even more important now as a bigger margin against Sydney can still help New Zealand, whereas last year that wouldn't have been the case.

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Years ago

Someone posted earlier in the year that head to heads don't count aren't part of the equation anymore.

From memory the standings are determined by overall record, overall percentage... then I forget - net margin of games between tied teams?

So I think coaches leave players in to finish a game in order to maximise the team's percentage.

I get where Heal is coming from: if a coach is willing to leave their best players on-court for percentage, why not to ensure the win first and foremost?

Some coaches seem to overestimate their depth too. Getting subs in early is good for managing fouls, maintaining intensity and giving players an opportunity, but the NBL coaches seem to go overboard at times.

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Years ago

Fatigue in a basketball game occurs quickly and can be restored quickly, due to the fact the short-burst creative-phosphate system is the energy source predominantly used, a system that produces for a few seconds at a time but needs regular replenishment.

So when you hear someone say the 40 minute game should change sub patterns from the 48 minute game they obviously don't have any knowledge of the physiology involved.

In lay men's terms, in a game of basketball a player's ability to do things like slide laterally on defence, get up and down the floor, explode for rebounds, have a quick first step etc starts dropping away reasonably quickly, and after a few minutes is quite diminished.

However, a couple of minutes on the bench gives the body the chance to replenish and the player comes out fresher.

A good practical example was the Kings a few weeks ago when Gaze was playing his starters big minutes. They were getting smashed in fourth quarters and Randle wasn't able to step up because he hadn't had much, if any rest.

Against Brisbane this week, from memory the most minutes for a King was 33 and they were able to run out the game much better, especially Randle who was able to play the closer role he did in Adelaide when he averaged 31 mins.

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Years ago

Paul, of course your arguments are sound, but unsurprisingly some teams (e.g. the Pans) have few options, and more respect is due them for playing beyond their reasonable physical limitations. I don't know how they do it.
'Mazing what determination can achieve, regularly.

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Years ago

frequently is when coaches have little to no faith in their bench they rely heavily on starters, which ultimately can end up with a loss as opposed to a win if they had just utilized their bench, after all thats what they are for. Its a win win when coaches can do that, their main starters get those valuable rest mins and their non starters get a bit of experience to make their game better for following seasons. Usually poor coaching is the main reason

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Years ago

The Taipans are impressive Greybouy, but even with their injuries their leading minutes men are Gliddon and McCarron on 29 per game. Fearne knows his stuff and respects the high performance side of things.

Funnily enough, there are 10 players in the league averaging over 30 mins per game, four of them are from Sydney but only one is from Cairns, NZ or Perth.

Not coincidentally, they are the three best possession game teams. They are the top three in OR%, bottom three in TO% and top three in oppo TO%.

Sure there are other factors that contribute to that, but having guys playing fresh is certainly an important factor. When talented guys can't produce short-burst energy their talent becomes less influential.

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Years ago

I like the analysis.

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Years ago

Very few players in euro league/cup competition play more than 30 minutes, normally around 25 minutes.

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Years ago

I think it comes down to the personal preference of the coach. Some want to keep trying 100% right to the end, no matter that its a forgone conclusion 2 minutes out.
Plus, we have all seen some sensational turnarounds with less than two minutes to play.

It can also be about perception and reaction.
If you go back a few decades, in a Cricket Test Match where the result was beyond doubt with the winners batting last, it was common for the losing captain to toss the ball to non-bowlers for the last couple of overs. Often hastening the end as the got belted. Now days, I get the impression that it would be seen as disrespectful.

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