#42465

Bogut cut by Lakers

I see the NBL in his future

Report this topic


 

LC
Last month
08:41 7 Jan 18

Reply #664788

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Report this post



Isaac
Last month
09:10 7 Jan 18

Reply #664795

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

I see the NBL in his future
Supposedly he's leaving the flailing Lakers to contribute to an NBA contender.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
09:37 7 Jan 18

Reply #664797

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Bogutbkusyve done something right! Bad teams pick him up, use him sparingly, pay him, then release him to join contenders all the time! If warriors trade Javale, bigot could be the insurance at a cheaper rate for the Warriors.


Report this post



Beantown
Last month
09:43 7 Jan 18

Reply #664798

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Come to the Celtics big fella!!!


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
09:56 7 Jan 18

Reply #664800

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

GSW orCabs for the min


Report this post



Manu Fieldel
Last month
09:56 7 Jan 18

Reply #664801

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Better not go to the Wildcats


Report this post



Cram
Last month
09:59 7 Jan 18

Reply #664803

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

It was always a weird fit, despite those that said at the time he was 'signing for next season'.

Hopefully he can link up with a contender. Boston would be good, Wizards could use him too. Maybe the Wolves.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
10:21 7 Jan 18

Reply #664809

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

He'd fit in with the rest of the douches at Adelaide.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
10:42 7 Jan 18

Reply #664810

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Javale signed at vet minimum so wouldn't be saving anything. And considering he had options repeatedly to sign there and didn't looks like he was a little salty about trade even though it looked amicable.
Spurs would be good destination at this stage of career and skillset.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
11:45 7 Jan 18

Reply #664814

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

I hope he comes to the NBL if he doesn't land at a legit contender. I always though Lakers seemed a bit of an odd choice and thought he would have been better off coming to the NBL than be at the Lakers. Not a play off side, low pay, limited role... LA situation didn't exactly tick too many boxes of what players are looking for in the NBA.


Report this post



NJS
Last month
12:02 7 Jan 18

Reply #664815

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Aren't Milwaukee looking for a new centre?


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
12:05 7 Jan 18

Reply #664816

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

I don't know why anyone in the NBA bothers with him anymore.. he’s any injury prone non contributor


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
12:09 7 Jan 18

Reply #664817

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Brisbane might be a good fit? They need some help inside and he has played well under Lemanis at the Boomers.


Report this post



Manu Fieldel
Last month
12:26 7 Jan 18

Reply #664820

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

I can see Sydney throwing big bucks at him next season. A lot of it for culture. Fewer games, less time in planes, better for an old, banged-up body.

Sack Gaze. Randle and Bogut bookending the lineup. Maybe Prather at the 3. Lisch at the 2. Import 4 man, maybe a stretch guy who can still hold his own under the backboard. Whittington type.

Backups maybe Cadee (I said yesterday that he shouldn't return, but he is a good backup), Humphries, Pineau, Kernich-Drew. That's enough. If Blanchfield is on a multi-year contract then he comes off the bench and you got 10 guys there.


Report this post



Manu Fieldel
Last month
12:32 7 Jan 18

Reply #664821

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Kernich-Drew or Steindl. One of them should be available and Sydney should snap up. Daniel Dillon on the market or multi-year deal at Melbourne?


Report this post



Hogwash
Last month
12:39 7 Jan 18

Reply #664823

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Steindl is contracted for next year at Perth


Report this post



Manu Fieldel
Last month
12:43 7 Jan 18

Reply #664825

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Ah yeah, Kernich-Drew is due to break out anyway. Bring him over


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
12:48 7 Jan 18

Reply #664826

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Sydney need guys that can defend, Craig Moller would've been a good start.


Report this post



SteveK2
Last month
13:49 7 Jan 18

Reply #664836

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

He'll go to a contender for sure but if by slim chance he ends up at the Kings, he'd be an interesting one to watch with his no-nonsense, vocal personality.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
15:52 7 Jan 18

Reply #664895

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Bogut is straight trash. He tried signing with a contender pre season and nobody wanted him. Luke Walton pushed for Bogut because his ties with him. Thankfully the Lakers got rid of him.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
21:08 7 Jan 18

Reply #665013

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Who's better, Bogut or Pachulia?


Report this post



Udog
Last month
08:46 8 Jan 18

Reply #665037

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

It's such a shame he had so many injury issues. Was definitely a talent and one of the best players to come out of Australia.


Report this post



WookieE
Last month
10:06 8 Jan 18

Reply #665058

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

I'm sure the Kings still have the promo material from the old Lockout attempt... could save a few bucks...

Would love to see him back, especially at the Kings (it's not beyond their thinking to splash out all the $$$ on him and then have no money left for anyone else) and I don't really follow the NBA, but surely he'll be able to skip around to random teams the next season or so still?


Report this post



FM
Last month
10:13 8 Jan 18

Reply #665059

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Moving to where other players have asked for him. It won't be GSW because he isn’t blinded by faith.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
10:19 8 Jan 18

Reply #665063

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Will always be remembered as one of the worst #1 picks of all time


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
10:23 8 Jan 18

Reply #665064

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

No he won't.


Report this post



AngusH
Last month
10:55 8 Jan 18

Reply #665068

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

He was a very solid player in his prime. Not even in the discussion for busts, let alone worst #1 picks of all time. You're an idiot.


Report this post



Manu Fieldel
Last month
10:57 8 Jan 18

Reply #665069

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Is he money-motivated though? The vet minimum isn't mind-blowingly more than what the Kings would offer him. What's a couple million to (probably) a hundred-millionaire?

Should all come down to what he wants more... to be idolised in a big role in what should be a championship contender in his home country, or a minor role in a league with more prestige. From the outside looking in, I know what I'd do.

Plus he'd have more opportunity to hang out with good pal Liz Cambage


Report this post



AngusH
Last month
11:03 8 Jan 18

Reply #665072

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Honestly, Bogut would not produce enough to justify the $$$ needed to get him out here at this point in his career - he's better off pocketing a few million a year as a team's 3rd big in the NBA, if he can get it. Failing that, sure, but if an NBL team drops big coin and promotes him using footage of the Bucks' years Bogut, I think they're going to be disappointed.


Report this post



Manu Fieldel
Last month
11:03 8 Jan 18

Reply #665073

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Not even close by the hater up there ^

Was definitely the league's second best center behind Dwight Howard, and was gaining ground. To this day he was one of the best passing NBA bigs this century. Was starting to master the concept of horizontal space. Beast defensively and a guy you could actually throw the ball to on the block. Great athlete for his size. Then the injuries. Cannot stand when people call others a bust because of injuries. Takes credibility away from everyone and lets the real busts (Kwame, Bennett etc) off the hook. Greg Oden was near enough to a HOF lock if healthy. Poor bastard. How dare someone label those guys busts. Seriously


Report this post



Manu Fieldel
Last month
11:07 8 Jan 18

Reply #665074

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

I doubt any NBL team would be naive enough to promote him in such a way. They'd realise they couldn't fool the general public like that, because his career has been so well followed over here.

Would Bogut take $200-$300k? I'd be happy dishing that up for the culture and learning opportunities for teammates. I assume he'd be the kind of guy yo give back to up-and-comers like that. Humphries could be his pet project


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
12:03 8 Jan 18

Reply #665080

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Be guy still got two seasons and a few million in cash available to him on the NBA in the right situation no way he taking $250k in the NBL.

Also he'll want go level comp until at least the Olympic s or his body gives out


Report this post



Hogwash
Last month
12:14 8 Jan 18

Reply #665082

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

If he is serious about playing in 2020 Olympics (he will be nearly 36) the NBL would be much better for his body than NBA.
Sydney would be most likely spot for him.
If the young Lakers don't want him why would a contending team


Report this post



Zodiac
Last month
12:40 8 Jan 18

Reply #665088

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Bogut was waived because the deadline was approaching that his vet min contract was to become fully guaranteed for the rest of the season.

If a crap team like the Lakers isn't even willing to give him a vet min contract for the whole season I think his NBA career is just about done.

There would be a slight chance another NBA team picks him up for this season but I would think the chances of getting an NBA contract next season would be almost nil unless he would be willing to take a training camp invite and try and play his way onto a roster.

More chance of him playing in the NBL for a Melbourne or Sydney next season I would've thought.


Report this post



AngusH
Last month
12:42 8 Jan 18

Reply #665089

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

If Sydney sign him I guarantee every highlight of him on the Kings' social media pages will be from his Bucks days throwing down dunks, and JvG will be expecting 20-10 from him.


Report this post



Zodiac
Last month
12:44 8 Jan 18

Reply #665091

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

I could see him going home to play for Melbourne maybe as a direct replacement for David Andersen. Most of Melb's team is out of contract after this season but I wouldn't they could expect much more than say 8 & 5 out of him.


Report this post



UseTaHoop
Last month
14:29 8 Jan 18

Reply #665117

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

063

Bogut was never a bust. He was potentially an all-star, but injuries cruelled this and led to him being a role player.

Bogut was looking like a genuine inside/outside beast, but the elbow (?) injury hobbled his outside shot.

In spite of the injuries, look at how important he's been for the Boomers. He’s still a basketball-smart big guy a team can run the offence through and change an opponents offensive game by.

Bogut is still our greatest NBA product to date (but will be surpassed by Jnr Simmons).




Report this post



WookieE
Last month
14:35 8 Jan 18

Reply #665119

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Ok, so I readily admit to being out of touch with the NBA for a long time, and even most of the Aussie players these days, but SURELY any team would be able to expect more than 8 & 5 out of him?!

Ok, I'm bored at work so it's devil's advocate time... Say the Kings DO splash some cash at him and he's healthy to last a whole season... Say they can average an extra 3,000 people to all 14 home games just based on his name alone, averaging out at maybe $25 ticket ($15 for cheapest, $35 for decent ones), that's $1.05M just on tickets, not even factoring jersey sales, overpriced game day food sales, bringing in sponsors... So $750k for 28 games (Kings will manage to screw it up and still not make the playoffs) seems to be more than reasonable... Try to get some injury clauses in to minimise risk and playing decent minutes in a decent comp would be fairly good for him to stay in shape for the 2020 Olympics, yes?


Report this post



snooch
Last month
14:37 8 Jan 18

Reply #665120

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Zodiac I think you'll find it was a mutual move. The Lakers need more perimeter shooting and this gives Bogut the chance to join a playoff team. Nothing to do with the Lakers not want to give him a vet minimum because he's washed up.

He'll sign with someone in the playoff hunt soon enough - most likely the Bucks.


Report this post



Zodiac
Last month
14:41 8 Jan 18

Reply #665122

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Ok, so I readily admit to being out of touch with the NBA for a long time, and even most of the Aussie players these days, but SURELY any team would be able to expect more than 8 & 5 out of him?!


Unlikely he was only averaging 1.5 ppg & 3.3 rpg this season.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
14:42 8 Jan 18

Reply #665123

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

The lakers don't need perimeter shooting they have Lonzo Ball for that


Report this post



UseTaHoop
Last month
14:44 8 Jan 18

Reply #665124

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Agree with him playing in NBL.

NBL teams/ PR have a penchant for promoting "ex NBA", “Boomer” and “NBA calibre/future” recruits. Bogut would tick at least 2 boxes (still NBA calibre IMHO).

I like WookieE's estimates. Bogut would put bums on seats and sell merchandise.

Who needs the boost the most? Sydney.

If it was the AFL, an equivalent player would be largely paid by the league to develop an emerging/ underperforming market (think Ablett Jr at the Suns, the NRL converts etc).

Maybe Bogut could be enticed with a leg-up to a post-ball career start.


Report this post



Zodiac
Last month
14:46 8 Jan 18

Reply #665125

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Zodiac I think you'll find it was a mutual move. The Lakers need more perimeter shooting and this gives Bogut the chance to join a playoff team. Nothing to do with the Lakers not want to give him a vet minimum because he's washed up.


That's the spin Bogut's people have put on it but the reality is his vet min contract was about to become fully guaranteed so the Lakers cut him now before the deadline. They're only looking to replace him with a 10 day contract guy.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2018/01/06/report-lakers-to-release-andrew-bogut/

Ask yourself if there was any real interest in Bogut why did he only sign late in the off-season with a crap Lakers team that weren't even willing to give him a fully guaranteed vet min deal?


Report this post



LV
Last month
15:08 8 Jan 18

Reply #665128

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Why all the talk about Sydney?

He grew up in Melbourne.

Both teams have $ and few players contracted for next season, but give that Melbourne is his original home, would make United a more likely destination.


Report this post



snooch
Last month
15:08 8 Jan 18

Reply #665129

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

It's the spin the Lakers put on it actually. They want the option for guys on 10-day contracts because they clearly need more perimeter shooting and wanted to give Bogut the chance to sign with a playoff team...which he will...


Report this post



WookieE
Last month
15:27 8 Jan 18

Reply #665131

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Unlikely he was only averaging 1.5 ppg & 3.3 rpg this season.

Yeah, in 9mpg... Factor in against NBA level talent and inconsistent minutes to a solid 25-30mpg against NBL level talent and really the only factor would be his drive to actually make the effort and be a standout that would stop him averaging a double-double...

Why all the talk about Sydney?

He grew up in Melbourne.

Well, ignoring the (inflammatory) fact that why would you choose Melbourne if Sydney was an option ;)
Melbourne is of course a really very logical option and if it wasn't for the Kings attempt to sign him during the lockout (and the fact that they're a proven "give the biggest names lots of cash and hope for the best" nutbag management) then United would be the only option, I guess...


Report this post



Zodiac
Last month
15:43 8 Jan 18

Reply #665134

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Scooch, if you want to believe that go right ahead. Just keep in mind what kind of contract the Lakers gave him and who their coach is and what his history with Bogut was.

This contract was an NBA lifeline for Bogut it doesn't mean there is no chance another team will pick him up eventually this season but clearly his NBA days are numbered.


Report this post



Zodiac
Last month
15:46 8 Jan 18

Reply #665135

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Yeah, in 9mpg...


Exactly.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
16:04 8 Jan 18

Reply #665137

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Wonder how long Greg Hire is out for


Report this post



LV
Last month
18:05 8 Jan 18

Reply #665151

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

So what is the issue with Bogut, then?

Is it merely that his body is breaking down? Can't he pass a physical?

Cos on face value, it makes zero sense that there wouldn't be NBA interest. He was one of the best defensive and passing big men in the NBA not long ago.

The Warriors were in a winning position in the Finals 18 months ago until he got injured. IMHO the entire city of Cleveland can thank Bogut's injury for breaking their 50 whatever year championship drought.

And he's only, what, 33? If he joined the Spurs he'd barely be considered a veteran....


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
18:56 8 Jan 18

Reply #665155

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Considering Bogut didn't help the Warriors win the title the year before, his absence probably didnt mean much when Cleveland won. He completely shat the bed in the first Finals and its been all downhill since then.


Report this post



LV
Last month
19:57 8 Jan 18

Reply #665166

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Bogut had been handy in the 2016 finals.

It was after his injury that Lebron (and to a lesser extent Irving) started aggressively attacking the hoop and scoring off the drive. I bet Kerr would've loved to throw Bogut in for some rim protection.


Report this post



LV
Last month
20:03 8 Jan 18

Reply #665167

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Fwiw Bogut had 10 blocks in 60 minutes in the first 4 and a half games of 2016 finals.

Warriors may have been outscored with him on court but I reckon if he was still available, he could've made a big difference because of the way Lebron and Kyrie exposed the Warriors D without him.


Report this post



LV
Last month
20:06 8 Jan 18

Reply #665168

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

But notwithstanding his contribution in the finals, he was still a key contributor in a great team over a couple of years there.

So the question remains, why wouldn't NBA teams be interested? Look at the $ Tyson Chandler is on, or Aaron Baynes.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
20:19 8 Jan 18

Reply #665171

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

The fact he played 60 minutes in four and a half games tells you how little he was valued, probably because he shat the bed the year before.


Report this post



XY
Last month
20:42 8 Jan 18

Reply #665172

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Not sure that you need to be so pejorative with your assessment of Bogut's role on the Warriors.

No doubt for match up reasons he became less useful in the finals but he was a useful contributor in earlier rounds and during the season (when healthy). The Warriors had a specific tactic of starting games big and finishing them small. Can’t say it didn’t work until the Finals.

Bogut if healthy would still be a good player in the NBL - better than Jawai say - but not athletic enough these days to tear the comp apart. Depends on whether he is healthy though.


Report this post



Dome Rat
Last month
07:56 9 Jan 18

Reply #665197

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Bogut's body language on the bench was atrocious from day one. He was like a statue when his team mates did good things. The guy is a bit of a douche and perhaps his value is diminished by his attitude.


Report this post



Isaac
Last month
09:57 9 Jan 18

Reply #665209

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Why all the talk about Sydney?
Didn't Kings have him all but signed (scuttled by insurance) in the lockout? And it's also the sort of questionable marketing move the Kings tend to make.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
10:52 9 Jan 18

Reply #665213

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

time to hang up his boots


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
11:20 9 Jan 18

Reply #665220

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Yep, he needs to retire and become the Ambassador for Political Correctness Gone Mad.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
11:31 9 Jan 18

Reply #665224

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

triggered. all these excuses with "injuries"


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
11:34 9 Jan 18

Reply #665225

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

He will wait until his agent (Rita Panahi) comes up with a better offer.


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
11:36 9 Jan 18

Reply #665227

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Bogut good in the NBA Finals? Averaged 3 pts and 3 rebs. Kerr struggled to keep him on the court and obvious why in both Finals.


Report this post



LV
Last month
11:48 9 Jan 18

Reply #665230

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Yes, I realise he was almost signed by the Kings but that was 5 years ago when the Kings had different owners.

You're right though, it does smell like the sort of move they would make.

It would certainly get a few extra bums on seats.

Randle and Bogut, let's hope they get along!


Report this post



AngusH
Last month
12:44 9 Jan 18

Reply #665233

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Depending on his body, I think a rich man's Maric (circa 2016-17) is what he would have to offer, which would be fine on a winning team, but underwhelming as far as an on-court spectacle goes for a team like the Kings.


Report this post



SteveK2
Last month
14:09 9 Jan 18

Reply #665244

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Quite a bit more than a rich man's Maric I reckon, physically he will still be standout in the NBL. Trying to prevent him offensive rebounding would be difficult.

If you think Tyler was dominant when parked in front of opponent's rim, Bogut's size and reach is one more level above that even at this twilight stage. 7'3" wingspan with 9'3" standing reach coupled with high bball IQ is something we've never seen here I'm sure.

His major weakness would be perimeter defense, he is a lot slower than he was. Sadly, your current coach has no clue how to teach his team how to properly rotates.


Report this post



Dome Rat
Last month
14:10 9 Jan 18

Reply #665245

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Dont the Lakers and Kings have ownership connections?


Report this post



Anonymous
Last month
14:22 9 Jan 18

Reply #665247

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

The Lakers and Kings do I believe


Report this post



Hogwash
Last month
14:47 9 Jan 18

Reply #665251

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Would Melbourne replace an aging Andersen with an aging and injury prone Bogut?
For next season of course.


Report this post



Zodiac
Last month
14:58 9 Jan 18

Reply #665254

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Bogut's size is nothing new there are even bigger guys currently in the NBL like Alex Pledger and much bigger in the past like Sam Harris, Luke Nevill & Jason Eversteyn.


Report this post



WookieE
Last month
15:12 9 Jan 18

Reply #665256

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Steve did mention basketball IQ as well, so that rules out most of them... and it's not like all those examples were top shelf...


Report this post



SteveK2
Last month
19:41 9 Jan 18

Reply #665288

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

Thx Wookiee, I should emphasise the IQ bit I suppose. If it was size alone, Neville would be the most imposing with a mammoth 7'6" wingspan IIRC. A cardboad cutout of Yao Ming wrapped around a power pole would be even more imposing and as skillful as some of the guys Zodiac mentioned...


Report this post



Bear
Last month
10:31 11 Jan 18

Reply #665440

re: Bogut cut by Lakers

If he ever comes to the NBL, it would generate extreme hype for the game, lets hope that if he does, it is at least when he still has game...


Report this post





 

Reply to this topic

Name Email

Random name suggestion for anonymous posters: Triton 18

Title
Rules: You must read the Terms of Use. No spam, no offensive material, no sniping at other clubs, no 'who cares?'-type comments, no naming or bashing under 18 players. Learn how to embed YouTube videos or tweets
Message

Please proof-read your post before submitting as you will not be able to edit it afterwards.
 


Dunk.com.au - Custom basketball uniforms
Liam Flynn - basketball coaching and consulting

Advertise on Hoops to a very focused, local and sports-keen audience. Email for rates and options.

Recent Posts

.


.


An Australian basketball forum covering NBL, WNBL, ABL, Juniors plus NBA, WNBA, NZ, Europe, etc | Forum time is: 4:01 am, Tue 20 Feb 2018 | Posts: 698,871 | Last 7 days: 1,117