Anon
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Norwood 16D1 G

What on earth has happened to Norwood's DIV 1 16 girls?

Mass exodus...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Ask Willie - everything's fine.

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Anon  
Last year

They've lost 4 girls pre summer and it now looks another 3 - 4 post summer.

wow.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The coach is the issue

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Anon  
Last year

These kids were with Norwood for years and years.

i would be extremely concerned if i was JDO.

I am genuinely shocked, i don't think i have ever seen the top squad of a club crumble so quickly.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Interesting decision to appoint the coach given his conduct and subsequent sacking from Sturt only last year.

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chewie  
Last year

Other sports or other clubs or just quiting? Not uncommon for numbers to change with girls in particular....but that is a lot of players out of the squad!

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Anon  
Last year

It seems the decision to do that may bite them in the butt for years to come.

You lose 16 1 girls, you lose sisters, brothers.

It is a shame for those girls, they played together from under 10's and now split up.

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Anon  
Last year

Chewie - my understanding is 2 or 3 girls moved to Forestville at the start of summer and 1 to Sturt.

Mid season now there is 1 to Forestville and 1 to North and 2 possibly looking for new club.

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Anonymous  
Last year

This is just sad , a solid group of kids just wanting to play together and a poor coaching appointment means that's over . Very poor by the NBC , but it happens at all clubs

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Anon  
Last year

Yes, super disappointing.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Hopefully Forestville can process the transfer!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Never use lol, but above forestville transfer comment did my me do it.
Where now for Norwood, 16 girls are terrible, 18 boy div 1s are worse, lost by nearly 100 a few weeks back, 16 boys that were invincible in 14s are middle of ladder. Not really Willie's fault, a lot of these appointments were made by others despite him supposed to be in charge. A lot of good coaches left because of these outside appointments, namely committee members interfering to get mates in roles.

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Anonymous  
Last year

2 poor teams out of 8 in Div 1 and it's where to now for Norwood??
It’s summer so who cares and by the way it’s kids sport so save your hate for someone that deserves it !!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Coaches all over Metro need to review and take advice on their girls programs. Many are being let down. Attrition rates are high and poor entry in to the sport as well. Girls needs are so different to boys and that needs to be acknowledged and maybe some elements in the comp changed to acknowledge those needs to draw more to the sport. Clubs also need to develop teams not individuals and parents need to encourage their daughters to be team players. BSA state need to do what is good for the entire group of talent and not use the many to promote the few so they can have bragging rights. There seems to be a correlation with the success of individuals and the poor results of a team. And moving to dominant clubs is understandable but the knock on effect is detrimental to those that get pushed down and out and to the overall competition. The issue is then you have no competition to play against then disappointing results ensue at interstate and national comps leaving everyone including parents to scratch their heads because they are dominant at home. Then the wheels fall off as blame is thrown around. Coaching is not easy, being a player shifted from friendship groups regularly and seeing inequality in training and treatment from clubs and coaches isn't either, being a paretn watching it is probably the worse situation as they have the players when they leave the court and all the emotions to deal with and the rest of the girls lives to support and encourage. They carry the burdon at the end of the day while coaches walk away to their other lives after 4 hours a week. Opportunities blocked by politics and self serving influences all push girls away. Parents desire for their daughters to be the best using their rose coloured glasses rather than encouraging them to have perspective and options in life and coaches just wanting to impress their coaching mates or not putting in the work and continuously improving themselves and using volunteerism as an excuse and justification for poor leadership and no respect for players and parents. We should track players and teams and collect data and information to measure success. Succes is about player satisfaction over all else at all levels of play. For girls that will vary depending on the individual, their family life and calues and ability. We need to look at negatives and be honest as those are the barriers to success and take constructive critiscism and stop being defensive. For the good of the sport, the players and the state. It is after all about the Players who are more than just a player being used as a porn in a coaches game. Hard but truth for many. This is not a generalisation perse but a common theme seen over years involved with girls programs from all aspects, player, coach and now parent. From a womans view in a sport dominated by male coaches as well. There will be many who take offence to my comments and others cheering for some honesty finally being posted. What we need is a revolution of women to stand up, educate themselves and start coaching at the lower levels and over time reinvade the upper divisions and bring back women coaches to the sport. And learn from what it takes to develop girls at the bottom end. That will make you a much better coach and understand the complexities and needs of young women and girls and bring back balance, enjoyment and success to our sport. We are youth leaders first and coaches second. Wins will come to the talent but enjoyment and personal happiness is the most important aspect for the many. Lets make that out priority. Div 1 is such a small part of the competiion. The cream will rise but you need the milk to make that happen.

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Anon  
Last year

^ I completely get what you are saying.
Girls basketball IS very different. Their needs are vastly different to the boys, It would pay to see some investment in the future of girls basketball.

In my experience, the girls program gets the "left over" coaches - often. No disrespect to the coaches who have have been appointed, many have been awesome and in my opinion better than the coaches chosen to develop the boys program however the coaches handed to the boys are state coaches, NITP coaches etc and the girls program get the rest.

Getting back to Norwood and the girls who have fled there were some excellent female coaches involved in the 14's and 16's. One who had the 14 1's (the bunch who have left) as an assistant and she was bumped out for someone new, with no warning... and she was Norwood from birth, with premier league sons and a bunch of loyal, happy girls under her.

Can ANYONE remember a time an entire division 1 team transferred to other clubs? i haven't seen it before personally. I don't know the coach or anything about him bar he was at Sturt and there was controversy.

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Anon  
Last year

and 2 more of them to West Adelaide.

wow.

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Anomynous  
Last year

Once again perhaps it may be worth getting the facts before making comments, judgement and criticising! Maybe ask the families involved what really happened. Not to mention how unsportsmanlike it is to walk out of your teams and not playing the rest of the season! I'm sure that’s says enough! Great team work???

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chewie  
Last year

This seems to have gone kind of off topic pretty quickly. Lots of interesting points, some that I agree with whole heartedly, and others I struggle with, which may be more an indictment on me than anything.

Gender equality in coaching would be a good thing and most rationale people would tend to gravitate to this, but the crux of the issue is more the communication styles of some coaches. I've seen equally abrasive men and women coaches, and at times you can literally see when they lose a player or a group. You can be the best fundamental or tactical coach going around, but if you lack communication skills to juniors, and particularly to girls, you may be causing more harm than good. Obviously these are some generalisations and a blending of skills are required, but in general, its how you deliver the message that is key to me, and being able to recognise that you have 10 individuals to talk to and teach, all with different skill sets, not just in basketball, but in life.

I immediately railed at a few of the comments such as time spent with players and picking up the pieces, but I understand these for the basis they were intended as coaches are very different in their approaches, styles and time. 4hrs still seems low to me. Im putting in about 10/12hrs and this feels low, to the point I feel a little guilty some weeks that Im not working as hard as the team. The coaching at genders and the girls getting the leftovers struck a nerve, but again, this may be the case at some clubs. Im possibly fortunate to have had the choice with coaching roles, and I can honestly say .... the gender doesn't matter to me, but the type of kids that they are does.

I'll be running into some Norwood coaches in a few weeks and look forward to having a good chat to get some further background. I will say Ive coached against two of the womens coaches noted above at u14/16 level. One of them was brilliant and Id have 20min chats to her post game, the other I didn't know so well, but she seemed to have the best interests of her team at heart.

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Anomonys  
Last year

Well said Chewy! Reading this forum i feel we all really need to get the facts right! I don't believe its fair to say "I heard it from a reputable source"! Perhaps you should ask the Coach why he got the sack from Sturt! Thats the most reputable source. I think you will be very surprised!
Secondly, a TEAM is about "together everyone achieves more"! Your child may be a great athlete but along with that the coaches are looking for, good attitude, respect for themselves, players and their coaches not to mention the game itself, discipline and being a team. Without this i don't believe you can say your child is a great athlete of any sport!
JDO's, clubs and BSA should be there to support these coaches as it is not an easy task. Not only are they coaching what they love and have great passion for which is "Basketball" but unfortunately have to put up with constant questioning and ridicule from parents! quiet sad really!
Good luck to the U/16 girls i believe there is an exciting season ahead for you all. I believe you have great experienced coaches (not left overs at all) and we are excited for Norwoods girls program right from the U/10 to U/18 that is developing and becoming very strong and positive. Norwoods coaches coming through have great experience knowledge and understanding of the game!
All the best Norwood!

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Anon  
Last year

Some wonderful comments raised above, thanks for taking the time to offer up another perspective.

I have no idea about the Coach or why he left his previous club but an ENTIRE team of top age, Under 16 Division 1 girls walk away from a club and especially before the end of the season there would be a pretty damn good reason and it sure as hell wouldn't be "court time".

I hope they flourish in their new teams.

I hope for the good of Basketball in SA that Norwood get their act together.

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Anomonys  
Last year

Its great to finally see the smiles and unity within the U/16 girls! Before the "mass exodus" and previous coach the team was beginning to full apart then.
Children learn best when they are happy and feel supported by their peers!

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Anon  
Last year

The team DID fall apart... that's the tragedy.

The Under 16s girls you mention are basically a new team now.

i hope they are happy, for sure.

I guess there will be promotions to 1's for some 2's.

But, it is Norwood - so you will have 3 - 4 new players poached from other clubs and promised Div 1 spots for Winter, no doubt.

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Anonymous  
Last year

This is kids sport stop hating !
All clubs poach at some level , the more successful the club quite often the better they are at poaching . Do u think for one minute that some clubs are on the phone to norwood girls right now ...... ! I know they are !
There is nothing wrong with that !!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wow, junior sport really has parents living through their children. The children don't even care as much as the parents. So many essays on here being written, how about we get this in depth with NBL issues since it's the playoffs! Wow.

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Anon  
Last year

^ who the hell is living through their children? what you think 14/15 year old girls don't have anything to say or want to understand what the hell happened to their club or team mates? This is a forum, to discuss things, which is what is being done.

If you do not like the thread, don't click on it. Don't respond to it.

For things to improve and for change to take place, often discussion is the first step.

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Anonyknows  
Last year

"Discussion"

Usually refers to an exchange of ideas in person.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The truth is those top aged girls where letting themselves down, the team , squad and coaches. To suggest the new coach is to blame would mean you have no understanding to what has taken place. The first group of girls to leave , left because they would not be offered div 1 spots and the former country coach wanted to continue with her country program but she stepped down on trial day.

Secondly the next group are leaving mainly through not performing due to lack of attendance to training and some other issues. Lastly the coach who is in charge now is brilliant and knowledgeable and if you honestly ask any kid or coaches from clubs he has coached with would speak highly of him.

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Anon  
Last year

^ Ok. so you are suggesting the starting top age point guard for Norwood left before the season as she would not get a DIV 1 spot? hahahah. she is in NITP. She was in the ECC 16's team as the point guard, she will be the starting point guard for the state team this July. I am laughing.

I don't know that you know Norwood if you think those girls weren't going to be division 1.

i didnt speculate the issue was the coach, i dont know the coach. I know many of the girls who played under him at Sturt and not a single one would say he was a good one, however.

I'm sorry but two of the girls who just walked away are in the State 16's squad and 2 of the others are SA Country 16's and if they "weren't performing" i highly doubt it was because they didn't have the ability.

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Anonymous  
Last year

(Mod: Removed. Legally questionable.)

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Anon  
Last year

Who is Norwood's 18s coach?

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Threat606  
Last year

#264

Not one bit of what you have said is true, but don't let that detract from your vindictive agenda.

It's not hard to work out who you are based on your made up story, so be very careful about who you take potshots at.



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Anonymous  
Last year

Just had a look at the ladder for under 16 Girls, I hope Southern Tigers get to play Sturt in the Summer GF.
Looks like South Adelaide have lost two games versus Southern Tigers 1 loss, however ahead on points as they have played an extra game, doesn't not really seem fair.

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Anon  
Last year

Summer season isn't fair really, but it's not a big deal really.

Southern and South are VERY skilled in this age group of girls.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Great to see the two best summer teams play off in the GF, Southern and Sturt.
What has happened to Forestville this season?

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Anon  
Last year

Forestville took a heap of Norwood girls into their 1's (3 i believe) at start of summer, those girls are not used to the structure and could be part of the reason.

Also, Sturt, Southern and South have super strong, talented girls in the team as does Eastern 2003 born girls in SA are a strong group. 2004 girls are dominated by Forestville & Sturt, so will change next year.

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Anon  
Last year

http://websites.sportstg.com/club_info.cgi?c=1-3-44227-0-0&a=CLEAR

Mass exodus for Norwood juniors. 5 - 10 more to be cleared.

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Anonn  
Last year

More players and probably more coaches to follow from Norwood. They have lost immense talent, but they still hold up to standard due to their depth and support within the community. If they were run properly, their junior program would be elite. Unfortunately, it isn't. They have lost so much junior talent. Couple of years ago it was first coaches, but now players and families are starting to realise they are better else where. This is everyone's gain. From what I know (which may be little), Forestville, North and Southern have gained hugely from departing players and coaches.

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