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Patty Mills racially abused by fan in Cleveland

ON A night when Patty Mills climbed into fourth all-time on the San Antonio Spurs three-pointers made list, he was subjected to crude remarks from a fan.

As the game was coming to a close, Mills lined up at the free throw line and while the commentators went quiet, the microphones picked up the slurs.

The man inside Cleveland's Quicken Loans Arena shouted towards Mills.

"Hey, Jamaican dog. They want their bobsledder back," the fan shouted during the first shot attempt.

Mills then lined up for his second free throw and the fan decided once wasn’t enough as he threw out another slur.

“Jamaica just called; they want their bobsledder back.”


http://www.news.com.au/sport/american-sports/nba/patty-mills-was-subjected-to-sickening-remarks-from-an-nba-fan/news-story/505fa9c1cf66b5e037f2bcfa717e948e

Congrats to Patty both for the class in which he handled himself and for going up to 4th on the Spurs all-time three pointers made list.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Where is the racial abuse? Probably had more to do with his hair than his race.

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koberulz  
Last year

Because his hair has nothing to do with his race, obviously.

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Anonymous  
Last year

He has dreadlocks. Commenting on them isn't a racial slur.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Agree. I don't think that is racist. 'dog' is the worst part of the fan's 'abuse' here.

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LoveBroker  
Last year

Last I checked Jamaica is not a race.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Fan was obviously "feeling very Olympic that day"

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Anonymous  
Last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2KG5SqCFg4

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Curtley  
Last year

If he was jamaican would calling him a jamaican dog be racist? Im going with yes. Then again would anyone in this forum feel racially abused if they were called an Australian dog?

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LoveBroker  
Last year

Jamaicans are not a race of people.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I would not want to be the fan who messed with the Islanders!

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Curtley  
Last year

'Jamaican isn't a race' - neither is black.

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rjd  
Last year

Why is this racism? Title should be "man heckles athlete's choice of hairstyle by using pop-culture reference".

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wow talk about an over reaction. There are white Jamaicans you know, and their accents are hilarious.

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Ricey  
Last year

To not find it racist you'd have to be a real moron...

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Anonymous  
Last year

It's racist thinking Jamaicans = black. They have whites and yellows there too. Forgotten people.

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rjd  
Last year

Mills Twitter:
"I am a proud Islander. Like my Jamaican Brothers, me and my family in the islands of the Torres Strait have experienced racial slurs for decades. Hope (we can) enlighten this confused, hateful fan."

Would we also cry racism when there are heckles that reference "a dingo ate my baby", or "that's not a knife, *this* is a knife"? That also combines a silly pop-culture reference that has become associated with people from an island nation. Should Baynes cry racism when there are heckles that reference Vikings?

I have great admiration for Mills, but I think he is off the mark here.

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Anonymous  
Last year

and saying Jamaican would be a combo of Winter Olympics reference AND purposely putting calling someone a different nationality. Like, "I don't respect you to know where you're from" type thing.

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Anonymous  
Last year

rjd I enjoy your posts, once again you get it when most don't.

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Anonymous  
Last year

LOL @ "islander" WTF does that even mean? All colours of people live on islands.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The topic needs to be renamed.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So is heckling Dirk because of his love of Hasselhoff by LeBron in finals years back racist?

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D2.0  
Last year

Two things.
Was he calling him Dog or Dawg?
Calling somebody a "dog" is a put-down, and could be racist depending on the adjective.
ie, if calling somebody a "X" is an insult, then calling somebody a "Black X" is usually racist.
So referencing "Jamaican", which most people associate with people of colour, does tend to imply a racial basis.
But the other question I would ask, is whether he was heckling other players equally?

People do need to understand that the equation is not equal. Black people, including American Blacks, Jamaicans, and Indigenous Australians have been abused and discriminated against for centuries. White people generally have not.
Even those of Mills generation would have copped some crap growing up because of the colour of his skin.

And at the end of the day, Mills has expressed a desire to enlighten the fan. Hardly stirring the pot. It's not as though he's calling for a lifetime ban.

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Smith  
Last year

Thank you D2.0, it frustrates me to no end when i hear "that's not racist" and countless ridiculous comparisons to quell the cry of racism.

There is a lot of racism in the world and it often comes out when people are frustrated, for example when your high performing team are down to the Spurs!

This guy was heckling and chose the "go back where you came from route" although he didn't do very good research.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So why do you think he chose to call him Jamacain then, Smith?

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Anonymous  
Last year

"To not find it racist you'd have to be a real moron..."

Ah, the old "I don't know why its racist either but I'm going to side with the good guys" line.

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Smith  
Last year

I am not interested in speculating why he chose to call him a "Jamaican" dog, i am fairly certain however he was calling him a dog, not "dawg" as some have speculated the heckler was saying, colloquially.

I am sorry, but it doesn't take a genius to work out the man on the sideline was taunting Mills and the words he used to do so were chosen instinctively and are racist in context.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So (again in the Cleveland finals game some years back) when Matt Bonner was taunted for having red hair and the word "irish" was used in a similar context more should have been made about that ?

I hate racism and our people have been through (and continue) tremendous struggles around the world.

But if we truly want to move forward we can not laugh at one aspect and cry poor at the other. Double standards will not change the word, it will further divide.

Now lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya MF'ers

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Anonymous  
Last year

"I am sorry, but it doesn't take a genius to work out the man on the sideline was taunting Mills"

Agreed.

"and the words he used to do so were chosen instinctively and are racist in context."

How are his words racist?

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Anonymous  
Last year

I like how no one crying racism has addressed the Dirk or Bonner examples.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The people making the "yeah but white players get heckled" statements need to realise that racist terms have been used against people of various colours for centuries to oppress, degrade, and devalue their worth. These aren't statements which carry the same weight against white people.

It was racist against Mills and it’s ridiculous to suggest it’s not because someone was called Irish or a viking... GTFOH

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Anonymous  
Last year

"It was racist against Mills "

Its also ridiculous to suggest it was racist but not explain why. There was no racist slur or name-calling. There was a guy trying to be funny (and failing) but just because he heckled a POC, it doesn't mean it was racist.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"The people making the "yeah but white players get heckled" statements need to realise that racist terms have been used against people of various colours for centuries to oppress, degrade, and devalue their worth. These aren't statements which carry the same weight against white people.

It was racist against Mills and it's ridiculous to suggest it’s not because someone was called Irish or a viking... GTFOH"

You do realise Irish were persecuted for centuries as well? You're the racist one by brushing that aside. Hello reverse racism!

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Smith  
Last year

It DOES mean it is racist. That is exactly what racism is FFs.
It was direct, verbal racism. It was yelling out to degrade a person of colour and referring to them as a dog, whilst at it.

You don't understand as you highly likely have never felt the effects of racism.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mills has a certain hairstyle.

The Winter Olympics were on at the time.

Jamaican bobsled is a pop culture reference re: Winter games.

Jesus F Christ you do gooder/hippy tree hugging/bleeding hearts are out of control.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Smith, degrading a POC is not racism. Degrading a POC BECAUSE of their race is racism.

If I called Mills a dickhead, would that be racism?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Not racist imo, it's a pop culture reference. The clue here is that patty isn’t Jamaican.

Calling a Jamaican a Jamaican dog, there’s more of an argument there.

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D2.0  
Last year

Firstly, if you single out a person because of their race, that's racism regardless of what you call them. (Which is why I asked whether he was heckling other Spurs equally.)

Next, it doesn't matter if it's a "pop-culture reference," if it is racially based. ie why was that specific reference chosen?

Calling a white person "Irish" is not the same. For starters, "Irish" is not a slur.
Calling a Chinese person "Chinese" is not a slur, but calling them a "Slope" or a "Chink" is!
(Maybe there's an equivalent slur for Irish people, but I'm not aware of it.)
Calling Mills "Jamaican" would just be ignorant, but calling him a "Dog" tends to make that into a slur.

And as I said, the two sides of the coin are not equal. What we share in common with the USA is that we treated Black people like shit for 200 years. So I think they're allowed to be a bit more sensitive about racial issues.

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Anonymous  
Last year

" if you single out a person because of their race,"

And how do you prove whether Mills' race played any part in the heckler deciding to yell out his comment?

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anon  
Last year

this forum just proves Australia racist for sure

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Anonymous  
Last year

Dazz 2.0 welcome back (not). You haven't improved in the slightest.

#674649 - um, no.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I love how the word 'dog' is being dissected on here. The hyper-politically correct OMG RACISM!!11 mob on here are really trying to stress it after the 'Jamaican' part was explained to them and dismissed. Keep trying but we have a brain.

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LoveBroker  
Last year

So what I get from all this is :

- Heckle a person of colour, eg a dog, its racism.

- Heckle a white person, its a Tuesday.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Exactly.

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AngusH  
Last year

Maybe this will be the thread where white people can finally agree on what other races should find racist/offensive.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Angus, if someone wants to explain specifically what was racist maybe we can start to understand it. All we've seen so far is "if you don't know why its racist then you're a moron" which is pretty poor.

He was heckled, he got called Jamaican (I can only assume it was due to his hair because it doesn't make any sense otherwise), it was completely unfunny, but I don't see that its racist.

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AngusH  
Last year

FWIW I don't think it was racist either on the surface, but have no idea what the person who said it thinks. I can also see why others might disagree. If you think you are going to solve this issue here though, maybe try religion and politics next.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Maybe this will be the thread where white people can finally agree on what other races should find racist/offensive."

Yeah, because everyone in this thread and on this site is white. Good one.

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snooch  
Last year

Why do people feel the need to yell out stupid shit?

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UseTaHoop  
Last year

Would it be racist to suggest that all white people are American rednecks dogs?

I'd suggest that the heckler assumed that Mills was African-American, and linked that to Jamaican (historically and genetically linked by the slave trade of the Americas). Probably because of his hair. Global affairs and Geography are not strong points in American education at school or college level.

This stuff happens, I had a cousin from Mauritius who had braids. A lot of people assumed she was American and couldn’t judge her accent. When she returned to Mauritius as an adult the locals assumed she was some kind of Rastafarian.

It’s ok to make a mistake about someone’s background or culture (or you could ask them nicely when possible) but attaching "dog" to your opinion of where they’re from is probably racist and definitely offensive. If you had an open mind and asked someone about their background, you’d be unlikely to attach the word “dog” to your description.

TLDR= fan def offensive and ignorant, probs racist too.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I beg to differ.

When I'm unhappy with someone I call them a dog or say it's a dog act etc. Nothing to do with race.

Today I had an airline decline waiving fees for a missed connection due to them rescheduling the first flight of two on the same ticket (budget carrier obviously). I was muttering about them being dogs all day.

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rjd  
Last year

Is it really necessary to leap to racism when there is a far more obvious explanation? Let me break this down for all those who still insist on calling it racist:

Usually hecklers want to either put the player off or say something humourous. While I think not many would find it funny, he was obviously using the "'X' called, they want their 'Y' back" joke formula, where Y is linked to X in some way. The X being "Jamaica" (it doesn't take a genius to see the Jamaica reference was connected to his hairstyle in this game), the Y being "bobsledder" as a pop culture reference, topical with the winter Olympics on.

Look at the way the fan repeated the joke attempt, realising that the joke formula should begin with "X called". The only ambiguity is the use of "dog/dawg"; whether it was to get attention, to insult, or simply to extend the Jamaican reference where "dawg" can be used in place of "friend": http://jamaicanpatwah.com/term/Dawg/1121#.WpVIuehuY2w

Regardless, it is difficult to see how that one word makes his statement racist.

Is this really so difficult to comprehend all of this without needing to rely on racism as an explanation? Good for anyone who wants to spotlight and eliminate racism, but it is better to do so on actual racism.

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Anonymous  
Last year

rjd I'm with you. These days most people are sheep who have been brainwashed into being fanatically politically correct and also thrive on outrage porn.

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Anonymous  
Last year

INDEPENDENCE, Ohio — The Cleveland Cavaliers have indefinitely banned a fan from their arena for making racial taunts at San Antonio's Patty Mills.
Security officials reviewed videotape from Sunday's game and identified the fan sitting near the court. He yelled at Mills while the Spurs guard was shooting free throws in the fourth quarter.
The team did not disclose his name or any details about him. He is barred from events at Quicken Loans Arena, with the team to review the ban after one year.
While Mills was at the foul line, the fan was heard on the ABC broadcast twice yelling, "Hey, Jamaica called, they want their bobsledder back!" Mills is black and from Australia with an Aboriginal heritage.

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Zodiac  
Last year

Rightfully so and good on the Cavs for banning the racist.

A real shame a few Hoops commentators instead of getting stuck into this idiot have spent most of this thread defending his racist behaviour. At least NBA teams know and understand what racism is and as Patty alluded to in his tweet some Australians still have a long way to go.

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Zodiac  
Last year

Mills' classy response to the incident has earned widespread praise and it coincided with Mills visiting the San Antonio Museum of Art on Tuesday as part of Black History Month in the United States.

"You always take the high road ... last night's incident is something that's not new to me," Mills told reporters.

"I've ignited a lot of stuff growing up as an indigenous Australian and over here in the NBA as well.

"I think it's fair to say I've been called a lot worse, but it was a small example to shine light on the fact racism still exists in sport today.

"We as a whole can do a lot more to be in a situation like today and educate kids to be proud of who they are and where they come from and have the feeling inside to be able to express all of that."

Mills' mother Yvonne is Aboriginal and was part of the stolen generation. His father, Benny, is a Torres Strait Islander.

Mills was recognised at the NAIDOC awards last year as the person of the year and he has become one of Australia's leading indigenous role models.


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/spurs-guard-patty-mills-takes-high-road-after-nba-racism-incident-to-teach-kids-to-be-proud-20180227-h0wq2c.html

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Anonymous  
Last year

^ Exhibit A

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Anonymous  
Last year

"A real shame a few Hoops commentators instead of getting stuck into this idiot have spent most of this thread defending his racist behaviour. "

What racist behaviour??? Can you explain why this was racist? Thats all that has been asked.

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rjd  
Last year

What, none of these "RACIST!!!11" advocates have replied to my analysis of the taunt? Instead, not only are we all supposed to believe the circular argument that it is racist because it is racist, but this is meant to be a broader argument that says something about Australian culture?

This thread, if anything, is an example of racism today: racism comes from a gut feeling, partly based on being subjected to racism in the past, rather than understanding the nuance of language and understanding actual meaning and intent and context in specific cases.

It's the dumbing-down of important social issues. It is easiest to automatically label a taunt racist, don't worry about type 2 errors.

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snooch  
Last year

None of what you wrote dealt with facts, which is probably why no one responded to your hypothesis of what happened.

The Spurs dealt with it by suspending the fan indefinitely. They dealt with the facts.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"They dealt with the facts."

What are the facts then? Mills was taunted, but still waiting to hear why is was racially charged or that a slur was involved. No one has answered that yet ie no facts have been dealt with.

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Anonymous  
Last year

rjd the general populace has been convinced by the media that anything negative towards a person of colour means that it is racist. This thread is an excellent example of it. The title is wrong but hasn't been modified says it all.

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snooch  
Last year

Look it up. It's all there. Listen to what the people involved have said. Learn.

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Anonymous  
Last year

No one has said why it is racist!

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snooch  
Last year

That's because they don't need to spell it out.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Or because you don't actually know yourself.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Look it up. It's all there. Listen to what the people involved have said"

...five minutes later...

"That's because they don't need to spell it out."

You can't be serious!

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rjd  
Last year

snooch, I referenced all the facts on hand.

The exact taunt comprising
- the joke formula "'X' called, they want their 'Y' back", a joke that is often used on style choices. The fan even repeated the joke with a slight change to align itself with this familiar formula.
- the "Jamaica" reference has been explained (did you actually see his hairstyle? Or is this connection the supposed racist element?)
- in the context of the joke formula referencing Jamaica, the "bobsledder" reference makes sense, especially with the Winter Olympics running at the time.
- dog/dawg is disputable and by no means indicative of racist behaviour. While it is difficult to know what he exactly meant by dog or dawg, I even provided a link that suggests "dawg" is a Jamaican colloquial equivalent to "friend". Is there any benefit of the doubt deserving here, or let's instead conclude the more serious allegation?

From Mills' perspective, he has admitted to being subjected to racist taunts in the past. He is clearly offended and interpreted it as racist. Does that make it true?

What "facts" am I missing here, snooch?

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snooch  
Last year

All of them. Clearly

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Anonymous  
Last year

I don't know your ethnicity snooch but you're a twit. Sorry if that was a racial taunt.

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rjd  
Last year

I'm sorry, snooch, I wouldn't have ever referenced your name in my post had I known, at the time, you were such a moron.

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snooch  
Last year

I'm not going to argue with people who are being disingenuous.

You know all know why it was racist. Everyone know why it was racist. The fact you are trying so vehemently to deny it was says more about you than me.

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Zodiac  
Last year

Ignore them Scooch they're just trolling.

The Cavs did the right thing in giving this guy a 12 month ban.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"You know all know why it was racist. "

No I don't, which is why I keep asking. Why can't you just explain?

I am not defending the guy at all. I want to know why what he said is a racial slur.

snooch, your responses above only show that you have no idea yourself. And Zodiac, you haven't even bothered to attempt an explanation. Surely between the two of you, you can come up with some explanation.

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Luuuc  
Last year

If it had just been "Jamaica just called - they want their bobsledder back" then I'd say there's ambiguity there and just as likely to be a dumb hair style comment as a comment with any racial intent.
But "Jamaican dog"? I don't see any plausible excuse for that one.

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snooch  
Last year

Anon you seem to think you've got some sort of "gotcha" moment going on here. You don't. It's pretty cut and dried why it's racism, and I'm sure you know it.

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Anonymous  
Last year

OMFG just answer the question!! If its so cut and dried, just say why.

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rjd  
Last year

"But "Jamaican dog"? I don't see any plausible excuse for that one."

At least here we have a specific citation.

Let's ignore the possibility -- especially in context -- that he used the word "dawg", and assume he said "dog" in a pejorative manner. Let's even assume he said "dog" to put him down or to insult, which is no certainty at all, especially when used with such a stock standard joke, which, with repetition, seemed to be the emphasis.

Is the use of "dog" inherently racist, or racist when combined with a nationality, or racist when combined with a *particular* nationality? Would "Australian dog" have been racist? Are we meant to interpret "Jamaican" to be a substitute for a particular race or skin colour? Or "dog" is racist when the target is a particular race or skin colour?

It is all so easy when racism becomes a case of "i just know it when i see it", but let's inject some logic and reason into this, even if some idiots think reason and analysis is "trolling".


If you can't back up your opinion with actual reason, maybe it is time to reassess your beliefs.

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Luuuc  
Last year

I think just about anything can be conveniently explained away if one tries hard enough.
If I call someone a Black C*nt then am I being racist? I mean he's just some guy who IMO is acting like a c*nt, and he happens to be black. If I call Patty Mills a strong black man is that racist?

To me, as soon as someone feels the need to combine a race/nationality reference with their insult of choice (in this case, dog), then they've shown their true colours, so to speak.

Just my take.

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Bob Sels  
Last year

Still waiting on scooch and Zodiac to explain why it is racist.

rjd meanwhile has explained himself to the nth degree. Good job.

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rjd  
Last year

"To me, as soon as someone feels the need to combine a race/nationality reference with their insult of choice (in this case, dog), then they've shown their true colours, so to speak."

Good to see someone suggesting it is racist display some reasoning. Am I right to say that your argument is that it was the first two words that were racist, whereas the joke alone was not?

Is what you have described racism or just an nationality-based insult? I'm still not sure where the racial element appears. Is it in an assumption that only certain races can have that kind of hairstyle, so mocking it is racist?

Do you think the context matters in this case? Does the need to attribute Mills as Jamaican, as a context for the joke, matter at all? Or should we simply attribute racism universally to any location-based adjective combined with an insulting noun?

Just for the record, I think if "dog" was used as an insult, that is the fan's mistake right there. Unimaginative and bland. I'm generally not a fan of heckles, but light-hearted joke heckles that don't personally insult are by far the best. At least the fan corrected his joke on the second attempt to follow the standard joke format, removing the possible insulting term. Although the journalist in the OP referred to the corrected joke as a slur.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I'm going to call Craig Moller a Jamaican dog on Saturday night and see what the reaction is.

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rjd  
Last year

"In a Feb. 25 ESPN.com story, the choice of words a fan said to Patty Mills was unclear. After further investigation, the fans said "Hey Jamaica called" twice to Mills."

No use of "dog" after all. It was a repeated joke.

Still racist or not?

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Anonymous  
Last year

But before they clarified what was said the outrage already took its tool. What a world we live in today.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Oh, and the title of the thread STILL remains incorrect.

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Snooch  
Last year

So he didn't say dawg then?? There goes that hypothesis I guess.

And yet the guy is still banned indefinitely so clearly the Cavs - armed with all the information - knew it was racist.

Patty and all his teammates who've been asked about the incident knew it was racist and those questioned have applauded the decision to ban the fan.

So, yeah, sticking with the fact it was a racist taunt.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Scooch just because they think it was doesn't mean it was.

You continue to not answer rjd's request re: explaining why it is racist. "Because the Cavs etc. think so" doesn't fly. Explain your thought processs.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"So, yeah, sticking with the fact it was a racist taunt."

hahahahahahaha oh man, your definition of "fact" is a lot different to mine!

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snooch  
Last year

I don't need to explain my thought process. What I believe, like what you believe, it completely and utterly irrelevant.

The FACTS are that a fan used a racially charged comment to taunt Patty Mills - a taunt Patty and his teammates knew to be racist, as did the Cavs, who punished him for making the comment by banning him indefinitely. Not sure how our facts can possibly differ on that??

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Anonymous  
Last year

Because despite what you say, there is nothing so cut and dry about it definitely being a racial taunt. You still can't say why it was racist, and your whole argument relies on other people agreeing with you. That is not how facts work.

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paul  
Last year

I tend to agree if he was called a Jamaican dog it definitely has racial overtones, and that's enough to take action. If there was no insult like that, just a joke about his hair and Cool Runnings, to me there is no basis for it being labelled racist.

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Anon  
Last year

Those spending time and energy arguing that the taunt was not racist and it needs to be proven racist: 1. have very unlikely encountered any racism and do not and will not ever GET it. 2. do not understand the inference of racism. the taunt was inferred racism and used to mock Mills.

The man on the sidelines took a look at Patty and chose to drunkenly yell out abuse at him whilst he took his shots.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Those spending time and energy arguing that the taunt was not racist and it needs to be proven racist"

Asking for an explanation why, but not having that explanation forthcoming (aside from comments like "its so obvious!") doesn't prove anything. It doesn't mean we don't "get" racism - it means we asked for an explanation but none was given.

It really can't be that hard to provide an explanation for something so obvious.

"The man on the sidelines took a look at Patty "

Yes, at his hair, then called him Jamaican.

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Anonymous  
Last year

would he have called mills a jamaican if he was white? no he wouldn't. so why are people pretending that skin colour is not a factor in this?

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Anonymous  
Last year

"would he have called mills a jamaican if he was white? no he wouldn't. "

If he had dreadlocks, yes.

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snooch  
Last year

Again, stop being disingenuous.

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Anonymous  
Last year

snooch, if you can't explain your position, just stop talking.

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snooch  
Last year

My position is it was a racist comment. I don't need to explain anything any further than that. I've made that pretty clear throughout the entire thread.

You claiming a fan would call someone Jamaican if they were white with dreadlocks is disingenuous.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Its absolutely not disingenuous. Dreadlocks are closely associated with the Rastafarian culture. No matter what anyone's skin colour is, seeing dreadlocks and linking it to Rasta's is logical.

Why do you think the guy called him Jamaican?

"My position is it was a racist comment. I don't need to explain anything "

hahahaha oh dear.

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rjd  
Last year

"Maybe this will be the thread where white people can finally agree on what other races should find racist/offensive."

Given the topic of the thread, and the supposed stance taken by the poster, this deserves a response.

Ironically, it is the most racist statement quoted in this thread, loaded with presumptions directly related to race. There is no ambiguity about the racial references used. Please clarify again, Angus, if I am interpreting your statement incorrectly, but it seems like you:
- suggest "white people", as a generalised term, seek to prescribe what other races find racist/offensive
- imply that the disagreement within this thread is due to white people
- imply that people in this thread questioning the alleged racism must be white, making a seemingly impossible assumption of stance taken in an online forum being linked to race.

This is the problem when people try too hard to identify racism. They try too hard to see the world as delineated by race, ignoring other factors, and thereby become accidental racist themselves. I've seen it in other comments sections: "you must be white", "you must have never been subjected to racial discrimination" ... "because you are white". One great thing about making these arguments online is that arguments should be just about the arguments, not the characteristics or the situation of the person making the argument. It should be free from prejudiced preconceptions.

"Those spending time and energy arguing that the taunt was not racist and it needs to be proven racist: 1. have very unlikely encountered any racism and do not and will not ever GET it. 2. do not understand the inference of racism. the taunt was inferred racism and used to mock Mills."

I respond to these posts because there is an overzealous tendency to call out racism without consideration of other factors, other interpretations, and without much actual thought. Accusations of racism has become sensationalised and often misdirected. It is also common to see a mob mentality when these accusations are presented. This shouldn't happen because it is a very serious accusation. The issue that is the focus of this thread, in my opinion, is an example of a type 2 error. As it turns out, not only did the journalist not make the effort to analyse the meaning of the heckle, the journalist was so eager to attribute racism they they didn't even study the tape well enough to identify what was actually said by the fan.

Now as the story has changed, no "Jamaican dog", we see people adapting their stance, not changing their stance. The interpretation of the victim has become the story. Being offended is the reason. Penalties applied to the fan is the proof of racism.

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Anonymous  
Last year

snooch is a dickhead. I don't need to explain anything any further than that.

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snooch  
Last year

Hahahaha well I'm offended.

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Isaac  
Last year

I wonder if a comparison that isn't negative isn't quite in the "sickening remarks" territory as indicated by news.com.au's URL in OP's post? But I can appreciate that I haven't experienced life from a position of minority, so I wouldn't be particularly sensitive to remarks. Given Mills' response, he feels like it was offensive rather than just hairstyle heckling.

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paul  
Last year

Well said rjd, nailed it. Those who purport to be for tolerance are often the most intolerant.

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AngusH  
Last year

@ rdj; long post, but I think Isaac basically nailed it. Maybe I should have said "Australians of European descent" instead of "white people", but I'm both of those things and I'd say it describes the most vocal majority of folks that feel the need to get into these debates. Like I said above also, I don't think the comment was particularly racist (stupid, yes), but it's arrogant to think that I know how a minority would or should react to a comment like that.

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paul  
Last year

"Australians of European descent"

So some people who survived or are descendants of genocide like acts in:

- The holocaust
- Poland
- Armenia
- Balkans
- Ireland

Seeing the world through a black/white prism leaves you blind to so much of what actually happens in this world.

I wonder if it is a case of some people viewing the world through America culture, because it's so pervasive, so they get stuck into thinking that is the world.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Bravo paul.

Judging Europeans solely on their skin colour instead of family history of persecution as listed above, is racist as well. Funny how it works both ways, huh?

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AngusH  
Last year

Thanks Paul, and apologies to all Polish/Armenian/Balkan/Irish/Jewish people I offended on hoops.com.au.

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