Anonymous
Earlier this year

Hire set to remain a Wildcat

Article in the West Australian reporting Gleeson said Hire is still a part of the Wildcats plans for next year and has a lot to offer. He is hoping the SBL helps him find his form again.

Unable to find an online like atm.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Online link*

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-west-australian/20180512/282475709467836

The story is hidden behind a paywall however

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ME  
Earlier this year

He's up there with Brendan Teys and Kevin white as guys who are essentially useless yet keep getting gigs. surely there are some young ballers with bright futures who could fill their very average places.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think he's as done as much as the next guy. But if hes willing to take on that 10/11 spot on the roster and earn peanuts, its kind of worth it for the cats. He provides the continuance of that culture that has kept the cats competitive for 10+ years. Plus the leadership and demonstration of work ethic that can help shape a season for an incoming import or new signing.

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Cat's 4 life  
Earlier this year

Love what he stands for on and off the court. Perth boy ect but it's a basketball team and you need to get as much as you can from each player on the roster.

For mine didn't show enough even when fit to get a roster spot. If they want him around the club give him an assistant job, think Perth arena has a few to spare to stick on the bench. Soon the bench will be wrapped around court side.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Link for anyone who wants to read the article

https://outline.com/YCTGym

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

Would've preferred Jervis.
Will provide more of a locker room presence than anything else.
For 9-11 spots on the roster Steindl, Vague and Hire are on par with most in the league.

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Titan 20  
Earlier this year

Whilst I'm sure theres plenty of critics out there - theres been a large turnover of players and I'm sure he would be the first to acknowledge he didn't have the best season last year... but it simply can't be a case of there is no one else good enough to be a recognised leader. He's been voted as a Vice-Captain by his peers for a number of seasons, his effort and hustle are always consistent and while he isn't a volume shooter he has been around that 37% - 40% percentage mark as a 3 point shooter. There's no doubt the calf injury was a setback, especially to reinjure it. He's a massive part of the culture, all this talk about Teys and White, speak to any of there team mates and they will vouch for the importance they play in the team, just look at Damo's IG post.

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Mark  
Earlier this year

As a vice captain he might see that it is in the best interests of the club if he did retire .

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Titan 20  
Earlier this year

@Mark

If the club saw no value in him why would they offer him a contract?

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

Perth look to be going with an import centre.
Hopefully they get it right this year

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

People always think youth = value, but it isn't always the case. A young kid with little experience at a professional level sitting at the end of the bench isn't as valuable as a GF experienced veteran who also leads by example and has strong leadership skills such as Hire. Of course you need a mix and balance between bringing through new players and veterans.... but so many people dismiss the things guys like Hire can bring. Just because he isn't dropping 20 it doesn't mean he doesn't help the team in intangible ways.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I will be very interested to see who they bring in as their imports.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Brandt needs to come off the bench so perth needs a good import C

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AD  
Earlier this year

"Greg is still in our plans for the future," Gleeson said.

Can only hope and pray those plans don't include a playing spot.
Otherwise this is the worst possible outcome for that final local spot.

he certainly brings a long of enthusiasm and intensity, which is wasted when he can't get on the court because his production sucks. he used to be quite handy, but has gone backwards every year for a while.

Unfortunately this seems to indicate that the Cats will indeed comply with the 5 man cap. That means their import Centre is going to be another spud.
Also mean that the only option for backup SG is Steindl. God help us.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Unable to find an online like atm."

You certainly won't find one from me, although I'm guessing that fans of the 7 other teams won't be complaining

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

how much would Brandt and Wagstaff be on? If Vague/Hire/Stiendl are getting paid very close to the minimum, those 2 may be able to scrape in to make up the 5 players under 480k or what ever it is

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AD  
Earlier this year

I suspect Steindl may be on slightly above minimum, and Hire too. But even if not, I dodn't think you get Wagstaff and Brandt for $300k.
I think it still leaves them looking at a cheaper import.
I'm sure there are plenty of guys available for $100~150k. They're just not as good as the ones for $300k.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

For your 10th man, sometimes the off the court intangibles are more important than on court, because that position won't play much anyway. Hire ticks all the leadership and culture boxes and remains a good rebounder.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Agree about intangibles and 10th spot. Hopefully Steindl improves because his form next season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Pinder DP spot

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I had really hoped cats would have two Australian centres. Unless you pay Boone or Hakim Type money you get Cooke Jr. They could of had two Konger types playing and be a far more deadly time for finals.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

To choose a scrub like Hire over Jervis is mind numbing

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

Pure assumptions but Hire might be on or close to minimum.
Vague and Steindl also with those three sitting at around $180K.
Leaves $300K for two more players of which Wagstaff is likely one.

Would hope the Wildcats could find a decent import 5 cheaply otherwise it would be good to go with Jervis and start season with 2 imports.
Allows insurance for any serious injury to Martin or any other key Aussie.

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AD  
Earlier this year

"For your 10th man, sometimes the off the court intangibles are more important than on court, because that position won't play much anyway. "

What people often forget is that it is also about development, and also about depth.
I don't expect Vague to play huge minutes, but you'd hope he improves. Even Steindl has a few years left in him. Hire will be 32 this year, and is going backwards.
Depth is important in your locals, whether its LTIs, or just foul trouble, because your bench guys are the first ones you need to step up. Whenever there is an LTI, people always focus on the "replacement" but what's important is the quality of the guy who's actually going to see a big increase in his minutes.

And ultimately, if it comes down to a choice between Hire, Jervis, or a young gun for that last local slot, Hire would be my last choice.

I also don't like the lack of depth behind the 2 and 3 spots.

It looks like what we're going to have is this:
Martin/Norton
Cotton/Steindl
"Tokoto"/ Hire
Kay/ Wagstaff/ Vague
Brandt/ "Cooked"

If we must go for a cheapo import for our 3rd, I would rather see Big Tommy on the bench at 5, and bring in a cheap import 2/3 to come off the bench.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LTIs?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Long term injury

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AD  
Earlier this year

Hire will be 31 this year /thumbs

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I really don't understand the fascination everyone seems to have with this guy. He is past it, time to move on.

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AD  
Earlier this year

The fascination is really around wanting to see what the Cats do with their last local slot, and the fear they will take the easy route and retain Hire.

A Bench that contains, Hire, Steindl, Vague, an aging Wagstaff, and a Derek Cooke lookalike, does not inspire confidence.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I agree AD, but what I meant was so many seem to be on Hire's d*ck which baffles me.

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AD  
Earlier this year

So this just got a bit more intriguing.

Cats now have 8 Locals.
I'm hoping this means that Hire will have an off-court role, be a training player, and injury replacement

Or, could it be that the Cats intend to run initially with only two imports??

If they need to comply with the 5 man cap, that could be a reason.

Along with Wagstaff, Jervis, Vague, and Steindl, its probably easier to fit Hire rather than even a budget import.

But yeah, if they could somehow afford him, would love to see Walker back, to come off the bench in the 2 and 3.
Supposedly he's good friends with Cotton

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Red 38  
Earlier this year

Lucas Walker is gone.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Devondrick Walker

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NRG  
Earlier this year

I'm sure AD is referring to Devondrick Walker, the import that the Wildcats signed 1 year ago and got injured pre-season

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AD  
Earlier this year

Hire is going to be interesting. Options basically are:

-Sign him and have 2 imports. Don't see Perth going with 2 imports given the quality of the league, slim chance if they spend huge and got 2 amazing ones.

-Sign him and release another player to have 3 imports. Pretty unlikely, only one I could see them release is Stiendl, but even that's pretty unlikely unless Stiendl asks to leave.

-keep him as a 'Lucus Walker' type train on/injury replacement with a job at the club. Probably the most likely. Walker had a good impact on the group and Hire would do the same. Hire was originally wanting to be the strength and conditioning coach before he got signed.

-dont sign him, have no role at the club. Would be sad to see him go but a likely scenario imo behind being a train on/have a job.
I think they have made it clear it won't be option 4.
Option 3 is a good one. He is actually a top bloke, and vaunted for his offcourt and community work, so keeping him that capacity and as TP/LTI replacement makes sense.

I wouldn't have minded Hire as their 11th man, but they have already signed Vague to give them depth at the 4 & 3.

Basically they have 3 spots to fill:
Starting SG - Cotton
Starting SF - Tokoto or similar
Backup 2 or 3
If they use Steindl to backup the 2, they could use Hire to backup the 3, as in recent seasons, but I'm not sold on that solution.
They already have plenty of bigs if they want to run tall.
I'd rather see them use that 3rd import slot to pick up a cheap 2/3. I feel that for the same dollars you'll find more guys to fit that mold.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"I'm hoping this means that Hire will have an off-court role, be a training player, and injury replacement"

Why? Usually when players aren't good enough they leave the NBL. Why are so many including yourself so super concerned about setting him up with some off court role? I'm truly baffled by the fasciniation many on here have with this bench player.

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AD  
Earlier this year

You're missing the point, and in effect have it backwards.

Yes, Greg has been a "great servant of the team" etc, etc, blah, blah,
but yes his time is up, and I'd be happy to see him retire, stick to his counseling job and play SBL.

HOWEVER
Gleeson has already come out and said Hire still has a future with the Wildcats.
So given that, we're hoping that "future" is off court rather than on court.

Were it not for Gleeson's comments, I'd have assumed that Tommy's signing was the end of Hire, and thought no more of it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I already said to you I understand.

But even before the roster spots became thin months ago people were in awe of him strangely.

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AD  
Earlier this year

I guess part of it is that he's a genuinely nice guy. Cats have always emphasized community work, but Greg does a lot at his own instigation, and its stuff you only hear about through the local grapevine.
He's also been loyal. There was a time he was a half-decent player, and still playing 3rd fiddle on the bench, and was reportedly offered a bigger role elsewhere.

Plus I think some still hope he can recapture his best form.

And when it comes to talking about an off-court role, for most players we'd just think "oh great, jobs for the boys, why can't he get a real job?" but with Hire there's a feeling it may be a genuinely good fit.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Thanks AD for the explanation.

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