Isaac
Earlier this year

Kyle Adnam leaves United for Kings

After three great years with the Club, Melbourne United and Kyle Adnam have mutually agreed to part ways to allow him to pursue opportunities elsewhere.

We thank Kyle for his contribution, and wish him all the best for his next chapter.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Elsewhere... hmmm

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this year

Cairns pls

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sad to see him leave but probably better for him and the club, wish him all the best.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Surprising - would assume Melbourne are going with Daniel Dillon instead. His minutes decreased towards the end of the season.

Destinations
Cairns - No since Kenny is signed - would've signed him instead if available
Brisbane - No Gibson and Cadee signed
Sydney - Maybe Wilson is the only back up guard
Illawarra - Could be if Rhys Martin doesn't return and would add speed
New Zealand - Would assume not since Weeks and Ili are signed
Adelaide - Would be an upgrade on Teys and could see him backing up an import
Perth - No since Martin and Norton are signed.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Girl friend is in Adelaide, there or the gong I'd say.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

United is giving him a year off so he can cope with his impending puberty.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Well at least he has a girlfriend to help him with that!!

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LV  
Earlier this year

Sad to see him go. All the best Wild Kyle

United current roster:

Bigs: Smith-Milner
Forwards: Trist, Barlow, Moller
Guards: Goulding, Hooley

2 Aussies and 3 import spots available.

Rumoured: Pledger.

Gone: Majok, Wesley, Adnam.

Unknown status: Andersen, Dillon.

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AD  
Earlier this year

Going back to finish Primary School?

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LV  
Earlier this year

True I didn't mention other DPs like Von Hofe or Sam Short

Who's the really really tall Chinese guy? He must be 7 foot 1 or more. If he a legit DP or is it more a sponsorship thing? Is he any good?

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United Sauce  
Earlier this year

He is absolute trash. I watched him play in uniteds off season league and lets just say he made tohi and a bunch of youth league guys look like stars.

Sam short is still a DP and isn't good enough to be elevated. Von hoffe is playing really well in seabl

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not certain von Hoffe defence ready for nbl yet.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

United's Chinese training player is Xiang Yu Meng or Jet Meng a 7'2" centre who spent some time at the IMG Academy in the US.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Let's hope Trist plays beetr in the NBL that over the last w/e of seable games. Bye Adnam. 3 years of your hand in the cookie jar. Off to oblivion hopefully.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Rumour is Sydney if you believe rumours.

Yes Trist will have to get a lot better, he's no taller than Wesley either. Early days though..

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"All the best Wild Kyle"

You mean Wild Child Kyle

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Curtley  
Earlier this year

If it's Sydney after all the locals they already have 'under the cap' there will be riots in the streets of seven other cities.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They didn't part ways, asked him to look elsewhere, United chasing Corey Webster, won championship with Dean at the breakers. Adnan going to the Kings to replace Cadee. Good friends with Randle from his Adelaide days. Von Hofe is also out.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sooooo, anon, tell me more about your knowledge of Corey Webster signing with Melbourne? Go on, I'll wait.........

He’s not negotiating with Melb mate. He’ll be in NZ or Europe.

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United Sauce  
Earlier this year

What.

Adnam never played with Randle in ADL...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Got to love these scoops, don't even think Adnam knows about his friendship with Randle from their days in Adelaide.

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Thunder Jam  
Earlier this year

If Kelly wants him it's Cairns. Only have Kenny as bench guard at present.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney according to Lachy Reid. Gaze and JVG going with the Melbourne Kings off the bench. Pineau, Wilson, Adnam.

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Jarra  
Earlier this year

Not sure how Corey Webster would fit in at United, he's a genuine shooting guard? Would seem a strange move. If they're going with imports at the point, 2 and 5 that's the starting 5.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

That's because he’s not going to Melbourne Jarra. Clearly the anon that started that also thought Adnam and Randle played together

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Whoever called him trash is a douche. He is a good PG. a great back up and has an excellent work ethic. Joey loves him, maybe he will return to Adelaide. BUT sixers already have Doyle at 5'9 and Adnam, whilst taller is another small quick guard. I think he will go to Sydney.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney have announced his signing.

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Benno  
Earlier this year

@anon He is not a great backup melbourne would of kept him otherwise. He struggled hard defending opposition point guards and got exposed easily. Hooley took his minutes because he is a better defender and better offensively.

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Ariel 92  
Earlier this year

All this highlights to me is how dumb Adelaide were to sign Doyle to a three year deal.

I would much rather Adnam over Doyle.

Even if Joey prefers Doyle, he should have been signed on a year-to-year deal - we were not competing for his services with other clubs. This would at least give Adelaide some negotiating power now that better players are readily available on the free agent market. If Doyle was a free agent this year, how many clubs would be interested?

While Sydney and United are going crazy retooling, we aren't in a position to pounce on opportunities which arise from this due to poor player and contract management. Now we are in a tough spot where we may have to turn away Teys (our captain and someone who provides more value than Doyle) to upgrade our team. It's not a good look and at the end of the day, we are worse off for it.

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Boti Nagy Child Star  
Earlier this year

Doyle will be fine.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Terrible call to sign him for anything longer than one year at a time. A lazy piece of work by the coach, and just another reason why the Sixers don't win championships.

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

Sydney would be logical choice perhaps the only choice.
Adnam, Deng, Wilson, Pineau and an import as there 5 under 480K.
Collectively not a strong bench at all but keeping a spare import spot available helps if there is an injury to any of there starters is a good idea.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Bench looks better when you consider Kickert is likely 6th man, depending on the import 4.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

just another reason why the Sixers don't win championships.
Ah yes, that crucial 11th man. And all for Adnam who racked up the minutes last season in Melbourne... But for Childress' injury and that Sobey call, I suspect Adelaide would've won that series 3-1.


Ariel 92, since when are we in a tough spot where we might need to turn away Teys? And is this the first person who's cared about Teys' spot in the roster to that level of concern?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Seriously might have to think about my Kings loyalty now. He's not a go to player at all. A streaky / sometimes hot 3 point shooter is about it. Terrible JVG signing IMO.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Isaac, not because of the 11th man. Rather, citing Doyle's contract length as one more example of what I consider to be the coach's poor decision making.

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cavolo  
Earlier this year

Anon, what about all of the other coach's decisions that he has clearly made or influenced that has brought the club within a few whiskers of a championship, made the GF another year, played finals each year (except maybe one?), helped develop numerous players, especially young ones, plays a game style that has brought the fans back and with their consistent winning seasons. All while the club has had uncertainty and financial restraints that Perth, NZ and Melb haven't had the last 4 (?) or so years....

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Well said Cavolo.

Also, I think the trash comment was regarding the Chinese player, not Adam. At least that's how I read it.

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United Sauce  
Earlier this year

Yeah my bad. The 'trash' reference was towards the Chinese development player

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LV  
Earlier this year

People being harsh on Adnam here

At one end of the court he's definitely NBL standard. Anyone who can hit 23 in a game, and put up the kind of numbers in NZNBL is obviously comfortable enough with the ball in his hands and dangerous enough that you'd never leave him open. At the other end he has some obvious weaknesses due to his size.

It depends who he's playing alongside. I wouldn't ever play him with Randle. But if Lisch is the other guard on the floor- a strong, tough, elite defender, then Adnam may not be exposed as much. Especially if Bogut is there protecting the paint.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Plenty of short players around. The only difference is the good one's can defend. Shoot 23 in an NBL great, what did his opponents score?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Doyle gets exposed defensively and does not really add much offensively either, Adnam would be a massive upgrade. The Doyle contract has come back to bite us here, Adelaide would be perfect for Adnam being the primary back up for a team that will suit an import PG probably on a low budget. If the budget import struggles Adnam could have been in for big minutes for us but will now get limited chances behind Randle.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

^^^^
Agreed 100%, Adnam would've been great fit at 36ers

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Plus he's one of Joey's 'boys' so would've got a look by him.

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SteveK2  
Earlier this year

IMHO good pickup for the Kings. Its almost like-for-like replacement for Cadee. Despite the concern he wouldn't get much minutes, I think he'll get at least 15 a game with possibly more if they blowout teams early.

They'll likely try to conserve Randle & Lisch for later part of the season if possible, so its in Adnam's best interest to do well with his allotted time. His defense should improve as well under those the tutelage of those two & he definitely has the work ethics. It will work out well IMHO.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

> Its almost like-for-like replacement for Cadee

hahahahahahahhahahahahaahha

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Ariel 92  
Earlier this year

Isaac, my thoughts on the situation are simple. Unnecessarily locking up Doyle for three years (a head scratching decision at the time) has cost us the opportunity to sign a better player in his position. It also means if we were to sign a third import in addition to Creek, we would be sacrificing Teys in the process and keeping Doyle. IMO, Teys > Doyle - particularly in an 11th man role.

Without a third import, Teys should be our 11th man for the upcoming season. He provides leadership, can defend multiple positions and is a team first player. Whilst I understand the criticism of his game, Teys is a more than serviceable to be our last contracted player. This will be especially valuable if Creek and Childress do not return as they were our best leaders last year. Regardless of how trivial some may consider the 11th spot, if we can use it to keep a better player and leader in the squad we should be doing it.


To me, our biggest flaw last season was back end depth. After Childress' injury, the last three players suiting up in the finals series were Teys, Doyle and Larkins. I would personally take Adnam over all three of these options and he would be a perfect fit alongside someone like Moore or Sobey in spot minutes. I don't believe this is the reason we lost the championship but I do believe we would improve with this signing.

Right now I'm looking at a team who was so close to winning a championship possibly losing two of their best three players (and leaders) and being hamstrung to improve their depth based on poor decisions in the past. We should be leaving no stone unturned in looking for ways to improve, however marginal.

Because we signed Doyle to a three year deal (in a situation where he had already injured his ACL and no other teams were competing for his signature), we have limited our team building options for this year and in the process lost an opportunity to get someone like Adnam. When compared to Doyle, he is putting up better numbers in a much tougher competition this offseason. IMO, he is easily the better option.

If contracts were managed properly, we could sign Adnam, retain Teys and not renew Doyle. Two backup sub six foot PGs is one too many and we have missed out on the more talented option.

I would have preferred a team like this:


Moore / Adnam
Sobey / McVeigh
Import or Creek / Drmic / Teys
Import (hopefully Childress) / Froling
DJ / Deng

If Creek returns and we can afford three imports, do not sign Teys, reinstall Creek as captain and sign a budget SEABL import more ready to contribute than Doyle.

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

I don't know where to begin. Frolling is the replacement for Hodgson he is a back up centre. Moore won't be starting but rather backing up Sobey at the point. McVeigh is not a shooting guard.

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Ariel 92  
Earlier this year

Oops, my mistake Zodiac - swap Froling & Deng and McVeigh & Drmic. I meant for Deng to play 4 and Froling 5.

Personally, I would be starting Moore at PG and playing Sobey at SG. We need them on the court rather than splitting minutes.

Further to your point, if we have Sobey and Moore as PGs, even more reason why we shouldn't have signed Doyle to a three year deal!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Always question guys who cannot hack the college grind. The NBL is a big step up from what they were in. Gonna be interesting......

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

No worries Ariel 92. I'm not keen of the idea of Sobey & Moore splitting time at the point either but the roster is going to remain in a state of flux I would assume until the team knows what Creek will be doing as they want to keep an import spot spare to potentially replace Creek with.

Unfortunately the makeup of the Sixers roster might not even be known until the season starts if Creek gets an NBA training camp invite he might not get cut (assuming he doesn't make it) until late October.

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UseTaHoop  
Earlier this year

SteveK2

"They'll likely try to conserve Randle & Lisch for later part of the season if possible, so its in Adnam's best interest to do well with his allotted time."

Conserving important players shows management of player minutes to prevent injuries and fatigue. Sydney's recent history shows the opposite of this. Randle, Lisch, Newley all over-played in recent seasons.

“His defense should improve as well under those the tutelage of those two”. Definitely in training and scrimmage situations. Will he be given much opportunity in games? Maybe when Lisch or Randle get injured with their excessive workloads. This has already happened to Lisch, and a Randle is getting older.


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WookieE  
Earlier this year

Once again a thread descends into a discussion about the 36ers lineup... nice...

Not sure whose great idea this was, but being able to rest key players in Randle and Lisch all comes down to whether Gaze trusts Adnam & Wilson to play 10mpg each... With extra talent on board, that might help them actually get some leads so that he doesn't have to run Randle and Lisch at 38mpg because the team was losing and they needed them out there, but history dictates that he will want to get as much out of his top tier players as he can to get a win at the time and the rest of the season be damned...

Time will tell, I guess...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The problem with Wilson and Adnam while both being reasonable offensive players there D can let them down, you would not try play both on court at the same time.

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SteveK2  
Earlier this year

Well, "try" is the keyword. Depending on who are being recruited for the remaining two spots, Adnam will get minutes in the backcourt since they don't have anyone else, yet.

An import big will likely take up one spot, the last is ideally a versatile D in the mould of Craig but if nothing works out, it could be another guard that will then take minutes away from the Blondies. We'll see.

A lot depends on the type of the last 2 recruits. If they get the right defensive players to complement Bogut, Deng & Pineau then it will significantly offset Adnam's, Wilson's & Kickert's deficiencies.

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WookieE  
Earlier this year

What they do with their last signings is a good point, as looking at the team below, I think we're making assumptions at what they should be going after...

Randle* | Adnam
Lisch | Wilson
Newls | ???
Kickert | Deng | Pineau
Bogues | ???


Blanchfields leaving, while freeing up cash (assuming) and someone who didn't really seem that involved and would make a lot of premature and incorrect decisions when on the court, really leaves that backup SF spot empty...

I'm at least assuming they need a defensive big to back up Bogues and that backup SF spot, is that obvious to everyone else?

Surely they would be bordering on stupid to not take into account at least Lisch's injury history as that's more due to wear and tear and being overworked compared to Bogut's more "car accident injuries" (according to Mr Bogut) ones, but also need to factor that in somehow as well...

Some Questions:
- More immediately, are the Kings finished splashing the cash around?
- Is it just going to be two role players to fill the spots? Could they maybe be targeting a higher quality SF to either look toward the future and add some punch with Newls coming off the bench again? *cough*McCarron*cough*
- Will Adnam and Wilson be able to take the load if Lisch goes down?
- If not, what else are the options? Moving Newls to the 2, which means the Kings need a more skilled backup 3 option?
- What if Bogues goes down? Will Deng be able to step up to start if the Kings have to start at the 5 if the back up option is a cheaper one?

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

An import big in the Jameel McKay mould would be a good backup option for Bogut.
The small forward spot might be harder to fill again they could go cheaper import, not sure what local free agents are available.

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SteveK2  
Earlier this year

Educated guess is 1 will be a decent import & the other is likely a roleplayer type. May get lucky with a decent one willing to sign for less after SL.

Deng is 3/4 more than 4/5. He'd be Newl's main backup for now. Not sure where he's at right now. Few years ago, he was a better prospect than Majok Deng but Lebanon, China & Finland are not really the best leagues to develop his talents.

He does have good defensive instincts & still a terrific weakside rim protector. Maybe a viable 5 for smallball lineup.

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WookieE  
Earlier this year

Cool, thanks for the extra info, didn't think Deng could have gone down to the 3, but will be interesting to see where they go...

McKay could be a decent cheaper option... How's he gone since leaving the NBL though?

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AD  
Earlier this year

Be interesting to see if they intend to comply with the 5-man cap, and if so how they slip the remaining allocation.
Presumably Pineau and Wilson wouldn't be getting much more than the minimum, maybe a bit more for Adnam. Do they split the rest 50/50, or go for another minimum leaving a chunk for somebody half decent?

There's a lot of old blokes in that lineup, I can't see them being too sharp at the pointy end of the season. And lets face it, not like Gaze is known for managing his players well.

Interesting to see how good Deng is. He may be better suited to a 3/4 type role.

For the remaining big spot, do you need a Rim protecting like McKay, or somebody with more offensive tools?

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

McKay got cut by his team in Spain during the pre-season.

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SteveK2  
Earlier this year

That was awhile ago, he signed in Japan & got cut then recently signed in LKL. I heard he got cut again. Either way McKay should be available now. LKL season is concluding.

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