The bear
Earlier this year

NBA Finals: Cavs vs Warriors, Game 3

Pity they will not get to win the title in front of their home crowd.whitewash 4-0
Le bron your a loser.attitude problem.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

*YAWN*

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Fryz  
Earlier this year

There was nothing about that KD dagger that was yawn. Absolutely savage.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Ah, the brilliant specimen of human that is "The bear" who can't appreciate that someone just played 47 minutes, had a 33/10/11 triple double with a couple of steals and a couple of blocks, and couldn't get his outclassed team over the line. Who can't appreciate that the opposition is stacked so much rules should be changed to prevent their assembling (two MVPs, a Finals MVP and a DPOTY, oh and a guy who scored 37 points in a single quarter). Who can't find a decent way to express their opinion. And who can't remember the difference between "your" and "you're".

Loser, indeed. Your ursine pals would be proud.

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Fryz  
Earlier this year

Also savage.

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

What more could LeBron possibly do, gives 110% every time on the court.
Cavs will go back to a lottery team when he leaves.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

My yawn is for the inevitability of this series.

Totally agree re: LeBron what else can he do vs. these stackers.

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anon  
Earlier this year

My heart breaks for Lebron.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I wonder if LeBron could get Finals MVP. Averaging 38/9/11, i wonder if they'd ever consider going with someone from a losing side.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

NBA is loving this as this means LeBron will have to bail on the Cavs they can't get the pieces around him that he needs to compete vs. GSW. At least the drama of where he goes during this off season is going to make up for the boring outcome of this NBA season. KD ruined everything.

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Tornado  
Earlier this year

Isaac...unfortunately Lebron is a victim of his own circumstances. I don't think the rules should be changed now just to suit him?!

The moment he decided to start this influx of super teams over at Miami and was bragging about winning 5, 6, 7 Championships without even having played a game, he and the NBA lost me.

Other teams had no choice but to build super teams of their own in order to compete. The amusing thing is, the Warriors predominantly drafted their team unlike Miami at the time.

This super team era has diluted the talent pool & made the NBA predictable and boring, in my opinion.

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Lebron and loser just doesn't go in the same sentence.

I am not a LBJ fan but I recognise whe efforts he is putting in dragging this carcass of a team all the way to the GF is a huge achievement in itself.

If people only look at Lebron's GF win/loss then they are ignoring a lot of other facts.

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FCF  
Earlier this year

Was Boston not a super team with KG, Pierce, Allen and Rondo?

Was LA not a super team with Kobe?

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Isaac...unfortunately Lebron is a victim of his own circumstances. I don't think the rules should be changed now just to suit him?!

The moment he decided to start this influx of super teams over at Miami and was bragging about winning 5, 6, 7 Championships without even having played a game, he and the NBA lost me.


Spot on LeBron started all this when he couldn't win in Cleveland so they set up that super team in Miami and even then only won 2 titles in their four years together. People forget too the only reason he left Miami was because Riley wouldn't bend the knee to him and allow LeBron and his boys to take over the show like they're pretty much now doing back in Cleveland.

You reap what you sow and any sympathy for LeBron is misguided.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I don't feel sorry for Lebron.. Lebron took his talents to Miami who over the years had or acquired Wade, Bosh, Miller, Rashard Lewis, Ray Allen, Mike Bibby plum many others etc. It was arguably a super team when he arrived.

Lets be realistic would you want to play with Westbrook??

GSW play the best team ball, yes they still ISO but their off the ball movement is totally different to nearly all other NBA teams.
For example i think Draymon Green would average half the assists on any other team as no other team has shooters like Klay and Steph.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Good points. That's why MJ is the GOAT.

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Tornado  
Earlier this year

FCF...Boston were, but they were 3 guys nearing the end of their careers and that team lasted what, 2 years with 1 title?

As for the Lakers which era are you referring to?

The point still remains...in the Lebron era, teams felt they needed to follow suit to challenge where as in the era's of the Boston team other teams didn't feel they needed to go that route to be competitive.

And for those that think LBJ is the GOAT over Jordan need to refer back to some footage. Look at the defense LBJ plays against today (and often whinges) compared to that which Jordan had to endure. It was a lot more physical in Jordan's era and the rules have been changed since to allow for more free flowing offense because at the end of the day the NBA today is modelled for the spectator.

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The bear  
Earlier this year

We all know le bron is the best player going around,but,his attitude towards people stinks.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

durant ruined the NBA, go damn

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Isaac how much did you lose on the cavs today?

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Isaac...unfortunately Lebron is a victim of his own circumstances. I don't think the rules should be changed now just to suit him?!
Not to suit him, but for the better of all teams. I actually go for GSW (out of these two teams anyway) and don't like Cleveland, but I didn't like the consolidation of power at Miami either. I liked when there was a stud at each team - Bosh heading up one team, Wade at another, etc.

Put a hard cap on teams but remove the player maximums. That will start to spread the talent around.


Anon, I don't typically bet on the NBA and haven't this season at all. Easier to have an advantage in the NBL. My gripe is people who are too lazy to assemble a remotely reasonable sentence.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Warriors have the 3 greatest shooters of all time, one of them is the greatest scorer the game has ever seen. draymond is allowed to get away with whatever he wants even when he gets a tech the refs are scared to give the next one that was clearly deserved.

Any championship KD gets is worth zero

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Any championship KD gets is worth zero"

This. GSW were so much more enjoyable without him and didn't need him to win titles. What a waste of talent. Worst of all he couldn't beat them when at OKC the minute after he lost to them he bails to them! Spineless!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Anyone else miss the time where watching GSW was exciting because of their sacrifice and willingness to play true team first ball with streaks of individual brilliance? I do.
Can't stand watching them now, it's no longer true sacrifice and true team ball, sooner or later an all star level player will be the guy that gets a slither of room, which is enough.

You hold Klay and Steph down so KD goes bonkers.

NBA is now boring.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Any championship KD gets is worth zero


Yes, this is going to be foremost in KD's mind on Sunday afternoon.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

I preferred the Warriors before too. They're still a superb team-oriented team, but something about the dynamic for Curry and Klay was more interesting to watch in the past.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Isaac exactly - it was because GSW from being a hopeless franchise for years became the top team organically via the draft. No super team shennanigans. All of a sudden you had Klay, Curry and Green who weren't projected as stars forming an incredible team.

Then they added an unnecessary piece that took away from the Klay & Curry offensive show and further weakened other NBA teams. What a shame and a waste. Just another super team now.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Look what Lebron could have had if a few major changes didn't happen. Would have had Wiggins instead of Love and if Kyrie had been happy, could have kept him instead of the junk they got. Maybe would have been better to have some growing pains instead of going for a win now scenario. But then never know how Wiggins would have developed under Lebrons shadow. Now if Lebron leaves what do they have, Love, George Hill and the 8th pick in draft. Maybe theyre hoping to strike it rich again if he goes and returns again when they have another 3 top picks.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

I am neither here nor there for super stacked teams.

As a Celtics fan I got to enjoy the Boston Three Party.

Although the Miami Super-Friends ended the Boston run, they were still fun to watch and didn't have it all their own way Eg. Game 7 against SAS.

But do you guys honestly believe that the Golden State Warriors would be better (to watch, to follow) with Harrison Barnes instead of KD?

Why would anyone want Harrison Barnes on their team for $23m when you can have Kevin Durant for $25m?

You are basically saying that GSW would be 'better' if their roster was a bit shittier so the Splash Bros can do their thang.

If Harrison Barnes were on the roster, Cleveland might have won the Championship last season.

If Harrison Barnes were on the roster, Houston would be up 2-0 against Cleveland right now.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Exactly our point. It would mean less inevitability of GSW winning, i.e. more interesting.

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maxymoo  
Earlier this year

GSW need to enjoy this one .....Banners are going to be Boston green next season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It will be GSW for the next 3 years at least. You might feel like it's close but you just have to watch when the warriors turn it on at their will.

4 all stars, 2 MVPS all in their prime. What’s the level above super team? Even comparing Bosh and Lebron going to Miami is insulting.

Moral of the story is that KD ruined the NBA.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

The sense of inevitably certainly kills the joy of the playoffs. I didn't watch today and am not gonna bother watching any further games. Its done as a spectacle.

Those that defended KDs move as not leading to this situation have to now admit it has played out exactly as well expected.

Yeah I disliked the Miami super team as well, but that was 1 MVP level player, with two regular all stars. The Warriors are two MVP level players with a further 2 all stars. It just adds to it that their players compliment each other more so than that Miami group too.

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this year

Anon #691711, Durant is no way the greatest scorer of all time. Today was his highest ever playoff points total wasn't it? That says a lot

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KET  
Earlier this year

Spurs are the all class team

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

NBA should have put a hard cap in years ago. A fundamental non-act that has resulted in what we have now.

Owners and teams will happily pay luxury tax to have a successful team as jersey sales, sponsorship and air time simply offsets the luxury tax. I mean the luxury tax can't be too much of a deterrent if team(s) are still incurring it?


Its one of the reasons I cant get too excited for the NBA results..you've got teams winning who have a $135m payroll against teams who are spending $90m. Shock Horror. Similar to thw hollow Man City EPL results. P.s. to clarify im not saying Cavs payroll is $90m.

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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

Got a respect lebron as the best player possibly ever. Cavs must be regretting not trading Irving for George when they had the chance. Now lebron basically got love and junk to carry.

Jordan has all stars in pippen Rodman grant Armstrong plus Harper and kukoc.

Warriors got 4 all stars

Spurs did it with Robinson Duncan Parker ginobli - although they got some huge draft steals. Managed to get kawhi Leonard for George hill!!!

It shows even the best players need a couple of all stars to be a championship chance.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

Looking back at that Miami team, I think they weren't quite the superteam we made out at the time.

Bosh was terribly overrated..Wade was obviously still an AS but if you look at his numbers his scoring output reduced (18ppg one year!)

The problem is as identified above GS could roll easily for the next 3 years. Id hate to see the state of the NBA if this continues. I really cant see any teams coming up in the next few years to dethrone them. Only way they go down is if they break up because of $ issues or other teams make some big FA moves

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong only became all-stars the year after Jordan first retired, and they only made one appearance each in their careers. The first three Bulls titles hardly came from stacked teams - it was Jordan putting on the most phenomenal Finals performances.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Jordan and Pippen with a heap of guys playing roles well suited to them.

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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

Jordan and pippen both part of dream team.
Rodman - one of the best rebounders and defenders in history of nba
Armstrong and grant - both all stars
Ron Harper - clippers best player before going to bulls
Kukoc- rated best euro player at the time
Longley - while overall average he was one of the best passing centres

Not stacked? Your kidding.

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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

Bulls had a lot of very good players play there during Jordan's years there. There were not any real super teams back then but having 2 dream team players (only Utah had 2 in 92 team) was a huge advantage back then. Throw in Rodman later on and you have a team that borders on a super team. Would love to see Jordan play on a team without any other stars. Only time we really saw this was at Washington when he was out of prime.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

NBA should have put a hard cap in years ago. A fundamental non-act that has resulted in what we have now.


The NBA tried through the the Owners association during the negotiation of the CBA. Owners of course wanted a hard cap but the players association wouldn't have a bar of it.

The horse has bolted, hard cap is not coming back.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Jordan and pippen both part of dream team.
Rodman - one of the best rebounders and defenders in history of nba
Armstrong and grant - both all stars
Ron Harper - clippers best player before going to bulls
Kukoc- rated best euro player at the time
Longley - while overall average he was one of the best passing centres


You make it sound like they were all in the same squad. They weren't.

Armstrong was a rookie when they started winning, Grant was a very serviceable role player but hardly an all-star at that time. The other starters were John Paxon and Bill Catwright @ Centre. A team with Bill Cartwright at the 5 is not stacked.

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Tornado  
Earlier this year

Isaac...my apologies and I agree. It not only brings back that element of doubt as to who might win night in night out but it also holds coaches and front offices more accountable as they have to rely a lot more on drafting & developing talent.

You wouldn't know if some of these front offices are good at their job or not...it's too easy to just throw cash at the best players and get them on 1 team for instant success.

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Tornado  
Earlier this year

Just quietly...this is how the NBL is heading too.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

The biggest mess was the salary cap rise for the 16/17 season (I think it was) - went from something like $70m to $94m in one season!

One season around 2015 or 2016 the Warriors are paying $80m (Still over the cap at that stage) and the next they are paying $111 (a 38% increase on its cap from a year ago!).



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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

> Ron Harper - clippers best player before going to bulls

Danny Manning and Dominique Wilkins would disagree.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Tornado the term you are looking for in sports management terms is "uncertainty of outcome". It's why as stated above English Premier League has become ho hum... but having said that their wasn’t this complaint about the NBA when Jordan and the Bulls went 72-10. Having said that, Houston were a Chris Paul hamstring away from knocking GSW off this year.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

5 things more interesting than this finals series:

1. The Ben Simmons-Blake Griffin-Tinashe-Jenner romantic square;

2. Seeing how many free finals games and perks Rachel De Mita can get for not really being talented or good at anything except being good looking;

3. The value of LBJs shorts-matched suit;

4. The memes that JR provided from his game 1 brainfade;

5. Listening to Kobe's sudden big involvement with talking basketball which unfortunately reeks of an attempt to get attention/stay relevant in conversations.

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Tornado  
Earlier this year

Anon...the Jordan era was stacked with teams full of dynamic duos though & most teams had at least 1 legitimate star (established or on the rise).

I'm not going to list them all but if you are a Basketball fan you will know.

Add to that, the NBA has moved from a purists version to an entertainment spectacle for the casual supporter. However, true hoops fans prefer the purist days where travels were called & defenders were allowed to defend.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

My two cents on why I think people didnt mind the 72-10 Bulls and their 90s dominance;

Because back then it still felt like anything could happen because the competition was genuine and the sport was a bit more pure. It felt that way.

The competition aspect has been taken away with GSW and the commercialisation of sport and money focus has contributed to that.

I.e. its harder to feel the competition when you have the $ involved in sport now. Sport just feels a bit more manufactured now whereas back then sport felt like a pure more even footing contest.

Its why I often love watching amateur sport on Sat mornings. So pure and all in the contest. We bet a rugby team 24-5. They came back and beat us 17-0 a few weeks later. Anything to bring me back to the high school days of sport.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You've nailed it MACDUB. It's way too commercial now and sanitised by way of weak defence.

"5. Listening to Kobe's sudden big involvement with talking basketball which unfortunately reeks of an attempt to get attention/stay relevant in conversations."

HAHAHHAHA agreed with all these points but this one I didn't really think of in this way but you are right. He wouldn't be doing it for the money.

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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

Considering manning and Wilkins both played half the season for the clippers as they got traded for each other, I'd say harper was overall the best player for that season as he played almost every game.

Bill Cartwright has career averages of 13ppg and 6rebs. Was also an all star in 1980. I’d take that!!! Was also a great defensive centre so saying he wasn’t good shows ignorance.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Are there any more stats you want to cherry pick to try and make a point?

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Because back then it still felt like anything could happen because the competition was genuine and the sport was a bit more pure. It felt that way.
Wait, someone just said that the Rockets were a chance to knock out the Warriors. And LeBron was a charge-turned-block and JR brain fade from taking G1 on the road.

GSW still trailed in G3 quite late.

They're obviously favourites, but it's not quite inevitable.

Of course, there's talk of Ariza joining the Warriors next season...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So Cartwright was an all star 11 years before he won a title with the Bulls... well bugger me

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

and Ron Harper was never the same play at the Clippers after he did his knee.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Hard to compare players from different era's etc.

However if you go back and look at GF series.
MJ dominated nearly every GF game.
Its that killer instinct and willingness not to lose on the biggest stage that separate's them.

Same cant be said for LeBron.
Going on the very generous side for a lot of these (gave him MVP's in plenty of losses) but lets give Bron the benefit of the doubt to try make an argument for him.

2007 - 2/4
2011 - If Heat won then Wade would have been MVP, hard to give him MVP in any of those 6 games at all.
2011 - 0/6
2012 - 2/5
2013 - 4/7
2014 - 2/5
2015 - 6/6
2016 - 3/7
2017 - 2/5
2018 -1/3

22/46 = 47%

So in 46 GF appearances he isnt even at a 50% strike rate.
That ladies & gentlemen separates the GOAT.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

MJ was a killer who went hard always. LeBron coasts through away games to give 100% at home. Some call it body management in the modern game but contrast that to the MJ flu game. Yeah, I know who I'm taking.

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Yinka Dare  
Earlier this year

Cartwright had 13ppg 6reb over a 16 year career. You don't do that being average. Draymond Green has career averages of 9ppg and 7rebs. To say the bulls were not stacked with him as a starter shows a lack of knowledge. He was also a very smart player —- hence why he has been coaching in the nba for many years. Sure he wasn’t a Ewing Olajuwon or Robinson, but the guy could play and had basketball smarts.

Harper averaged 20ppg 6 Rebs the season before going to the bulls.

The bulls had heaps of good players.

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Chewie  
Earlier this year

Laughing at yinka dare. The bulls core was solid, and its reflected with how they went with MJs 18 month baseball fantasy where they were still solid in the East.
But to talk up Cartwright when he probably averaged 5 or 6 pts a game for the bulls title runs is reaching. You may as well add George the iceman to the list of "allstars" Jordan had helping him as it's about as relevant.
The super teams of the 70s and 80s were probably more blatant than they are today, and the title results reflect this.

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