DribblingDave
Two months ago

What's your NBL team's biggest blunder?

In light of the 36ers incompetence - what's your teams worst mistake off the court? I know some clubs would have more than others

Lets start with the easiest - this is just my opinion, I'm sure there are bigger blunders

ADELAIDE - Ruining a positive run of news for the NBL, by not responding to claims they are stopping their home grown son from following his NBA dream because they lost money on the Ferguson deal and are desperate for cash.

MELBOURNE - Changing the name from Tigers to United and then claiming all other clubs previous championships, but also not. Creating a confusing history for fans. Or maybe signing that useless coach from a couple seasons ago.

WOLLONGONG/ILLAWARRA - Changing their name to Illawarra and then back to Wollongong and now Illawarra again. Or is it Wollongong?

NEW ZEALAND - Nothing really springs to mind. Maybe this year, with new ownership changing everything up.

CAIRNS - Not utilising Torrey Craig enough when they had him?

SYDNEY - Overall strategy in recent years when it comes to signing washed up imports with baggage. Childress was a good move though. Last season being the prime example of a shtty strategy and poor PR management when they were called out on it.

BRISBANE - I dunno

PERTH - Probably only winning 8 championships. Should be more than 10. Or when they released Rashad Tucker for Ontario Lett. Or the Jaron Johnson Saga. Or maybe when they failed to secure Cattalini after his return from Europe. Or maybe not retiring the number 55.

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Isaac  
Two months ago

When did Bradtke leave Adelaide in the context of his rise and the career of Davis? If it was truly a him-or-me, in hindsight, that could've been a significant moment.

Ingles and Newley were botched, but neither stayed in the NBL at the time for that long. Would either have tipped the club into championship territory?

Sobey's moment last season - unfair, but take that out and I think the 36ers win that series, maybe they're emboldened to lock in Creek right away and then either have him in the squad or a legitimate claim to a fee to spend on upgrading the roster.

I think this off-season could easily prove to be very damaging for Adelaide. From contenders in that series to potentially risking loss of coach and owner jumping ship. That's a wild guess though.

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Hogwash  
Two months ago

Some might say hiring Lemanis is a blunder for Brisbane.

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mystro  
Two months ago

Breakers would have been the Boucher - Frank Arsego issue with Boucher getting caught out talking smack about his then former Coach online or via text from memory.

Nothing else really springs to mind other than hiring Jeff Greene as Coach.

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DJ Rod  
Two months ago

where do i start...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Super recently: Perth not replacing Cooke Jr. after Knight injury.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Would letting Goulding go be a big one for Perth? Him and Martin would be a pretty good guard set if they kept him.

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Captain of the Clubs  
Two months ago

Perth has won 4 championships since letting Goulding go... Goulding has won one.

Don't think it's that much of a big blunder.

Would have been nice to keep him no doubt.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

CG43 only went to Perth the gap year Joey had from the NBL between Brisbane and GC. Strange comment to say it was a blunder especially since Goulding wasn't the star player he is today.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ok I can see it was a question rather than a statement whether it was a blunder or not re: CG43/Perth. No, it wasn't.

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AD  
Two months ago

Sydney - Getting involved with that FirePower swindler.
Closely followed by hiring Gaze as Head Coach.

Souths Dragons - Leaving the league.

Perth - Selling the team to Vlahov & Longley, and the subsequent move to Challenge Stadium. (Just speculating, but maybe if Stoakes had kept the Wildcats, he might have kept the PEC open??)

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

A Dazz are you for real?

Get with reality not fantasy - Stokes had grown tired and that's why he sold the team. To then say Vlahov & Longley ownership was a blunder is ridiculous. They saved the team.

I don't see how that is a blunder on Stokes' part as he got out of the NBL when it was in rapid decline.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Moving to Challenge was absolutely the right call at the time

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

AD's post was a blunder.

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igotmadskills  
Two months ago

Brisbane signing Te Rangi after the NZ fight club incident.

Canberra folding or letting Darnell Mee leave

Tassi folding or letting trimmingham leave

36ers - Christopherson

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LoveBroker  
Two months ago

Would Marty Clarke come into the discussion for Adelaide?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes. Nice suggestion.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Everyone keeps mentioning this Ferguson leaving 36ers early deal resulting in them losing cash - does anyone have a link to an article about this?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Really? It was big news on here at the time.

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proud  
Two months ago

I know this isn't a blunder but I want to mention it, I know that Perth had Ricky Grace and he is amazing and all but had the Wildcats kept CJ Bruton as a combo guard for his entire career then you have to wonder how the fortunes of player and club would have gone!

Brisbane has to be Eddy Groves, yes he did so much right but the history books say that they didn't connect with the fan base enough to keep the team alive and that can't be denied.

Townsville I'll mention too as it's a sad story of a club that sold out games and had a marvellous reputation and letting the casino use your car park during games, that I'm sure still stings those involved.

Sydney is easily the firepower wanker.

Adelaide... could the Super Sixers be considered a blunder ie whether they should have never went that/stayed the super Sixers?

Illawarra and Cairns, I'm going to say this in today's NBL and how we have a team trying to get a license after purchasing their own stadium... their blunder is not getting enough big wigs together to have bought the stadium they play at and live off numerous income sources (before I get shot down just think of all the rich owners Illawarra had even this century and combine them, maybe they could have got WEC.... also Illawarra - the snake pit was pretty awful and the lights going off and whatnot.

NZ - amazing club undoubtedly but their biggest blunder was getting everyone to see that putrid floor known as North Shore Events Centre, seriously WTF has everyone been thinking to not have moved from there sooner or to redo the floor.

Last thought, did we avoid a massive blunder by not allowing Nathan Tinkler to get an NBL team (which I feel they deserve) which would have crashed and burned and made us look all the more amateurish at the time

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Isaac  
Two months ago

Everyone keeps mentioning this Ferguson leaving 36ers early deal resulting in them losing cash - does anyone have a link to an article about this?
Can't recall one, but the story is they had a $400k transfer fee in a contract and then someone in the office released him before realising they needed to wait for payment first.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You could make an entire thread out of the Sydney Kings alone using just the post-Goorj era.

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LV  
Two months ago

The Barlow PG experiment- cost the Tigers the 2009 championship.

The Centre season- Burston, Helliwell, Nevill on the same team with Tragardh as a 4 and shudder, occasionally a 3.....

The all-attitude donut team from 2015. You gotta check your character references and balance it out. McRae. Kickert (we now all know what he's like after recent events). Wortho. Tomlinson. None of these guys are overly cancerous individuals but they shouldn't have all been assembled on one roster. It was an endless stream on whining and moaning, a poor locker room and a donut team with no Centre and a wasted season.

I'm a paid up United man but I wish they were still the Tigers.

Demopoulos. Look, he wasn't totally inept but he was pretty bad. We should've done better.



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koberulz  
Two months ago

Demopoulos. Look, he wasn't totally inept
He once tried to sub off a player who was sitting on the bench.

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LV  
Two months ago

Oh and you can add in the Seamus McPeake locker room sacking of Ubaka. A classless way to go about it.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Getting rid of CatChat

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Cat Chat? Haha, it was a blunder having it active in the first place.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Isaac , are you daying Bradtke and Mark Davis never got along ?

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Camel 31  
Two months ago

ken cole coached 36ers 2 seasons , second and top , had bradtke in the wings etc
but they sacked him....ignoring the fact that with him we were a championship team , without him just another team ..

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Isaac  
Two months ago

The Kings hiring that hanky coach?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Moving to Challenge was absolutely the right call at the time"

Sod off Dazz,

They moved to Challenge stadium because the Entertainment Centre was closed. Rumour was due to Asbestos.

What else should they have done? Moved back to Perry Lakes?

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Haydos  
Two months ago

What about the Wildcats sacking Alan Black?

Always seemed a bit harsh, especially coming off a GF appearance. Still not sure whether that was a good call or a blunder. I guess it is hard to say without really understanding the reason(s) he was let go, but losing Stephen Black as a result was absolutely huge.





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Haydos  
Two months ago

^Obviously talking about the second time he was sacked.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

once bitten, twice shy

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Breakers

Sorry mystro but you are wrong

1) dropping Shawn redhage for Marcus Timmons.

2) Andre Lemanis. - worst coach we ever had. Especially early on in his tenure when he consistently signed third tier Australian journeymen over New Zealand Talent.

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FM  
Two months ago

We are going to foul Waxy. Foul Waxy Foul Waxy

Waxy is on Adelaide's bench

DD

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Very Old  
Two months ago

the appointment of their last chairman prior to entering administration and liquidation. You can Guess the club fairly easily ;)

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Anon  
Two months ago

Canberra not even talking James Crawford to stay after his first and last season with them, before then going to Perth " because they were the only team that made me an offer" ( add very thick southern drawl) ;)

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CT  
Two months ago

Aaron Fearne thinking for one second that Jawai was ever going to stay fit and healthy, that he was going to be the one to finally straighten him out and THEN convincing the board to sign him on a three year deal. double. f**k. me.

just one more year and we're free of him.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Breakers

Sorry mystro but you are wrong

1) dropping Shawn redhage for Marcus Timmons.

2) Andre Lemanis. - worst coach we ever had. Especially early on in his tenure when he consistently signed third tier Australian journeymen over New Zealand Talent.

Correct, well said. If you mentioned #2 not long ago people would be howling you down but now they realise due to the Bullets tenure.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

How ironic given that Lemanis is now employing NZ hacks instead of local talent.

Oh, and the Bullets not signing McCarron when he was done with college is a pretty big blunder.

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proud  
Two months ago

I know this is club related but the biggest blunder in NBL history seems to be NBL chairman Malcolm Speed (I think it was) telling every other code that basketball will be the 2nd) biggest sport in the country and every other sport doing everything to stop it and killing our first boom period of basketball in this country.

Sure enough teams dying certainly didn't help but that was absolutely awful.

And... Phil Smyth not being included in 40th anniversary team seems quite an oversight

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Speaking of Smyth - him losing to NZ in that series during his short Boomers tenure. Woeful.

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mystro  
Two months ago

Redhage wasn't that good sorry anon. That spin move to travel/turnover or contested shot was frustrating to watch as a fan.
He improved greatly with Perth.

Those Australian Journeymen that Lemanis selected over local talent were all proven winners and instrumental in implementing a culture and mindset change in the franchise that resulted in 4x titles.

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Cram  
Two months ago

"Oh and you can add in the Seamus McPeake locker room sacking of Ubaka. A classless way to go about it. "

Agreed. Sums up the McPeake era well though.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

@mystro think pre-title era/early Lemanis seasons there. The signings and coaching were woeful.

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mystro  
Two months ago

Before Lemanis there was Frank Arsego and Jeff Greene, their recruitment and results were also terrible hence why Lemanis needed some Australian Vets that knew what it takes on and off the court and had enough locker room presence to enact the change across the team and franchise.

That change was never going to happen over night.

Enter CJ Bruton & Toy Ronaldson and he also bought back Vukona & Boucher who had left during the circus of previous Coaching.

I have followed the Breakers since day one, game one and Lemanis is the best thing that happened to the Franchise, not the worst.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You mean the Blackwells were the best thing to happen to the franchise.

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paul  
Two months ago

Plenty of owners around with money, you need the doers like Lemanis and Clarke to make it actually happen.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Of course but he isn't some super coach. Right time, right place.

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Bear  
Two months ago

Well, back in the hey-days, the Supercats going broke and leaving the NBL was not a great thing, then the Dragons also going into financial difficulty and other things, both leaving the league, one permanently are the blunders that hurt me still today.

Hopefully the Supercats can one day get it together and move back into the NBL, the Dragons, not so sure, maybe that ship has sailed...

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mystro  
Two months ago

No he's not a super coach but he certainly isn't a blunder or one of the worst mistakes the franchise has made.
The Blackwells would be also one of the best things that has happened at the Breakers along with Clarke

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Funny how people bag out Lemanis and Gleeson so much. Coach and assistant of the most successful Boomers team ever, and winners of 7 NBL titles between them. Some folks just can't see the woods for the trees.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

^^^^^^. Yep

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes, just conveniently ignore the upgrade in player talent the Boomers had at the latest Olympics.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Townsville = Homocide

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MACDUB  
Two months ago

Crocs biggest blunder was signing Leon Henry after the nightclub incident..rather than giving his minutes to a promising junior local.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Mystro

I am the original poster who corrected you

I have also closely followed the breakers for yr 1 game 1.

As my follow posters seem to agree. Lemanis was a fake. The blackwells were the real deal

I watched redhage get dropped. And Timmons came in and set an nbl record. For most missed threes in a row. 23 if I recall correctly.

Redhage went on to become and nbl great.

I wasn't a big arsego or jeff green fan. But Jeff green was responsible for starting the breakers franchise so calling him a mistake is misguided.

Arsego. Meeh

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ps mystro

Those Australian journeyman I referred to weren't cj or bear.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

#515 so glad someone else sees it for what it is.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lemanis also let Carlos Powell do as he pleased. Never in NBL history have I seen a coach be so soft. Somehow he didn't get sacked after that showing.

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AD  
Two months ago

Oh FFS!
If the last few years have taught us anything, between Gaze and Demopolous, its that spending big bucks doesn't get it done if you don't have a very good coach.

So yes, Lemanis and Gleeson had and have the benefits of big bucks buying a top squad, but they still took those squads and finished the job.
Thinking back, you could arguably put Gjoorjan in the same boat?

Where Brisbane have gone wrong is their squad. If that's on Lemanis, then maybe he's not good at that aspect?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Gleeson and Lemanis are better than Demopolous and Gaze obviously. But still nothing special. Stop comparing average coaches with absolute spuds to make them look better.

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