koberulz
Years ago

Pathion Fails to Pay, Now Part-Owned by NBL

NBL Takes Shareholding In Pathion To Recoup A$1M-Plus In Debt

Australia's National Basketball League "has been forced to take a shareholding" in a U.S. renewable energy and storage company in an effort to recoup more than A$1M ($720,000) in unpaid sponsorship "after taking court action to wind up its Australian subsidiary," according to John Stensholt of THE AUSTRALIAN. The "highly unusual agreement was struck" after the NBL and the Brisbane Bullets, both owned by "rich-lister and property developer" Larry Kestelman, were each left A$550,000 ($393,000) "out of pocket"

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Manu Fieldel  
Years ago

Honestly that's pretty awesome

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Sounds like it will work out well, with ownership of the American parent company rather than the Aussie subsidiary. A pleasing result.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

DAS HOW WE DO!

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PlaymakerMo  
Years ago

"Honestly that's pretty awesome"

"Sounds like it will work out well, with ownership of the American parent company rather than the Aussie subsidiary. A pleasing result."

"DAS HOW WE DO!"

Any basis for these opinions? Pathion was founded in 2012: is it profitable? Is the shareholding worth more than the $1.1M cash from sponsorship?

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koberulz  
Years ago

It's hard not to get Firepower flashbacks after reading "headed by a man accused of fraud, failed to pay a cent".

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Well the article says that the NBL will get the money it's owed from the equity raising the parent company is doing. So I'd say at a minimum they will be ok and then maybe there's upside if they keep the shareholding longer term

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Anonymous  
Years ago

And so begins the unravelling...

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Anonymous  
Years ago

At least we know details about thus company, unlike the mysterious Oriant.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Good idea, lets spend the "NBL's" money for a team that's owned by the "NBL" to get back some money. Makes perfect business sense.

"Honestly that's pretty awesome", "DAS HOW WE DO!"

Glad you guys running a business

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FYI  
Years ago

The lack of sponsorship interest in the NBL in general is a tell tale sign of how the league is actually being perceived by corporates.

Pathion committing to $550,000 each for Brisbane and Adelaide is completely out of step with what assets can be bought for an equivalent media spend. a Big Bash from to shirt is $100,000 and that gets you 300,000 viewers plus mainstream media coverage. It would take an NBL team about 10 games to get those numbers.

The Channel 9 media deal was all pump

Another team owner set to tip over in the next 6 months as they fire-sale other assets so that they can make pay roll.

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ME  
Years ago

A lot of people talking a lot of shit, being negative for the sake of it, maybe because their team didn't get the draw they wanted or something. Waa waa waa

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Isaac  
Years ago

How many questionable naming rights sponsors is that now? Pathion, Firepower, the solar crew that abandoned the 36ers, etc.

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Double Clutch  
Years ago

Time for the "Hoops SA Adelaide 36ers" Isaac.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Oriant was another classic one isaac.

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FYI  
Years ago

2 teams not receiving their naming right sponsorship money is hardly trivial or "being negative for the sake of it" ME

Especially for the 36ers who would have been budgeting on receiving said income and not been able to field offers from other suitors if they believed Pathion would complete the transaction.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"Pathion committing to $550,000 each for Brisbane and Adelaide is completely out of step with what assets can be bought for an equivalent media spend. a Big Bash from to shirt is $100,000 and that gets you 300,000 viewers plus mainstream media coverage. It would take an NBL team about 10 games to get those numbers. "

So the nbl got a good deal, then? (Assuming they are eventually able to collect what's owed to them)

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FYI  
Years ago

No the NBL didn't get a good deal.

They got hosed and are now clawing back equity in a startup that may one day make revenue. From the article LK used his debt with them to force the equity position. He has something on paper , the value of which is highly questionable and debatable but it is something.

In the meantime the 36ers and Brisbane are missing $550,000 each to cover costs which had to come from somewhere in cash.

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Isaac  
Years ago

I think the inference is that with an inflated asking price, the NBL only attracted a flakey partner. Great for them if it paid, but it didn't quite.

In recent years, I think their plan has been to hold firm at a high price for sponsorship and wear the gaps on the jersey until it comes through.

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KET  
Years ago

The sad part is if we are being honest, none of these are surprising. They each reaked of being a dodgy company or dependent on subsidies & a small market becoming a big market in a flash.

There's a real sense of taking the deal and not acting with due diligence.

There’s a big difference between having deals with say ABC learning centres and having a deal with firepower/solar/pathion. There should have been a sniff from the beginning.

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koberulz  
Years ago

Oriant was another classic one isaac.
Were there ever reports of the Wildcats not getting their money, or is this just the standard "nobody knows what they do" thing?

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KET  
Years ago

What do/did they do?

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koberulz  
Years ago

Apparently, nobody knows.

I do vaguely recall seeing a mobile phone ad with their logo on it in a game program, so I'd assume they were in that space.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

"They got hosed and are now clawing back equity in a startup that may one day make revenue. From the article LK used his debt with them to force the equity position. He has something on paper , the value of which is highly questionable and debatable but it is something. "

The article states that they'll get what's owed from the equity raising. So even if the equity itself doesn't ever amount to much value they get what's owed to them, which is a good outcome.

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Fertsy  
Years ago

@koberulz I vaguely remember (2005?) Oriant saying at a trade show they were bringing phones aimed at kids with blocked internet, can only call certain numbers, GPS tracking etc. This was just before the iPhone came out and was probably just a scam holding company.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yep. Vlahov was holding a unit and spooking it during a broadcast.

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Zodiac  
Years ago

If the 36ers are one of the teams that lost $550K in sponsorship money from this it probably goes some way to explaining why the club seem to be doing things on the cheap this season. Perhaps also the reasoning behind dying in a ditch over that $100K from Creek's contract.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So both teams spent money they didn't have? Sheeeeeesh. Lk has a finger in the Sixers pie as well so it all makes sense. Dumb.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Not sure where the $100k Creek figure keeps coming from, it was actually substantially more than that.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yes kr no one knew wtf Oriant did. Apart from Vlahov once holding a phone and it being a company from Hong Kong. I even holidayed in HK during that season (2015?) so looked them up and couldn't find a trace of an office or let alone a business listing. NBL always delivering even in the LK era with these corporate sponsors. Never change NBL, never change.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

How much was it then? (Creek transfer fee)

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Manu Fieldel  
Years ago

Pretty cool way to get your money back.

I must say, a third-grader could write a better article than that. Sheesh

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Anonymous  
Years ago

In what universe does a Big Bash uniform go for $100,000 & they get 300,000 viewers?

"Pathion committing to $550,000 each for Brisbane and Adelaide is completely out of step with what assets can be bought for an equivalent media spend. a Big Bash from to shirt is $100,000 and that gets you 300,000 viewers plus mainstream media coverage. It would take an NBL team about 10 games to get those numbers."

The Big Bash has 1 million viewers per night and $100,000 will get you some nice corporate seats and not much more:

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/cricket-australia-crowd-attendance-television-audience-ratings-tests-bbl-wbbl/2017-03-31

I guess if you make your post sound like you know what you are talking about you will start to believe it yourself.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Go no idea on Creeks out cost but most standard nbl contracts the fee is between $300-$400g

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Anonymous  
Years ago

So really you don't have any idea.

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