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SEABL 2019

Are teams recruiting for SEABL 2019? Are there any new coaches been appointed?
I was told Lauren Jackson was going to be coaching Albury?

Are teams waiting to see whats happening with the competition next year?

Its hard to find any news, not much on the SEABL website.

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Reality  
Last year

Clubs still recruiting and working on putting teams together as per any year.

Still nothing official on the comp in 2019 just lots of rumors and discussion among clubs & officials etc


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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

VPL, clubs are working towards it now.

Standard will be the same as the SEABL has always been, in fact with the entry cost being around half, there may be a little more in the player payments budget for some teams.

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Reality  
Last year

@Melb Boy - Yea hearing Mount will be given the short shift as i am?

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Anonymous  
Last year

MTG in a lot of trouble

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Anonymous  
Last year

Reality, you are pretty obviously very keen to see the back of Mt Gambier. Why?

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Reality  
Last year

Not keen at all. Love the Mount flight and trip over. Great Crowds and tough place to win over the last 5/6 years.

Hope they could stay in any version of the SEABL that remained all i did was talk about how they are kind of out of there own without women and with the option of CABL as a viable alternative when other clubs Tassie/Albury perhaps didn't have another viable option and women so makes it easier to get a spot in the VPL

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Anonymous  
Last year

Surely they can't call it VPL?

A quick google search suggests this may not be the best choice.

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Issue for MtG is putting together a women's team of that standard.
By making it compulsory among other things to have a men's and women's team to gain entry into the new VPL, that appears to be the nudge out the door for MtG and over to the SA league.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think the SA league will only accept them under the same conditions. Must have womens and pay for all travel.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Surely it will be called VBL.

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Victorian Premier League
State Championship
Division 1
Division 2

VBL was the old second tier comp, they'll want something new, and it's being sold as Premier League, so VPL makes sense.

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Anonymous  
Last year

it's a different league to the Big V. It's not run by their administration.

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Anonymous  
Last year

VPL is the football (soccer) state league of Victoria so it can't be named that.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Is it true that the Geelong Supercats will be forced to dissolve the Div 1 men and women's teams if this is a Big V type scenario? Would be a shame as this is truly the grass roots of Geelong Basketball as an identity.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Is it true that the Geelong Supercats will be forced to dissolve the Div 1 men and women's teams if this is a Big V type scenario? Would be a shame as this is truly the grass roots of Geelong Basketball as an identity.
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You would think IF it's a BigV addition that clubs could and should be permitted to have teams in all divisions if they have the numbers both in players and finances, makes no sense to force clubs to reduce teams.

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Reality  
Last year

@Anon other Big V clubs in the past wanted to have a second team in Div 1 or 2 but were knocked back as Geelong got away with it by having the senior team in SEABL as a bit of a loophole.

If it all comes back under one admin's banner you'd think geelong having that set up would be no longer otherwise other clubs might look at it as well as its the perfect step from YL>D1>SEABL/VPL as often the jump from youth to the top level is to big.

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Anonymous  
Last year

It will be administered by Basketball Victoria not Big V

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Anonymous  
Last year

Big V is part of Basketball Victoria. It's all actually the same thing.

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Bear  
Last year

@Reality, there is two ways I see it and I will use that Geelong example above to explain.

Scenario 1: The new league can open it up to allow any Associations to enter any teams in any divisions as long as they can afford to enter them and qualify according to the facility criteria etc...

That may leave smaller Associations still without a Big V team and the bigger Associations remain the powerhouses of the Big V, also the best players may remain in that larger Association which in turn will call the shots and control more of the whole pathway system in its region.

This can be a good thing when it comes to money for referee development, providing for the best facility, or the pathway within that Association being less of a jump than say Youth league - Premier league with a senior team in between.

Scenario 2: The new league keeps its Big V rule, disallows any Association to enter more than two Youth League Teams (men and women) and the same in only one senior Division, therefore in the case of a Geelong (can be elsewhere) potentially 20+ players of Big V level will be looking for a game somewhere else or choose not to play.

Let's say a nearby Association (like Bellarine, Colac or Surf Coast) decide to enter Big V, they have a stadium they can use to facilitate the Big V requirements and get coaches, officials etc... organised to a satisfactory level.

Now the talent stays in the general area, another smaller Association has the ability to grow and offer its teams and clubs a pathway within to aspire to Big V. Locals can come and support a new team and those players who were previously with the larger Association can still play, albeit with a smaller one but if everyone is happy where is the problem...?

I may be wrong with this concept and my thoughts on why and how the new competition is being designed, who knows what the bigger plan is, but the short term view may be similar to Scenario Two!

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Bear  
Last year

@ Melbourne Boy, I believe it is going to be more like this:

Victorian Premier League
State Championship
Division 1
Division 2

YL Championships
YL Division 1
YL Division 2

However, I stand corrected as always...

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Anonymous  
Last year

I don't know how Basketball Victoria is run at all. Please enlighten me.
AS BV is the parent do they simply run the BigV out of their own offices or is their an organisation under BV?
FWIH all clubs will have to be an association some clubs aren't apparently. Have a Women's or Men's team respectively for those that don't.
There is currently talks underway about how many imports will be allowed and a levelling of the disparity between clubs.
Ie the Frankston's and Sandringhams of the world. A salary cap. Trying to stop the Bendigo's from winning. This is all a joke.

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LC  
Last year

Big V is administered by BV. They are one and the same.

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Reality  
Last year

Salary cap won't happen.
A few current SCM clubs might have bigger budgets than those in the lower rungs of SEABL.

Regardless of who is administering its looking likely mens/womens required and be association based/aligned which makes sense when looking at the direction BV have wanted the senior comp to go in for a while.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tell me how they are one and the same?

Big V run 12 different leagues. They have their own staff.

Basketball Victoria don't run any leagues. They run a participation pathway, an elite high performance pathway. How much say does Nick Honey have in the day to day operations of the Big V?

The VJBL run the Victorian Representative competition.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wow... basketball in Vicland is complicated.

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Anonymous  
Last year

From afar, that's how I thought the structure would be. THanks for enlightening.
It's hard to know when so many people have the I'm right and you're wrong attitude here.
I would have thought that BV are the administrators who oversee all comps under their umbrella. BIG V run it. Makes sense.

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Reality  
Last year

@Anon basketball in Vicland is a huge beast hence there are a number of different sectors within the administration.

The model is certainly not perfect but is clearly the best basketball admin model in the country.

Really BSA and those few larger associations should look at it particularity the VJBL model as it would help SA bball alot



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Anonymous  
Last year

Reality, your belief in your own opinion far outreaches the depth of your knowledge and the level of your understanding.

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LC  
Last year

This may help some people understand that Big V, VJBL etc all falls under BV.

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/meet-the-team/

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Reality  
Last year

@anon care to point to a better model current in Australian basketball?

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Anonymous  
Last year

That url doesn't work LC.

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LC  
Last year

Copy and paste it into your browser and it will work.

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fubr  
Last year

Hearing BV have held a big meeting with senior championship clubs and VIC SEABL clubs. New premier league is a go and calling for support.

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Anonymous  
Last year

It definitely didn't work lost night. Now that it does they have more staff than the Pert Wildcats!

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Anonymous  
Last year

As they should.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tomorrow is D day I believe with BA to vote on the SEABL stuff. It's a debacle currently.

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Reality  
Last year

As usually plenty of clubs and administrators have differing opinions on future direction/comp

A few of the Big V clubs rightly aren't thrilled after working really hard to get up into the top Big V division now being told they are getting sent back down as the potential criteria for entry to the top Div will change.

That said no one still really knows what its gonna look like until after BA vote, but you'd think thats pretty much just lip service considering the new CEO is the guy who made the call to start this whole mess anyway.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The clubs and BV met nearly 2 weeks ago, it's already a done deal. Today is just cosmetic.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tassie now on the outer as well as MtGambier and Canberra.

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anon  
Last year


Reality
A couple of hours ago

That said no one still really knows what its gonna look like until after BA vote, but you'd think thats pretty much just lip service considering the new CEO is the guy who made the call to start this whole mess anyway.



agree, hes not got a great track record for making good decisions thats for sure

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Melancomaley  
Last year

Maley has a terrible track record. This will end badly.

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Anonymous  
Last year

But he's an ex player!? Surely he should know what he's doing here!?!? (Sarcasm)

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Anonymous  
Last year

what's makes role in this. N.A. are the ones dumping seabl! #confused

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Anonymous  
Last year

Anon, Maley is the acting CEO of BA.

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Investigation  
Last year

When does the independant report come our about FDBA Frankston and what will happen ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yes. that's a recent appointment. Nothing to do with the decisions that were made ages ago..

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Anonymous  
Last year

Maley has been there quite a long time and oversaw the SEABL.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Paul Maley has been at BA for quite some time, overseeing the WNBL and SEABL as part of his role as GM of Competitions (almost 4 years).
He has been in charged of SEABL since BA took over the league.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Any further news on the fate of the Tassie teams?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yes that I already know. So as the boss why would he agree to vote himself out of a job?

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Anonymous  
Last year

He hasn't voted himself out of a job.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Of course not. Just less work and get paid the same.

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Reality  
Last year

@anon - nice call...less work and the same cash...interesting theory.

Pretty sure he just picked up the top job

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Anonymous  
Last year

More money for less work. (No seabl) Plus they still have the seabl's money as well!

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Anonymous  
Last year

What a joke this competition will be. The season is a proposed 28 week competition. Teams like Eltham will be in. Broadmeadows. No Sandringham. Playing in schools FFS. The "elite" competition is hilarious. Tassie looks to be out with Basketball Victoria wanting Tassie to pay for all teams that visit there. The imports wont want to be in any team that players for so long. The NBL players that play in it wont want to join in either with such a stupidly long season. Obviously that length of time will clash with the NBL pre season, the Blitz etc.
March to September is laughable. Competing against the AFL in Finals time. BA have a lot to answer for and now so does Basketball Victoria. Word is also some other SEABL teams didn't apply to join as well.
A once great competition now destroyed in its entirety.

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Reality  
Last year

Its a complete joke with Tassie pretty much painted into a corner re the travel costs as the existing Big V teams don't want to stump up the additional travel costs which has forced BV's hand to a degree due to the pressure certain Big v clubs have put on them.

The new comp won't be elite its just an expanded SCM ad as per the way that division has gone in recent years the level of play will slowly deteriorate.

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Anonymous  
Last year

What exactly is the issue with playing in a school? If the stadium meets requirements isn't that all that matters?

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Anon  
Last year

Why wouldn't imports want to play a longer season when they will get paid more?

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paul  
Last year

Firstly, they are unlikely to get paid much more if any more at all as budgets won't necessarily be any bigger. Secondly, because it could eat into better paying jobs overseas. The attraction of the SEABL is that it's in the off-season for most leagues.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Announcement made next week. Stop speculating and wait for the official announcement.



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Reality  
Last year

The announcement will be titled "Welcome to the Bush League!"

The poor venues and standard of play are the new normal for the best semi-pro league in southern Australia!

At least the northern QBL teams will be happy as they might be able to get a few additional recruits from down south.

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Anonymous  
Last year

A bush league that you wouldn't be able to score in. You probably wouldn’t even make it on D2 team in big v.

Unless you work for BV there no way you know what all teams will be in the league? Or what players they sign? Or what stadiums they will play at...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Well if you were in a club about to compete you would know exactly what the competition was going to be and for how long. Hardly speculation either. Playing in a school gym. it's not pickup ball. Meets the standard? Where exactly is this standard btw.

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Anonymous  
Last year

All the nbl players will head to nz, nbl clubs won't allow players to miss preseason. The whole concept seem to make the league poorer, quality worse.

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Where has the "28 weeks" come from?

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Anonymous  
Last year

I don't get this same old argument against 'school gym'. Does it matter where the stadium is? If it meets the standards of the competition what does it matter?

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Anonymous  
Last year

It denigrates the competition. Who will go and watch Eltham and Broady play there?

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Anonymous  
Last year

How? It's a stadium. It's their home. Who cares if its shared with a school or not. The stadium wouldn't exist if not for the school. Many sports share facilities. The MCG is a Cricket Ground, does it degenerate the AFL to play at a Cricket Ground? Of course not.

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Anonymous  
Last year

A tin pot shed is hardly a decent basketball stadium. Crowds, catering parking, aftergame function, changerooms. hell go to the marvellous State Basketball centre in Wantirna a see the pathetic change rooms. Double headers. Forget it. Same in a tin pot school. No thanks.

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anonymous  
Last year

A lot of opinions being thrown about without much consideration...

With reduced costs from entry fee and travel etc, some existing SEABL clubs may look to increase their player payment budget. I'm reasonably sure this will attract both quality aussie and import players...

SCM or other BigV teams will need to show that they will be competitive so I would assume there player budgets will need to be somewhat similar.

The venue issues are valid but I don't know that you could claim that existing SEABL teams all have world class venues that they play out of. For what some teams like Eltham may lack in facilities they sure make up for with the atmosphere and crowd numbers.

I'm sure all players/coaches/spectators would prefer to play in this atmosphere than worry too much about car parking.

It will be interesting to see how it all works out...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Imports won't want to play for that long and miss out on either O/S or NBL gigs.
Aussie playing in the NBL won't play because their preseason will be on whilst this competition is running. Increased budgets? Hardly. There will be increased budgets already because of the lengthy season. Double headers means extra cost that many teams can't even meet already. makes no sense at all.
A diluted competition with out the Tassie teams or MtGambier in at as well.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I hear Bulleen are going to be in

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wow, what a way to destroy SEABL.

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Reality  
Last year

Some avg teams from the current Big V team will be in which will drag down the level just like it did when the Big V started including a number of smaller clubs in there top division a few years back with that SCM division now being very poor compared to 5 years ago let alone 10.

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anonymous  
Last year

I find it hard to believe the season will overlap with NBL. BV would be well aware of the conflicts this would cause.

The last I saw was that there was an aim to have 20 teams with possibility of 2 x conferences. This would likely mean a 28 game season which could easily be achieved with 20 rounds (8 double headers)

Double headers already exist so not sure what that argument is about.

Up until recently the Tasmanian teams weren't among the stronger teams in SEABL so not sure how that would dilute it. Not having Mt Gambier would be a loss.

I would think that Bulleen and most other larger clubs in BigV would have submitted an EOI but not sure they will be 'invited' into the league unless they have planned some serious recruiting.

I get that there are people that are simply resistant to change and may not be looking at this without a negative bias.

Simply look at the previous year in SEABL.

Which teams had Imports that have gone on to overseas or NBL gigs? Not Nunawading, Dandenong, CoE, Bendigo, Ballarat???

How many Aussies were there that are now in NBL? Moller, Trist, Vague and a few others.

I'm sure that the teams in the new league will all have a different approach. Some will still target the NBL guys and accept the fact they might not be there for a handful of games, the same with imports.

Seriously, were the following teams that much better than a SCM team:
- Canberra
- DV
- Frankston
- Sandringham
- Ballarat
- Bendigo
- CoE
- Melbourne

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Anonymous  
Last year

Sandringham are looking at D1 Men and Women

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Anonymous  
Last year

Canberra and AIS wont be in. DV possibly out, No Sandringham. Bendigo would smash most teams as would Ballarat. Nunawading too. Frankston who cares.
I think you will find many imports are already playing overseas. It's not only about the NBL it's about where these guys move onto after a short SEABL season.

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Anonymous  
Last year

No teams have been told if they are in or out. They find out next week.

Can't see bulleen being in when their men’s team wasn’t competitive in D1 this last season. And they didn’t pay much money if any for roster of men team.

DV and Frankston shouldn’t be in. Both their teams from last season wouldn’t have been in top 6 of SCM last year. Frankston women are awful as well!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Sandringham are in. I don't know why they would be out? Ppl starting crap. LOL.

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anonymous  
Last year

Teams supposed to be announced next week. It will be interesting to see which ones are in or not.

I can't see any of the existing SEABL teams not being in so as a starting point there would be:

- Albury
- Bendigo
- Ballarat
- Dandenong
- Diamond Valley
- Frankston
- Geelong
- Kilsyth
- Melbourne
- Nunawading
- Sandringham

Then it is rumoured that CoE will be in and play all games in Melbourne.

So that is 12 teams without the following:
- Mt Gambier
- Canberra
- NW Tasmania
- Hobart

If it is only 12 then the following will probably be in:
- Eltham
- Keilor
- Knox
- Hume
- McKinnon
- Ringwood
- Waverley

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Reality  
Last year

Werribee pushing hard to be in top Div (new facility and massive growth area) despite lack of success recently.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I am not the only one that heard Sandy is out it appears.
"Sandringham are looking at D1 Men and Women"

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Anonymous  
Last year

If this is true, while it sucks that a club as strong as Mt Gambier could be left without a competition (although surely that's on BSA) this could spell the end of competitive basketball in Tasmania.

With all due respect to the NWBU and the SWL, they’re a long way off the step-below-NBL that SEABL offered. I know people will say that Hobart and Launceston teams were mostly non-local, but both had locals starting and NWT in particular are developing a solid local core. Are these kids going to move interstate to continue to compete at this level, especially if they’re likely not future-NBL-standard?

You would imagine that this would also impact on the Huskies bid as their model linked heavily with the SEABL clubs.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Team list for new league will consist of

- Albury
- Bendigo
- Ballarat
- Dandenong
- Diamond Valley
- Geelong
- Kilsyth
- Melbourne
- Nunawading
- Sandringham
- Eltham
- Casey
- Knox
- Hume
- Ringwood
- Waverley

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Anon  
Last year

Should this be the case (above list) its pretty devastating for Tas clubs and Pioneers. What was a great and high level competition has gone in favour of a basic state Victorian competition. Note that the key decision makers, CEO of BA, BA competitions manager and the Chair of BA are all Victorians based in Melbourne. I'm sure the Vic SEABL clubs will be disappointed to regress in this way. QBL will be very appealing to many high level players. The last two SEABL champions gone into oblivion wow!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Chargers 1st Seabl Champions and now last Seabl Champions.

How prestigious it will be to win the first ever all Vic Elite competition. Said no one ever. How lop sided will this competition be too. PLaying in the jail that is Broady too.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Some clubs put out some pretty ordinary teams on that list!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Does anyone seriously think that the likes of Bendigo, Ballarat, Nunawading etc will put teams on the floor like they did for the SEABL? If they do they are foolish.
NBL players wont play. Simple. Season is too long. Imports will be looking for a shorter comp for the same money, if not more money.
Basketball Victoria just want to feel loved as it's feels that the SEABL winners were regularly non Victorian. Now we have this debacle.

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LC  
Last year

Meanwhile, Basketball Queensland are rubbing their hands...

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Reality  
Last year

Agree with @LC - QBL clubs will be loving this! They'll get the pick of the fringe NBL talent plus as always good level of imports and they mostly play in good venues that are well attended with really great community support.

Meanwhile down in Vic between BA/BV you've given the shaft the a few clubs who have been winning titles or conference champs regularly over the last decade to include clubs from the local Big V who lets be frank lack facilities, players and have shown a lack of ability to recruit/spend money in the right places to win the league they used to be in let alone a new league.

Hopefully Mount is lost to bball and BSA will step up to the plate, but i feel worse for the Tassie teams as they now have no comp at all, hopefully it doesn't effect the NBL

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Anonymous  
Last year

At least the referee's involved will not have to deal with one Peter Carey.

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anonymous  
Last year

Yeah, I tend to take a different view from some of the negative posts above.

With savings that existing clubs in SEABL will have in the new league likely to be $100k+ (league entry, travel, accom etc) I would think that you will see teams like Nunawading, Kilsyth, Geelong, Bendigo and Ballarat load up on talent.

This may mean they will spend more on higher quality imports, or on aussie talent. I'm sure you will see players like Mathiang, Moller etc in the new league next season.

I'm still finding it hard to believe that BV would plan a new league schedule that conflicts with the NBL timings. They might be planning to have more games but the overall time period would have to stay the same. There is no way they would want to compete with the NBL for talent.

Question, do you think we might see a team from the new South East NBL team entered in the BV league to get some momentum before the next NBL season???

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Anonymous  
Last year

Horses mouth :
Firstly I have spoken to our Association President and the Big V delegate and they have not been informed if there is a new structure or who is in it. They have applied like everyone else.

Secondly BV did not create this situation and are now doing there best to be involved in administering a MAYBE new tear of basketball in Victoria. Speculation only that, everyone is waiting for correct information.Lets hope it comes soon.

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LC  
Last year

Whether decisions have been made or not, Basketball Queensland and their QBL teams are still rubbing their hands.

The QBL has continued to improve whereby most of their teams had an NBL player and/or fringe-NBL level players, solid imports, facilitated regular, structured and quality live streaming of their games, good crowds, and plus they have great weather during winter compared to Victoria.

Why would you not want to play in that league as an alternative?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Agree with LC it clearly looks like QBL will be the best winter league in Australia

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John  
Last year

My goodness there is some negativity on this forum.

- Issue with venues. Considering the new top league will feature the formal SEABL teams, will the venues still not be the same ? Bendigo will still play out of Bendigo stadium, Ballarat out of Ballarat and so on ? So they stadium will be no different to the ones they were playing in, in the SEABL. The only difference would be the new teams entering. And its pretty simple. If the new teams applying don't have the facilities, then they don't get in. Several of the Big V clubs have outstanding facilities (Casey/Weribee for example). The majority of the comp will be played in the former SEABL venues.

- Teams. Pity about the Tas teams. And even Mt Gambier. I think they would have added something to the comp. But there will be still be what, 12 of the 16 SEABL Teams (omitting Canb, Hobart, North tas teams & Mt Gambier). If the Tas teams do become apart of the comp, you're losing two teams from a 16 team comp. Why would this be an "end of the world problem" for the quality of the league ?

Will fringe NBL players & Imports seriously not consider playing in the league because its changed its name and lost a couple of teams ?

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Reality  
Last year

Those teams being have been SEABL champions or made conference finals on a regular basis so to loose them has a major impact on the level of play particularly if they are replaced by Big V teams who outside of perhaps Ringwood aren't generally very good!

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anonymous  
Last year

Exactly John...

Just a lot of people on here would rather bag the new league then get behind it.

Probably the same people that complained about SEABL and how it was run.

People also seem to be forgetting the impact that the new NBL team in Melbourne will have. I'm pretty sure any aussie or import that thinks they can make this team would see the advantages of playing in the league that is right on the doorstep of the new team.

Hopefully the 'tournament' for state leagues gets off the ground and we can all see how teams from the different leagues compare to each other.

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Bear  
Last year

I am still waiting for an announcement, I hear it is not far away, however I don't see any mass exodus of player talent moving up north to Queensland unless somehow clubs up there find some magic money tree with which to pay for the cost of a Victorian based player for example to move home etc...

Great weather is one thing, but Victorian basketball at a Premier League level (former SEABL) will almost certainly remain at or close to the top of any second teir competition in Australia/New Zealand IMHO...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Pretty sure that if MtG, Canb, AIS, Thunder, Torns and Chargers aren't competing there will be 9 less teams across mens and womens.

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Reality  
Last year

Are Mount a sure thing to be admitted into CABL?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Announcement will be made next week.

If you feel the level of comp will go down then don't watch it. Simply. Think guys forget scm beat seabl teams all the time in pre season scrimmages and even mid season scrimmages. Not every seabl player is killing it. Seabl players go to big v teams and still don’t make all star 5 in any of the divisions. Can’t tell me the the players from Frankston, DV, Albert, Sandringham, or even Dandenong are that much better if at all better than some of those top SCM teams.

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Anonymous  
Last year

CABL ... is an example of how little so many in this thread understand about SA Basketball.

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Anonymous  
Last year

what announcement?

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John  
Last year

If you're counting both Genders anon, then it'd be 31 teams then in the competition.
And that's before the announcement. No one can seem to say for sure who's in and who's out, with some suggesting that the AIS will even stay put.

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LC  
Last year

Any Vic 'Premier League' will always remain one of the best state-based leagues in Australia just through the sheer amount of talent playing the state.

However, my references to the QBL remain valid; it is a very attractive and viable alternative.

Given the lack of communication regarding what is happening in 2019 for SEABL/Big V/Premier League etc, people should not be ignorant that players wish to gain some certainty for 2019 now rather than later.

I know of a few SEABL players already either signed (not yet released) or weighing up nice offers from QBL teams.

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Anon  
Last year

Whilst the competition will certainly drop in standard with no interstate teams it will still be strong. The biggest issue is that BA's decision has left 4 clubs with no future without notice. It will be ok for former Victorian SEABL clubs. Tas clubs and Pioneers have been completely blind sided and will go out of existence,unless BVic does the right thing from a competition point of view and invites them to join the new comp. The moral issue is on BA, they have gone off half cocked and now I believe BVic is trying to clean up the mess.

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John  
Last year

That seemed to be another 'bone of contention' with the Victorian clubs breaking away. That the Victorian clubs didnt want to travel to Mt Gambier/Tasmania as it would add additional costs.
Two questions.

The Victorian SEABL clubs have been doing it for years, so if they had a new comp, where these other teams were still involved, why would they complain about the costs now ? It'd be no different to what they were already doing. Less so, because they don't have to do the NSW/Canberra trip

And if any of the State Champ teams were looking to play up in this new comp, what say would they get ? They're the ones applying to join. It'd be like DV joining SEABL this past season, then complaining about travelling to Tas.

Not to mention, the Vic Clubs shouldn't have much to complain about. It's two away trips per season (excluding finals) with a double in Tas and a bus (?) to the Mount. Considering the budgets of the Victorian clubs, with imports and fringe NBL players etc, surely it'd only be a small fraction of what their overall budget would be ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Premier League won't admit Mt. Gambier at such short notice. Mt. G don't even have a women's team which is a mandatory requirement, not that it couldn't be done by Mt. Gambier, I'm sure it could. The cost to travel there with 2 teams plus one nights accomodation is what will stop Mt. Gambier getting in to the PL. You'd be looking at close to 5k for one game, a cost that clubs in the PL can't afford.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yes people are forgetting the costs issue. Basketball Victoria wants Tassie to pay for all trips to there. They forget that with the cost savings they are making travelling to Tassie is nothing in the scheme of things. Makes no sense. I guess they don't want to be beaten again. Spectres ;) I am pretty sure that the SEABL licence/ costs incl. travel and accom is approx $60,000. So massive savings which would still allow Tassie to play.

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John  
Last year

#709251, I'm assuming you're referring to the SA Premier League there, not the newly formed Vic Premier League ?

Most the players and coaches I know I dont think would mind the travel should Mt Gambier be allowed in Victorias league. Vic Clubs in Big V already do some travelling across the state, with Warnambool, Mildura, North East, Shep, Latrobe etc. Drive wise from Melboure, Mt Gambier is an hour closer than Mildura, and clubs still make the trip up there.
Away trips are usually looked forward to as a chance to get together. Road Trip !

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Anon  
Last year

How can qbl be better than this premier league is qbl wasnt even better than state champ men?

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Anonymous  
Last year

BA are in a world of hurt over this. Watch this space on that one with Mt Gambier being very unhappy to be given the arse.
Geelong won't be playing out of the Arena as it's too expensive.If Hobart were in they wont be playing at the DEC. Back to the tin shed days for them.
A 28 game monpetion too. If any NBL players do play thy will be classified as imports.
Sandy out and Frankston out. Canberra already gone.
Maley's ringing everyone trying to get a competition going and even some former SEABL clubs are very reluctant to join what will become another D League for basketball in Victoria. Sad days indeed.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Fact is, BA have continued to burn relationships through all this.

Another ball well and truly dropped.

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Anonymous  
Last year

BA might get sued over this cockup.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Where is the source on Gelong not playing in arena, Sandy and Frankston not in?? A lot of random facts thrown out on here. Top SCM teams can compete with seabl so lets stop with all the hate on SCM being inferior. Fact of the matter is no one has 100% certainty of what is going to happen with this new league so lets relax and see what happens.

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Anonymous  
Last year

John the longest SCM "road trip" from the city was Corio and Casey in the opposite direction. Mt Gambier is a 5 hour drive, slight difference.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Next Wednesday is D Day with announcements. Assumptions can be proved correct or otherwise then. The BV working group have kept things very tight within. Very few leaks.

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Anonymous  
Last year

There are plenty of leaks from BV. It just depends on the level of professionalism of the person the leak went to whether it ends up on hoops.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Hahaha SCM better competition then QBL! Now that's a good one!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Plenty of leaks from BA. That I know to be true.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Geelong rely on good crowds. Simple. Who wants to see Geelong smash one of these weak teams? No one.
There are no assumptions here. Just the truth.

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John  
Last year

"John the longest SCM "road trip" from the city was Corio and Casey in the opposite direction. Mt Gambier is a 5 hour drive, slight difference."

I was referring to the entire Big V, as it's a statewide competition.
And Latrobe & Warnambool had spent time in State Champ, with both those teams winning D1 recently and had the possibility to go up (well, Warnambool anyway I believe).

You telling me if Warnambool did make that jump to SC, and even their women after winning this year, the other State Champ teams would refuse to play them because they're too far ?

I'm not a part of Geelong basketball or anything, but why would they not be able to afford to play at the Arena, if they don't have to spend as much on travel for the upcoming year ? Will the people in Geelong that have supported them for so long, now refuse to go and watch them because they're playing in the "Premier League" instead of SEABL, even though its against most of the same teams ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

I do believe that the talent that will be on display will be an inferior product.
Teams won't load up like they did in the seabl. 7 current seabl teams out.

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John  
Last year

Why wouldn't they?
They don't want to win ?

One team spends a bit, everyone has to do the same to match the quality. The arms race would continue.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I know of at least 3 Ex SEABL clubs who have decided at least for this season to field only 1 import and a reduced budget to see what the league performance is going to look like. Why pay a fortune to play in a low talent new league.

Clubs may treat the first couple of years in this new league an opportunity to develop from within rather than win a championship.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yes. I had heard of 3 as well. Good to see that the rumours posted have been heard elsewhere. A Development League. Thanks BA and BV.

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John  
Last year

How is that a bad thing ?
More opportunities, for more locals.
Then as the competition heats up, the more clubs will spend and the more talent will be in the league.

Until the teams participating are announced (which still could include the Tas teams), its the same competition as what it was, with a different name, and the NSW teams & MTG dropping out. It will still be the premier basketball competition in this state, which is the strongest basketball state in the country.
I'm still baffled by all the "the sky is falling" talk that's taking place.

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Anonymous  
Last year

It's hardly "the same competition as what it was" with BIG V teams joining. Werribee, Eltham, Broadmeadows, Casey, Knox and possibly more. The loss of 7 seabl teams as well.Tassie wont be in unless Maley can pull a rabbit out of his arse. The Mount absolutely furious and may challenge that decision. BA wrote so much crap about what they would bring to the table and deliver (which they didn't) it's hilarious.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Happy to be corrected, but I think in the men's SEABL:

Nuna played with one import (Swetalla) this year.
Dandy played without imports this year.
Canberra went with one import (Gaff) - I think he's still an import.
Kilsyth went with one import (Turner).
Mt Gambier only had Marzette after they lost players to injury.
Melbourne only played a Chinese kid occasionally.

COE would normally play without imports too, but they played more than one this year with the foreign NBA Global Academy boys able to play.

It is not rare for teams in SEABL to play with one import.

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Anonymous  
Last year

All those NBL players will immediately become imports. So 2 imports straight away.
Not that those goes will play in the new comp.

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Reality  
Last year

People talking about the cost are forgetting that the SCM teams don't want to spend the money on travel and are having a very big say in all this!

the SCM teams had promises made about working hard and developing in the top tier within the BV system so 1 they don't want to loose players by playing the the states second division and 2 they worked hard to get to the level they were at and now told to find an extra $20K a year for road trips!

Its unfortunate but the Big V teams want into this new state based comp and rightly or wrongly they have a strong voice at the table compared with clubs that aren't even part of BV and will cause nothing but headaches for the BV with member clubs unhappy about the cost/travel

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Reality  
Last year

The acting CEO had no idea this would be the fall out and had no back up plan or actual strategy on how to transition the SEABL.

This is a complete debacle and surely heads will roll at BA

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yep. Maybe even get sued.

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Anonymous  
Last year

It's a disaster because Basketball Australia governs basketball for the whole country, and they've effectively killed Mount Gambier and hamstrung basketball in Tasmania. They had a perfectly functioning league and they've killed it. People fail to see that suburban Melbourne doesn't have a monopoly on the sport in Australia.

Mount Gambier's recent successes, the strength of Hobart, Albury-Wodonga and NW Tasmania all helped give the SEABL it's attraction. Mount Gambier, Albury and Hobart have all won championships since 2012 in the men. Brisbane were always strong before they pulled out. Granted Canberra unfortunately have become weaker and weaker as the years have gone on, but they could have turned it around. Sydney have been strong in the women's competition as have Launceston.

The Big V teams that are being spoken about here joining the existing SEABL teams do not make up for the absence of these interstate teams. This Premier League will be an inferior product. Simple.

The Victorian SEABL clubs never complained about the equalisation costs. If they did they would have pulled out long ago.

It's not a question of "we don't need such and such" - for the league to survive and thrive it needs everyone to be all in.


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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Haha, heads at BA will roll.... we haven't heard this before!

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John  
Last year

#709393 - Are those 5 Big V teams a certain lock to be in ?
Are the 7 SEABL Teams certain to be out ?

I'm not sure what the knock on the Big V teams are(the higher up SC teams anyway) as Melbourne & DV came across and didn't embarrass themselves this yea. You telling me that those stronger Big V teams wouldn't be better than the Frankston/Canberra's (Men), Albury/Wodonga / Frankston (Women) of this most recent season ?


8 of the top 12 Mens teams from 2018 will be there (12th place Melbourne had a 9-11 record) will be in the new comp (If the AIS Are involved which has been mentioned)
& 8 of the op 10 Womens teams from 2018 SEABL season will also be there.

If AIS are in both comps, 75% of both Mens & Womens teams will return. This is excluding all of the Tas teams, which no one can seem to agree if they've actually been cut. So yeah, it will look pretty similar to the existing SEABL competition. Then you could add in a Knox (former SEABL), Casey (cashed up, booming program, brand new facility) and a Waverley (Regular finalist in SC) and it will still be a great competition to watch. IMHO.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tassie is done. Mt Gambier and many weak Vic teams in. AIS may play away games only. That's a joke in itself as they have always been. No equalisation either. BV want Tassie to pay for everyone to visit.
Wilson wouldn't be playing for the Tigers as an import. Moller either, and the list goes on. All imports under the new rules.
Franga are broke, Sandy being sued, Knox were broke, Eltham oh dear, Broady plays in a jail last time I was there. Werribee, don't know nor Casey.
If they play midweek games and with 28 games to be played that will test all clubs.
BA are a joke and the development of Aussie basketball in the South East of Australia is now a laughing stock.

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Anonymous  
Last year

lol nutshell but you forgot"pie in the sky" until someone beaks the silence

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Reality  
Last year

The Big V teams coming in don't make up for the quality of the teams from Tassie/Mount who look to be on the outer. Not saying the top couple of big v clubs couldn't compete but particularly on the mens side Mount & Hobart have been strong in recent years.



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Anonymous  
Last year

Yes the spending that is required to put those teams of the floor would be a lot higher than the BIG V teams are used to. Another reason why it will become a Dleague.

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Reality  
Last year

Spending is one thing and saying the ex SEABL clubs will have extra to spend in the budget doesn't actually mean that they will if the club executives can still be competitive in the new comp with less expenses.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I never said that. I was saying that those clubs going up to another level will have to find the extra $$$'s to be competitive. The Bendigo's and Ballarat's' and Mount Gambier's, Chargers oh wait

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Anon  
Last year

Any news from the BA meeting today?

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X  
Last year

Bulleen to play in the new premier league

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LC  
Last year

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yes 3 Tasmanian teams in the new comp. It will be 2 conferences of 10 with a playing a 28 game season. Playing own conference twice and other conference once.

Sandringham wont be in. All other Vic SEABL teams will be.

Bulleen, Eltham, Casey, Knox, Hume, Ringwood, Sunbury and Waverley from Big V.



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Anonymous  
Last year

Sabres are in stop making trouble douchebag

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tassie may be in.Nothing more. BV wants Tassie to pay for everyone to visit which is bullshit.

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LC  
Last year

Yep...making Tassie pay for all travel for VIC clubs is a load of crap.

Was expected in SEABL. Why change?

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Sunbury in the VPL? Women yes but the Men's team will need a complete new roster.

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Anonymous  
Last year

LC, SEABL was rationalised.

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LC  
Last year

Yep. Why change?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Sunbury only won a couple of games in Div 1 men this year.

Must be the Womwms team that they stacked a couple of seasons ago.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Sorry I used the wrong word LC. The word is equalised.
It's changed because Basketball Victoria don't want Tassie in at all.
If you read the article BV invited Tassie in LAST THURSDAY. So why have they waited so long to reach a decision? Clearly up until last WEDNESDAY Tassie was out. It's laughable. One of the most powerful clubs over the last 2 decades in SEABL the first and Last SEABL winners aren't wanted. No last seasons grand Finalist the Tornadoes, not last season finals plating team the Thunder.
Canberra is a basketcase and simply walked away and MTGambier another long term SEABL club and of recent time perennial champions aren't wanted either.
I keep saying it, the addition of these smaller clubs will see a once great competition degenerate into a lopsided affair. A 28 game season too is detrimental as well allegedly playing from March to September.
I am assuming that they will play mid week games possibly. Tassie wont be able to do that either.Sad days indeed.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Stay tuned for news out of Franga. There is a movie in the making here !!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Maybe but they are still in the new competition!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Premier league you need men and women

Sunbury's women’s program is pretty good. They have been recruiting hard for the men

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LC  
Last year

Yep. Understand the equalisation. Totally agree with you BTW.

If the Big V Champ teams want to step up, they should be forced to pay up too. Hence travel equalisation is the go - it worked after all!

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Premier league you need men and women"
Clearly that rule is now out the door if Thunder and Tornadoes have been invite in. Yet another BV backflip.

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Reality  
Last year

The Big vteam stepping into the new comp don't want to pay the travel costs and hence the invite to the Tassie teams is lip service after BA made it clear to BV they expected them to give the Tassie teams every chance to be part of the new league.

The best way to not have the tassie teams in is to simply make it expensive hence the travel cost being pushed onto them.

Remember the Big V teams have a very very strong voice at the table as the Tassie teams/mount had none! BA want Tassie to be in but have no control or say it how its administered so hence BV can do as they wish re travel!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Everyone seems to blame the Big V teams, is it possible that a lot of OLD SEABL teams are finding it hard to generate enough money to continue to existing in the old format, thus want reduce expenditure? Last time I checked money didn't come off the lemon tree.

Most metro Vic SEABL teams would be competing against many local football teams for sponsorship etc. Not sure on SEABL butgets but local footy club could have player payments up near 250/300K. Let alone VFL clubs being more than that. so genertaing a enough cash to compete in an CASH war might not be possible any longer.

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Reality  
Last year

Thats true the Metro SEABL clubs aren't exactly fighting hard to the travel costs equalization to stay!

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John  
Last year

So after all the posts banging on about the Tas teams not included, this new comp will now look very similar to the old SEABL, with the only the unfortunate omission of MtG amd the under performing NSW teams the difference.
The new Big V teams entering will have to step up to the plate, and lift their game to compete.

Or are we still being extremely negative and claiming this is the end of basketball in South East Australia ?

What will the structure of the remaining Division's be like. Bottom of SC & top of Div 1 merge ?
Bottom of Div 1 and all of Div 2 merge ?

Basically means the bottom of Div 1 teams, will be playing Division 2 in 2019.

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Anonymous  
Last year

What a good idea, having the shitty Div 1 teams play against the Shitty Div 2 teams. Makes perfect sense.

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Reality  
Last year

The Tassie teams have been invited to apply but you'd hardly say they are in as the negotiation re travel costs will be the deciding factor.

Feel terrible for Mount as they are stuck on a limb and its a disgrace what's transpired to them.

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Anonymous  
Last year

How many teams from Big V will go up?

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anonymous  
Last year

I have heard that Wednesday 24th October is the date for clubs to be informed.

These are the teams that I predict will be in the new league:

- Albury
- Bendigo
- Ballarat
- CoE
- Dandenong
- Diamond Valley
- Frankston
- Geelong
- Kilsyth
- Melbourne
- Nunawading
- Sandringham
- Knox
- Hume
- Eltham
- Ringwood
- Waverley
- NW Tasmania
- Hobart





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Anonymous*  
Last year

I've heard Werribee are wanting to enter - will be interesting to see if they're included. Assume they'd meet the criteria being such a large club, the on-court product probably isn't up to it however.
What is the flow-on effect for those left in State Champ, and then onto Div 1/2?

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Anonymous  
Last year

See above. Shitty clubs playing shitty clubs.

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Anonymous  
Last year

19 clubs seems an odd number if you are going with 2 conferences

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robt  
Last year

re Tassie teams:
Seems, from the discussion above, that the main (only?) issue is who pays travel if they are in.

Iam thinking that Hickey of the Huskies could get some VERY valuable pr for his NBL drive.

In that discussion, lots is said about uniting all of Tas (north/south apparaently, if you haven't been following) to back the NBL franchise.


I am not a marketing guru but their target, not a Tasmanian so no personal agenda, I just think that those "gestures" mean more to the target market.

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Spot Up  
Last year

Interesting discussion above in the context of articles like this..

http://bigv.com.au/gulls-secure-second-import-for-2019/

Be nice to get an official announcement of some kind soon.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think you'll find Mt. Gambier will be in it. Otherwise they wouldn't be shopping around for a womens team to put together, which I dare say will be a requirement.

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Anonymous  
Last year

They should just merge all the rest and have 4 geographical conferences.

Not much difference between them all once you take the second import away from Champ comps

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Anonymous  
Last year

Casey are saying they have been told they will be in

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Anonymous  
Last year

Time will tell

BV trying to keep everyone happy is easier said than done

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Anonymous  
Last year

Casey aren't saying anything about them being told they are in. Casey are hoping they are in. False statements above. No one knows until the announcement.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Can anyone enlighten as to how/why seabl came to exist? Are those factors still in play?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Casey are in.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Correct me if I am wrong. if tassie team are not in then yes obviously that hurts comp and isn't ideal for those teams. But this league is taking seabl who we all know is a great league and combining with the best teams in big v State champ, woulnd't this make the comp even stronger then seabl was? I reckon top SCM can add more value then bottom of SEABL. Hopefully the better players in seabl stick around and dont move to other leagues because this new league could have some great potential!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Why on earth would Casey women be in a SEABL level comp, they were not even in SCW in BigV lol, SC is a bog enough jump to meet SEABL, you'd be having a joke throwing a Div1 team in with SEABL level players

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Anonymous  
Last year

It will be like DV getting into the SEABL. They think they are good and when that next step is taken they realise that the step up is massive.

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Reality  
Last year

@anon is spot in! The jump is big! The SCM teams will need to recruit gun imports to compete!

In certain match ups the SCM teams will go ok but as DV Men in particular found out across the season the SEABL level is a big step up.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I'm sure Casey will be out recruiting. Believe it or not you can add players in the off season if you want

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Anonymous  
Last year

As the structure of basketball heads towards a total focus on state based leagues (with the possible exception of a couple of Tassie teams), I would be interested to hear whether you believe that this will be of benefit to the game overall?

I'm guessing that seabl came into being as a result of some frustrations with state based leagues in the past?

The standard in seabl has been pretty high. It provided a place for players on the fringe of the nbl or just below, to play in a quality competition and earn a few dollars too.

The combination of the generally well resourced regional clubs and the stronger Vic metro clubs seemed to work really well. It included teams across several states and was not totally Vic metro centric.

Seabl had a lot going for it

With the exception of Victoria, none of the other states appear to have state leagues that are anywhere near the standard of seabl.

Will the new Vic Premier League adequately fill the void?
Will the new structure be better for basketball in Australia?

Or are we now just a few (lost) years away from the Ballarats, Bendigos, Nunawadings, Kilsyths etc getting frustrated with the standard of play and the politics of their new state based league?

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Anonymous  
Last year

The aforementioned Clubs have agreed to joining, so be it in the future.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Seabl is not far and above better than SCM. I've been played at both levels and there is very little difference.

Most that are saying it’s a big jump have never played at either level.

Desmond Simmons dominated at seabl then he did the exact same statistically at SCM for waverley.

You guys Have no idea. Some SCM teams actually have higher player budgets than seabl teams.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Is this same Des Simmons that was just a pretty average player for Mt Gambier?

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Reality  
Last year

The budgets aren't what made the differnce between SEABL and Big V it was the overall player pool and spread of talent.

This was more so when Brisbane were still in the comp as you had strong teams from QLD/SA/NSW/TAS with a mix of local or at least players from those states combined with recruits etc.

You'll loose alot of that mix if it becomes just state based into Victoria with a couple of Vic only regional teams.

Mount in the last 10 years became the gate way for top SA talent to get more exposure in a better league which looks like it could be lost and the same will be said for the Tassie teams if they go as alot of young talent played from NWT/Hobart over the last few years/

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Anonymous*  
Last year

Can Mt.G submit a team into the top league and their women play in Div1 for example? Being under the Big V banner you'd assume it wouldn't matter if clubs are subject to relegation, but this just adds to the confusion for mine.
Same goes for Casey - IF their mens program is above and beyond their womens, why do their women have to play in the top league?
I'd question Des Simmons dominating in SEABL - could hardly fill the void left by Johnson in Mt.G who would have ripped SCM to absolute shreds.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Agreed Reality.

Seabl was a pretty good second tier competition to the nbl. Especially, given the concentration of teams around country and metro Victoria, with its geographic position allowing teams from Tassie, NSW and regional SA to add to the quality and breadth of the comp.

How will the Tassie teams be received by the locally focused Vic clubs? How long before they realise that being treated like a largely unwanted tack on just isn't worth the cost/effort.

Love to hear the reasoning as to why this is a good direction for basketball in Australia.

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Reality  
Last year

Maley surely has to come out with a statement and explain why BA have chosen this path and particularly why they thought dropping it on SEABL GF weekend with no alternative plan was a good move?

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Anonymous  
Last year

The SEABL were about to vote at the gf meeting to leave BA. N.A. go in first.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Maley has a lot to answer for.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Still does. he's been doing a lot of last minute ringing around that's for sure.

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Anonymous  
Last year

All fine taking pot shots at a bloke on here.... have you put your hand up to BA to solve the issue? Ring the office and volunteer to be involved in the new league or get on the board.

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Anonymous  
Last year

^ yeah because it's that easy!!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Get on the Board... oh dear. I don't know about you but I am not taking any pot shots merely stating what I know to be true.

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LC  
Last year

LOL. Maley never returns an email or a phone call!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Make no mistake he's frantically ringing around to get clubs onside.

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interesting  
Last year

Isn't the big announcement tomorrow? Teams in league etc

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Anonymous  
Last year

Email sent to clubs yesterday, delayed to next week now.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Frantically....

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Anonymous  
Last year

22 teams in. Tassie may still be in. BA assisting with some costs.

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Reality  
Last year

BA proposing to write cheques so they don't end up in court...wow its crazy its all had to get to this!

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Anonymous  
Last year

who are the 22 teams in??

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Anonymous  
Last year

Is there a chance that nothing happens for next year and everything stays the same for 2019?

Lets face it we next week is the start of November.

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LC  
Last year

There is no SEABL next season. It is dead.

BV have already advertised for new "Elite League" competition manager.

Manager of Elite Victorian Senior League

"Basketball Victoria welcomes applications for this exciting opportunity to manage our new Elite Victorian Senior League. Reporting to the CEO the role requires a manager who is experienced in managing in an elite sporting environment; an effective communicator and leader in the competitions space."

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Anonymous  
Last year

Will Mark Quinn apply?

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Reality  
Last year

Ask Mark

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Reality  
Last year

You know things are being done in a hurry when they put the Job ad up on the 22/10 and close applications on the 26/10

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Anonymous  
Last year

It sure shows you that they are out of control when one team invited in receives that request on Monday this week.

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PersonalFoul  
Last year

That advert smacks of ....

We have already hired but HR rules say we need to advertise for 48hrs

Heaps of talk on the ground from clubs from outside SEABL saying they are already in this new league - they can't all fit!

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Anonymous  
Last year

I was invited to apply for a job recently. I was even invited to interview for the position. I even asked them a week later whether they could tell me their decision. Bet you can't guess what they said???

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Anonymous  
Last year

Why would Big V clubs be falling over themselves to join this league. The increased budget that will be required to a, compete with SEABL teams (who I admit could use the opportunity to reduce their roster budgets but some won't) b, with no real added benefit to their members. I would imagine those clubs that value their member base would seriously question the the opportunity cost. Big V is largely unsupported within most clubs. Some of the more successful Big V clubs have in a lot of cases seen their junior programs (the income stream) fall in their quality. See the number of junior teams playing VC from Ringwood, Waverley, McKinnon and Corio (relegated but spent a heap) over the last 4 years.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Seabl teams will save a lot of money with this new competion which can go to establishing better sides ;)

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Anonymous  
Last year

Who says Corio relegated and how you know who spent what ?. Associations still not informed.

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Reality  
Last year

Every clubs from that SCM div think they are going to be in and deserve to be and most are talking it up.

The SEABL clubs in theory should have additional funds to go into recruitment but it won't work out that way. Some og the SCM clubs had already signed players and have pretty solid recruiting budgets (Mckinnon/Wav/Ringwood) but often didn't get players who wanted to play seabl so now they are in the same div it might put a few players back on the recruit table who'd never spoken to these ig v clubs before.

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Mr Green  
Last year

McKinnon did Not apply to be in new league.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mount gambier applying but have never had a women's SEABL team

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Anonymous  
Last year

They are looking to buy a team , they don't even have a CBL team so don’t have the basis of a team. How do the other applicants feel about that ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

They never had a women's SEABL team in thirty years ?

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Anon  
Last year

The requirement to be part of new comp is to have a women's team. So MG have no choice and have embraced this. The Pioneers are committed to fielding a competitive women's team and just like many other provincial teams will need to recruit players.( Check Bendigo or Launceston's starting groups for non recruited players ) Great opportunity for young SA players to join what is perhaps the most successful SEABL club in recent history. Young south eastern women basketballers will no longer have to move to the city to play at a higher level.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Launceston don't have a Mens team and Thunder don't have a Womens team. How can they be in?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Hard to understand why they never had a CBL Team this year for those juniors or why they never had a women's SEABL team in the past.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So recruit the best from Adelaide .....interesting

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Launceston Women and NW Tassie will be allowed in under a rule that will include the term "league discretion".

The fact that the Vic Teams can play the double header in mens and womens with Hobart actually makes it ok I think.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Why aren't mount gambier playing in their own state league based out of Adelaide, a lot of their men and by the sounds of it their women are coming out of Adelaide anyway !

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Anonymous  
Last year

Good point

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Anonymous  
Last year

Adelaide teams don't want to travel to Mount Gambier

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Anonymous  
Last year

But Victorian teams do ?
I'm interested , if basketball Australia have a national state leagues champions series would Victoria be happy to be represented by an SA team

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Anon  
Last year

For those struggling with the concept. The Pioneers have existed as part of the SEABL completion for 30 years. During this time players have moved to Mount Gambier for the opportunity to play in a high standard completion. (most of these from Adelaide) Having a women's team was never a requirement. The club has developed a successful men's program with both recruited players as well as locals and clearly are keen to do the same with women's program to fall in line with others in the new competition. The Pioneers do not and have not had fly ins with most of its men's program settled permanently in the town.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think the pioneers deserve credit for their history but I wonder if they haven't built a program that’s almost to successful. They need to win to maintain their support in a small community , i have concerns that trying to replicate the mens team program for the women is a step to far. It is the reason they have never had a women’s team as it will be a huge drain on a small population base

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Fastbreak  
Last year

I think if you check the history books you will find the pioneers have had a women's team before. I think they were in seabl for 2 seasons.

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Anonymous  
Last year

How did they go

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Anonymous  
Last year

So where they competitive ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

So Devonport and Launceston some how get an exemption? Hobart isn't an association by the way, yet MtG have to have a Women's team. Tat is simply as mish mash of the rules to suit.

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Reality  
Last year

The NWT & Torns are aligned for the sake of fixtures and to fit the criteria of league entry which makes perfect sense so both can survive, plus BA was an extremely big advocate of them being in the new league and Hobart...considering it looks like BA are going to tip in cash to make it happen.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I guess a men's and a women’s team together from Tasmania is one complete application.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Maybe a genuine state by state competition is the only fair way to do it

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Anonymous  
Last year

State by state would make the most sense with tassie in vic for population purposes but backwards nuff nuffs in Adelaide are stuck in the 1970's and won’t travel once a year to play a game of bball because who’d want to strengthen and improve basketball if you have to drive once a year!

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Anonymous  
Last year

I give credit to Mt Gambier for agreeing to start a women's program. They've had a massive competitive advantage in SEABL only having to fund one team for all these years.

If they're accepted into the new league it'll be interesting to see how their men's team fares when their resources have to be spread across two programs.

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Anonymous  
Last year

so not state by state then if you want tassie teams in.

i assume you have an "except for" in relation to albury as well?

what about the centre of excellence? I could be wrong but I dont think that is in Vic either?

so but for those "exceptions" its state by state.

i guess your definition for "nuff nuffs in adelaide" could also be applied on the exact same basis to the victorian clubs!

or could it be that you just dont want to be beaten consistently by the nuff nuffs from SA?

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Anonymous  
Last year

So if Mt Gambier and the Tassie teams are in. With the exception of adding a couple of Big V clubs, What exactly is changing?

All this to just change a name and boot Canberra out?

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Anonymous  
Last year

I agree that mount gambier have had a clear advantage in not needing to fund the extra women's and junior teams in SEABL , but this might now be a leveller in the competition. Looking at the domestic competition there, it doesn’t look deep as far as women go so they will need to spend dollars on their women’s team

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Anonymous  
Last year

Welcome to the real world Mt G.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Albury/Wodonga are not a NSW team. Their stadium is in NSW but they are a Victorian club. The club is registered in Victoria as are their players. They shouldn't be treated as an interstate team.

Would be very surprised if they weren't admitted into the new league before COE, Mt Gambier or the Tassie teams. Especially since none of the other Victorian teams would need to fly there. The cost to travel to Albury/Wodonga would be a hell of a lot less than Tassie or Mt Gambier as there's no flights and no need for accommodation.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Ok, let's clear just a little of the BS.

Mt Gambier's success has been centered around the last 6 years. That is, during a period where the club was led by a very ambitious president who has now moved on.

More importantly, Richard Hill came to coach and brought his son Brad and Tom Daly to join Matt Sutton and Eric Burdon who were already living there. This coach/player group formed the core of the teams success, along with coach Hill's recruitment of some top imports.

Sutton and Brad Hill are now retired, Burdon on the wrong side of thirty and Daly had some injuries last season.

Coaches and players, and even administrators, move on.

A combination of factors produced a very talented group with an experienced coach. Mt Gambier will find it very difficult to continue this success even without having to field a womens team.

Squads like Hobart, Ballarat, Nuna, Kilsyth etc should be more intimidating over the next few seasons.

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Anonymous  
Last year

no flights need to get to mtg either can also be done without accommodation.

if albury is not a nsw team why did they not get an invite to apply when the other vic clubs did and only when tassie teams did?

will be interesting to see if there have been different rules applied to different teams kept in and out.

i suspect all seabl teams who want in will be in.

there will be some of the bigger non vic seabl teams added.

to the casual fan it wont look any different to seabl.



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Anonymous  
Last year

No one has mentioned the concept of Sat/Sun games and how it will affect MTG and HOB

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Anonymous  
Last year

Accommodation is crucial to the MTG trip. To do the 5+ hour trip in the middle of the night after a game is sheer stupidity. I can't believe someone would even suggest it. Spend the thousand bucks and avoid an horrific accident.

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Anonymous  
Last year

there are professional drivers who do that thing daily without horrific accidents but agree with the accommodation being far the best option though.

cant see how or why saturday or sunday would be any issue?

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Anonymous  
Last year

when do teams find out if they are in or not?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Very late to this thread, a lot of guessing here, symptomatic of very poor communication it seems.

Anon #711921,

The Albury thing is easily resolved isn't it, which Association is entering? Albury (NSW) or Wodonga (Vic)? It can't be both surely?

It should have nothing to do with where the stadium is or where the players are registered, it should only come down to the association entering the competition.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Seabl games have always been played on Frid. sat. and Sunday. What is the issue?

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anonymous  
Last year

Hopefully all will be answered on Wednesday.

At the end of the day Basketball VICTORIA are setting up the new league.

Although I totally agree it would be fantastic to have teams from Tas/SA/NSW involved based on previous success or future success, there hasn't been to much mentioned on how Basketball SA/Tas/NSW have stepped up the plate with the current circumstances.

At the end of the day, BV should be looking at the best interests of its members and providing a structure that delivers the most benefit for Victorian based clubs.

I understand Tas & Mt Gambier want to be involved as it will be the best competition outside of the NBL, but it is a bit rich to expect BV to cater for non-member clubs...

Anyways, let's all hope the announcement on Wednesday pleases the majority and we can move on and support the new league.

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Anonymous  
Last year

You raised a good point, basketball SA surely need to step up and work with mount gambier , it shouldn't all rest on a decision by BV

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Anonymous  
Last year

For, hopefully, the last time.

Mt Gambier are simply not welcome in the local competition. Most clubs are opposed to spending more money to be flogged by a team that is (currently) far better than any of them.

So, for the Pioneers, it is be accepted into the BV competition or cease to exist.

There is nowhere else for them to go. Why do you think they are so desperate to get in?

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Anonymous  
Last year

How big a gap can there be in the SA Comp ? If the pioneers lost 2 players they would otherwise bring in and promoted more locals to start on the court would they still be too strong?

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Anonymous  
Last year

"I understand Tas & Mt Gambier want to be involved as it will be the best competition outside of the NBL, but it is a bit rich to expect BV to cater for non-member clubs..."

Pretty simple cost equalisation. Like the SEabl. It really is that simple except BV don't want to do it.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Why would BSA save MtG when there's no benefit to them, they already lose thousands running their comp with no travel component and they're just doing the minimum with Premier League until the Metro Clubs walk away and run their own comp in 2020?

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Anonymous  
Last year

BSA have a responsibility to SA basketball which last I checked included Mount as they are within that state! They should be ringing them inviting them in for the good of basketball in SA.

Mount might loose a few players as a result and not be that much better than those already on the comp plus who says mount spend the same sort of cash in that league as they might prefer to promote more locals

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Anonymous  
Last year

#712017

Except SEABL's cost equalisation was effectively based on common and equal membership.

I think the point people are trying to make is that Mt Gambier is not an association member of Basketball Victoria.

Bendigo's members all pay fees into BV's coffers for a range of services, from insurance, to referees development to government relations etc. Mt Gambier do not pay those fees, so in any new BV competition, why should they equally access or take advantage of BV's services?

You can assume that BV will operate this on a true cost recovery basis, but that will not be the case in reality. So equalisation becomes problematic, and someone like Mt Gambier would need to end up paying quite a bit more than the others to make up for their overall lack of investment in BV's pretty significant infrastructure.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Maybe SA Country need to get off their arse and support the pioneers? They give associations very little else!

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Anonymous  
Last year

While there might not be equalisation costs the entry fees are still significant. 15k per team ie 30k for each club. 20 club comp that's 600k a year! with clubs meeting their own travel costs what will the money be used for?

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Anonymous  
Last year

It's hard to believe that only 5 months till the season will start, going to be clubs well behind the 8 ball for the first season.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Amazed by the number of South Australians on here who appear to genuinely not care about Mount and consider their inclusion in a league, in their own state to be a massive inconvenience, or view their involvement as unfair to the other clubs.

As somebody who has played SEABL, SCM and D1 BigV, I can tell you that a single road trip is not an inconvenience, or an unreasonable expense. As a player you always looked forward to road trips, especially out country. And to have a club who could really push the rest of your league to improve BasketballSA would be stupid to not want Mount playing in SA should they not be accepted into the new Vic league.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tassie will now be in a few competitions.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Anon 119 unfortunately that is a Victorian opinion-point of view. Anything more than a 30 min travel time is considered a road trip in SA and unacceptable.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think basketballSA Is missing an opportunity and maybe if BV knock back mount gambiers application it will be the catalyst for positive change for basketball here, yes I am South Australia and disillusioned with where basketball is at in this state

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Reality  
Last year

It does seem mad that Adelaide based people don't want to travel once a year.

If BSA was serious about improving senior Bball in the state they want Mount in the league and also be chasing Mildura.

If BSA actually cared they'd look at the Big V and work with Murray Bridge, Border Town, Port Augusta & Port Pirie to get viable senior teams up and going to actually add some depth and longterm strengh to SA senior basketball.

Instead they activiely tell the most elite senior team in the state they're not wanted and should play in Victoria...no wonder SA had a one way freeway for 10 years...just bloody backwards thinkers!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Spoken like a true player who doesn't pay the travel expenses #119.

If teams fly to Mt Gambier you're looking at 20 return flights (two teams) at a minimum of $400 per head. There's $8000 in flights. Plus another $1500 or so for accommodation. All to play one game of basketball.

For Big V teams that are used to paying $15000 per year that's a pretty massive jump to go to $30000 plus travel costs to Mt Gambier and Tasmania.

I can see why some clubs weren't in favour of these interstate teams.

Albury/Wodonga is a different matter as you can drive there and travel back after the game. $200 in petrol is a much better outcome than $10,000 for a trip to Mt Gambier or Tassie.

All will be revealed tomorrow.

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Anonymous  
Last year

No one flies to Mt Gambier, you drive, most seabl teams only fly to Tasmania.

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Anonymous  
Last year

so why is everyone jumping on bsa and criticising for not pushing to have mtg in their league yet no one is being critical of basketball tassie for not wanting their 3 teams? It is exactly the same scenario.

please any suggestion that bordertown, port augusta, port pirie, murray bridge would somehow help strengthen the league needs some help.

mildura applied a few years back and clubs didnt want them (seems that BV is happy for clubs in their state go to another state based comp).


BA surely have a responsibility for all clubs and regardless of their state to find an appropriate and viable league for them to compete in given that they canned a perfectly strong financially viable league in which those teams were competing and which teams were lining up to join.

While accepted in usual circumstances it is not BV responsibility or concern about interstate teams it probably is in this case as it seems pretty obvious that the decision of ba was orchestrated by bv.
anyone able to answer what the 600k bv are collecting will be used for?

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Anonymous  
Last year

It's a 4.5 hours bus ride from Adelaide to Mount Gambier. People making out like it's a 16 hours flight from Sydney to LA.

Just to give some context, this is some of the travel in that happens in BigV. And this is travel by road (car/bus)

Melbourne to Warnambool: 3 hours
Warrnambool to Traralgon: 4.5 hours
Mornington to Shepparton: 3 hours
Melbourne to Mildura: 6 hours
Mildura to Traralgon: 7.5 hours
Dromana to Mildura: 7 hours
Wodonga to Dromana: 4.5 hours
Mildura to Wodonga: 6 hours

And a lot of these trips are taken by smaller clubs. Nobody HAS to fly. If small clubs like Wallan and Maccabi can afford to get from Melbourne to Mildura, I'm sure that clubs in SA who can afford to pay NBL players can get their teams to Mount Gambier.

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Anonymous  
Last year

You would be surprised, quite a few fly to Mt Gambier. Friday night games, allows players/coaches to work half days then fly out early afternoon.

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Reality  
Last year

Think you'll find most SEABL teams and the Ref's fly into Mount on REX.

In my time in SEABL we always flew over and stay the night flying back on the Saturday flight.

@Anon BV are collecting the $600K in fees to pay the following costs:

Staff: $200K (2 or 3 people plus super/tax etc)
Ref's: Not sure but would be cheap including refs advisers etc but have to be at least $300-$350K
Website/Media: $5,000
Office Rent/Expenses: $40K

Without looking to hard at other costs like admin car or the like we could be up around the $500-$600K pretty easily.





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Anonymous  
Last year

seems that they are used to travel then. a trip to mount gambier 4.5 hours (from melbourne) shouldnt be difficult then.

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paul  
Last year

"BA surely have a responsibility for all clubs and regardless of their state to find an appropriate and viable league for them to compete in given that they canned a perfectly strong financially viable league in which those teams were competing and which teams were lining up to join."

Nailed it.

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LC  
Last year

My quick take on travel costs: SEABL's equalisation for travel expenses worked. Most teams in SEABL were Victorian. Why not keep the travel equalisation? If Big V Champ teams want to then join the new elite league, then they have to step up to the plate. If they can't afford it, then they don't deserve to be in it.

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Anonymous  
Last year

yes most clubs did fly into mt gambier when there were equalisation payments. however there is no real need to do so. if costs are a concern and without equalisation payments those clubs can drie. as said above its only a 4.5 hour trip.
do you think that mt gambier flew to melbourne and all other venues? even with equalisation this wasnt the case. mt gambier was able to travel on the road to their games but teams have to fly in to play them? mt gambier did have some trips by plane. eg tassie trip, canberra trip each year and one two others but predominately they drove to their games.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Equalisation costs didn't work for everybody. I could never understand the fairness of a team like Albury/Wodonga paying the same amount as everybody else when they only flew once a year. I think the way BV are going is right. If the Tassie teams want to join the comp they should pay their own way. it shouldn't be up to the teams that don't fly to subsidise the travel costs of the teams that do.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"No one flies" to The Mount. That's simply BS.
"Albury/Wodonga is a different matter as you can drive there and travel back after the game. $200 in petrol is a much better outcome than $10,000 for a trip to Mt Gambier or Tassie."

Yes if you want to have your team potentially killed by doing that, you are foolish.

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anon  
Last year

"Equalisation costs didn't work for everybody. I could never understand the fairness of a team like Albury/Wodonga paying the same amount as everybody else when they only flew once a year. I think the way BV are going is right. If the Tassie teams want to join the comp they should pay their own way. it shouldn't be up to the teams that don't fly to subsidise the travel costs of the teams that do"

It depends on whether you want a full state competition or not. It works for QBL and I would hate to list the distances travelled there.

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Reality  
Last year

The key is its a BV league now so if the majority of clubs in this div don't want to pay the extra costs for travel equalization and have a option not to they'll take the cheaper option 9 times out of 10! It called self interest and club reps have an obligation to there clubs not to some one elses.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"$10,000 for a trip to Mt Gambier...." hahaha

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Anonymous  
Last year

Ummm, Rex flight from Melbourne to Mt Gambier is currently showing as $440 per head. Two teams of eight players plus two coaches = 20 people. 20 x $440 = $8800 plus accommodation and food you're going to be pretty close to $10,000.

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Reality  
Last year

Alot of people are talking about BA paying alot of the travel bills for at least the next 12 months to cover there backside.

Only problem is it just pushing the problem 12 months into the future.



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Anon  
Last year

Up until last season when SEABL changed the arrangements, the Pioneers had always driven to Melbourne to play. BTW they had the best road record over 5 years doing this. No big deal and not very expensive.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Albury would fly to MtGambier surely? Canberra, Tassie and Brisbane most recently.

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Anonymous  
Last year

NW Thunder has an article on the Tassie scenario. Lot's of if's in there.
https://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/5728822/elite-comp-hope-for-the-north-west-thunder/?cs=88&fbclid=IwAR334nVsa6r58cGsoTvLCcuLk94CdEjAsPf8cLC8GD4864TcW1oITEyGXXs

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Anonymous  
Last year

Can't wait for the announcement tomorrow so everyone can stop guessing.

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Anonymous  
Last year

if you are not so precious and drive to mt gambier it is far less than the 10k!!!

if you are silly enough to think the only option is to fly if you just book more than 30days in advance (not hard as there will be a fixture) tickets are $129.

mtg should not have to contribute to flight costs when teams can drive. if they want to fly no issue but surely has to b at there own costs just like bendigo who have been know to charter a flight.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Fingers crossed for the good basketball people in Mt Gambier and Tassie.

Hopefully, reasonable compromises can be found.

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Anonymous  
Last year

precious hahaha.

People have lives, families ... WORK.

We're not talking about professionals here. Driving takes time people don't have. It's not being precious mate its reality that we're talking about a semi-pro/amateur league.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Then don't play. If you want to be amateur play reserves on a Tuesday night.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Its a semi pro league Take a day off work to not get paid. Sure. Like so many here they all have opinions based on no playing experience and any elite level.Yet are happy to say they are right.

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Blerg  
Last year

Do you South Australians realise that travel in involved in every other senior semi-pro state league in the country, and that your Meteo senior league is the exception here? Amazes me that travelling a few hours away once a season could possibly be such a massive deal. The resistance to progress is one of the reasons your state league is so far behind all the others and why the game isn't growing in SA.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Any updates in regards to the announcement of the new league and teams involved ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

That is supposed to be revealed today.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Do you non south Australians realise that the premier league is a long way from a semi pro league? Do you realise it is not a state league but rather an Adelaide league? Do you realise that the largest centre outside of Adelaide has a population of just 28k? The Adelaide league is significantly different to "other state leagues" particularly Victorian leagues to which it is for some reason being compared?

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Reality  
Last year

@Anon when you say Melb peple should just drive, you should try hitting the road to Mount on a Friday. I can tell you with Melb traffic it took over 6 hours the 3 times we did it which means a day off work for all the coaches, players and any support staff.

Not to mention the loss of a day driving back so flying is the only realistic option for most teams.

Its only once a year but in a Vic league why should Vic teams be penalized when Mount have a state comp based in SA to play in?

Personally i'd love Mount to stay in the new league but it would also be better for SA bball if Mount played in our league to push the Adelaide clubs to be more professional.

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Or MTG could just have their home games on Saturday nights, just like Mildura, Wodonga, Warrnambool, etc in Big V, no days off work needed.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Great idea. Drive there Saturday. Play, lose and drive back sunday and be non functional at work. Piss off.

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Anon  
Last year

So some people think its too tough to drive to MG once a year to play. MG have been driving to Melbourne, Bendigo Ballarat and Geelong for 30 years. When teams play in Tas they fly to Hobart and drive to NWT the next day to play. Tough league makes tough and competitive teams and players. Harden up.

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Anonymous  
Last year

wow, toughen up princess

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yeah Hobart to NWT is 3 hours that's a tough trip.

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Haha, Basketball Victoria have on their website that they are experiencing phone outages.... sounds to me like emails have just been sent and the phones are off the hook!

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Basketball Victoria experiencing telephone outages - Basketball Victoria
http://basketballvictoria.com.au/basketball-victoria-experience-telephone-outages/

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Anonymous  
Last year

WA has its majority of population in Perth with the largest town outside of it with 30K just like SA. And guess what? Its state league the SBL has country teams!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Not just like SA.

Bunbury has a population of 85,000+
Busselton 38,000+
Geraldton 37,000+
Albany 34,000+
Kalgoorlie 30,000+

All larger than MtG which is SA's second largest town with 29,000+ population.

You can't just make SA be like another state. It is what it is. Basketball is just one part of that reality.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Population dynamics of city:towns in WA and SA aren't that much different.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Says you. Facts prove you wrong. WA has a very robust Country Town population and economy compared to the ever shrinking SA Country population.

It's not even close.

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Reality  
Last year

SA in terms of BSA lack vision as does the general mentality of the entire state hence they lost the GP and its considered a back water in terms of culture and economy, people are generally lovely but just an overall mentality and the SA best type thing they have going on.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Where will the announcement be made about the new league?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Has anyone heard anything?

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Not exactly the news we are looking for...

.... but Frankston Blues have announced a new Senior Womens coach in "Basketball Victoria's newly created league - Super V."

as per

http://blues.fdba.com.au/2018/10/30/blues-senior-women-coaching-announcement/


Interesting name of the league if so.

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Anonymous  
Last year

My belief was the new league was proposing no Friday games. So big difference to interstate teams.

Lots of things rumoured, so will be good to bed some things down and start moving forward. Desperately waiting to hear something...c'mon BV...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Anyone no how the clubs are to be informed or will it just be an announcement on media

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Anonymous  
Last year

4pm announcement

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Anonymous  
Last year

announced where or how?

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Happy Days  
Last year

Top division 18 teams 2 divisions of 9. Tassie IN Mt Gambier OUT. 14 SEABL Teams 4 Big V teams in top division.

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anonymous  
Last year

I think we just need to wait for announcement

Happy Days there are only 16 original SEABL teams incl Mt Gambier, Hobart, NW Tasmania, Canberra. Are you trying to say all teams are in apart from Mt Gambier and Canberra

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mt G in.... Canberra out.

BA to announce soon.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Waverley and Ringwood are definitely confirmed in.
Announcement being made tonight on BIG V website.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Eltham too.

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Happy Days  
Last year

Canberra and Mt Gambier out to reduce costs.Drops SEABL clubs to 14 plus 4 Big V clubs makes 18.

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Anonymous  
Last year

if it is now being announced tonight how then is it that ringwood and waverly are definately confirmed in?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Clubs have been informed.

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Happy Days  
Last year

Clubs were told today but embargoed until 4pm.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Eltham can't be in. Their women were relegated to division 1.

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Anonymous  
Last year

BA sent out an email this afternoon effectively announcing the official death of the SEABL.

The email confirmed that Canberra men and women and Sydney women had applied to join the Waratah.

The email also confirmed that some clubs had expressed either in writing or verbally to BA that they were out.

BA trying to spin it that the VIC SEABL clubs "left SEABL" not, "we didn't want to run the league and we weren't going to sanction it". Basically pulling a Pilate and washing their hands of it.

Mount Gambier being left out makes sense another only hope is to now be allowed into the SA state league which, given SA basketball politics, appears very slim.

Probably change the Thread title - SEABL is over. There's no SEABL in 2019.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Canberra and Sydney are out and have allowed notified BSNW of their intention to play Waratah. Everyone else has applied, clubs have been advised.

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Anonymous  
Last year

BV wesbsite

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Anonymous  
Last year

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/foundation-licences-announced-for-basketball-victorias-new-league/

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Anonymous  
Last year

Eltham women relegated means nothing, DV men and women finished in the bottom few the year they went to SEABL, as were Melbourne, and both recruit a whole roster, with very minimal players left form theor Big V season. Maybe it has a lot to do with on and off the court, men and women as a whole.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Not everyone else applied. Some teams were invited in.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Number of games?
Friday games?
Timing of season?

So much information still to announce.

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Anonymous  
Last year

RIP Mount Gambier

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Anonymous  
Last year

RIP Mt Gambier

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Anonymous  
Last year

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/foundation-licences-announced-for-basketball-victorias-new-league/

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Albury-Wodonga
Ballarat
Bendigo
Basketball Australia Centre of Excellence
Dandenong
Diamond Valley
Eltham
Frankston
Geelong
Hobart
Kilsyth
Knox
Melbourne Tigers
North West Thunder / Launceston (co-licencees)
Nunawading
Ringwood
Sandringham
Waverley

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Anonymous  
Last year

Very disappointing for western Melbourne basketball.
Didn't need more teams on top of each other in the E and SE.

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Anonymous  
Last year

http://basketballvictoria.com.au/foundation-licences-announced-for-basketball-victorias-new-league/

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Anonymous  
Last year

2541 it does mean something. As a sunbury supporter, we were not allowed in due to the men not being up to it. What is the difference?

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Anonymous  
Last year

So they leave Albury Wodonga in but can Mt.Gambier?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Can't really compare Albury/Wodonga to Mt Gambier.

A/W already have a men's and women's team and are only a three hour drive from Melbourne.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Whilst it's sad for mount gambier , it forces them into discussions with their own state body, this might lead to an improved SA Basketball comp but the pioneers might need to suffer a bit of pain in order for the long term future of the sport in SA

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Anonymous  
Last year

To say they have no future straight away would be for them to throw in the towel and effectively say they want nothing to do with their own state. They need to sit down and have serious discussions with SA Basketball..,.....or throw in the towel

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PersonalFoul  
Last year

No MTG

18 teams - two conferences maybe???

Is this run by the Big V or BV? or both?

Waiting for more information - what a tease, you'd think for promotion and sponsors you'd line all your ducks up at once

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Anonymous  
Last year

Coe will be in victoria then?

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

Are there 2 spots left open in each for the Tassie teams?

Are Geelong Div 1 now not allowed to compete like everyone else?

Will the Big V structure below now change?

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Anonymous  
Last year

By their reasoning, yes.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Excuse me all you basketball professionals so what
Happens to basketball pathway in the west. Not one team
Picked. A simple answer would be okay.

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John  
Last year

So where are all those people that "Confirmed" that the Tas teams were out ?
It is a pity about Mt Gambier, but at least we know now what the structure is of the new competition and can look forward to it.

Aside from MG, Canberra & Sydney, it's essentially the same SEABL competition. Something that was scoffed at by many.

It also raises the question of the rest of the Big V and how it will be made up, if Eltham, Waverly & Ringwood are going up ? Top couple of D1 go up? top couple of D2 go up ? Will State Champ still be known as that ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Surprised Casey aren't in.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tassie has been out and still may be out. There only offered a spot in the new competition last Thursday.

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anonymous  
Last year

very interesting and disappointing announcement...

18 teams when the target was 20

As mentioned, no teams from western suburbs

Teams in the 18 who clearly don't tick off on the pre-reqs around venue, men/women (Tas combined to meet this), and not competitive teams like Frankston

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Anon  
Last year

Wow no west teams

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Anon  
Last year

Wow no west teams

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Anonymous  
Last year

Isn't Geelong west?
No other teams would be competitive in Men's & Women's comp.
Same with Casey.

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paul  
Last year

I think they're talking about western Melbourne suburbs, rather than regional locations in the west like Ballarat or Geelong.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Which clubs in the west should be considered? Werribee? Keilor?

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John  
Last year

But they were still offered a spot (Tas Teams). So the reports were wrong that they weren't going to be.

If the new structure does in fact include promotion/relegation, then if your team missed out, they'll find their way in, and if a club is there that shouldn't be, they'll find their way out.
Either way, looking forward to seeing the new comp and what it provides.

Or we could just sit here and complain about the whole thing.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Why no Tesms from Western metropolitan Melbourne? Could have had any of Werribee, Hume, Sunbury or Keilor. All at some point showed interest.

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Anonymous  
Last year

#712568 asked...

Excuse me all you basketball professionals so what
Happens to basketball pathway in the west. Not one team
Picked. A simple answer would be okay.

Seeing its NO different to what it has been the last 15 years... what answer do you want?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Dear Mt Gambier Pioneers,

Thank you so much for your contribution to the SEABL competition over the last thirty years. Honestly, we've loved having you.

We now respectfully request that you take hold of your:
Four championship banners,
Five grand finals in the last six years,
Regular home game attendences of around 800 or more, and
Strong community acceptance and support,

And insert them as far up your rear end as you can.

Love,
BA/BV.

Perhaps not the exact words but you get the sentiment..

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Anonymous  
Last year

What will happen to SCM and SCW?

SCW will no only have 6 teams. Will they have a 20 game season playing everyone 4 times lmao

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Anonymous  
Last year

So whats happening to gambier? SA Premier league?

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Fastbreak  
Last year

Pioneers extended an invitation to apply for the new comp that was never a genuine invitation. BV were never going to let them join. As for BA they are a joke and completely controlled by BV. It's a real shame for a fantastic club with 30 years of history. Enjoy playing in front of 100 people!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Don't be surprised if MtGsmbier play SCM. The only reason they did not get into the new league was because they didn’t have s Women’s team. Had nothing to do with being in SA

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mount got the short shift but blind Freddie knew this was happening! BA @ BTAS stumping cash up to help travel costs only reason the tassie teams got in.

It's sad that no team from the west/north got in with booking populations and future growth short term pain of having one of those club in made sense in the long term particularly when clubs basically next door in the east get in like Eltham/DV when you compare the growth to Keillor/Werribee and the facilities but we know who has all the favours at BV


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Fastbreak  
Last year

The pioneers committed to fielding a women's team but couldn’t put one together before being accepted into the league. So they could never be successful with that reasoning.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So the top two tiers will be:

Super V
Big V

?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Who cares after that Take your frustrations out on BA.
Top league now invented with a shit league now invented. Thanks BA

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Anonymous  
Last year

Why are the AIS in this competition or what ever they call themselves now?
Gunners have been a basket case for a long time unfortunately.
Gunners article here.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/basketball/is-this-the-end-for-the-canberra-gunners-after-seabl-goes-bust-20181031-p50d8k.html

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Anon  
Last year

The western-most team in the Melbourne metro area is the Melbourne Tigers themselves, who actually play in Oakleigh. So I guess for arguments sake - that makes the south-eastern Sandringham the most geographically western team in the metro area. Awesome stuff BV - way to demonstrate a commitment to a 'statewide' program.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Maybe Werribee,Kei.or,Sunbury will have to earn a spot.
Not good enough yet.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Is the end of year interstate ACC championship tournament still going to be done, as they previously discussed, has anymore details emerged about it or when announcements might be made?

Also does this mean there will be an increase in salaries for the Super V comp or is it essentially a SEABL 2.0 ?

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Anonymous  
Last year

^^^^ COE (AIS) allowed to play as once the upgrade happens at the State Basketball Centre in Wantirna, the COE will have a new home. Better to have them in the comp now rather than wait a year or two.

Western suburbs teams were asked but some declined due to lack of finance or not having the resources (on and off court) to compete.

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Anonymous  
Last year

FWIH it's extremely unlikely the CoE will move to Melbourne.

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Anonymous  
Last year

State Championship tournament is being planned for 2020. Looking to hold it on the Gold Coast.

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Anonymous  
Last year

When are BigV going to restructure SCM/SCW as a result of this?

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Reality  
Last year

Not sure salaries will increse in the new league.

Ex SEABL clubs will have additional funds to spend but when it comes to club committees etc travel/entry costs are more likely to head back into the club coffers than increasing player payments by any significant amount.

A few of the better SCM players from teams not in the new Super V league might be be looking for gigs in the new league so don't expect they'll be getting payrises for that.

Plus outside Ringwood & Waverley the other big V teams stepping up (DV/Eltham/Knox) aren't exactly big spenders in recent times for various reasons so they aren't going to be pushing up salaries.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Expect to see Big V SCM & W have their import restrictions changed from 2 to 1 only. This will cascade down to Div 1 & 2 not allowed to have any imports. A big plus in my eyes. Makes teams develop from within and those clubs not good enough in lower divisions who reply on an import to be competitive die a quick death.

Unless BA give the Big V League an exemption to the current FIBA rule. I Hope not.

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Reality  
Last year

Chaging the Import rules would be a great move for those clubs that really just rely on imports to even put a half decent team on the floor.

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Melbourne Boy  
Last year

The only division in question will be if SCM can have 2 or 1 import, can't see why Div 1 and 2 would change anything and not allow imports at all.

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Anonymous  
Last year

If having imports helps put teams on the floor and keeps others playing the sport then that can only be a good thing for the sport....

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John  
Last year

Not to mention what that import does for their local community / young kids in the area, for any Association that has one.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Waverely aren't spending big on the imports they have already signed for 2019 season.

Knox are known big spenders. And are throwing a lot of money around during their current recruiting process for 2019 season.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Most the teams already have their signings. So doubt increase in payment for players.

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Bear  
Last year

The question over imports is not as clear as yes or no, it is very much needed at some Associations and not so much at others. Tough to make a call like yes/no on imports, however is worth its own discussion IMHO...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Surely they can't restrict SCM to one import this late. Most teams will already have imports sorted etc.

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Anonymous  
Last year

If no imports are allowed in lower divisions it will be who will get the best naturalised australian who used to be american.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Just read pioneers press release , it exposes their own boards lack of planning and perhaps their own negligence in ignoring the importance of the women's program. It’s one thing to say that BA didn’t insist they have a women’s team, but when everyone else has one and new applicants must demonstrate a plan to, well it suggests the pioneers board stuck their head in the sand and chose to ignore what was going on around them. Now their application to enter the new league fails because they can’t demonstrate an established women’s and it’s everyone else’s fault. Sorry pioneers board but you intent on chasing a men’s championship became all consuming and it is apparent that you were focussed on a team not a club

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Reality  
Last year

The statement from Mount was very professional until.....this:

"Well thanks Ned, it did happen and your (BA's) action has done exactly that. It has left the Pioneers and our thirty year history in the cold. It threatens our community with the loss of a much loved community asset that continues to enrich the lives of many and has done so since 1988."

That isn't going to help you negotiate entry to a new league or get any assistance from BA! Like it or not Mount need all the help they can get and have now effectively slammed the door on BA and we all know those at BA are very close with BV so good luck playing in the SA League (oh wait that won't happen either!)

At least you have the CBL to look forward to...GO LAKERS GO

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Anonymous  
Last year

Teams have already signed imports to contracts. It would be a legal nightmare to change the rules now. Surely Big V are smart enough to realize that.

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Anon  
Last year

Given that Ned guaranteed the future for all SEABL clubs I would expect some kind of reaction form the Pioneers. All is well in Victoria with a new version of SEABL with all clubs that applied other than Mount Gambier in. I am sure the Mount wish they had a women's team and had a few more than 4 days to submit how they could establish and sustain one.
BTW last time I looked NWT didn't have a women's team and Launceston no men's team and Sydney have been playing without a men's team. All much larger communities than Mount Gambier. Anyone that really knows how the Pioneers have operated would know that in times of need the community would rally behind the club. The work that the club and community have done in a short time shows their ability to establish a women's team and sustain it. After all it was this or extinction This from a population base of 25K. Looks like its extinction unfortunately. You summed it up well when you said "we all know that BA and BV are close"
30 years of history just wiped and you expect them to be diplomatic.

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Perthworld  
Last year

They were pioneers at not having a women's team.

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Anonymous  
Last year

There certainly was talk that the Pioneers were going to sue BA for failure to deliver on any of their promises.
The thread title is no longer applicable either. SEABL is no unfortunately dead.

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Anonymous  
Last year

If mount are still trying to rally support behind closed doors then taking pot shots at BA in a statement isn't the way to do it!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Hardly a pot shot when it's factually correct.

I don’t think pioneers will go down without fight, doubt this is over yet.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Mtg will be in SCM Big V next year

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Anonymous  
Last year

wrong

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Anonymous  
Last year

It's just a bizarre concept this whole thing. There were a bunch of SEABL teams looking to get out of SEABL due to costs, travel and a bunch of other reasons. The power struggle to put a top team on the court got very expensive and the bigger clubs (the ones with massive junior programs - for those of you not in Vic that's 6000+ kids) could afford it. Tigers and DV were on their way back, Knox recently returned couldn't see the value. Now we've got SEABL 2.0. Because really that's what it is. Pretty much the same costs are going to be involved (wait until Ringwood have to report that to their member base). The travel is almost the same (Tassie, Albury, Bendigo, Canberra? nobody seems to know). Just administered by BV and not BA. Seriously its just BV picking up something that really not many clubs actually wanted. 2 years it will be Victoria only as the licencees will drive the change and not BA/BV. Tassie, start developing your own league as the clock is ticking............isn't it Mount Gambier?

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Bigger questions  
Last year

So three years ago, BA take over SEABL and book over $250,000 of assets (according to Annual Report of 2016), although I had heard that the amount was closer to 400,000. Run the competition for three years, and then shut it down- good money. A friend with a history in SEABL had been very vocal about not giving up the SEABL assets, but was ignored. Are there people who were involved with SEABL, now at BA, who should bear some responsibility?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Tassie has a few comps but they are separate. I wouldn't want to be driving to Burnie of Smithon every month of so. 4 - 6 hours. It's not quite as small as Melbourne.

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Bear  
Last year

Woah, @'Bigger Questions', I think that there could be a thread of its own if you can dig up some history or facts on the matter? Something often overlooked is the important stuff for the flashy stuff...

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Anonymous  
Last year

I can confirm the book value of the SEABL assets handed over to BA was in fact $256,243 (as per annual report).

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Anonymous  
Last year

From what I understand close to 400k was handed over from Seabl to BA. As i understand BA say that is ours but we might use it to help ease travel costs for new clubs in elite league. That is help those clubs who made no contributions to it, while clubs that did but now don't have a spot in the league (Canberra and Mount) more bad luck. BA have a lot toy answer for

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