Giants are defo in some trouble off court and nearly half way through October, dragging their feet with advertising for head coach.

Havent really had much success with attracting/retaining Oz players let alone coaches - assumptions would be that would have appointed coaches locally and concentrated efforts on recruitment.

Hope im wrong but sad how such a proud club has gone through such a tough few years with no signs of improvement, again based on outsider looking in.

Earnest Ross to Joondalup. Seems Ben Ettridge has pulled out his immigration map like he complained about at the start of the year. Spent all year having a sook about it.

http://sbl.asn.au/2018/04/13/mens-sbl-preview-week-5/

Have a read of how smug and ridiculous this article is and then see what he's just done to the Buccs. Poaching players and paying big money to get them down to Joondalup. But yeah all his players are home grown.

#builtnotbought

Seems to be a bit of a false hashtag now doesn't it?

With Kyle Armour moving to Lakeside wouldn't surprise me if Jake Burston was to follow.

Who is Jake Burston?

Are teams targeting young Grida yet?

Grida been targeted heavily in the SEABL / whatever the new league will be
would be suprised to see him return to Perth unless a club can fork out the $$$. He would deserve every cent of it too

i cant help but laugh at the built not bought hashtag

wunders enjoy your retirement mate, well deserved after a great sbl career

I am really getting worried about the South West Slammers ability to field a team next season. Rumour had Teny Puot returning but don't think that will happening and they look like losing Durnin, Voelkel and Thompson at the very least. Any other rumours of signings or re-signings for that club???

Slammers need a coach!

they threw everything at getting Utley but missed out.

players find it hard to commit to playing for a club not knowing who the coach will be

they are essentially back to the pre-Ty Harrelson era where they won 1 game in approx 3 seasons

Looks like a bunch of 15 year olds will have to step up!!! Exciting times

HAHA this is gold!

Lets be honest Ettridge (Ben Dover) has no integrity at all.

He has not developed one player at all.

Reece Maxwell who is a hell of a kid, deserves a championship but wont get it under ego, or ben-dover, Maxy deserves better.

The GF's he has lost when odds on favourite is hilarious.
Choke once, choke twice, but not a third.

Classic Ben Dover.

lol @ Sunset Sam.

3 of those players you names are imports who shop themselves around hahahah of course you'd take a proven player over some empty promise (alla Zollo, Guerin, Palkert)

Let me have a go.

Kalamunda (Davis, Timms)
Cockburn (Steph Jones, Priestley, Gandini, Chan)
East Perth (Davis, Easley, Tawhiti, Anthony)
Stirling (Kisha Lee)
Hawks (Holmen, Thomas, Cassir)

Giants have made some positive strides in the last few years fielding men's and women’s division one sides, but they are still struggling big tome on the court. They will be onto their sixth coach in the last seven years and have only been able to get a handful of Perth players up in that time. Very sad times. A good Kalgoorlie team makes for a better league

"lol @ Sunset Sam.

3 of those players you names are imports who shop themselves around hahahah of course you'd take a proven player over some empty promise (alla Zollo, Guerin, Palkert)"

Why is Palkert mentioned there? He didn't rip the league up but he was very solid. 20/10 and led the league in blocks at 2.5 a game.... Consistent outside shooter at 6"10.

Palkert AKA the big cat!

sorry I meant that TJ Hallice kid

Stiendel to woolves next.

Home grown talent.

Import x 2
Ross
Stiendel
Huntington
Salinas
Trian

Top 7 players not wolves locals.

If you cant beat them join them.
Nothing wrong with that, its in the rules.

Just please don't preach otherwise.

the strength of the wolf is in the pack

unless you can buy in stronger wolves for hire

i think thats the biggest issue around with the discontent of the Wolves - the preaching aspect. Hard to assemble home grown and be competitive in a comp that continue to get better each year

Wonder how Denehey feels about signing now after Wolves just signed Pirini plus Amos also expected back.
Very crowded at point guard

Etto going for 4 straight!!
I believe in you!

wolfpack

BIGBALLER

WOLFPACK

More like players are attracted to the $$$.

That level of professionalism got you second bottom last year and a coach that couldn't even turn up every week. So attractive!

Perhaos you mean attracted to the Paypack not the wolfpack

Leader$ of the Pack

WOLVE$ $BL

#BOUGHTNOTBUILT

I've also heard poached locals at Wolves get $500 per game.

The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf......The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf.....The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf......The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf.....The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf......The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf.....The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf......The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf.....The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf......The big bad wolf............The big bad wolf.............the big bad wolf...............the big bad wolf......

HAWKIES HAWKIES HAWKIES HAWKIES HAWKIES, HAWKIES HAWKIES

INCY BITSY SPIDER CLIMBED UP THE WATER SPOUT, DOWN CAME THE RAIN AND WATCH THE SPIDER OUT.

OH WE'RE FROM COUGAR LAND, A FIGHTING FURY WE'RE FROM COUGAR LAND

I THINK YOU MEAN "WASHED" THE SPIDER OUT

WSBL - WOLVES.

AMOS
DENEHEY
PRIYINI

denehey is not a point guard , she will play the 2 guard .
however saying that I would take Chelsea belcher over Georgia denehey.

they are stacked if the keep there veterans and add 2x imports.
steindel will be naturalised as well.

AMOS
PRIYINI
DENEHEY
BELCHER
MARTIN
IRONMONGER
KIDNER
STEINDEL

2 IMPORTS ?

with that squad they will challenge lakeside ,magic etc.

Will Amos be back by the beginning of the season? I doubt it.

well according to the Wolves when they announced her signing she is:

"Denehey is fast emerging as one of the best point guard's in the State, a fast and polished performer with elite decision-making abilities"

http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?client=0-892-0-0-0&sID=9413&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=63511307

I don't think lakeside will be average.
Mansfield will find 1 import and schagmeyer will qualify for finals.
wouldn't surprise to see a bench wsbl player non- restricted line-up for them as well

Good move by Miotti to drive through traffic in the car to be recruited over the top of and already forgotten!

Better than playing at Cockburn and not improving. More talent, better practice, less court time perhaps but vast improvements in your game.

where has miotti ended up playing ?

Pal to Rockingham https://www.facebook.com/events/260581874600143/permalink/264187544239576/

"Cockburn is where basketball careers go to die"

Name one?

Cockburn operates on 10-30% budget of other clubs.
Its an absolute credit they get done what they do with out the budget.

If they had 2 x imports for the last 15yrs like everyone else (even playing field) they likely win half that in championships.
On average they have had the bets locals over that time.

Look at that stats when they have 2 x imports, its actually incredible.

They are facts.

the cockburn women's program is one big donut

Steph Jones & Keisha Lee are imports - they are facts

Cockburn work on half the budget? If only they got two imports? What are you on about? Cockburn have had two imports many times. They are often duds in the recent years which is the problem. The years they actually get good imports they are some of the best in the league.

You made the comment about the best locals. Who? Gavin Field! who else? If Cockburn work on 10-30% of the budget of other clubs, then perhaps that is a very good sign to poor management and leadership from the top > downwards.

You can't use that as an excuse forever, it is not a positive. If your club is not financially stable then thats on the management.

craig Reynolds and the rockingham womens program are about to sign demi skinner from south Australia a former Australian junior player , Adelaide lightning player. skinner played in sa premier league last season and is rated as one of the top players in the competition. skinner is an inside outside player and stands ' 6-1 ' - good pick up.

QUOTE Steph Jones & Keisha Lee are imports - they are facts


HAHA obviously talking abt real basketball (Mens).

last years leading point scorer and all star 5 player anita brown is not being re-signed by Mandurah magic and is looking for a new club.

word is Tigers are now looking to upgrade on their own Mitch Clarke for Mitch Clarke (Hawks). Also heard Caleb Davis is heading that way..

1. Andrew Black
2. Damien Scott
3. Caleb Davis
4. Maurice Barrow
5. Adrian Forbes

Michael Garbellini
Mitchell Clarke
Scott Elder
Nic Cody
Hayden Noordhoek
Jake Burston (subject to Jem Wolfie being offered a season pass)

Tigers should look to upgrade their coach first. No amount of talent is going to win them a 'chip if they have an avg coach.

Tigers need a point guard with departure of Armour! Not sure if Black is the answer at PG

Tigers have Hamish Cummings sitting right there. He is young but he is very good. They may as well get a good year out of him before he goes to college!

goldfields giants are apparently facing a major money issue.

Think you have your Associations mixed up. slammers in dire straits

No Board
No junior competition
Players walking away - Durnin gone, Denehey gone, Burrows gone

Giants are indeed struggling with financial issues and the fact that they have still yet to announce a coach for next year, can only assume that another year/s of bottom dwelling again - such a shame that the regional clubs are struggling. Certainly makes for a better comp when regional teams are in a stronger position on/off court

im sure nikita martin wasn't happy with what went on this yr. hawks could also see megan McKay ? if she decides to keep in shape after college.would dominate most bigs.
could we also see the return of maddi dennis perhaps for Kalamunda ?
I think Nathan winch and the slammers have got their import selection in makahlia dyer wrong - they need bigs .

Dennis and Fipps aren't the same position or player type.

sorry !! grover-winch . I forget he said " I do ".

Rocko with the open cheque book

I said Rocko not Lacko if you are responding to previous post

Two solid imports for Flames now https://thewest.com.au/news/sound-southern-telegraph/new-rockingham-flames-import-white-ticks-all-the-boxes-says-coach-petrik-ng-b881014597z

Hire one-and-done at Rocko it seems

SBL Transactions page https://www.facebook.com/events/260581874600143/268174157174248/

Thought you would have been all over this, koberulz.

love to see that rocko pay roll.

Seb and Damo wouldnt be getting a pay check for a few years now.

Etto is the best!

Hire was not unrestricted last season. Will he be unrestricted based on NBL minutes?

Robbins back in basketball. Thats good for the leagues suspension rates and fights per game and dirty plays per minute.

misalienous
Surprisingly, Kevin White is averaging 18.45 mins a game for Illawarra atm!

Ettridge cops a bit of flack.
But I guess at least he gets his teams to the GF's.

I think apart from his arrogance and contradicting articles, the main backlash comes on GF night.

He has been favourite in each of those 3 games and lost.
If you swapped Parsons and Ettridge in 2016 & 2018 then Wolves win by double figures both games.

2017 not so much, but still the margin was insane.

#4peat

you guys forget that whilst these clubs pay all of the imports, nbl players and other local talent, these infamous coaches themselves dont come cheap.

Lako and Ettridge probably on the $15k+ range per season

Your top 5 Aussie players maybe max $350 per week (not game).
Decent Aussies players $200 and under per week.
Heap of plebs getting fuel or taking $50 a game just to say they are paid.

That really is abt it.

its called creative accounting

Koberulz, so what are the accurate numbers then?

True imports or restricted players - $550 to $1000 per week
Good unrestricted Australian - $400 to $800 per week
Handy local - $200 to $300 per week

Ha ha ... it's obvious this forum is full of keyboard warriors rather than club volunteers. How about you all get involved in your club and sbl teams as you might be surprised what the payment facts look like.
Although ... you wouldn’t want facts to get in the way of a good slander!

Chris Clausen on $500!

Thanks Koberulz, it was a serious question and was hoping for a reasonable reply

there is no way Lako and Ettridge are making $15K a year.

Lacko and Ettridge are on $15000 easily. Parsons didn't get resigned at Cockburn because he wanted an increase in pay after winning a championship and Cockburn are supposedly poor. (If you listen to the board there) so I am sure Redbcaks and Wolves are paying their coaches around that maybe a tiny bit less.

Players get paid everywhere around the league and yes plebs are getting $50 for fuel to make them want to stay at the clubs they are at and to make them feel like they are any good. It's a ploy to keep juniors around the club.

Good unrestricted Australian - $400 to $800 per week

HAHA mate tell me one Aussie that would be getting $800 per week.

The Aussies in this league are very watered down.
Aside from say Gav Field who is it the best Aussie by a country mile.

Who else is worth over $400 a week?

If they are any good they are off playing elsewhere.

People that laugh at those numbers are clearly not involved in discussions and contracts with players over the last couple of seasons.

If Ettridge is on $15,000 then Parsons must be on $20,000+

He clearly has Ettridge covered in coaching ability.

Anytime a coach has less talent then the opposition coach and continually gets the better off him speaks volumes on ones ability to coach.

Just because someone is better it doesnt mean they get paid more. Perry Lakes has a smaller budget than Redbacks and Wolves, and now you could probably throw Flames into that mix.

Parsons would be on decent money for SBL coaches but not as much as the two previously mentioned.

Lets not forget probably the oldest trick in the book. put $150 through on the books and we will pay you the rest to coach a wabl team or do a camp or coach in an Academy. the books might say one thing, but the actual income in reality is often far higher.

"Parsons didn't get resigned at Cockburn because he wanted an increase in pay after winning a championship and Cockburn are supposedly poor."

well that's a bit skewed... he left Cockburn after two years of basically being team manager and sbl director as well. He wanted less club responsibility and more just team-based responsibility.

about 8-10 years ago know both Justin brown and adrain mastrovich were receiving $ 750 per game .
so I agree, people scoffing about this sort of money have no idea.

I know australian woman that have been paid 500.00 a game.

I know a coach in the SBL who is not ettrige lako or parsons that is on $15k

Parsons was doing more than just coaching at Cockburn no one is disputing that but he did also want more money (DESERVEDLY SO!) and they wouldn't come to the party at all. What a dumb decision by Cockburn.

Cockburn have no money though...

There are many other Aussies in the league that provide a lot for a team not just scoring. If other Aussies took as many shots, they would be sure to put up similar numbers.
Look at guys in the past who were putting up good numbers and have tweaked their games to suit teams needs. Illiadis, Della, Jervis, Williamson, Thomas, Salinas, Hughes, Prince, Tovey, DJ, Ralph, Armour, Bruton, Tupea are all Aussies and still in the league and contribute to the teams success.

Recent ones Scott, Field, Cummings, Purser, Ellis, Godfrey, Vigor, Hussey, Michaels, and tonnes of other young Aussies doing their thing. There are plenty of good Australian talents, not just one.

wolves women buying themselves the 'ship. Amber Land heading north

Dagastino not off to a good start

aaaahhhhwoooo

What the ceo means
#buynotbuild

Congratulations Wolfpack. A great wsbl offseason already.
CEO made it clear that if the club didn't have the talent from their massive junior competitions then they would poach the very best juniors from other clubs and pay for the very best players and coaches to win ... win ... win!!!
Wolves wsbl will run with a bigger spend than most men’s teams and it will be daylight to the second spend in wsbl.
Add steindl at 15-20k to that team and they are frightening in ability and budget!
And coach can now get paid outside cap as legit development staff so they can spend spend spend even more!!
Wolves deserve to win. They have earned it from their massive junior competitions and can now buy it!!
After all that is what wsbl is now about ... poach the very best juniors and players from other clubs ... abandon your juniors ... state it’s ok because they are 'good people’ ... spend spend spend and win!
Aaaahhhhhwwooooo ... wwwwiiiinnnnnn at all cost!! ... literally!
Go wolves!!!!

Tigers recruiting well, with Caleb Davis, Garbellini and Maurice Barrow. More than makes up for the departure of Armour.

Still 1 import spot left, Cody is an out, but Elder should fit into his place..

Durnin to Mandurah confirmed??

And have heard Jarrad Jackson playing for the Slammers next season? Any truth to this?

Daniel Alexander has done his acl and cartliage playing in europe.

with isenbarger also being out with a longer term injury expect to see two new imports playing in the purple and white in 2019

if ambar land has gone to the wolves correct me if im wrong here .
they have recruited thus far.

ambar land
Georgia denehey
kayla steindel
izzi motti
miklaya prini.

is this correct.
what are the other clubs doing recruiting wise ?

taylor land back at rockingham

Taylor Land is coaching college now

will not return

A shame too see Izzi Motti leaving cockburn.

Daniel Alexander knee injury in Sweden https://www.bclulea.se/sasongen-ar-over-for-daniel-alexander/

The wolves haven't announced anything about Kayla Stendl. I think that's just speculation atm.

wolves women finally have the same budget as the men and they are using every red cent haha

Get Etto to coach the girls too, he can try get his 4th and 5th GF loss in a row, why wait 1 full year when you can go back to back in 24hrs.
Perfect

WOLFPACK x 2

aaaahhhhwoooo

Salary cap 60k including coaches and all finals. If coach is paid 15 ... that is within the 60.
If 7 finals games 3+3+gf then need to allow for this if players paid per game.
If you have 2-4 players on game payments that can be $10k plus just for finals payments.
players can be on 800 pg if that's the way a club wants to build a team and it makes finals expensive and fitting in cap a challenge.

That’s why some teams have paids coming in half way thru season. They stack the back end of season.
Seems there are many different ways to play the sbl salary cap game.

it would be highly unlikely you would ever see roberts play under ettridge given the racial slur debacle when roberts played for Kalamunda

I wonder if the wolves very classy PR department will chase hussey as well ... lol

AHHHH Jem you're back, great to have you back and not in Dan Bilzerians wife party being a wonderful human being.

fake Jem Jem

I knew Jem when she wasnt famous

God bless her heart, she's such a sweetie and NOT superficial at all.

Or back to you correcting grammar or insulting people

Koberulz please go away.

Go play on the other forums.

great signing by the hawks in tevin Jackson and nikita martin . both very good additions. farnworth and kate Anthony not returning next season.morgan ballyntne rumoured to be playing for perry lakes as well.

Interesting Lakeside has lost a lot of players from last year. Isenberger, Alexander injured. Michaels, Garbellini, Mackenzie, Vinci and Bell all moving elsewhere. Weird because they had a great season and Dave Daniels seems like a great coach.

Where did Michaels, Mackenzie, Vinci and Bell move?

Michaels to Eagles
Garbs and Bell to Willetton
Vinci to Cockburn

Quite certain Mckenzie is staying put

well one thing is certain, with the Buccs appointing a local coach the Giants are the last club yet to appoint a coach - geez not looking good for them again

Slammers in discussions with Jules Pesava, would be big for the club

Pesava is doing well too, averaging 18 points and 7 rebounds so far for Rendsburg

well now they crew of complaining kids is all back together.

When you enter the data into the UBLC (Universal Basketball League Compiler) they rate the league higher then SEABL but obviously just under the NBL so give you some idea of the league strength.

fingers crossed for the giants and they do make some announcments this week.
it seems as thought the competition is widening , those few teams down the bottom and have been down the bottom for a while know , are losing ground on the top teams each year.
lets hope the giants interstate signings are better than the ones they have got in recent years.

we are still waiting on the goldfields giants to confirm signings and coach anti-KR ?

i think #717999 was just following up on a post by Anti-KR (obviously on the inside circle at Giants) re Coaching and interstate players.

Agreed re interstate players but they have certainly dragged their feet compared to the rest of the applicable clubs re Head coach role.

who is coaching slammers men?

John Triscari https://www.facebook.com/SouthWestSlammers/photos/a.529668693746852/1914333901946984/?type=3&theater

Giants name Wayne Creek as coach

http://www.goldfieldsgiants.com/2018/11/27/creekcoach/

Interesting choice. Understand what the president says by seeking some stability in the role after so many changes over the past few years, but Creek comes in with a mixed reputation. Will be very interesting to see what/if any recruits he can pull.

Wasn't creek the coach like 4 years ago ?

wayne creek ! unbelievable decision by the giants. I Know that there was a very highly respected and "WINNING COACH " available from the eastern states willing to come .
creek has no experience in what is shaping up as another strong competition , he will be way out of his league.
easy prediction this one = " TRAIN WRECK "

Anonymous
A few minutes ago
wayne creek ! unbelievable decision by the giants. I Know that there was a very highly respected and "WINNING COACH " available from the eastern states willing to come .
creek has no experience in what is shaping up as another strong competition , he will be way out of his league.
easy prediction this one = " TRAIN WRECK "

WINNING COACH you talk about also comes with a rediculous price tag. If you think the club can afford to spend $40+k on a cocah from the east then your dumber then you look.

40k - maybe a little to much I guess. old saying you" gotta spend money to make money" however and don't be surprised if some other coaches in the S.B.l are getting close to that number.

old saying " you get what you pay for "

old saying " gotta risk it to get the biscuit "

same result for the giants LAST-

the 4ok coach would have bought excellent players and imports and great coaching ability , thus sparked the town and basketball community once again. 8800-1000 people back therefore $$$$

however it will be same old , same old , time to take the blindfolds off and get out of your bubble and into the real world.

a former coach maybe ? ha -ha . well that narrows it down doesn't it.
how many coaches have they had in the last 10 years.

Risk it to get the biscuit
clearly someone with ZERO business nouse.
Ahh thats right Kalgoorlie is full of money and they can afford a 40k coach, along with everything else they have to pay for, 2 imports, aussie recruits, accommodation, vehicles not just for them but imports as well. Oh thats right another tosser with no idea.

What no Lou Causer??

risk it to get the biscuit.

you are saying that I have no business nouse.

perhaps you may be a part of the reason that the $$$ has dried up.
no business nouse and no- vision .

I have nothing to do with the current running of the club, just a fan from afar.
Seems easy to spend money when you dont have a clue of what the clubs budget is. But its easy to make that decision when your not responsible for the cash flow.
Enjoy your bitterness champ. Good luck with it.

I'd take Creek over Triscari by a long long long way!

Heard the slammers have signed their 2nd import (men's). Any ideas on who it is or if they have played in the league before?

No????? That's a joke right?

Brian and KD would be sweet though

Daniels will not have a young team at Lakeside

signed Kyle Armour who is a veteran point guard
allegedly signed Mike Vigor who is a veteran big man
if they convince the ageless Jarrad prue to go again then thats another vet
add 2 quality imports which lakeside always seem to be able to get they arent looking so young


Creek is an experienced coach and is a good signing by the club. Bringing in rock n roll rubery from gero was an epic failure
they may as well go with someone local who can actually develop some local talent and stabilise the program

will be interesting to see if the rumors are true coming out of redbacks land that hussey looking elsewhere, obviously barrow signing at tigers and if vigor gone too what Lako will have to work with