Zodiac
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Bogut’s NBL debut - Kings vs 36ers, 13th Oct

Really looking forward to this game today the ABC have been showing a big Bogut preview story all morning which is great to see.

You would have to think Kings at home are the favourites but I wouldn't be surprised if the Sixers come out breathing fire after letting that home opener slip.

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Zodiac  
Last year

Officially the first game on GO too.

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Camel 31  
Last year

I think it will be Sydney by one point in 5 OTs .

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Zodiac  
Last year

Sixers in a close one say 4 points.

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Hogwash  
Last year

Sydney comfortably.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Sydney by 12.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Smaller crowd than expected? Commentator said expecting 10k. I thought they were going for the record? 10k in isolation is good but in reality for a marquee game quite disappointing. Melbourne and Perth get 10k for normal games

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Anonymous  
Last year

Game hasn't started and I’m already sick of the First Ever ad with the baby farm animal pleading to be put down.

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Isaac  
Last year

Bogut is going to trouble Adelaide's bigs. Tactics against him will be interesting.

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UseTaHoop  
Last year

Pre-game interview: Gaze basically admitted it would be easier if his players coached themselves.

Has Lisch lost a yard permanently? Last year lots of us thought he was just injured/ overplayed.

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Anonymous  
Last year

BTW the Game Stats link is great addition to the forum

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Ben  
Last year

Agree with above, smart move Isaac.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Can't have Teys and McVeigh on the court at the same time. No penetration. Unbelievable Joey going to this after the preseason showed it just won’t work.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Oh great. Shane bloody heal again. Mute

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Big Ads  
Last year

Entertaining game so far.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Adelaide getting every 50/50 call.

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twenty four  
Last year

Obvious hook against Lisch.

Hammer calls it soft.

Good work, Shane.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

Who is ADL?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Who is M?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Kings D still crap, lisch has lost his speed or gone to Cadee defence school.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Randle is a gun, great to watch

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Rasheed30  
Last year

Sixers struggle when Joey plays both rookies at the same time

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Manu Fieldel  
Last year

Yeah it's been 3.5 games and I don't think this kid is going to understand what makes the burgers better at Hungry Jacks. Just not sinking in. He keeps asking the same question all the time

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Benno  
Last year

Wiley looks like a deer in headlights out there. Strange cause he dominated preseason.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Bogut's man DJ has the most points of anyone at half time including the first 8 of the game. Just because one person says bogut will be good on D everyone just repeats it. Never mind the fact that his foot work is terrible and is the slowest, laziest big in the league

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twenty four  
Last year

So Wiley's kinda terrible.

And Frohling is... tall, I guess?

I'd ask why Sydney's offence seems to consist of nothing other than transition hoops and Randle iso ball, but then you only have to look at the sideline for the answer, don't you?

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Rasheed30  
Last year

Over that First Ever ad!!!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Playing McVeigh and Froling together is suicide , -10 and -9 not good enough.

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joshuapending  
Last year

DeLeon will be the death of me.

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Big Ads  
Last year

Game is also being broadcast on ABC radio. Nice

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Cbj  
Last year

Agreed re: DeLeon

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Anonymous  
Last year

Froling already flopping like DJ and Sobey.. Sad.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Nbl in great shape, another great game

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Anonymous  
Last year

Has Bowen already had a bigger impact on the NBL than Terrance Ferguson? Seems a much more effective player already.

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Phil  
Last year

Cameraman in the stands adjust your exposure you hack

Looks like they're playing in a taliban cave.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

Again Sixers 3pt % is sub par. You can't win close games with poor 3pt shooting. It has been the same issue which cost them last season.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Shut up Heal

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Anonymous  
Last year

Good to see the refs are up to Sobey's antics this season. Now start opening your eyes on the offensive end too

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Anonymous  
Last year

King's getting all the calls their way

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twenty four  
Last year

Wasn't a flop.

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Big Ads  
Last year

Wiley might be a 4th quarter specialist

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Anonymous  
Last year

Got find way Bowen and Newley on court together. Play Bowen in the two

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wasn't a flop? LMAO

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Anonymous  
Last year

lol @kings
Different year same trash.
Have absolutely no idea what defense is.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So when is a 'sack gaze' thread being started?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Not a flop

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Shano  
Last year

David Wear needs to be delisted. Gaze is still a terrible coach.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

double double to Wiley with that last rebound in final secs.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Padding his stats

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Rasheed30  
Last year

If you had to have a drink everytime they said "gotta give Adelaide credit" you'd have alcohol poisoning

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Big Ads  
Last year

Gaze waited too long to take the time out. Sixers went on a 10 to 0 run (81 -75) which gave them all the momentum.

I too thought Gaze's pre-game interview with Heal was a concession of his obvious shortcomings at this level.

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twenty four  
Last year

Well Wiley's final 5 minutes made a fool out of me...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Took full advantage of DJ's travel

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Anonymous  
Last year

And there is the difference between Randle the stat stuffer and Cotton the difference maker. Right do wn the stretch we saw why Cotton is by far the better player who has more substance to his game.

Cotton usually steps up and makes all the right plays when it's money time and randle scores his points in the first three quarters

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Anon  
Last year

Well all he hype of he Kings team and hey lose first up.
Simple fact Gaze cannot coach.
Completely out done by Wright.

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Anonymous  
Last year

You gotta stop the bleeding Drewy, 10-0 which turned into a 16-2 run. Game over.

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J  
Last year

Sydney's offence was horrible! They will be slow on transition defence all season. They need a coach that will maximise their advantages and hide their many deficiencies. Watching them was like watching someone push shit uphill.

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skull  
Last year

I couldn't believe what I was hearing in that Kings timeout....sounded like Gaze just drew up a play that nobody had ever seen and spent the whole timeout attempting to explain it....and failed.
Not ok at this level, Bogut and the Kings board will have to move on this asap.

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Mock  
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Mock  
Last year

Some of the camera work was really substandard in this one.

I'll give Kings more time to gel but I had them fifth before the season and I didn't see anything to change that.

Gaze is a DOPE as a coach. He said pre-game having big names was good because the players rely on talent and skill when they get out there. How about COACHING them you clown?

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Beantown  
Last year

Sixers pulled that one out of the fire! Wiley came up huge after struggling to make an impact for the first three quarters. DJ and Sobey looking like a great 1-2 punch, but Sixers need more from the rest, especially their bench. Drmic had a better game, but Moore not doing enough yet. DeLeon worries me - defensive liability and an erratic shooter. If he doesn't make a bigger impact soon, I hope Sixers ownership pulls the trigger. Ideally need a bigger wing player so they can get away with defensive switching like they did last year. Really missing Childress’ defensive smarts and leadership so far this season.

I’d be worried if I was a Sydney fan. Lisch looks old out there and Bogut’s lack of foot speed is easily exploited by any big who can shoot. After looking good in preseason, Newley didn’t have much impact. Randle and Kickert look good and so does Bowen, but that’s about it.

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Anonymous  
Last year

DeLeon is awful, but there a lot to like about Adelaide.

If you're the Kings, not a great start but there were some good signs. Adelaide is a matchup nightmare for them. They have quicker, athletic and good shooting big men and also bigger guards.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Deleon reminds me of that guy you played with that tells everyone off for making the wrong play and then goes and makes the exact same play or worse himself for the next two possessions, oh and then the coach benches you and praises his leadership.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Randle never got the ball down the stretch, was it coaching or did lisch decide to take over and it didn't work. Bogut got lay a little less time as well. Kings bench only two/three deep.

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Anonymous  
Last year

If only DJ got to play Bogut every game

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Violet Crumble  
Last year

Sydney unfortunately seem to lack a game plan. If not for Randle's individual brilliance making up for Sydney’s stagnant offensive scheme, I think it could have been worse. I think it was Carfino who mentioned that the Sixers seem to have control, even though it was tight on the scoreboard, and I agreed with him them, even when Syd pulled away, as you had to assume they would revert to the mean eventually (Adelaide helped by taking some poor shots themselves during that run, and not picking up guys in transition).

D.J. was a bad match-up for Bogut, as you would expect - a mobile big causes some headaches for slower paced big men, and Gaze’s PnR defensive scheme has always been poor because of slow footed centres he tends to employ (Maric, Humphris and now Bogut). It’s no wonder Adelaide have 10 straight over them with their uptempo style that exposes Kings poor transition D and lack of bigs able to defend out to the perimeter.

DeLeon is a worry though. His misses were bad, contested shots in the half court. They were far better off with Sobey as lead ball handler because he either attacked the rim, or played a good two man game with D.J. I thought Drmic bounced back with his activity nicely in this game, despite still not finding his shot yet.

Gaze’s body language when the writing was on the wall was horrible too. I love the bloke, as a player and personality, but as a coach you can’t live and die with every game like that. Joey might be animated (to put it nicely) but he always seems to have his players back. Gaze appears to be telling his guys that they’ve caused him grief.

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Anonymous  
Last year

481 points fantasy so far with Ware, Cotton (my captain), Naar, Cedric still to play again!

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Splinky  
Last year

I'm on 512! Thanks Daniel Johnson!

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ME  
Last year

Andrew Gaze cannot coach. Being a good player, and the son of a good coach, does not mean you have what it takes to coach. It's time to end the experiment. JVG has been doing things for the sizzle and not the steak for a long time, and it's probably time he gets his marching orders as well. And it isn't about this one loss, it's about the culmination of two years of the Sydney Kings looking exactly the same no matter what the personel is.

Bogut will probably physically dominate most bigs in the NBL who are likely to do their work in the paint, but Johnson is a different beast and Bogut really has no reliable way of defending him. Nor does Kickert. They will have to put Newley or Bowen on him, really. And I don't think Bogut can play the kind of minutes they had him out there for, and their bench is particularly weak. Adnam and a multitude of Dengs is not going to get it done.

Gaze said in an article that they were "exposed" by Adelaide, and they were. He was. Bogut was. Their whole system was. Bogut is not going to be a 30 minute-per-game player in this league, and offensively his contribution is going to be minimal for the most part. Whether he is going to be worth his asking price is going to be a question, maybe for publicity he might be, but for results, not so sure.

Adelaide played Adelaide basketball, and didn't ever get too emotional either way no matter how the game was going. They might not have the flash of Randle or the star=power of Bogut, but they're deeper and have better coaching.

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cavolo  
Last year

Hogwash, Sydney easy right? ;P

My worry was how poor Moore was defensively in both games so far, especially against the Kings. Lazy footwork, hands down, no intent. Most of Sydney's made threes cane against his slow close outs, hands down and poor awareness. I want to be cutting a video of his defensive plays and having a little chat to him....

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AngusH  
Last year

A disappointing start to the season, but not unexpected either. I was hoping the Sixers won the opener vs Perth because I couldn't see them dropping two straight. Some huge 3s from Wiley late, but to be honest I never felt confident even when the Kings had the lead in the 4th with how we were defending.

I would have liked to have seen Deng Deng used against the DJ/Wiley combo because Bogut and Kickert/Ware just don't match up well, but he never hit the court. Ware had some bad shots down the stretch and fumbled a gimme, but overall he's a pretty good rebounder and, questionable offense aside, seems fundamentally OK... just probably not what you want from an import, though.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

Laaazy Moore does not put his hands up and seems to choose when he defends. The difference with the Sixers was Wiley hitting the two 3's. If they had hit one or two against Perth they would've won that game too.

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Cats 4 life  
Last year

They made shots and got the w, throughout the season there's games if he made that shot. What's you're point? You make it you win you don't you lose. Not that hard, Sydney missed a lot of easy one's, so they should've won?

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Hogwash  
Last year

Cavalo, wishful thinking on my part. Most of the round hasn't gone to plan

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J  
Last year

If wagstaff didn't go 1 for 10 perth would have won buy more, you're point is irrelevant. Perth took adelaide out of their comfort zone for once, was a very well coached game by trev, joey did the same to gaze, was one step ahead

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NBL Fan  
Last year

The solution to Sydney's problems - a decent coach. Obviously. Find one who can utilize his players and this team wins a championship easily.

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NBL Fan  
Last year

Urgh here come the cocky Perth fans after one win where they played decent. Doubt they can keep up that scoring output for long... we all know by mid-season Perth will be relying solely on Cotton to get you wins again and score 20 points a game...

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AD  
Last year

Well FMD that didn't take long.
I know I said that Gaze would get found out (again) but I thought it would take longer than one game.

And Bogut. Can't adapt to the NBL and fouls out. Who'd a thunk it eh?

Randle is a star.
But what we saw today was the difference between Randle coached by Joey, and Randle playing for Gaze.

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Violet Crumble  
Last year

I don't think it really matters whom coaches Randle, at least at the offensive end, he is individually brilliant, and at least in this game did not force his hand (compare to DeLeon’s admittedly limited performance - took bad shots and wasn’t involved in the team offence). Randle made good decisions more often than not.

The Kings problem was more that you can’t rely on Randle all the time, and apart from him, the Kings don’t really have another player who you can throw the ball to to 'get buckets’. With their personnel they need a strong structured offence that takes advantage of their players strengths. Unfortunately, in that regard, Gaze is serverly lacking. The Kings in the half court are hard to watch at times. Personally surprised that Bowen wasn’t given more minutes. He was great, and looked to attack the Sixers at the rim in his final stint. I feel like that is a vulnerable area for Adelaide without a true rim protector.

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AD  
Last year

That's partly my point.
It's ok to adapt your plays around a star player. Joey, Trevor, Vickerman, Bevo, all do it well. Gaze now even looks like "dead coach walking," like he knows he's gone and is just waiting for the phonecall.
He should just man up and pull the pin.

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jumpshot  
Last year

The Handle belongs in the NBA, and without him, it would have been very embarrassing.

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jumpshot  
Last year

I've been watching Bogut all preseason, and I thought he was saving the real beast for the 1st game. But I now think he is a washed-up overrated over opinionated player. Please Kings, don't run the clip about Bogut before the game. It is an embarrassment to the Kings and the NBA.

Just get the rebound, rise up and stuff it - non of this rubbish attempt 5 tip-in misses.

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Anonymous  
Last year

NBL fan there was nothing cocky about the comment, even Boti said as much about Gleeson finally using some coaching know how, who knew right? Do we really want to hear if this team hit a few more shots they would have won every game?

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Last year

Sack Gaze thread set to take ovee from the sack Joey one. The convo with Bogut in the last spilling on to the court Face Palm !

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Benno  
Last year

Once again why have David Wear when you have Daniel Kickert? JVG what were you thinking??

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

@ Cats 4 life
I am just referencing for the fact that the Sixers play an inside game, but it is the 3pt shot which wins or loses for them, yet Joey doesn't recruit guards who are 3pt shooters. They have been lucky that DJ is such a good 3pt shot and rely on Sobey so much. Moore rarely shoots 3's, Shorter was not a great 3 shooter. When Deng was hitting 3's last season it made a huge difference.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Randle is individually brilliant.

BUT not the guy to be running the point when there are so many other weapons too.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Randle tried to use the other weapons but they couldn't put the ball in the bucket, so many lay ups missed, even Bogut missed a sitter deep in the fourth when kings led by five.
As usual with JVG the side has been put together without a thought for defence.

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