Isaac
Two weeks ago

Chargers to withdraw from Vic Elite League



Topic #44419 | Report this topic


Reality  
Two weeks ago

Hard for Chargers to compete with Huskies pushing hard for NBL so i guess BTAS have chosen which horse they are going to back!

Hope this doesn;t back fire on BTAS if the Huskies never get entry into NBL and the owners stop tipping into a money loosing venture like playing in NZBL as the Elite league won't welcome them back with open arms!

Reply #720932 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Must be a vacancy now then so they should let Mt. Gambier take their spot

Reply #720936 | Report this post


PlaymakerMo  
Two weeks ago

Any details on the restrictions imposed by BTAS?

Reply #720946 | Report this post


Huskypup  
Two weeks ago

Chargers themselves have withdrawn. Look for their resurrection shortly
Maybe they could be called the Hobart Phoenix or the Lazaris's

Reply #720951 | Report this post


Huskypup  
Two weeks ago

No team met the Association rule that was required.
Chargers thought they were OK.
Not prepared to agree to the MOU that BTAS required.
Champions to feather dusters.

Reply #720954 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

The latest here.
https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/basketball/chargers-pull-pin-on-2019-as-brawl-with-basketball-tasmania-turns-ugly/news-story/37a8a722285b839ad40630d19446eac7

Reply #721009 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

What does this mean for the Thunder and Tornadoes? I'm assuming BTAS have asked them to sign the same MOU? Why are the conditions being placed on the Chargers not an issue for the other Tassie teams?

Reply #721023 | Report this post


PlaymakerMo  
Two weeks ago

What was outlined in the MOU? The Mercury article is behind a paywall.

Reply #721026 | Report this post


Reality  
Two weeks ago

BTAS finally got the knife into the Hobart Chargers which is what they've wanted to do for a long time as they had little influence or control over them previously.

It has back fired on BTAS thou as they thought the Charger would just sign the MOU and didn;t expect this accounment as its put egg on the face of Chris McCoy

Reply #721033 | Report this post


Reality  
Two weeks ago

This is a cash grab from BTas as they wanted to oversee and have control of Chargers money! Plus McCoy & Bartlett don't like each other and McCoy cleary saw this as his time to exert some power.

Reply #721037 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Two weeks ago

Spot on reality.....some petty politics playing out by BTAS

Reply #721048 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Two weeks ago

Huskypup- already a Hobart Phoenix

Reply #721050 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Two weeks ago

Huskypup- already a Hobart Phoenix

Reply #721051 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Letter from BTAS to Chargers.(part there of) Publicly sent to Members, Supporters, Sponsors, Players and Friends

Association Status.

The name "Hobart Chargers Basketball Association" has not been approved by Basketball
Tasmania (BTAS) and does not carry any weight in meeting any 'Affiliation' criteria for the new league.
The Hobart Chargers are currently recognised by Basketball Tasmania as an Affiliate
Member under clause 5.6 of the BTAS Constitution. As an Affiliate Member the Hobart Chargers have certain obligations under the BTAS Constitution. These obligations include those set out in clauses 5.4, 5.5, 5.6 and 5.9 of the BTAS Constitution.

Breach of BTAS Constitution.

BTAS is currently reviewing whether the Hobart Chargers are in breach of or failing to meet certain obligations under the Constitution.
BTAS is currently reviewing its legal position and reserves the right to pursue any breach of
the Constitution and the Agreements by the Hobart Chargers.

Memorandum of Understanding.

In order to receive the continued approval from Basketball Tasmania to compete in the new Victorian league, we will require you to sign a Memorandum of Understanding that clearly states our further expectations - above and beyond the league rules and regulations as set down by Basketball Victoria.


BTAS to all Tasmanian SEABL Clubs (Part only)

1. Affiliation

The Tasmanian clubs will be required to work with BTAS over the next 12 months to ensure they are affiliated as a Constituent Association Member under the BTAS Constitution. This must be completed under the leadership and direction of BTAS.
It is important to note that none of our clubs currently meet this requirement. Basketball Victoria have given us a 12 month transitional period for us to complete this requirement before we are accepted into the 2020 season.
As per league requirements, teams in the new league cannot be ‘stand-alone’ teams outside the Federation Model structure. In the interim, our teams will be ‘Affiliates’ as per the BTAS constitution.

Looks messy to me. Make of it what you will.




Reply #721053 | Report this post


PlaymakerMo  
Two weeks ago

Reads like bureaucracy at its finest.

Reply #721057 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Two weeks ago

Wow, what the hell are basketball Australia and others doing?

Killing Mt Gambier, Canberra, Hobart, etc some of the most successful SEABL teams going around btw.

Are the Victorian clubs scared they wont be able to win against Hobart and Mt Gambier or something?

Seems to be no good reason to not include them, and the reasons given are just red tape set up to exclude.

I thought SEABL and all these leagues are under Basketball Australia, how they allow this to go on is beyond me.

Reply #721061 | Report this post


Scout  
Two weeks ago

The governance of the sport is a mess. BTAS have been threatened by the Chargers and their imprint including setting up junior academys, working in schools et ...then BTAS have the gall to make comments like they are in it for the good of basketball unlike Bartlett, the CEO of BTAS is playing politics and pathetic sad politics at its worst

Reply #721062 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Why is anyone surprised, thank f..k for Larry Kestelman taking over the nbl otherwise would be same shit.

Reply #721065 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Anyone care to think that "stand alone" model should actually be the one being copied! In those models which conviently include the now defunct pioneers and chargers and how many of the last few championships have they won, don't rip money from junior programs as the other model does being forced on them both and that which the vice have in place and continue to be happy that the money is ripped out of juniors to prop up the seniors year after year. Those mod Les not funded by juniors actually put back to junior sport!

Reply #721089 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

The Chargers wrote to BTAS recently suggesting they take over the South. That went down well didn't it.

Reply #721091 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

BRING.IN.MT.GAMBIER

Reply #721104 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Not true Anonymous. Chargers offered services to Southern CAMs - only if a CAM wanted them - all in an effort to try to meet previously communicated requirements to be approved by BTAS as a CAM

Reply #721105 | Report this post


Realist  
Two weeks ago

Huskys came... Bartlett wasn't wanted by them... Saw the writing on the wall so did what any politician would do - blame someone else... Now he gets to ride off into the sunset as a "hero"... At least in a years time he can tell anyone that asks him in a pub “what happened to Chargers” - he can say “BTAS ruined it...” that makes him look a lot better than saying “I failed to lead the club through a difficult time where the sponsors, players and coaches decided to go to Huskies”

Reply #721118 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Bartlett wrote to the Huskies saying he was left out and that was OK.
Now this. Co incidence? I think not.

Reply #721122 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

TBH I thought the Chargers were the Huskies

Reply #721124 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Nice try at spin. Playing the person not the ball is not on - The Board made the decision not Bartlett. The Board say they weren't prepared to break the law which is what BTAS were forcing the to do in signing the MOU in the full knowledge BTAS would not guarantee they wouldn’t interfere with access to their traditional major revenue source.

Reply #721126 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Another example of a federated model not working and people protecting their small patch of turf.

Reply #721128 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Two weeks ago

Realist - no need to bag Bartlett, he is a good man who has done some great stuff.

BTAS have been threatened by the Chargers and are throwing righteous statements about the good of basketball when they have not been doing this themselves.

The straw that broke the camels back was the establishment of chargers academy that was setup a lot more efficiently than future development programs that btas run.

Personally i have travelled north and north west about 25-30 times over the last year for bball.....there has been one tournament in the south.

Do not mind travel butthere should be some equity

They use the NW as an example and then divide and conquer the rest of the states. The voting structure of btas is set up for this to continue to happen. The cams in the north and north west are well established and respect to them, the cams in the south are still evolving and btas play on this......divide and conquer

Reply #721135 | Report this post


paul  
Two weeks ago

What are CAMS? Community associations?

Reply #721149 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Two weeks ago

Paul - Constituted Association Member, structure of basketball by btas in Tas, rep level, domestic , divisions

BTAS decides who is a CAM and who isn't, there are more in the north / north west with a voting block. I am not saying the amount should change but the governning structure needs to.

BTAS keep throwing out the statement 'for the good of basketball' then making cheap shots.

They do not ask those who playing bball what is good for basketball and have not invested in officiating,player and coach development

Reply #721158 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Yes the academy is totally outside Btas rules and they still did it.
With Strwie li eavingcwho will run the schools program? Chargers will still try andvt as kik e the money.

Bartlett rabbits on about fiscal Ted ok nsibikty yet t huh eye we onto have much revenue. No bi coach s team of kids and possibly 2 imports and the again Barylett is still expecting 2000 people to go to the DEC.

DELUDED.

Who killed REX? Bartlett and his board.

Reply #721170 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Two weeks ago

Seriously anon? .

Btas criticised chargers for not doing development for good of game and criticise them for doing so.

Cannot have it both ways

Btas If you make the rules do the work for good of game

Reply #721171 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Anon 170

What the f....

Reply #721177 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Two weeks ago

Thank god the Huskies joined the New Zealand league and not this joke of a Victorian Elite league.

It seems to be easier for a Tasmanina club to join an intenational league than it is to join an Australain league in the closest state to them.

Think about that for a minute, how stupid is that...

Im guessing the same would be true for Mt Gambier too, if they had the resources and support they could probably join the New Zealand league but cant join the Victorian league.

What a joke Australian/Victorian/Tasmanian basketball federations are.

Reply #721181 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Two weeks ago

Thank god the NBL clubs took themselves away from basketball Australia, even before Larry K

I was very worried about SEABL once it came under the controll of BA, and my worst fear has happened.

The SEABL was one of the best, longest serving leagues in Australia and should have been left alone.

Reply #721183 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Scout. Btas paid the Chargers to run clinics in the south on their behalf. Then they decided to do their own academy. See the problem?

Reply #721185 | Report this post


Scout  
Two weeks ago

That btas had an issue with them doing clinics then criticising them for not doing so and being all about the win - problem yep.

Also how fdp operate yep

If they asked for input from people involved in bball - no problem

Reply #721213 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

The Charegers Academy is totally against what BTAS is trying to achieve.
Won't matter now as the CHargers have no one to run them anymore.

Reply #721234 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Bartlett talking about fiscal responsibility. Going broke if they sign the MOU and BTAS will steal their assets.
They have paid off a $140K debt(great job) and have a books profit of $9297. Tell him, he's dreaming. There is no money for BTAS to take. Get it?
With Stewart gone they have no one to run their clinics. Therefore no income. All that this proves is that Barlett has allowed this to happen under his watch.
Stewart also is instrumental in bringing in these schools etc and without him plus the ability to sell to any sponsors is now severely diminished.
The Chargers next season in the new competition would struggle. FFS who wants to go and see Chargers Vs Eltham @ the DEC? 2000 people? Tell him, he's dreaming.
All I see from Bartlett to use his words is obfuscation. Hiding the truth behind his fancy words to cover his own arse. Let's be real here. If the Chargers did survive in 2019, Barlett at the end of his 3rd season would simply walk. He's done his 3 seasons and achieved what he set out to do. Be NBL ready in 3 seasons. Make no mistake without him the Chargers would have folded 2 seasons ago. They have had 3 months to get together with BTAS to sort these issues. Yet in one day they have taken their bat and ball and walked. No thought about the 25,000 kids they have put through their clinics. No thought about the Womens program. No thought about the fans and volunteers at all.
Sad days indeed.
Bartlett and his board killed the Chargers.

Reply #721236 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

@236 what load of crap, you must work for btas.

Reply #721259 | Report this post


Scout  
Two weeks ago

236 - that is guff

Sure you work for BTAS

Reply #721268 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

The facts are Anonymous that BTAS wouldn't guarantee the schools basketball program would directly flow to the Chargers in a timely manner as originally intended when Bartlett negotiatied the funding for the whole state. This was the revenues Bartlett is talking about. Instead BTAS used their usually tactic of threatening legal action. The documents sent out by Chargers to members makes that clear. Your comments re no one to run clinics etc is pure bs. You have no idea the plans that were in place to cope with the changes.

Pure supposition and scaremongering on your part and really poor form.

Reply #721278 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Two weeks ago

Well said 278

Reply #721280 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Reply #721286 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

So who was going to run these programs in Stewie's absence?
Remembering that these connections are all created by Stewie and they don't want to see anyone else but Stewie? These same schools paid the Chargers to have him there. Their revenue from their Development Program is almost the same as their Game Night Income. I am sure no one knows that. If they do they are a Board member.
Simply ignore all the financial stuff. Clearly that is something that most people don't know anything about. There is no supposition here. None at all and no I have no connection to BTAS.
"when Bartlett negotiated the funding for the whole state" What funding for the whole state did Bartlett actaully organise? NOTHING. Do you mean the funding that Stewie got by meeting with Hodgman and Gutwein personally? That wasn't Bartlett.
Do you seriously think that the Libs are going to hand out money to a former Labor Premier just because he is "El Presidente" of the Chargers? NO WAY.

With 3 months to talk to BTAS what were the Chargers plans? Do you actually know, or just sprouting hypotheticals. Unless you are a Board member you wouldn't know. If you are a Board member hang your head in shame.
The Chargers believed they were compliant with the rules of entering the new BV competition. Which ever Board Member gave that advice was wrong. They should be accountable for misleading the Chargers Board and the demise of the Chargers.
It's certainly a battle of ego's and Bartlett's fall out with the Huskies is part of that. He wanted to go to the next level and got overlooked. Wise decision by the Huskies. Now his ego gets in the way of the true meaning of commitment.
Unfortunately only one side of the story is being presented.
Who killed Rex? Bartlett.

Reply #721293 | Report this post


Scout  
Two weeks ago

293 - are you with btas?

Reply #721295 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Two weeks ago

I assume they would have hired another good coach to replace stewie, to run these programs and coach the team.

Just as every other club does when its coach moves on.

These basketball federations need to take a look at themselves imo.

Reply #721297 | Report this post


Scout  
Two weeks ago

Wekl said captain jack

Btas keep stating 'for the good of basketball'

Such a patronising three word slogan without substance

Ceo says the chargers did sone things wellbut implies they were not in it for 'the good of basketball ' then has xheap shots like posters on here at Bartlett.

Strategically the ceo should focus on the good of basketball instead of playing cheap petty politics at the expense of bball

Reply #721301 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

" Captain Jack
Within the hour

I assume they would have hired another good coach to replace stewie, to run these programs and coach the team."

Another good coach in Tassie. Go. Name them all.

Reply #721302 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

293 must be with btas
there are other coaches that I'm sure would love to coach the chargers and do the coaching programs, they don’t have to be Tasmanian.

Reply #721303 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Two weeks ago

LOL exactly, plenty of good coaches in Australia, plenty would love the opportunity to coach a quality club like the Chargers just coming off a championship and running a quality, successful and profitable overall program, with alot of support and resources behind them.

Any competent SEABL/EliteVic League club will always be able to hire a quality coach.

Unless one of the incompetent federations gets in their way of course.

Reply #721305 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Two weeks ago

Look historically when the NBL or SEABL and their clubs have been at their strongest.

Its when they have basically nothing to do with the incompetent federations,

As soon as they come under the under the control of these federations, they screw it up, as shown again and again over the past 5-10 years, this just been the latest.

Reply #721306 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Two weeks ago

I always knew trouble would occur when SEABL went under Basketball Australias control, who are now clearly forcing these clubs to go under the control of Basketball Victoria and Basketball Tasmania to play in the new league.

Way to screw up a great league and some great clubs.

Reply #721307 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Two weeks ago

Hopefully the Huskies can work with the things the Chargers had set up and keep those things going for the good of the game and reap the rewards just as the Chargers did, and thank god they are not under any State or national federations

Reply #721308 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Huskies will be spending a lot time on the road, with rest recovery and training, their time will be less available. The chargers should have been the stepping stone to the Huskies which gives young players a target to aim at. I agree re the federations, some of the decisions I've seen over the years leaves me gob smacked.

Reply #721317 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

What a great idea recruit a coach from elsewhere and pay them SFA. Those that live in the rest of Australia fail to understand the dynamics of Tassie / Hobart.
The Chargers have always been a standalone club. With NO affiliation to any local clubs. NO income.
No pokies and no home. 22 years of tradition with numerous titles from 2000 + 2002 National champions, a squillion South champions and the first and last club the win a SEABL (meaningless) title.
Run by volunteers and this year and many previous seasons no PAID employees. When they had 1 paid employee it was part time but that was years ago.
Other than a few local players and 2 imports NO ONE got paid.
Head Coach would earn less than imports. The Chargers team budget would be 1/2 or less than most powerful clubs in Vic.
Any coach that wants to come to Hobart and earn a modicum for 8 months work please apply.
The Ballarat's Albury's Bendigo's etc all have paid staff to keep them running. The Chargers don't.

Captain Jerk said "As soon as they come under the under the control of these federations, they screw it up, as shown again and again over the past 5-10 years, this just been the latest." Jack you are an idiot. The only teams not under a federation and association are the Tasmanians. Just be quiet please.
Until the truth comes out everyone else here is a lemming.


Reply #721325 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Albury/Wodonga are completely volunteer run also. Please don't compare them to Bendigo, Ballarat etc.

Reply #721340 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

yes of course. but they are are an association. chargers aren't. The volunteers would help out in the office. You have a home base, courts and competitions. Chargers have none of that. NO HOME. NO OFFICE. SFA.

Reply #721343 | Report this post


Chargersfan  
Last week

Rest assured all is not lost. Now Barlett is gone TFG some common sense may prevail. Let's hope the talks under way will succeed.

Reply #721345 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

Anon 325 - points you make are valid re volunteers and no base. ( reckon you have been very close to the Chargers) with the chargers

However there was the potential for chargers to develop and provide services like holiday / academy programs. Therefore have more kids playing and make $s.

This threatened BTAS as they are not doing this well. If they want CAMs to work there needs work to be done and less politics. There is duplication occuring but there is now a gap between CAMS and elite, strategically needs to occur.

Reply #721359 | Report this post


paul  
Last week

"What a great idea recruit a coach from elsewhere and pay them SFA. Those that live in the rest of Australia fail to understand the dynamics of Tassie / Hobart."

As a coach who has moved from elsewhere to coach in Tassie/Hobart, I think I have a pretty good grasp on it. The Chargers would have been an attractive proposition for good coaches looking to take the next step in their coaching, and would certainly have been able to find someone who could coach the team and run clinics on behalf of the club.

Reply #721363 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

Well said Paul, this was starting to happen. The irony is BTAS criticised the Chargers for not being 'for the good of basketball ' (with the implication BTAS are),

When the Chargers start to focus on development as well BTAS actually change the rules to say that is not their role it needs be $s going to BTAS.

Can't win

Reply #721364 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

343 --so when they start to get a revenue stream cut it off?

Reply #721366 | Report this post


Chargersfan  
Last week

Great idea Paul. Move to Tassie leave what ever job you have and get paid $10,000 to do so. Please name the coaches that will do that.
Unfortunately Scout you are right but wrong.
The Chargers have always run their own holiday programs etc.
The real issue is that we are getting away from is the Bartlett smoke and mirrors show. BTAS will send us broke. Bullshit.
They made $150000 last season and paid off a $140,000 debt. Under Bartlett's watch.
He genuinely believes that next season the Chargers were going to get 2000 to games at the DEC. Bullshit
The 2018 seabl side was a perfect storm. Stewie recruited well and with some luck on their side they won it all.
Stewie has moved on and with no womens coach (still) and now no men's coach they were already in trouble.
I doubt there is anyone better at recruiting and coaching than Stewie. His political astuteness is important to with connections on both sides of politics.
Barlett and his Board have had 3 months to work with BTAS to sort out their differences. But no, between the AGM on Thursday and Thursday night. The club was allowed to go into suspension.
Bartletts falling out with the Huskies is part of that and it is clear to most that he had higher ambitions As all politicians do. Now all of a sudden the empire is crumbling.
The Board based on his recommendations agreed to let the club go, with no thought of negotiation. Despicable.
Sad days in Tassie.
Let's hope the Huskies come to the rescue and ensure non of the Board members are anywhere near that organisation.
Equally let's hope the Thunder and Torns successfully negotiate with BTAS to a good outcome. /endrant

Reply #721367 | Report this post


paul  
Last week

"Great idea Paul. Move to Tassie leave what ever job you have and get paid $10,000 to do so. Please name the coaches that will do that."

"They made $150000 last season and paid off a $140,000 debt."

I think you just answered your own question, Chargersfan. They were a profitable entity, next year they wouldn't have to divert profits to paying off debt, so could invest more in coaching which delivers some of its own revenue back via clinics etc.

Even if they only made half the profit next year, they could easily accommodate an increase in the coaching salary to a solid part-time wage, which combined with finding them work through club contacts (very common in the state league sporting world over the years) makes it an attractive proposition to someone looking to further their coaching. I know, I've just been through that process!

Reply #721368 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Chargers Fan is a chargers fan in name only.

Typically any organisation that is successful and goes against the grain is jumped on by officialdom. Btas should've been on the front foot making sure the chargers were in the new comp not throw road blocks.

Good luck to the Huskies they will need it as you can see the backwood thinking already involved in the DEC.

Reply #721370 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

Great post Paul, the club would have been able to invest in infrastructure. .....believe that is the fear that BTAS had.

The Chargers were starting to do what BTAS should be doing but better, therefore bring em down

Reply #721372 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Chargers players weren't even told.

Reply #721399 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Last week

Exactly Paul

Any competently run seabl/Vic league club will always be able to find a good coach to coach the team and run the programs

Sounds like anon is from basketball Victoria/Tasmania

As I said thankfully the Huskies are a part of the New Zealand league and not under those Federations

Reply #721444 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Albury/Wodonga are not as association. They are a stand alone club exactly like Hobart.

Reply #721459 | Report this post


Time Line  
Last week

Two weeks ago on Chargers TV Bartlett said Stewie was still the coach. In the background Stewie is working all sides, sticking with the Chargers just in case the NZNBL falls through. Forward to this week, Huskies in NZNBL, Stewart announced as coach, 3 days later Chargers are no more. To hear the bullshit sprout from Bartlett's mouth" this has nothing to do with the Huskies" should be a slap in the face to all Chargers supporters.

It's really easy to blame the State body.....it seems the other teams within the State are still moving ahead?

Reply #721464 | Report this post


Time Line  
Last week

What's really the big deal? BTas wanted to keep an eye on the books of an organisation who track record with money over the past decade has been woeful. BTas wanted to make them shift their focus to development instead of spending $100k on imports each year, is there really anything wrong with those requests?

How about, we have no coaches, no imports, we have lost Mr. Basketball to what now is a rival organisation, we probably won't make it through this, lets quickly lay the blame elsewhere and run away.

Reply #721466 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Another btas employee now on hoops, 100g a year on imports lol, Kilsyth spent more than Hobart.
Stewie was coaching the chargers till the Huskies job became available, no point committing to a job till it's available.
Every one is entitled to there opinion, but the chargers over the last few seasons have been very responsible with getting rid of the,debt running good children programs, plus winning the championship. Btas would’ve been better working with the chargers management instead of getting the sledgehammer out.

Reply #721479 | Report this post


Still Laughing  
Last week

#444 to think you believe the Huskies are separated from the "federation" It was Hickey/Stewart/McCoy combined getting rid of Bartlett. Clearing the market space for the Huskies to have the run of the town.....just wait and see.

Reply #721504 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Still Laughing. You don't have any understanding of the full impact here.
Forget the who is right and who is wrong here.

The career pathways for all kids now is GONE. Bartlett by continuing to trash BTAS now has made it impossible for the Chargers to ever return.
Why would Hickey/Stewart/McCoy want to take the Chargers down? I read a lot of shit on here and that is seriously one of the most idiotic thing I have ever read.
If you knew what was planned ahead you would soon realise your error.
The other lunatic who said "$100k on imports each year" is yet another person living in fantasy land. The Chargers side last season was put on the floor for far lees than that figure.
Barlett simply needs to move on like many have already and look to the future and and NBL side in one more season.
Huskies also need to ensure that those involved in this terrible day in Tassie sport will be no where near the Huskies.
AS The Mercury said yesterday "ONE of the nastiest scraps in Tasmanian sporting history"
Make no mistake now there will be do rescuing the Chargers by the Huskies either. That opportunity is now closed.

Reply #721532 | Report this post


Bob  
Last week

Career paths! Names me 2 local players from the Charges squads in the last 5 years having a career?

Reply #721542 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

The are many former chargers players playing in various leagues across the country. Many have gone back into the NBL over mnay years. If you mean elite leagues then Hugh Greenwood would be part of that process.

Its not about the kids in the Chargers teams now necessarily it's about the 25000 kids who in the last few seasons have been introduced to the sport and what they may have become. Those doors are now permanently closed.

Reply #721563 | Report this post


Still Laughing  
Last week

Fact: Around 4% of those 25000 kids go on to play each year. And of that 4%, 3% of them were already playing. So from the 25,000 kids in clinics, the follow through into the game is less than 250 kids. Good investment?

Reply #721570 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Last week

Well whats the percentage of players coming from Canberra making the NBA?

Would be way less than 1%

Does that mean having local basketball programs in Canberra that developed Patty Mills a waste of time and money? OR North Queensland for a guy like Jawai, etc etc

Thats the problem with this push just to make it all about Victoria, because Victoria has the best numbers of participants, clubs, etc

If we ignore everything outside of Victoria and all the smaller clubs around the country, how do we discover and develop the next Mills, Ingles, Jawai, Baynes types?

If you dont have some form of high level basketball programs in those areas, some of them reasonably remote, then all of those guys would be lost to the sport, which would be a huge shame imo.

That to me is why the SEABL set up with teams in several states, many of which not anywhere near a NBL team was so important.

Thank god the Huskies are around and outside of this mess, to keep basketball strong in Hobart/Tasmania and give the kids of Tasmania something to follow and aspire to

Sure you may only develop a couple of Mark Nash, Anthony Stewart types each decade, but you can still have many more kids following the sport in a broader sense, and actually still run a profitable program which has benefits to the community as the Chargers did last season.

Its not all about just getting that next NBL or NBA guy

Reply #721573 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Exactly Captain !!!!!!!

Reply #721576 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Btas now threatening to sue chargers basketball for for running learn to play programs and letting children have fun.
Kerry Packer had the same fight with cricket Australia all those years ago, Murdoch and Packer fought over the nrl.
Premier league started after a fight with the old English football federation.
LK just took over the nbl and look how it is now compared to it being run by BA.
All sports now better.
Not certain chargers got power or money to fight the fight but I hope so.

Reply #721582 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

#293 Stewie did an amazing job setting up the schools program which has had lots of publicity about how it was funded by Govt and pretty sure Telstra was involved as well. There was a section set aside for Telstra school kids at the games Who else will do it? As great as Stewie is, I thought there were Board members with lots of contacts in the schools and basketball clubs who helped with the set up. Can't believe there aren’t others out there willing to organise the program with players running sessions just as they always have. As for contacts - lots of people work in the education system in Southern Tas - contacts can be recreated.

And if Stewie did the funding negotiations, he’s even more talented than anyone knew as I’m led to believe he wasn’t in the room for most of the discussions .......

Reply #721584 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Get the players who have full time jobs to do the clinics. Great idea. The imports did for sure.
People are getting off topic and if it's an issue now why wasn't all this shit raised long before Bartlett destroyed it?

Reply #721606 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

Anon 606 - Cause Bartlett wasn't the one who 'destroyed it' ...Chargers were playing in a court with 500 and in debt before Bartlett

Reply #721610 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Perhaps you should look at the books . When you do you will realise that there is a lot of creative accounting in there. I wonder why BTAS would be interested in that?
Last seasons books show a profit of $52,022.51. The year before they had a small profit of $7,630.13. So there was no debt before Bartlett. (Refer to the books for the evidence.)
Now this season Bartlett is saying they had a $140,000 debt? How is that possible based on the books.
They are talking about BTAS wanting their cash. They have none. 2018 books shows a profit of $9252 or $9297 depending on what books you read.
I assume you haven't read the books Scout?
So much smoke and mirrors and I am so disappointed that there is no elite competition now for the up and comers. Hopefully the Huskies will fill that gap somehow.
The Chargers board never communicated any of this to the players or volunteers. A decision made by a self interested empire building President.
How one person could have so much power and influence over a gullible Board is amazing.
Fiscal responsibility he prattles on about. How does a declared book profit of $50000+ magically become a loss of $140K??
Please explain Mr Bartlett.

Reply #721629 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

So you believe that Bartlett and the board are liers.

Reply #721630 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Shame on you #269 - shame! You talk of fiscal responsibility yet you clearly don't understand the books! Ridiculous misinformation. You need to go back to Accounting 101 based on your analysis. Profit, loss and debt are completely different concepts. Profit/loss ultimately goes to increase or decrease equity as retained earnings which in future years can invest in assets or create the need for greater liabilities. Look at the balance sheet for the assets, liabilities (debt) and equity, not the profit and loss statement.

Your statements that the profits mean there was no debt when Bartlett started and that "a declared book profit of $50,000+ magically becomes a loss of $140k" (which you earlier described as the debt levels) demonstrate your lack of understanding.

The significant changes in the books are clear. Oh - and by the way - when a figure is in brackets, it means it is a negative result. Your small 2016 profit of $7,630 was actually a loss of $7,630.

I don’t think anyone will be paying attention to your future comments on financials ....

Reply #721638 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

So where is the debt of $140000 on the books? Nowhere

Chargers believed they were compliant with the entry into the new competition. That is also wrong. Seems like a lot of mis information everywhere. On both sides.

At the end of the day the Chargers are done forever. Wouldn't negotiate. 3 months to get it right or at least like Janie F sit down to the table and accept that you can work it out to we can have a side and a career path. The same as THunder.

Reply #721651 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Perhaps the Chargers have been trading illegally and that's why BTAS wanted to keep an eye on them?

Between all of the 3 Tasmanian clubs they have all been broke at various times.

Reply #721655 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

All this is just great! Did the Chargers think about a discussion with players and sponsors before they went down this path of self-destruction? Congrats to the NW Thunder and the Tornadoes for at least battling through. I hope the demise of the Hobart teams does not bring them down also.

Reply #721686 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

You should be allowed to run your own destiny, it takes two to tango, btas got lot to answer for as well. The worst things about all this is the children miss out and isn't that btas main obligation. Lots of disappointed people out there. Btas and the big stick, not certain it will work.
Hopefully the Huskies will it least fill the entertainment void but children’s programs who knows.

Reply #721688 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

BTAS paid the Chargers to run clinics on their behalf. How is that the big stick?

Reply #721689 | Report this post


Scout  
Last week

Anon 689 that is not the case re the Chargers academy's. ...BTAS sent out correspondence having cheap shots at it.

The academys threatened the way btas run fdp programs erc cheaper, run well and no travel. A

Reply #721718 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

@689 that's rubbish and you ni it.

Reply #721725 | Report this post


Captain Jack  
Last week

Anon claiming there was no debt, unless you can provide me a link to the Hobart Chargers profit and loss statement and balance sheet, backing up what you are saying.


Im going to trust the word of the clubs President who has said it in national media and put his name and credibility to it, over an anon poster on a chat forum.


If the debt is there or isnt there, one look at the balance sheet, and I could tell you real quick

Reply #721749 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Ask Bartlett or one of the Board members for the books. It should be available publicly surely?
He was on ABC radio tonight and quoted a different set of debt and profit! So what are we meant to believe when he clearly doesn't know himself?

"Anon 689 that is not the case re the Chargers academy's. ...BTAS sent out correspondence having cheap shots at it."
I never mentioned the Academy at all. During the seasons BTAS has paid the Chargers to run clinics on their behalf. Bartlett failed to mention that on the radio today as well. See the bias? Now it's a campaign against BTAS and their so called bullying of kids and parents.

Change the subject why don't you Bartlett.

Reply #721796 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

#796 Exactly, it started as a disagreement over the MOU now its a full out attack on every aspect of BTas business.

Reply #721801 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

If you listened to McCoy on the radio today he said the MOU was a piece of paper and no legally binding. So what is the issue Bartlett?
The Board is spell bound by Bartlett and his ego has killed the club, the kids pathways and REX. Sleep well knowing in the space of 2 days you have destroyed the kids dreams. FOREVER.

Reply #721884 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

4EVA!!!!!!111

Reply #721891 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Bwhahahaha! You guys are so funny! Talk about the pot and the kettle. Is there actually a Board at BTAS? I thought it was all run by the CEO! And you talk about Bartlett having an ego! I'm rolling on the floor laughing my self silly!

Reply #721903 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

#1903 - easily amused, sure you know the make up of the board. It is not representative.

Reply #721908 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

many board memebrs have kids playing hoops. What were they thinking.

They killed Rex.

Reply #721916 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

We are just about at the point where the meme is published. And it was at this point that David realised he f#%ked Up

Reply #722057 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Yeah #bigtime

Reply #722073 | Report this post


The Imsider  
Last week

FACT: The board of the Chargers were just as surprised as everyone else when the President pulled the pin last Friday.

What they have done since then by standing with him as he destroys the club is shameful. They speak of the BTAS board being asleep at the wheel, well these guys must be comatose. They, as a board had every chance to say this isn't what we want, this isn't what we talked about, but no, their silence in this makes them complicite in the demise of the club.

While it seems they are happy now to wage a personal war on the BTAS CEO, conceding their team is gone, but agreeing they will be happy to topple Chris McCoy, and you all thought the ego had already landed!

Who killed Rex the Rhino and cut off the pathways for developing athletes?

There is no doubt that the board of the Hobart Chargers, in their silence. after their President went against their wishes are 100% responsible for the devastating outcome they as a board were entrusted to avoid.

Reply #722180 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

I fail to understand how the Board could not have all voted on this issue.
Everything you said is spot on.I wish someone had a copy of the Chargers constitution. I wouldn't mind getting that what has occurred is constitutionally in error.
Bartlett killed Rex.

Never fear there is an answer.

Reply #722181 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

And as late as 4 hours ago their misguided directors still sharing the posts on Facebook from their misguided leader. It's pretty easy to see how Jim Jones got his crew on the Kool-Aid all those years ago!

"Was this approach considered at a BTAS Board meeting and endorsed by Directors? Or did the Executive make this decision? Are Directors asleep at the wheel and in breach of their own duties or do they endorse this approach?"

Remove the word BTAS and replace with Hobart Chargers and the truth smacks you around the face.

While they won't publicly say it, privately more than one has expressed dismay at the outcome.

Reply #722186 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

Last couple of posts -cheap shots without knowledge.

Are you ok with BTAS stipulating in the MOU -The Chargers are not to run programs for athletes under 18???

BTAS state that the Chargers did some things well ie win but were doing programs and work for the good of basketball -they said in the mou they can not run the program. Can't have it both ways.

BTAS is sposed to be the governing body for the sport in the state it has not asked those involved their thoughts -they direct.

This is divisive and not sustainable.

There is a lot still to play out

Reply #722215 | Report this post


paul  
Last week

"Are you ok with BTAS stipulating in the MOU -The Chargers are not to run programs for athletes under 18???"

If that's true there need to be some serious questions asked as to why. What possible justification can there be for denying young athletes access to a high-performance program?

Reply #722216 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

is not permitted to run development (acadamies) for athletes under the age of 18.'

From the mou

Divide and conquer with the cams / btas /chargers

Selfish politics at its worst

Reply #722217 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

The last few posts are not cheap shots, but in fact exactly what has happened. The Chargers board, just like Torns and Thunder had every opportunity to take the MOU back to BTAS and discuss, which the board had agreed to do.

Next day, President pulls the pin, surprises the board, who, sit on their hands and watch their club implode.

What's in the MOU has nothing to do with where it’s got to now, it’s all down to the silence of th board.

Meanwhile the Hobart Chargers Facebook page becomes a platform for uniformed supporters, parents of kids cut from state teams and anyone else with a beef against the state body to be whipped into a frenzy by what quite frankly are bullshir posts designed to agrivate those exact groups.

As always with stuff like this people forget the most important group, the silent majority.

Reply #722218 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Hahahaha. Jim Jones. Got it in one. Plus all the directors involved make no mistake about that.
The 25,000 kids who have attended the camps, clinics, Telstra Game Day Experience events and more now have no where else to go (until sanity prevails).
AS McCoy said on the radio the other day the MOU is a piece of paper and legally unenforceable.
Make no mistake here the Chargers have always done what they have always done and would have continued to do so.
All they had to do was to sit down in the preceding 3 months and negotiate it out.
The Chargers had 3 months to sit down and work it out. The Chargers also believed that they were ready to go into the new competition with all their paperwork correct. That too was wrong.

The Torns and the Thunder are, why not the Chargers? Battle of egos and the Jim Jones president persuades all the lemmings to jump off the cliff.

Sorry SCOUT the issue has been played out. Unfortunately you don't know the outcome.

Reply #722219 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

Evidence of divide and conquer winning out in 218 / 219 anon, sure i know where you are at

Continued personal cheap shots at Bartlett. Very defensive and immature.

Again - are you ok with the mou saying no prorgrams for under 18??. Please answer.

BTAS have also used 'lawyers in correspondence with CAMs.


BTAS should be governing not directing, this means being strategic and allocating resources / work appropriately.

Reply #722220 | Report this post


paul  
Last week

"AS McCoy said on the radio the other day the MOU is a piece of paper and legally unenforceable."

Without an MOU with BTAS would BVIC let them play in the new league? If not then the MOU is a lot more than a legally unenforceable piece of paper, it was vital to the Chargers' survival.

Reply #722221 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Divide & Conquer

Pull a popular club out of a competition then blame the peak body. D&C 101. Follow this up with a barrage of inflammatory social media to whip up the divide.

Reply #722222 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

222 let me guess - close to BTAS?

Do you agree with no programs for under 18s?

Reply #722223 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

#223 our association runs it's own academy for u18's and below without restriction. I believe there are no restrictions for associations not to run grassroots academies.

If the whole premise of pulling out the club was based on the fact that they couldn't run an academy, the argument just looks worse. Find something solid to base this stupidity on.

Reply #722224 | Report this post


Scout  
Last week

Oh - so you do not have that issue 224; let me guess Launceston? So you have no issue with the Academy's but happy for BTAS have an mou saying they can not be run - still have not answered the question.

Coaches support / player support should be stratregic direction

It was not the only issue and you know it - as Paul says it is bigger than that

Stupidity ? Read some of the correspondence

Reply #722231 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

#231 Our academy is at Kingston and run by Kings.

Reply #722269 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Chargers aren't even a proper association under BTAS. That's the funny part.
A money grab by BTAS. They made $10000 profit on the back of a successful year. if there was to be a newxt year they would be lucky to even make the finals. Clearly no thoughts for the women at all. let alone the volunteers, public and sponsors.
The MOU could have been negotiated. The Chargers followed Jim's ideas.
Anyway it's all done now. Move on. Plenty of spare time for the Board now. That will look good on their CV.

Reply #722271 | Report this post


Scout  
Last week

Oh 261; apologies.

Know that court very well.....time to move on; be good to focus on the needs of bball instead of the silly politics

Reply #722280 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

aWrong again Scout.

Reply #722289 | Report this post


Scout  
Last week

Anon 269 I was referring to


Last anon - not sure what aWrong means or is referring to

Reply #722291 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

So there seems to be no issue with the MOU then if it's alright for the Kings then?

Reply #722292 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

How does the basketball system work in Tassie?
play local domestic, then association rep then onto association senior rep. with the elite kids getting extra development with the state team development program?

Do the chargers have a junior arm that plays in the local comp? Or to they repesent all local associations in Hobart, this all junior programs get the same development opportunities from them?

Reply #722295 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Scout, keep fighting the battle, btas complaining about chargers face book but got all their cronies on here.
As in most breakdowns both sides are probably at fault to some extent, but what the chargers have done fo basketball in Hobart the last few seasons is incredible and should be respected by btas, not have spanners thrown at them, btas can negotiate to.

Reply #722323 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

Cheers anon # 323, no doubt as in most conflict fault on both sides.

If btas were not making righteous divisive calls and were asking others what is actually the good of basketball the conflict would not keep kickin along. BTAS direct not act strategically.

Time to go and play a game of ball

Reply #722332 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Strange when I read Bartlett's missive that a Special General Meeting needs to be called. What if all the members vote against the proposal? All this for nothing, surely not?

Reply #722345 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

With the SGM to be held maybe the members should boot out the current board and take over the club.
Love to see Barletts reaction to that. I will put in the notice of motion.

Reply #722636 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Dear Supporters, Sponsors, Players and Friends

Later today the Board of the Telstra Hobart Chargers will be issuing the following statement to media and social media.

We wanted you to read it first.

Sincerely

David Bartlett
President



Telstra Hobart Chargers - MEDIA STATEMENT

Last Friday, the Board of the Hobart Chargers announced we were withdrawing our application to play in the new Victorian elite league and would, unless circumstances changed significantly, meet Friday 14th to consider whether to put a motion to our members to put the club into suspended operations until a better environment emerged. This decision was based on the financial constraints being forced on the Chargers through restricting access to the Basketball in Schools funding and the requirements of the MOU to not run academies and other junior programs.

The Chargers board met again today and were presented with extraordinary new information. We need to have that information clarified as it seems that better environment does exist - we had simply been kept completely in the dark about it. The astounding announcement of the partnership between Basketball Tasmania and the Southern Huskies offers significant financial support to the Huskies, including the ability to run academies and junior programs. This is a complete changing of the rules provided to the former SEABL clubs to get Basketball Tasmania sign off to join the new league. Further, we have been made aware of the potential for substantial Basketball Tasmania funding to go directly to the Huskies to effectively replace the Hobart Chargers in the Elite League.

Given these changes, we are unable to make a decision on the future of the Hobart Chargers at this time. We will be writing to Basketball Tasmania to find out if these revised rules were to be offered to the former SEABL clubs and if not, why not? We've been talking to Basketball Tasmania since October about the requirements to join the league and have at no stage been given an indication that such a lucrative arrangement could be possible within the federated model operated by Basketball Tasmania.

The Board will meet again at the end of next week to consider Basketball Tasmania's response on whether a similar arrangement will be offered to the Launceston Tornadoes, NW Thunder and Hobart Chargers as the long established community-based former SEABL Clubs.

Reply #722643 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Well done DB, another stake through the heart of the players, who, at the end of the day just want to play Basketball. If you wanted to play politics you shouldn't have gone through with your last withdrawal in 2011. This mess is now fairly and squarely on the heads of you and the board of the Hobart Chargers. You selfish single minded fools have not only destroyed the Chargers, but in the process you will destroy the game.

#1 Point - You pulled out, not the NW Thunder, not the Tornadoes, just you lot!

Reply #722645 | Report this post


paul  
Last week

Personalities aside, the statement says what all sports journos in Tassie should have been asking, why didn't BTAS offer these partnerships, or a variation of, to the existing clubs?

Reply #722651 | Report this post


SCOUT  
Last week

645? Have you read the release?

Are you ok with the revised rules not being offered to tbe Thunder and Tornadoes? Or just want the Chargers to take on btas and accept the blame?

The mou written by btas explicitly stated the chargers could not provide programs to under 18s - btas now have a partnership with the Huskies to do so, this is not Bartletts fault

Reply #722658 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

#658 It's life, you roll the dice, you stick with the result. The Chargers rightly or wrongly rolled the dice, and they didn't like the result. Why now stand in the way pissing and moaning about what could have been, all the while, people that actually want to get on and do a bit are the ones suffering.

Kenny said it best, "you got to know when to hole em', know when to fold em'" Last Friday was the hold em' day, they folded!

Reply #722670 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Bartlett took the club from financial ruin, brought the supporters back won a championship and stuck to his guns and principles, had the players in the community and doing coaching clinics, on the other hand Stewart seems to run off with all the gold. I for will be keeping my hard earned in my pocket and staying away.

Reply #722683 | Report this post


Scout  
Last week

Righto 670 if the Chargers had 'held em' they were playing against a stacked deck.

Political games for no outcomes is just that cheap politics


Agree it is time to move on though

BTAS shoukd be using their apoarent political machiavellean ways to actually do some goid ie aecurw some courts in the south

Playing all junior games at Kingston aint the answer


Time for talking is over, they need to actually back up all their talk of 'good for basketball ' talk with some actual positive outcomes.

Reply #722685 | Report this post


Scout  
Last week

Love how memorandum of understanding do not matter

For the good of badketball; time to back it up

Reply #722690 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

I can't believe all this posturing.
Barlett and the lemmings refused to negotiate with BTAS and took their basketball home.
Huskies come in to save the rejected kids from the horrible BTAS MOU and once they all sit down and negotiate a deal is done. How surprising is that.

Bartlett even says "We've been talking to Basketball Tasmania since October about the requirements to join the league and have at no stage been given an indication that such a lucrative arrangement could be possible within the federated model operated by Basketball Tasmania."
Good on you David. 3 months and nothing achieved. They also maintained that were BVIC ready. That is another point of contention. They simply weren't.
They walked and bugger anyone who cares. They didn't consult the members and there has been no announcement of a Special General meeting to be called. They should have kept all this closed and called a SGM before any of this got out.

The only people here to blame are the President and the Chargers Board. They won't be resurrected and all this extra stuff is way to late. The Chargers were one of the more successful clubs in the SEABL and despite running on empty numerous times over the years REX is now dead.

Reply #722703 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

703

Lmao

Reply #722705 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Hope you sleep well at night.

Reply #722730 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Hello

Reply #722731 | Report this post


Anonymous  
Last week

Another cockwomble.

Reply #722736 | Report this post




 

Reply to this topic

Random name suggestion for anonymous posters: Io 61

Rules:You must read the Terms of Use. No spam, no offensive material, no sniping at other clubs, no 'who cares?'-type comments, no naming or bashing under 18 players. Learn how to embed YouTube videos or tweets

Please proof-read your post before submitting as you will not be able to edit it afterwards.



Close ads
SportsLink Travel - Official Tour Provider for Basketball Australia
PickStar - The best place to book sports stars
Dunk.com.au - Custom basketball uniforms
Casual 3X3 sessions, Saturdays 2-5pm at St Clair Rec Centre

Advertise on Hoops to a very focused, local and sports-keen audience. Email for rates and options.

Recent Posts



Invoicing clients? Stay productive with Punch, the insightful time tracker that earns you more.

Special offer: $30/month Pay $100 for lifetime access. Sign up now!

.


An Australian basketball forum covering NBL, WNBL, ABL, Juniors plus NBA, WNBA, NZ, Europe, etc | Forum time is: 2:11 am, Sun 16 Dec 2018 | Posts: 749,059 | Last 7 days: 1,420