Isaac
Two weeks ago

Gleeson fined after Bogut incident

Perth Wildcats coach Trevor Gleeson has been fined $500 following an incident involving Sydney Kings player Andrew Bogut during last night's game at Qudos Bank Arena.

The NBL reviewed the incident late in the fourth quarter and determined that Gleeson breached the NBL Code of Conduct by placing his hands on the chest of Bogut in an attempt to push him away from an impromptu Perth team huddle.

The NBL found Bogut did nothing wrong by being in close proximity of the huddle as it was not a time-out.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

"The NBL found Bogut did nothing wrong by being in close proximity of the huddle as it was not a time-out."

I hope everyone here remembers that the next time someone from Perth does something they consider antagonistic, and demands they be punished for instigating an incident or "forcing" someone to react.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Bogut forced no one to react and he instigated nothing by standing where his is entitled too.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

"Bogut forced no one to react and he instigated nothing by standing where his is entitled too"

Yes, that is my point. But if Wagstaff walked into Adelaide's huddle, and Wright and Drmic body-slammed, people would immedaitely be blaming Wagstaff.

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Senator11  
Two weeks ago

I anticipated a fine of this nature. Gleeson is a flog, Bogut is arrogant, let's move on.

Anyone remember what the repercussions were when Joey took a swing and one of our trainers/players?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

The repurcussions were, Perth were to blame.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Move on, nothing to see here. Gleeson is a successful coach, Bogut is good for the league. They moved on, so let's get this round underway

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Senator11  
Two weeks ago

"The repurcussions were, Perth were to blame."

I guess Perth were to blame too when Childress charged Wagstaff...

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Violet Crumble  
Two weeks ago

No Childress had to write an apology letter, and then stay after the game to write lines on the white board.

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koberulz  
Two weeks ago

I anticipated a fine of this nature.
I didn't, but I'm glad it's happened.

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Duke Fan  
Two weeks ago

Yes there's no "rule" against what Bogut did. But anyone who tries to get in a huddle from the other team is a massive douche

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Senator11  
Two weeks ago

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/adelaide-36ers-coach-joey-wright-and-perth-wildcats-star-james-ennis-charged-over-fight-20140217-32vtt.html

If I remember correctly it was the Hire 3pt shot at the end of the game when it was over that caused this?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Another thread that people try to make about Adelaide.. I didn't realize the Sixers played last night.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

No, it wasn't Hire that caused it. It was Ervin being a dickhead.

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Mock  
Two weeks ago

Fan of the mighty cats here. Fair result, let's move on.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Bogut should chip in half

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Hogwash  
Two weeks ago

Slow news day on the forum.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

I know everyone has to hate on Perf but lets face facts Bogut was being a dickhead

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AD  
Two weeks ago

Well at least it has its own tread now, so people can argue back and forth here.

Just one question, for all those pointing out that Bogut broke no rule, can you please point out exactly which rule Gleeson broke?

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WookieE  
Two weeks ago

Seriously, AD? lol... That's as stupid as people now trying to make it about the 36ers and the futuristic whataboutism, anticipating that someone would get overtly physical if someone else tried it...

This was hilarious and I'm surprised that the NBL showed any backbone here... A token fine that any reasonable fan would be ok with, move along and use it for material for their next match up...

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Senator11  
Two weeks ago

Found this on brief inspection of the FIBA rules. I don't necessarily agree or disagree.

Tech foul definition includes: "Baiting and taunting an opponent"

Everyone keeps saying Bogut was trolling, so he should have received a tech foul by the rules.

"A technical foul by team bench personnel is a foul for disrespectfully communicating with or touching the officials, the commissioner, the table officials or the opponents, or an infraction of a procedural or an administrative nature."

Sounds like Gleeson broke this rule by being bench personnel touching an opponent.

Disqualifying foul: "A disqualifying foul is any flagrant unsportsmanlike action by a player or team bench personnel"

Don't feel like Gleeson or Bogut crossed this line.

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MACDUB  
Two weeks ago

"Just one question, for all those pointing out that Bogut broke no rule, can you please point out exactly which rule Gleeson broke?"

Well I'm guessing he broke the rule in the NBL Code of Conduct, hence why he was fined. *facepalm*

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rjd  
Two weeks ago

Surely it was obviously for shoving Bogut on the chest.

I liked Bogut's approach in this. There was no timeout. There is no reason for Bogut to not try to negate any strategic advantage Perth might be seeking. There is no rule about other players entering opposition huddles on the court. There are well defined opportunities for teams to strategise without opposition knowledge; they are called timeouts. Basketball is a game of strategy, so let teams strategise. This includes counter-strategic measures as Bogut attempted.

I don't know if people criticising Bogut are doing so from personal prejudices against him, or they just fail to understand the rules of the game.

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TimberBall  
Two weeks ago

Damn...No suspension for Gleeson, as a Cats fan I'm disappointed by that.

I have no issue with the fine but I'd now expect this to be a thing teams do from now on...which will then force the league to start cracking down on non-timeout huddles.

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Senator11  
Two weeks ago

"league to start cracking down on non-timeout huddles."

Why? Teams have been doing this forever, the only difference is usually both teams head off for a huddle, this time Kings didn't. It's not illegal, just like Bogut moving into the opponents huddle is not illegal.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Bogut only went into the huddle so he could investigate the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.

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UseTaHoop  
Two weeks ago

The fine? I called it earlier today.

I actually thought the fine would be $1000, reduced to $500 for an early guilty plea.

The NBL saved Gleeson the trouble of pleading guilty early.

The "huddle" of Perth wasn't an official time out. Therefore it doesn’t have any protections under the rules (I’m pretty sure players must be at their benches during official time outs).

I also don’t think other players will try to “do a Bogut” unless the game is on the line or the opposition is on a run and they need a momentum changer.

Of course Bogut was talking to the refs. He was reminding them of the rules and arguing for a Tech to Gleeson. Refs showed restraint and good judgement. Bogut showed cunning. Gleeson showed...

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Camel 31  
Two weeks ago

Bogut is allowed to stand on the court . Coach caint stand on the court and push a player...... technically speaking...although your coach thought bogut should get a tech and he was all ok .... make up for refs costing you the game...

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AKA  
Two weeks ago

Was Bogut being antagonistic? Yes. Did he act outside the spirit of the game? Yes. Did he do anything illegal and outside of the rules? No. Gleeson however was on the court when he shouldn't have been, as the rules state, and he shouldn’t have pushed Bogut in the chest which is also illegal. Granted it was a light push that was never going to hurt Bogut but the rules are the rules and he should have received a tech foul. Bogut was acting like a bit of a half back flanker but Gleeson really should be better than that and ultimately got away with it with no penalty impacting the game. There can’t be a grey area here or provisions against a tech because Bogut was being a dick. Smart, but a dick.

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alexkrad  
Two weeks ago

Saying Bogut did break any rules is correct, so lets have opposing players enter team huddles after fouls and during every umpire review from now on?

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WookieE  
Two weeks ago

Pretty sure players have been "accidentally" getting into impromptu team huddles after fouls forever, just no-one has been quite so obvious about it...

Didn't Ingles do something with James Harden a few months back regarding a huddle?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

This is amusing.
"I tried to run a play and the big boofhead got in there and tried to listen," Gleeson explained.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/basketball/perth-coach-trevor-gleeson-explains-what-happened-during-his-exchange-with-andrew-bogut/news-story/03adb40f59c8851c3d7e2ef055ac051d

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rjd  
Two weeks ago

"Did he act outside the spirit of the game? Yes. "

That "outside the spirit of the game" sounds like a vague argument when you can't really articulate why there is a problem. The spirit of the game is to be competitive and fair and respectful, to play under the rules of the game. How exactly is it outside the spirit of the game? How is it disrespectful to counter opposition strategies like that?


That Ingles incident was hilarious: https://youtu.be/wqw0BJPKci0?t=15


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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Have to say, much as it is fashionable to always take sides against Perth, my sympathy is with Gleeson on this one.

How is it that coaches and teams have been doing this across the globe since forever, and there's not a problem till Bloguts comes to the NBL.
He's a cockhead and a bully who thinks he's hotshit and too good for our league.

Not even that good a player, got owned and had to be bailed out by Lisch and Newly

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UseTaHoop  
Two weeks ago

Gleeson incident cf Ingles incident:

I don't think Gleeson could reach Bogut’s shoulder.

Looked like Ingles wanted to start a singalong of Waltzing Matilda.

Harden be like, "Who’s Matilda."

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Trev  
Two weeks ago

Look, i made a mistake. Yes i shouldn't of used my hands. Perhaps i should of simply called him names during the team meeting on court when he was within ear shot of us.

I'll pay the fine, but let me tell you this, i'll be instructing my entire team to stand next to Sydney every time a similar situation occurs. Mark my words.

Trev

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UseTaHoop  
Two weeks ago

Trev

So you want your team to gain the great advantage of learning from the NBL's greatest ever coach?

Then when the game re-starts the Kings will just run plays called by their on-court leaders.

Genius move. I hope the bookies don’t read this thread before the next Wildcats v Kings game.

Genius.

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Glen  
Two weeks ago

Senator11


I guess Perth were to blame too when Childress charged Wagstaff...

A dopey retaliation to a cheap shot, one that the refs failed to call, none of Wagstaff, the refs or Childress are free of blame.

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Udog  
Last week

It looked like they formed a huddle right in front of Bogut so he just stopped on the spot and joined in. Ingles joined a Rockets huddle last year I reckon. Nobody had a tantrum though.

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