Jack Toft
Last year

Melbourne v Perth Dec 17

Monday night NBL is back and this time they won't forget the gravy.

Melbourne have had a pretty quiet round so far. Plenty of time off to have a barbie and watch tapes of Perth getting dacked by Sydney in Perth. In fact, twice in 8 days.

Perth had a very strong start to the season and even with injuries they have shown their depth to claw out some amazing wins this season. They are the hunted and tonight Melbourne are the Hunters. Will Melbourne go "wabbit hunting", or will they get themselves a "feral wildcat"?

The standout from the Thursday night win was that only 14 points came from the Perth bench compared to Sydney's 33. Perth overwhelmingly won the boards with a massive 21 offensive boards giving them plenty of second chances.

The telling stat tonight might be those bench points. While Perth have shown they have the depth, Melbourne have the outside arc. The starting 5's might be pretty even but it is how the coaches can squeeze that extra 1% out of their bench.

Last time I said the team with the fresher legs would win, and I was proven wrong. I don't think I'll be 0-2 tonight....

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AD  
Last year

Honestly don't know what to expect going into tonight's game.
I get the impression Melbourne aren't playing quite as well as last time, but then the wildcats have played a few shit games in a row.

Crazy thing is we seem to play better with some players out injured.

IMO its going to come down to a few things:
Is Boone still injured? They'll need more than 12 minutes from him.
Are CG & MM going to light it up from outside? Perth seem to struggle against good outside shooters.
Will Gleeson get his defensive match-ups right, something he has often refused to do.
Has Wagstaff had a good long hard look in the mirror, and will he stand up tonight, or continue coasting to retirement?
Can White stop throwing up shit?

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LV  
Last year

Last time these two met, CG43 put on a classic shooting performance before getting injured late in the game.

That was the 4th game of United's season, with CG putting up 20+ points in 3 of the first 4 games.

Since that injury he's missed a game or two, then he played 5 minutes without putting up a shot against Cairns. Then sat more games.

Since his eventual return, in 6 games he's 10.5ppg shooting 33% from the field.

When he's at his best, United will be very hard to stop. They're a strong defensive team, but they rely heavily on Casper and CG at the offensive end. Last week, Brisbane shut United down by essentially double teaming Casper. No one else could capitalise on the 4 on 3, and the rest of the team was just ineffective. Ordinarily, I'd expect CG to be catching those first passes out of the double team and drilling 3's at will, or creating something.

United needs CG to get going again. He's been out of form and lacking confidence. Tonight will be his night- I hope. He's well overdue.

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AD  
Last year

Yep, agree with that.
That's why I hope Trev gets his match ups right. Ware is in my view the best PG in the league. He can do it all, and we need to shut him down. I'd be tempted to start Martin on him, and tag-team all night with Norton.
I would suggest starting Norton on him, and bringing on Martin if CG looks like lighting up... But we know Trev will ride Cotton so thats not going to happen.

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Camel 31  
Last year

perth unlikely due to the refs ... it is said - repetition gives a sense of security

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Anonymous  
Last year

Depends on how vickerman uses the bench, if he plays his starters plus McCarron thirty to thirty five minutes like he has been doing they'll lose it down the stretch like they have been. Kennedy, Goulding, Barlow and McCarron have been not quite on in the last few games, they switch it to on and vickerman shares the load, Melbourne by 10, if he flogs the starters Perth by 6.

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Senator11  
Last year

Can't see us winning over in Melbourne to be honest. Will just wait for the media and everone to jump the gun and say Cats are done for the season all over social media, good times.

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Anth  
Last year

Thinking Melbourne by 7 points.

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Hogwash  
Last year

Head says Melbourne, heart says Perth. Wait and see, bring on the "sack people threads".

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Anonymous  
Last year

Perth continuing where they left off the other night. Unable to put the ball in the basket.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jervis has been solid so far

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Anonymous  
Last year

He is although he is lucky to be out there. Got away with a big foul that would have been his 3rd

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koberulz  
Last year

In fairness it was also the only foul he's actually committed.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"He is although he is lucky to be out there. Got away with a big foul that would have been his 3rd"

2nd foul looked like Moller took a bit of a dive imo

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Anonymous  
Last year

"That was no flop"

(Sees replay)

Laughter ensues at obvious flop

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Name  
Last year

Goulding flopping

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Anonymous  
Last year

Goulding flops on his drive then 15sec later gets cleaned up by a Norton screen lol, bit of karma

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J  
Last year

Perth look flat. Their offence is rather stationary, and they cant hit a thing

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Name  
Last year

Terrico is in trouble. Adds nothing when Cotton is cold. Need a James Ennis type people.

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UseTaHoop  
Last year

Anon 990

Are you on United's coaching staff?

Vickerman riding starters pretty hard. On track for 30 min plus games for Ware, Goulding n McCarron.

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Tom  
Last year

What game is Homicide watching. That was an automatic block by Norton on Goulding down the sideline.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Goulding has gone full toddler. He's in as much self denial about his own actions as Tommy is about eating the chocolate cake.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Goulding is legit up to 5+ genuine flops already in the first half

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Luuuc  
Last year

One point deficit at the half feels extremely generous after how ordinary we were.

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Manu Fieldel  
Last year

P. Cooper is getting better

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Anonymous  
Last year

Once cotton and white going Perth will win

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Anonymous  
Last year

Maybe you'd get to the line Goulding if they weren't flops

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Anonymous  
Last year

Usetahoop

Just no how vickerman coaches, was same at nz, was part reason Wesley went back, plus also mates with breakers coach.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Has there been a more poor defender in league history than goulding. He has had to switch on to 4 different players in the first half and perth know this and just give his man the ball. Every one of his opponents has just blown by him.

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Anonymous  
Last year

and every one of Melbourne's refs has been blown by him

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Anonymous  
Last year

God who even cares about these "celebrities" it's ridiculous

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UseTaHoop  
Last year

Anon 038

But there's no denying that you can buy a Chinese car for $22 990. Complete with asbestos.

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Luuuc  
Last year

This is U.G.L.Y. from the Cats

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Anonymous  
Last year

what a fucking embarrassment from perth

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Anonymous  
Last year

no one from wildcats even looks like being able to score

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Splinky  
Last year

Has to be 3rd import time for the Wildcats.

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Name  
Last year

Wildcats needs a better SF

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Tom  
Last year

Cotton looks tired. Agreed Goulding is a baby but he can shoot and he has it going in Q3. Probably out of reach now for Perth.

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Luuuc  
Last year

Not that a 3rd import would hurt, but this BS is not a personnel issue IMO.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I'd be bringing in Carrick Felix if I was the cats management would be a perfect fit with cotton

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Hogwash  
Last year

White needs to save his job this quarter in my opinion.

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J  
Last year

In the afl you take a players legs and its a free kick, but not in the nbl i guess... Perth are playing terribly.

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Name  
Last year

Wildcats needs Sheldon Jeter

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Luuuc  
Last year

We almost look awake atm. Just 2 hours too late.

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Hogwash  
Last year

Should put Steindl on court.

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Timberball  
Last year

Long few weeks ahead for the Cats I think. Lucky we took advantage of the soft start. Going to need it.

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Luuuc  
Last year

Might as well put the bench on. McCarron just put this one on ice.

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Hogwash  
Last year

Fair to say Homicide and some Adelaide fans will be stroking themselves tonight.

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Manu Fieldel  
Last year

Isn't it funny how Cotton's shot percentage goes up when he doesn't flop on three-pointers

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Luuuc  
Last year

Why are United's stars still out there?

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Anonymous  
Last year

nick kay, the only cat to show up tonight

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Anonymous  
Last year

Melbourne wouldn't Barlow for Kay, Barlow showed tonight who the best four in the comp is and it ain’t Kay.

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Luuuc  
Last year

Can't say I agree. Barlow certainly showed tonight which team was better at creating open looks though.

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Cats for life  
Last year

3rd import coming shortly

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Anonymous  
Last year

Kay is definitely better than Barlow, and that's not a knock on Barlow, he's playing well, but Kay has been awesome this season.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Saying Barlow is better than Kay is like nominating Loughton for most improved over McCarron.

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Bol  
Last year

Would getting a third import eliminate the need for replacing White?

IMO getting a better import than White might be the better option otherwise the cats could end up with two average imports that contribute very little.

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What happened Perth?
Refs couldnt bail you out?
You played a decent team at full strength?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Not sure if Liam Santamaria or a short stocky little Christian Bale

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Anonymous  
Last year

White looks spent. Injuries left him with no athleticism , slow , tired. THey need a high flight who can bring a different dimension to the team.

Wagstaff - Should retire been woeful for ages

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Luuuc  
Last year

What happened Perth?
Refs couldnt bail you out?
You played a decent team at full strength?

It all went horribly wrong for us, Whats happened to the NBA.
Someone assured us that the refs were our buddies and would never let us lose, but once again there was zero evidence of it and we got thumped.

IMO getting a better import than White might be the better option otherwise the cats could end up with two average imports that contribute very little.

I agree with you, Bol. In theory at least. In reality you never quite know what you're gonna get from a new import.

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Hogwash  
Last year

A third import isn't required just an upgrade for White will be sufficient.
A three man who can play four in a pinch.

Three point shooting would be handy but not essential. Steindl fills that need.

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Bol  
Last year

White isn't that great defensively and on the boards so if he's not hitting his shots he provides very little to the team. Definitely need to upgrade to a more versatile three man.

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Senator11  
Last year

Gross...all that needs to be said about the Cats performance tonight.

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Hogwash  
Last year

When Cotton has an off night White needs to step up. He did not.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Josh Boone is so so bad this season

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Anonymous  
Last year

Firstly, what the hell is going on, suddenly everyone is agreeing with me - "Would getting a third import eliminate the need for replacing White? "
To answer that question I'd say yes, They need to pull the trigger now, piss off Wagstaff, and get a proper SF. Somebody who's a actually a forward and can handle some of the bigger SFs, but more importantly can get to the basket and score, reliably. - Keep white coming off the bench in spurts. Less pressure, and if he gets hot you can leave him on. - Unless you know Casey Prather is available, Id hate to see them swap White for an import that might be no net gain.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I'd hate to see them swap White for an import who is a nothing but net gain

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Perthworld  
Last year

Troy did nothing last season when we were cooked during mid-Dec to mid-Jan. A massive fade is happening again so it will be interesting to see how invested the club really are or will they merely continue off of the fumes of recent titles. Does the CEO even have authority to spend? We'll see.

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UseTaHoop  
Last year

Manu

"Isn't it funny how Cotton's shot percentage goes up when he doesn't flop on three-pointers"?

I know it's a rhetorical question, but there could be at least 2 answers.

1. He shoots so much better when balanced and in rhythm. Kicking out the legs and adopting weird body positions to create and/or accentuate contact for a foul call interferes with his balance and rhyth.
2. His mind is too busy worrying about the foul to focus on shooting.

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MACDUB  
Last year

Really don't know how Wagstaff made the Australian team.

On the flipside, how good is Kay. If you look at his season statistics, they make for impressive reading. Definitely a hugely underrated player.

15.6ppg, 9rpg, and 3apg on 63%FG, 34%3PFG and 86.4% FT.

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