Jack Toft
Two weeks ago

Hawks v Kings Dec 5

Ah, the NSW Derby, or as Queenslanders call it, the "cockroach cup"

Top of table Sydney jump on a bus to square up against the Hawks. Illawarra's season is slowly slipping away and they have almost gone from contenders to pretenders. Lose this game and they end up 7 & 11. There's 28 games in a season so make finals your team need 15 wins. They would need to win 80% of their remaining games, then hope Cairns causes a bit of trouble for results to go their way. You can't rely on the miracle of results going your way to make finals and win a flag unless you're the Vatican team.

The Hawks have nothing to lose today and if Sydney go in too confidently and don't give them the respect they deserve, an upset looms.

I'm expecting a game of two halves. The Hawks to be competitive in the first half, but Sydney to pull away in the 3rd and clear the bench in the 4th.

Sydney by a Baker's Dozen

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Kings to end Hawks season.

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robt  
Two weeks ago

...and Ithought that Bris would do that to Cairns, didn't we all?

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

Should be an easy Kings win, but the Hawks are more than grindy enough for an upset. Hoping for a good game either way... kinda regret not making the trip down to Wollongong for this one.

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JR  
Two weeks ago

I'm not so sure guys. I think the Kings look more together, happier and more into team success as a group than the Hawks do this year. Usually it is reversed but I think the Hawks have a couple of personalities within their lineup who are detracting from their togetherness. Most unlike a Bevo coached team

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JR  
Two weeks ago

Sorry I mean I agree Kings win in a romp

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Zodiac  
Two weeks ago

With the Kings stifling defence they could hold this offensively inept Hawks team to a seriously low score if they wanted to hopefully it doesn't happen after the flogging they took on NYE.

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Perthworld  
Two weeks ago

Heal: "It's paying dividends"

Yes Shane, unlike your businesses that paid out nothing to investors.

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

3rd Hungry Jacks gift from Kickert this season... at least the home team fans get to take advantage this time.

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

Kickert doing his best Conger impersonation early.

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UseTaHoop  
Two weeks ago

Is this the most most vocal and most involved the 'Gong fans have been all season?

Sounds like the good old days. I hope those at the game tell their friends and crowds pick up.

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UseTaHoop  
Two weeks ago

Crowd size?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Bowen nba, lol

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

Kings look like they're still nursing new years eve hangovers.

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Perthworld  
Two weeks ago

@UTA it's a derby that's why.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

This bloke with the lisp commentating is god awful. Everything is the best thing he's ever seen and if you drink every time he says 'forthcoming’ you’ll be off ya rocker by half time

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UseTaHoop  
Two weeks ago

PW

I know how close they are geographically, but the crowd is def louder for Illawarra.

Their crowds have been crappily small and uninvolved. Gotta look for something to build from.

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UseTaHoop  
Two weeks ago

Bogut trying to calm Gaze and get him back on task.

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

I don't know if it was just the timer they had on the screen, but the clock stuck on 1 second for about 3 seconds on that last shot. Might have been what Gaze was upset about?

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

I guess one positive for Sydney is that usually the Kings wait until the second half to score 26 points in two quarters. Maybe a big 3rd and 4th Qs to come.

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

Gibbo posted a vid on Twitter. The clock operator stopped the clock at 2 seconds for some reason.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

50 seats short of sell out. Over 4000 you would think.

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koberulz  
Two weeks ago

Angus, the TV clock often bears no relation to the stadium clock.

Either way the shot was clearly released before time expired, so it should have counted.

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

You could see it on the clock on the replay they showed after half time KR. The on screen clock was correct.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

What did Matt Campbell talk about at halftime

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

Interesting tid bit from the commentary team re: Conklin and Ced.

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Perthworld  
Two weeks ago

Two fugly shots in a row by Bogut hands momentum back to Illawarra.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Hope Adnam gets a tech here for being a little b*tch.
He already got the USF call his way. Should have taken it and walked away.

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

I actually think Adnam would handle Ogilvy, if push came to shove.

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koberulz  
Two weeks ago

You could see it on the clock on the replay they showed after half time KR. The on screen clock was correct.
It presumably stopped at some point but it wasn't at two seconds.

But again, it doesn't matter. Shot was released before the buzzer, should have counted.

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JR  
Two weeks ago

Only saw the second half but great effort from Hawks so far. I like the lineups much better in this game ie. playing Ced and Conklin less

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Hawk offence choking horribly in the 4th

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Timberball  
Two weeks ago

Randle is bricking the kings out of this

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JR  
Two weeks ago

how is that unsportsmanlike? Heavy contact yes but Bogut was legitimately making a play for the block. Refs shouldn't be influenced by the crowd

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

Kings don't deserve this, but I’m a little bit sick of these ridiculous unsportsmanlike calls.

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

If Conklin doesn't make that call himself the refs don’t even review that foul.

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Ben  
Two weeks ago

Down 3, why would the Kings foul when they had a chance to force a miss and have about 10 seconds to get a score?

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JR  
Two weeks ago

Agreed AngusH.. couldn't have said it better

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Luuuc  
Two weeks ago

If Conklin doesn't make that call himself the refs don't even review that foul.

I came here to post something every similar. Potentially a match-winning appeal by Conk.

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koberulz  
Two weeks ago

I don't think it was an unreasonable call. Borderline for me.

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

Well at least we found one person who thinks so.

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Timberball  
Two weeks ago

Tough call but the hand on the shoulder before the swipe made it look bad

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JR  
Two weeks ago

Yes it certainly was a match winning appeal.. but this isn't cricket.

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AngusH  
Two weeks ago

Kings shooting was bound to return to the mean at some point, but a disappointing ending all the same. Really hope the unsportsmanlike rule gets a hard look this offseason, because at this point I think something like 2/3rds of the ones being called are garbage.

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Very Old  
Two weeks ago

Well ..... two titanic battles

1) which coach can have the worst 5 on the court to win at the end of the game

2) which import will do the worst job in the last 5 minal minutes to ensure a loss ?

1) Andrew gaze not having bogut fronting the inbounds pass is just is slightly more effective than Bevo who refused to play his most effective player of the game

2) Randle ( I can shoot) just edges out Jackson ( I can dribble into danger anytime).

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Very Old  
Two weeks ago

If Bogut was looking to block the shot, he would have been reaching up, and almost certainly would have got it, he did not complain becasue he knew that he decided to stop the shot by hacking down as per NBA, and forgot that it would be called unsportsman like in the NBL and FIBA rules
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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Three upsets in a row, welcome 2019

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Jack Toft  
Two weeks ago

Whoa!

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Unsportsmanlike foul Criteria 2, excessive, hard contact caused by a player in an effort to play the ball or an opponent.

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Duncan  
Two weeks ago

I try so hard to follow this league but if that's an unsportsmanlike I'm out. No other serious league in the world is calling that. Stop trying to be a hero and influence the game and let the players decide it. Down 1, Bogut is in the air, desperation kicks in to stop a bucket. Heavy contact because if he doesn't it could be and 1. Is Conklin hurt? No. Explain to me logically what Bogut should do there? I guess with his time again just let Conklin score the 2. I understand the strict interpretation but how about some common sense? Does anyone, outside of Illawarra fans, objectively want to see that called? Conklin makes 2, Hawks are up 3, if someone from Kings can make a play they can still win otherwise Hawks win. Again, PLAYERS decide. Ridiculous.

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X  
Two weeks ago

It sounded like the commentators were saying two of the Hawks players don't like each other? Who were they?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Hawks beat the top 2 teams but lost to the bullets?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

See ya Duncan. p.s we all know you're not "out". Same as we know people who say they mute the commentary don't really do it cause they always know what's been said each game. The posters are the same on here that have been saying they're "out" for 10 years lol. See you next game Duncs!

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X  
Two weeks ago

The lisping guy is Nathan Strempel. Absolutely terrible commentator, the way he sucks up to Heal is nauseating.

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koberulz  
Two weeks ago

No other serious league in the world is calling that.
TIL the NBA is the only serious league in the world.

Explain to me logically what Bogut should do there? I guess with his time again just let Conklin score the 2.
Correct. Because defensive players shouldn't be able to make up for errors by whacking people. It's not rocket science.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Duncan, it's the rules idiot. Go google Euroleague then come back.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

The game is turning into netball, waiting for officials to call contact, have to be a metre off the ball defensively, can only block shots going straight up. The whole unsportsmanlike foul is a joke, even coaches on the right end of the call aren't a fan. Having to foul in final minute is always a lottery with the whole play at the ball interpretation.
How about the nbl say screw fiba and get rid of those rules, is that possible. Have those rule changes improved the game, of course not. I can see the clear path foul maybe, but it's a good strategy by the defence.
That Bogut foul was ridiculous, as pointed out, if Conklin hadn't made a big deal it wouldn't have been called. May not have definitely changed the outcome but gave the Hawk's and unfair advantage.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Ciao Duncan

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Isaac  
Two weeks ago

Duncan, have you seen what the NBA refs hand out techs for? Different call but same sentiment.

If Heal has a remotely reasonable sense of himself, he must surely cringe every time Barkley gets raised.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Sad days for the Kings and Gaze. The sooner the season ends and the Kings don't renew his contract. This from a very loyal supporter of the Kings.

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Lovebroker  
Two weeks ago

Ummm...aren't the Kings second place temporarily until the Breakers Wildcats game? If 1st place is unacceptable to you perhaps give up sport?

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Perthworld  
Last week

Isaac for once I felt sorry for Heal when that Nafan dude brought it up. You could tell there was a notable pause between it and Shane's forced reply after thinking to himself "FML".

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Duncan  
Last week

^^^ thanks anon. I live in Europe and play over here but Will do sir.

Copping some heat, that's fine. My argument is not that by Interpretation it shouldn't be unsportsmanlike. My argument is 1) I don't like the Interpretation, but that's another story. I think we can agree there was a time it wouldn't have got a second look. But 2) just objectively as a fan I would rather cooler heads prevail, as mentioned earlier IF Conklin didn't ask for it they probably don't call it, then even IF Conklin makes both Lisch or someone taking a 3 to take it to OT is far more entertaining than the foul and ft fest that followed.

Anyway, I'm off to Google euroleague. Is it like Eurovision where Australian teams can enter?

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Anonymous  
Last week

wildcats back on top bois

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Chris  
Last week

The standard of refereeing in the game was embarrassing. I took several people to the game who have either not been in 15 years or never have. We get treated to 57 free throws, 3 long and non required reviews, and an overall horrible game. Yeah it was close, that's about it.

The halftime review went for 5 minutes, teams had already left as soon as the buzzer sounded, and Sydney came out and had to go back inside the rooms when they entertainment meant they couldn't do shootaround.

Basketball is a judgement call game, every single call aside from out of bounds and made shots. 'Rules' in the game are open to interpretation, and yesterday were wrong far too often. Calling an unsportsmanlike on Bogut (gladly I had left about 1 minute prior to that or I'd have lost my shit) on that play is why you have so many FTA.

That female ref should be replaced with someone competent. The other two weren't far behind.

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Very Old  
Last week

relax everyone, the refereeeing problems in australia are soon to be over, all fixed after jan 15.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/basketball/michael-haynes-ready-to-put-out-wnbl-firestorm-20181213-p50lz0.html

https://australia.basketball/michael-haynes-appointed-head-of-officials/


although ....

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Anonymous  
Last week

Warren Smith said it best a few months ago. If you think the standard of officiating is holding your game back from growing you're absolutely dreaming. The new fans you're trying to attract barely even know it exists. But dream on. My favourite is the "I'm out" every week. But posting the next week for 10 years.

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koberulz  
Last week

Calling an unsportsmanlike on Bogut (gladly I had left about 1 minute prior to that or I'd have lost my shit) on that play is why you have so many FTA.
A USF results in the same number of FTA as a common foul in that situation.

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PeterJohn  
Last week

I struggle to understand why the people who get so incensed about flopping being a blight on the game are usually the strongest supporters of intentional fouling. There is zero sportsmanship or skill in deliberately breaking the rules by thumping or grabbing the arm of someone who's outplayed you. But so many people see this sort of cheating as not merely acceptable but recommended behaviour, while abhorring a flop. I've never got that double standard and I never will.

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Anonymous  
Last week

David Wear will be the reason the Kings won't win the title. One of the worst imports in NBL history.

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Chris  
Last week

Kobe, I know the fta on that play are the same, plus possession. My point is the fact they'd call the game so tight as to make that unsportsmanlike reflects how they called it all game.

Sydney went from their first FTA in the final 80 secs of the game 2 weeks ago v Ill to 31 attempts yesterday.

The teams didn't change in the matchup, the ref's did.

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koberulz  
Last week

My point is the fact they'd call the game so tight as to make that unsportsmanlike reflects how they called it all game.
How dare the refs enforce the rules! Those bastards!

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