Wendy Byrd
Earlier this year

Wright: Wiley as a dunker is up there with JC

Coach Wright has said that Wiley reminds him of James Crawford. Huge compliment, do you think he is that good?

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"He (Wiley) is up there with the best," Wright said.

"I think if you go back to Crawford, him and Crawford remind me of each other.

"Jacob will end up being like Crawford.

"I saw him (Crawford) dunk in jeans when he was 55.

"I bet you Jacob will be dunking till he's 60.

"Those two are the best I've seen in my time here (in Australia)."

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Wiley and "the best" does not go together

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

What an insult to Crawford and people like Trimmingham

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Alabama slammer please some respect.

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paul  
Earlier this year

A misquote from the OP, Wright was asked how Wiley ranks as a dunker and he provided the above response which is fair enough. Had Wiley played during the NBL's semi pro days he would have been pulling rims down like nobody's business!

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paul  
Earlier this year

*By misquote I mean quoted without proper context

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Udog  
Earlier this year

Wiley has provided some of the best dunking displays so far in less than one season. If he sticks around he'll be in the mix (if he isn't all ready). He's doing it on some pretty big, athletic blokes as well.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

A misquote from the OP, Wright was asked how Wiley ranks as a dunker and he provided the above response which is fair enough. Had Wiley played during the NBL's semi pro days he would have been pulling rims down like nobody's business!
Yeah I was gonna say, as an athlete he might be comparable but to suggest he's anywhere near the player Crawford was is an absurdity.

That said, if he'd been playing in the semi-pro days he'd have less time, money, and know-how to put into his body, so he likely wouldn't be the athlete he currently is.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

He's more like MC. Michael Carrera.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Improved the topic title. If he was as good a player, I think he'd be getting more minutes!

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

He's a better dunker than Crawford but obviously not a better player.

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anonymous  
Earlier this year

Obviously on a whole different level but is a similar discussion to who is the GOAT...

It is near impossible to compare players from totally different eras.

If you could put modern day Wiley directly into the era that Crawford played, Wiley would be a far superior player with his athletic ability and skillset.

Players back then didn't have the same level of professionalism in training etc

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I like how you said it was impossible to compare players of different eras, then made a comparison of players from different eras.

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anonymous  
Earlier this year

whatever buddy, how about you input to conversation rather than critique posts...

point being there is so much difference in the game now that comparing players is near on impossible.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

He's a more than very useful player imo as well.

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JR  
Earlier this year

I agree it is impossible to compare players across eras. The rules are different enough to impact the way the game is played and how players are developed. So if Wiley played, say during 1995- he wouldn't be that good although he is an excellent athlete.. same goes for Crawford if he played today as he would be dealing with a lot more size and shooting/ ball handling bigs in the modern game.

As a dunker- Crawford definitely has him on this one I believe. I have never seen anyone on these shores who can elevate as quickly or high (at that size). Crawford used to wait until the opposition left the ground and them would be wel above them on their shot release, that’s pretty amazing regardless of any era.

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Udog  
Earlier this year

I reckon he's going to develop as a player.

As for who he's dunking on it's like comparing Borner to Bogut.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

JC's "problem" was that dunking was so effortless for him, and he rarely put any extra mustard on them to make them look more impressive, nor did he have any interest in using them to show up an opponent or to fire himself up. For him they were pretty much just a very-high-percentage FGA.

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Bol  
Earlier this year

Its a pity Crawford isn't playing in the current era. Semi pro era or not i would have enjoyed seeing him elevating and dunking over Bogut

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robt  
Earlier this year

Couple of things.

Firstly, I have to agree with Luuuc (Luuuc, you could abreviate your name with a "w" instead of 2 of the "u"'s you use currently. Luuuc could become Lwuc or Luwc!). Crawford was oustanding in the frequency and ease of his dunks. Did it in traffic more often than not from memory. But not flash. Wiley is certainly flash but more opportunistic than "this is what I do (all the time)". More like "look what III can do (sometimes)!". Wiley great to watch, but Crawford in my team over him, that is, if they were both the same age at the same time with same set of skills.

In both cases, please accept that I am allowing for Wiley, playing "then", may not have developed some of the flash he now displays. Similarly, Crawford may have been flashier than he was in his time/environs if he was playing now (right age etc).

Secondly, I love the English language and I am pedantic as hell.
When I read the following, "Had Wiley played during the NBL's semi pro days he would have been pulling rims down like nobody's business!", couldn't help thinking that at that time, Wiley was around 25 to 30 years younger than now. I just don't see toddlers or unborns-yet "pulling rims down like nobody's business!". Can you?

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JR  
Earlier this year

Yes it's true that Crawford didn’t play as often as ex NBA guys. I do remember him going over and dunking on Winston Crite who was a fringe NBA player and about the closest we had to former NBA guys in those says. And Crite was a great athlete. Later on Branch and McClain came who had those credentials also

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Ooh I missed this earlier.

If you could put modern day Wiley directly into the era that Crawford played, Wiley would be a far superior player with his athletic ability and skillset.

Fkn LOL!!

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Udog  
Earlier this year

McClain was what 6 foot 6"? Was he a shot blocker? We now have Bogut, Boone, Long and co.

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Bol  
Earlier this year

BBL and co merely step ladders

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

If you could put modern day Wiley directly into the era that Crawford played, Wiley would be a far superior player with his athletic ability and skillset.


This one is so laughable I'm not sure if I'm being trolled or not.

There are so many ways JC is better than Wiley there just isn't enough time.

Let's just take blocked shots. JC is #2 all time behind Dwight. Wiley is currently 14th in the league behind defensive juggernauts like Tai Wesley, Rob Loe, Nanna Egwu and Daniel Johnson.

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Udog  
Earlier this year

Back in the 48 minute period he played in Crawford would have been on court for a good portion of the game. He also played for 2 decades. Wiley has played a portion of one season and shares the minutes much more in a 40 minute game. He isn't playing much at Center like Crawford did a lot either. Then there's the oposition they play against and the size of those guys. So don't know if blocked shots are a good comparison for the two players.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Crawford was a prolific dunker. Wiley is an excellent dunker for sure and judging by his own reactions after every dunk the quality of each one is outstanding. We should just leave it at that to avoid unnecessary embarrassment to anyone.

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

48 minute period


Give Wiley a 20% free boost to stats and there is still daylight between those two. Not just any daylight, LV level daylight.

Then there's the oposition they play against and the size of those guys.


JC is only 3cm taller than Wiley and had to contend with the likes of Uthoff, Dorge, Bradtke, and Rees, but also was able to guard smaller quicker forwards like Fisher, Bolden, and Mark Davis as well.

Also JC did not spend all his time at the 5. Jeff Allen was the 5 in their first Champsionship, he also shared the 5 with the likes of Pinder and Kuiper

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Gus3232  
Earlier this year

Wiley is not one tenth of the player JC was.

As for dunkers. Man people have short memories. Joe Hurst, Calvin Talford, Trimmingham, Mario Donaldson, Emery Atkinson, Bennett Davison, Leroy Combs, James Ennis. That's without really trying. All better dunkers.

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

How about Prather's dunk on Ogilvy. I'm pretty sure that dunk broke AJ.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

He's still picking Prather's nut hair out of his mouth

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

the NBL and their teeny-bopper fans think that doing a wild celebration after a dunk is what its all about. Last year's top ten were generally weak dunks, with chest thumping, and some american knob rhyming "two" with "do" and then "too". Genius!

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

As for dunkers. Man people have short memories. Joe Hurst, Calvin Talford, Trimmingham, Mario Donaldson, Emery Atkinson, Bennett Davison, Leroy Combs, James Ennis. That's without really trying. All better dunkers.
James Smith.

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Hogwash  
Earlier this year

Bret Rainbow.

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Udog  
Earlier this year

Be nice to see a compilation of these players dunks. Someone want to have a crack? Wiley definately would have some awesome clips in his short career so far.

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

Trimmingham probably has 10 dunks way better than any of Wileys.

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The Oracle  
Earlier this year

Why's everyone gotta hate?
Who gives a fuck. Let’s embrace every star in their own way.

I want guys like Wiley in the NBL. Couldn’t care less if he dunked like J.C or Trimmingham.

Wiley creates highlights ( hope he has a few tonight ) and gives the NBL exposure.

This forum is full of tossers shooting everything and anyone down.

Here’s a tip for all you haters:
Embrace positivity and positive outcomes will come your way then maybe you wouldn’t be so bitter and shitcan everything.

#lifesnotthatbad

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The hating started when someone disrespected an NBL legend.
If some noob says something ignorant they shouldn't cry when they get corrected, they should be thankful for the lesson.

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dribbler  
Earlier this year

Love Wiley but he's got nothing on JC. Crawfords head was near the rim on every dunk and it was normally off one or two steps!!!

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Wendy Byrd  
Earlier this year

Has Wiley really dunked over the top of anyone yet?

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TR  
Earlier this year

Pffffttt.... If your talking about dunkers Billy Fikes was your man. Savage...

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AD  
Earlier this year

JC was just a phenomenal athlete. His standing jump was incredible.
People forget that he was only 6'9, but routinely outplayed much taller Centres.
Despite playing till he was almost 40 (not counting his last game for Canberra) he maintained an average of over 22 points. (Albeit in the 48 minute era.)

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robt  
Earlier this year

Copeland early exponent of the alley oop. And DiVencenzi, short time only but nasty dunker! Think he flexed a bit, too.

But some of the guards, mentioned above, were outstanding. Loved Smith.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Calvin Talford, highest vertical leap the nbl has ever seen

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I stood next to JC once. He wouldn't have been a lick over 6 7.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The kite!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Isn't it time that we just stopped taking the great man seriously.

Incredibly self serving and has so far under achieved at the Sixers. Not looking like a championship winner again this year.

Win something great man, then share your wisdom.

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UseTaHoop  
Earlier this year

Didn't Andrew Gaze perform the greatest dunk ever seen in the NBL, over Cecil Exum?

Threw it down so hard it resulted in legal threats years later.

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

Youtube search, Damian Martin dunk. If he did that today, all of Australia would be on their feet!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Didn't Andrew Gaze perform the greatest dunk ever seen in the NBL, over Cecil Exum?

Threw it down so hard it resulted in legal threats years later."

Get your F**ken facts straight!

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Reality  
Earlier this year

Surely the most iconic dunk is Gaze over "Insert NBA Players Father Name"

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I was a big crawford fan and I think Wiley is awesome. Would love him over at the cats next year.

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Very Old  
Earlier this year

JC significantly shorter than 6'9". -- 6'7" was about right - in shoes.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Wiley, in the city where JC did his best work, did not live up to the comparison. Very solid player, but not in JC's class

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