Perthworld
Last month

Australia vs Iran

Our starting five:

Naar
Weeks
Wilson
Mathiang
Humphries

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Perthworld  
Last month

Why you would do this against one of the best teams in Asia instead of earlier vs. Kazakhstan is odd.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Not sure why Walker is on this team, looks like he couldn't give a toss.
Where's Blanchfield?

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Anonymous  
Last month

You would think given the opportunity to play for Australia, you'd put the effort in.
Hard to watch.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hard to stay awake.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Creek ain't making the WC squad with his effort today.

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Anonymous  
Last month

He is currently leading the team in points, boards and assists so I'm not sure what more you want from him

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Perthworld  
Last month

Actually ignore my comment above since we already locked up top spot in our group.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I already ignore all your comments.

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Big Ads  
Last month

For those of you who are interested, the box scores.

http://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/asian-qualifiers/game/2402/Iran-Australia#tab=boxscore

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Anonymous  
Last month

Grida, 3 minutes, Wilson 27 minutes. Creek never even started, looking like a training run.
Is Wilson going to afl as the rumour is and is this an effort to keep him in basketball??

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Haz  
Last month

Just a team of fill ins. Does anyone else have any great interest in this? Im finding it hard to even be bothered to watch a highlights clip.

And its due to absolutely no media interest. Why should there be when its just NBL fill ins from teams that didnt make the playoffs.

Mainstream media hasnt even looked at this yet. All coverage is found only on basketball accounts (nbl and team pages).

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LC  
Last month

Really?

Mitch Creek who is coming off an NBA contract, Isaac Humphries who is starring in the NBA G League, former NBA player Mangok Mathiang now starring in Europe, plus a host of rising stars? A good opportunity to blood them all in a contest that meant something to Iran.

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Haz  
Last month

LC, your well known for being a true basketball follower, and you have a big interest in aussies playing overseas. For someone like you, this series is higly interesting and worth following.

But it hasnt captured any interest from the media here, and it doesnt seem to be of great interest amongst basketball fans here, who are waiting for the NBL playoffs!

Not knocking the tournament at all. Just going off a general lack of care factor among fans and media interest. Which is a bit of a shame actually.

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Manu Fieldel  
Last month

Can this be scandal territory? Philippines miss out if we lost to Iran, any truth to that?

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Duke Fan  
Last month

"Can this be scandal territory? Philippines miss out if we lost to Iran, any truth to that?"

Standings show them as qualified. What a shame, would have been great to knock them out

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Perthworld  
Last month

Haz correct I had the game on TV but barely watched it. The only interesting thing was when I checked to see if our friends the Philippines had been eliminated and reading all the permutations in regards to that.

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Cram  
Last month

So the Philippines would have been eliminated, as they were the worst of the two 4th place finishers in the group.

Fortunately for them, the other 4th placed team, China, gets in automatically as host. Therefore it was the 5th placed team in the group that they were compared to - Lebanon - and they had them covered.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Creek shows his leadership qualities by calling out unnamed people on social media for choosing not to represent the country...

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Anonymous  
Last month

LC you forgot to mention Jock Landale at Partizan.

Also, for those of you that are not aware, travelling to Iran is not liked by the USA. Players have been advised by BA to get new passports so the Iran entry/exit Stamp no longer appears in their Passport. Additionally, players who held current USA Visas of any category have been advised these may no longer ensure entry to the USA.

So, taking the above into consideration, this was a massive effort by the players who have been playing in the USA - Creek & Humphries and any of the others who hold USA Visas & are hoping the play summer league or go to any try-outs.

Having said that, why so much hate for the players, coaches & BA? These are Aussies, representing their country. All of us on here would pay a high price to represent out country, wouldn't we?

It is an honour & privilege to be asked to represent your country.

The NBA aussies were never going to be available for a number of these FIBA qualifier windows, and it will be similar in future qualifiers, so we all just better get used to it. BA have for some time now informed the NBL & all key stakeholders that this window will, generally, not feature Aussie NBL players who will be participating in NBL finals as clearly this would be a distraction and also risk injury.

Unfortunately we can’t tell FIBA where to go, so we do the best we can. Sure BA could have included some other NBL players, more deserving on performance this year, but, as they had already qualified, BA had the luxury of 'blooding’ some young talent.

The ultimate results of these two games did not really matter and it has provided the powers to be with an insight into who may or may not be worthy of investing some more time, energy & opportunities into.

It was never going to be easy for this team in these games, they were on a hiding to nothing, win and we scoff at the weakness of the opposition, lose and we throw the baby out with the bath water. These players had to endure:
1. Extensive travel in a compressed time period.
2. Sleep deprivation, because of the compressed travel schedule.
3. Playing away, in a foreign country, with unfamiliar accommodation, language, food, etc.
4. They were always going to be compared with the results of the previous Boomers teams in the previous window games. As an example Australia thumped Japan in Australia, but lost in Japan.

Playing away, with the travel et all, is a far more challenging proposition, period.

Scoff at these reasons if you want to, but it was never going to be easy. Few other high performance athletes have to endure this sort of schedule, maybe the Men’s & Women’s FIFA football teams do?

For me, well done to all who were lucky enough to go, you did your country proud!

NB. Nobody held a gun to your head to force you to get up or stay up and watch. If you didn’t like it, then go to bed or channel surf.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I really don't care if Wilson goes to footy or whether the so called rumours contain any truth or not. It is his life and his decision.

However, to suggest that his selection was to to keep him in basketball and to compare his court time with Grida’s is, in my opinion, scandalous and clearly made by a Grida supporter.

If you bothered to watch both games, especially the 2nd I for one am saying, glad we had Wilson.

That is not a knock on Grida, Wilson got an opportunity and showed what he was capable of on the big stage. In both games he was a more than valuable contributor, that is all I am saying.

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koberulz  
Last month

The qualifiers as a whole are largely a waste of time. There's been what, two games that were actually worth watching? And one of those not even for the actual game.

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rjd  
Last month

The boxscore doesn't really highlight how thoroughly Iran outplayed this Boomers team. Defensively Australia really struggled all game. Had Iran been able to hit a more respectable percentage from 3, it would have been a much more embarrassing blowout. On offense, Australia looked impotent against the Iran zone. They looked like a team that hadn't played together, which is what they were. The talent gap against Kazakhstan previously concealed it. The 3 consecutive late threes by Wilson made the scoreline more flattering for the Boomers.

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koberulz  
Last month

BA have for some time now informed the NBL & all key stakeholders that this window will, generally, not feature Aussie NBL players who will be participating in NBL finals as clearly this would be a distraction and also risk injury.
They took plenty of finals players last year. I imagine they would have done so again if qualification had been in any sort of doubt.

The fact that they were already locked in meant they didn't have to worry about winning either game this weekend, and they were able to plan accordingly. Had the results mattered there's no way we were fielding that team.

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rjd  
Last month

"The qualifiers as a whole are largely a waste of time. "

Compare the standard of play in Asia with Europe. I suppose playing in Asia is better than only playing against New Zealand every qualification period, but the top teams in Asia continue to be disadvantaged due to inferior competition. We send a D team for our toughest away game. Meanwhile, the Euro teams are getting used to a genuine tough contest every game. The worst team in Europe Group L beat Serbia; the worst team in group J nearly beat Lithuania.

Playing in Iran was really the greatest challenge of the whole qualification period, yet how many from this particular team have a realistic chance of representing Australia in any future major tournaments? Even the coach wasn't there.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Just because you are a Wilson supporter doesn't mean you are right, most coaches would take Grida in an instant over Wilson. You might be glad he’s there but he hardly earned his spot, kings never played him, played Adnam in the guard spots and Bowen in the three ahead of him.
It was a strange squad and considering no other finals team players went, why Wilson.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Just looking at it objectively and what played ou over the last 4 or 5 days.

I don't think it is about Grida or Wilson. Right or wrong, It’s a coach’s decision. They play different & play different positions - Grida a 2/3, Wilson a 1/2.

But remind me, who was Grida coached by in SEABL last year?

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Anonymous  
Last month

^^^
TBH, as others have indicated, & IMHO apart from Creek, none of these players 'earned' their selection.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Wilson started in the three. As already said above, a lot strange selections.

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Anonymous  
Last month

rjd, we play in the Asia conference, do you want us to ask to play in the European conference?

I don't think FIBA would allow it & given we don’t have access to our NBA players for the majority of qualifiers, I think it would be very tough to qualify.

It is what it is.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Agree, a lot of strange selections.

But, R u going to answer my question about who coached Grida last year? Or does the real truth hurt that much that you can't bare to put it in writing?

If you won’t I will. Adam Caporn was his coach. Who coached the boomers against Iran? I’ll help you out again. Adam Caporn.

You want to make it about the players. As I said it is nothing about the players. It is coach’s decision, that’s all. I am not saying one is better than the other. It was great that these two up & comers along with the others were afforded the opportunity.

Who knows, maybe none of these players will ever get another opportunity?

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PeterJohn  
Last month

Wilson is probably the first NBL player to have played more minutes and scored more points in one game for the Boomers than he did in a whole season of NBL. That's the way to take an opportunity and make the most of it!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Koberulz, during this same window last year the games were in Melbourne. Also, we weren't assured of a World Cup squad either.

So hardly a fare comparison as the travel, disruption, etc are far less.

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rjd  
Last month

"rjd, we play in the Asia conference, do you want us to ask to play in the European conference?"

I can understand why they do it, but if you are someone who truly wants to see the best basketball nations play in the World Cup, the idea of forcing regional diversity should sit uncomfortably with you. If that means 20+ of the 32 best basketball nations qualify from Europe, so be it. There will be just 12 European teams to qualify for the World Cup compared with 8 Asian teams. That seems wrong to me.

You can still encourage growth in basketball with regional tournaments like the EuroBasket and Asia Cup. Some in Asia seem to get irritated by the Australian dominance, but it's really Australia that is helping Asia grow, not the other way around.

It might be cost prohibitive to remove the regional selection scheme entirely, but they might be able to shuffle teams around a bit more in the second round. Inter-regional crossovers, perhaps? Consider that Iran is more than 14 hours flying time from Australia, and we are in the same region! It might also be possible to have away game back-to-backs for nearby teams to save costs.

Then there are the choices of teams in each region. At present, Israel and Turkey are in Europe, while Lebanon is in Asia. Add Israel and Turkey to Asia, and you have two more desperately needed quality teams in Asia.

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Anonymous  
Last month

What I always wonder is given they have FIBA rankings anyway, why dont the top 32 at any given time regardless of region they are from just make the World Cup,

And still have the FIBA Aisa Cup, Euro Basket, AfroBasket, etc to have teams play each other regularly.

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LC  
Last month

* Jock Landale did not play against Iran hence why I did not mention him as this thread is in reference to the Iran game - he went back to Serbia after the win against Kazakhstan

I do love my international hoops, and honestly, Australia and New Zealand nwo being part of Asia helps the Asian region, especially with regular meaningful games. However since Australia qualified some time ago, it has indeed taken some of the lustre from the recent games, and definitely from the media.

We would be lucky to see the Boomers play on home soil once every 2-3 years. So the current qualification method is far better. Just unfortunate for the recent FIBA window in relation to the NBL finals.

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