Anonymous
Two months ago

Hawks receive equalisation subsidy: Loeliger

I know there's been a lot of doubt but in today's Age there's a NBL article where this is mentioned. So stop doubting.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You would think the money spent by Sydney, Melbourne and Perth it would be a reasonable figure.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

To right, because if JL says it, it must be true.

Obviously the system is working perfectly, and there must be some other perfectly logical reason why the Hawks and Snakes can't afford decent players

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Lovebroker  
Two months ago

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/basketball/on-the-rebound-nbl-looking-to-score-but-still-with-work-to-do-20190305-p511vq.html

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Lovebroker  
Two months ago

I hate clubs being given handouts from other clubs.

From the article it suggests Hawks can survive with these handouts but not grow.

I'm down with that.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Free-to-air audiences for two matches per week on Channel Nine's 9GO are up 5 per cent this season. That equates to an average audience of 29,907, or an average reach of 158,969, but it should be pointed out that the two games are on a Saturday and Sunday afternoon.

Fox Sports televises all matches, with an average audience of 12,482 and a reach of 45,278.


If anyone is still confused as to why the NBL needs to prioritse FTA TV over Pay TV there it is.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Obviously the system is working perfectly, and there must be some other perfectly logical reason why the Hawks and Snakes can't afford decent players"

They had plenty of decent players. Blanchfield played for Melbourne and Sydney before Illawarra - the two richest clubs.

Melo Trimble was all NBL second team.
Lucas Walker and Jawai are Boomers. Rob Lowe and Jerry Kenny are New Zealand internationals.

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Steven  
Two months ago

Jawai and Walker are boomers...so is Cadee not a valid point.

Loe and Kenny being Kiwi internationals also doesn't say much.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"They had plenty of decent players."

More Cairns than Illawarra: no, they didn't.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

IIRC equalisation is only to help them reach the salary floor. If everyone else spends the cap or more, of course there will be a disparity.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"If anyone is still confused as to why the NBL needs to prioritse FTA TV over Pay TV there it is."

Pay TV broadcasts three times as many games as FTA, it's currently just as important.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"IRC equalisation is only to help them reach the salary floor. If everyone else spends the cap or more, of course there will be a disparity."

So nothing has changed at all. In the days when there was a salary cap and clubs cheated on thecap, the also rans were always the ones that lost.
Now with no cap the poorer clubs get topped up and they still lose.
Great job Larry.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So the poorer clubs get free money yet they're "losing"? Classic millennial thinking.

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Air Delay  
Two months ago

So the way it works....
Rich clubs can spend whatever they want above the 'cap' .... This could be a million, or two or more. They pay a $40 000 fine which is what is 'equalized' evenly to the other clubs who stick to the minimum cap

I guess every little bit helps? : I

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"So the poorer clubs get free money yet they're "losing"? Classic millennial thinking" Yes and will eventually fold.

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PeterJohn  
Two months ago

"Pay TV broadcasts three times as many games as FTA, it's currently just as important."

I think the reach figures demonstrate otherwise. Ratings are either the the average number of viewers at any given minute of a broadcast game or the total viewers of that game. Reach is the number of unique viewers of the NBL games in a predefined period. NBL should calculate reach based on the same period for pay tv and free-to-air - probably per round or per week (?). Doing it that way ensures sensible assessment of value for money.

So that means free-to-air is reaching 3.5 times as many people with two live games (in crappy timeslots) as pay tv is reaching with three times as many live games.

Would be interesting to know whether or not the figures include time-delayed viewers as well. i.e., the folks who record and watch later.

Overall this was an interesting article about the state of the NBL and refreshingly informative. Thanks to OP for posting and Lovebroker for the link.

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Thunder Jam  
Two months ago

Got to love the whiners who think the big clubs can double the salary cap but not pay a percentage fee to those who have stuck to the cap.
Can I get you a hanky?

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Jack Toft  
Two months ago

equalisation subsidies are nothing new with other leagues.

At the risk of being called an "SJW" (shiver down my spine), keeping "weaker" teams like Wollongong in the league actually bring diversity and interest to the league. When you have every team as a clone of another, then the competition becomes pretty boring. I enjoy a league where each team has its own story, heritage and character. If everyone in the world dyed their hair purple and didn't shave their armpits what a boring, conformist world it would be.

The bigger city teams will always have a slight advantage over smaller city teams due to population (and hence attendances) but also in sponsorships. However, it's actually an advantage to these smaller teams because they have an opportunity to hit up national sponsors because they get the same national airplay as the other teams.

Teams like Cairns and Wollongong bring interest to the NBL, I don't mind the NBL pouring a glass of milk for them every so often, just not the cow.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"At the risk of being called an "SJW""

No one will call you that because only idiots use that term.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

... and if we know anything for absolute certain, there are no idiots here

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Well said jack, 100%.

Most sides perform well all season, Perth always in the box seat due to support,money, time zone can help as well, Sydney, Melbourne of late also spending big but sides like Adelaide if the

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Well said jack, 100%. It's a good system.

Most sides perform well all season, Perth always in the box seat due to support,money, time zone can help as well, Sydney, Melbourne of late also spending big but sides like Adelaide if they didn’t have brain explosions would be in it, even Cairns at seasons end were very good.

Lots of competitions in the world at seasons start only a few sides in it ie premier league, Greek basketball league etc.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"The bigger city teams will always have a slight advantage over smaller city teams due to population (and hence attendances) but also in sponsorships. However, it's actually an advantage to these smaller teams because they have an opportunity to hit up national sponsors because they get the same national airplay as the other teams."

That's bullshit Jack.
Those national sponsors that you talk about if they want NBL coverage are already doing it. Equally those same national sponsors either aren't in the local city or if they are, still answer to the big cities that are already sponsoring in the NBL. Trust me been there done that.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

Sigh...

The issue is not about rich clubs "subsidising" poor clubs.
rich clubs will always outspend poor clubs in many areas and nobody is suggesting that should change.

The issue is about ensuring some level of "evenness" between the teams, to ensure that all teams and all fans get a decent crack at winning. It doesn't have to be perfect, but without some level of this, lesser teams will keep losing, and then they will lose fans and sponsors, in a downward spiral until they become completely unviable and either fold or go back to the state leagues.
Whilst it may be fair enough to suggest that unviable teams should fold, we have only 8 (9 if we're lucky) and must remember that unfettered "survival of the fittest" will rapidly reduce that to around 3 or 4 teams. Which would be a sorry joke.

Now if you prefer, we could go back to a hard, fast, and enforced salary and points cap. But for that to work it must be set inline with the budget of the poorest club(s). That means no more players like Bogut, Ware, Cotton, Lisch, Randle, etc, etc, and local stalwarts playing for under $100k, and consequently preferring to play in Japan.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Dazz. The salary cap has never been enforced. The points cap worked.
Cheaters will always cheat and with no real rules in place, they still continue to win.

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Lovebroker  
Two months ago

The season before last Cairns and Illawarra were in the GF and SF respectively.

Cairns had home court advantage but screwed it up.

Illawarra were 4th and still madebthe GF.

They were the bottom 2 spenders but finished near the top. Sydney and Melbourne were amongst the top spenders yet neither made the playoffs.

That illustrates how having top money doesn't guarantee success. Conversely having the least money doesn't guarantee failure.

This year Cairns had arguably the best import in the league. Melo scored the same per game as Cotton but at a significant better efficiency. Cairns also had 3 imports the Wildcats have but 2.

Cairns are F' ups.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"This year Cairns had arguably the best import in the league."

No.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

"The salary cap has never been enforced"

Perhaps I could have worded that better to say go back to a hard salary cap, AND enforce it.

Points cap would not work without a Salary cap.
Under the points cap all imports were worth 10, so Cotton counts the same as Cooke, and guys lured backed from Europe with big bucks only counted 9.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

"The season before last Cairns and Illawarra were in the GF and SF respectively."

Other way round.

And yes, both those teams have a history of punching above their weight, and keeping the league interesting. That is what we need to continue.

That was the first year of the new rules. Very few clubs were into full swing, Gaze was bumbling his way through his first season as coach, it was Brissy's first year back, and Demopolis had lost the respect of his players.
Sure some of those things will always happen, but from next season we're going to have 4 Mega-Clubs. Brissy, Adelaide, and NZ will face a challenge to be competitive, but they will manage.

Hopefully these subsidies will keep in and help Cairns and Hawks up to that level.

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Flop Warning  
Two months ago

Not sure why that anon is hating on Trimble.
If he was at Perth in place of cotton
Or at melb in place of ware
Or at syd in place of Randle

He would very likely have won the MVP

Bag on his lack of two way running while carrying an entire team offensively for 80% of the season if you want.

But he is easily one of the best imports in the league, if you think otherwise... Well, you don't know what your talking about.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Trimble ahead of Ware or Cotton and we don't no what we are talking about, I wouldn’t have him above Lisch or Sobey. These guys play both ends no what you think.

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