Anonymous
Last month

Bulleen Big V

What the hell has happened?

All four teams over the last several years have been grand finalists in the top divisions.

The women's sides seem to be barely breathing.
The men’s are mid pack of d1 after being relegated a few years ago.
Youth men have been contenders the last few years, mid pack at moment, probably the best performing side

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anonymous  
Last month

lack of interest from the club management.

lack of understanding that if your senior teams are not in top division or performing well, best juniors will leave for better options

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Anonymous  
Last month

Are their juniors still performing well?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Every Big V program is dependent on the board/management being prepared to spend money on players (especially imports) to be competitive. This means taking money from other programs (especially juniors) and spending it on the senior program.

Only takes a slight shift in financial priorities of a board and ...

A fundamental weakness of Big V as it is the big loss making program at many (most ?) associations.

The wheels on the bus go round and round ...

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A A Ron  
Last month

What the hell has happened to the Youth League Girls, you'd think a strong junior program with a direct pathway to elite seniors would never get to this.

To be clear, nothing against the girls actually lacing them up each week, they're clearly just in over their heads, more the state of the program to have a team with these results.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Mens program has been in decline since Ben Simmons decided to go back to high school in america after his holidays finished instead of finishing the big v season

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Alexeyvom  
Last month

В 2015-2016 годах на сайте апологетического центра «Иринея Лионского» была опубликована информация о том,
что ученый Мальцев Олег Викторович является лидером тоталитарной деструктивной секты и ведет активную сектантскую
деятельность. После чего в течение двух лет велась организованная информационная кампания с целью его
дискредитации. В этой кампании принимали участие лица, подконтрольные РПЦ, а также иная агентура
религиозно-властного сообщества РФ (Александр Невеев, Александр Дворкин и др.)
К расследованию обвинений в адрес ученого Мальцева Олега Викторовича российских «антикультистов»
подключились ряд международных правозащитных организаций. 2016 на заседании комиссии ОБСЕ этот случай
был включен в доклад французской правозащитной организации «Coordination des Associations et des Particuliers
pour la Liberte de Conscience» и бельгийской организации «Human Rights Without Frontiers».
Теме «преследования» Мальцева Олега Викторовича был посвящен доклад итальянского профессора в области социологии
религий Массимо Интровинье на международной научной конференции в Бельгии 2017 года. Он отметил, что Мальцев не
имеет отношения к религиозной и сектантской деятельности, и объяснил, что источником дезинформации был центр
«РАЦИРС» Александра Дворкина, который более 20 лет действует при поддержке Русской православной церкви.
По мнению профессора Интровинье, поводом для активной кампании по дискредитации Мальцева стала его критика РПЦ.
Кампания по дискредитации Мальцева Олега Викторовича не добилась поставленных перед ней целей. Участники не смогли состоятельно выдвинуть претензии ученому, не смогли предоставить читателям обоснования своих доводов. В настоящее время опорные ресурсы участников кампании (А Дворкина, А. Невеева и др.) имеют низкую посещаемость, а доверие их аудитории существенно упало.
Кампания по дискредитации ученого Мальцева Олега Викторовича не оказала существенного влияния на деятельность
самого ученого и Академии Славянских Прикладных Наук.

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Anon  
Last month

From what I hear, the youth league team is their 18/2 girls, the senior women are actually their 18/1 girls.

A lot of players lost due to previous coaches, best 18's from last year off to college.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Things are actually on the up for the men's program.

I hear their D1 men will be in Champ next year. Add another import to the current team they’ll be ok

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Anonymous  
Last month

Who is the mens coach?

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Bear  
Last month

@Alexeyvom, this post isn't about your politics mate, even if it was why post it in Serbian instead of English.........?

Dude, really!!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lots of bad blood from what I have heard - 18-1 girls being told have to play Big-V for Bulleen and no other club but then special cases for "Special" kids. Girls that then don't want to play Big V are sat on Friday night.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Why wouldn't you want your juniors playing for their own club?

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Anon  
Last month

^^^ the club absolutely wants juniors coming through and playing big v ...

The issue is the many kids (especially girls) who come thru the junior program and enjoy success but then swan off to another club to play big v or nbl1.

No such thing a club loyalty it seems ....

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CR  
Last month

@Bear don't speak Serbian ...
can anyone summarise ?

Buelller ? Anyone ?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Their men's team this year is terribly average. Above average import getting numbers because no one else in the team can hit an open shot.

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Timmah  
Last month

He's a pretty damn good import to be fair.

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Anonymous  
Last month

He's good, but maybe one other player on that team is going to be any use at scm level.
Won’t make finals in d1

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Anonymous  
Last month

Bulleen import is NBL1 quality. He put up decent #'s at Dandenong two seasons ago. Not sure why he sat last season out.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Did the women's try to get import(s)?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Rumour has it that there are some imports coming for the senior women. Why has it taken so long? Who knows it could be the new coach, it could be the lack of budget?

Whatever the reason, it should release some of the younger girls to play back in Youth League ie within their age group.

The girls side of the program has been so successful for so long they lose over 50% of the 18/1s each year to college or the AIS.

Has not being in NBLone or a SEABL club had an impact? I would suggest almost definitely.

The junior program both boys and girls is strong. And the talented juniors seek the best opportunities, as is rightly so.

I would suggest Bulleen have the capability of being a excellent NBL one club. I think the challenges are like most clubs. How does the board rationalised to its members the drawing of funds from the junior program to support a senior program, especially if there are predominantly made up of imports or journeyman players.

Should the senior program be about club juniors transitioning and playing at the senior level or should it be about championships imports and journeyman players?

Yes, my child plays for Bulleen

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Anonymous  
Last month

By the way both the senior and Youth League women had wins yesterday.

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Bear  
Last month

@CR, it's spam, to be ignored and should just be removed as it has no relevance to anything here.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The girls side of the program has been so successful for so long they lose over 50% of the 18/1s each year to college or the AIS.

Do I have the date wrong 1st April???? name the 5-6 girls that are at the AIS or college from last year!!!! I will give you 1 - Gemma Potter

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Anonymous  
Last month

My kids play at Bulleen. Must say great club to be a part of. We love it

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anonymous  
Last month

Who's the April fool?? Do your homework! No need to name players. They were a talented cohort. Two of last year's 18's are now at COE, and 3 are heading off to college soon - two of them are playing at nearby NBL1 teams. Another current U18 player was lured to an NBL1 team with Vic Metro connections and lack of scruples. But that's another story!

The karma bus has hit Bulleen hard - for years they have enjoyed an influx of talented juniors with starry-eyed parents hopeful of pursuing the WNBL dream. No WNBL = small talent pool. NB Dandenong, your time may come.

The club management failed to act on a disenfrancising senior coaching group who were kept around for 2 seasons too long - lack of money, lack of enjoyment, resulting in few players wishing to hang around. From what I can see at least the new current senior coaches are enthusiastic and prepared to give their locally raised players a go. And the club are trying to stop the rot and reconnect the pathway. I guess the mad/bad/sad will refute this, but the club is a good one, with a history of developing players over many years. Good luck to all involved!

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CR  
Last month

Anon #331 you sound pretty close to it ??? :-)

Don't agree with the WNBL comment ... in the last many years of WNBL at Bulleen only one or two juniors made it through to WNBL, and only at the fringe ... the junior program was just well run for a good period of time and attracted lots of external players.

Is interesting to note looking through Big V and NBL1 team lists now - many players, especially girls, who played juniors at Bulleen have gone back to other clubs, in many cases no doubt just back close to home.

The Club has also sort of become a victim of it's own success with players progessing to COE and college ... but not all bad, still a good list of qualifying teams to the upcoming Classic ... the challenge now is just to work out a couple of years of transition to ensure that a pool of juniors do stay on to become the core of a true Bulleen based Big V team ... time will tell.

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Anon  
Last month

It's great when mama and papa bear drive their children thru 25 suburbs and by 3-4 rep clubs to reach the Mecca. When Johnny or Jenny start driving they say screw that idea I’m playing local. Does that help OP.

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anonymous  
Last month

I think Anon #331 answered part of the question on what is going wrong

3 players from last year u18 girls that are going to college (leaving for college doesn't prevent them from playing at Bulleen right now) have left the club for NBL1 or other SCW opportunities.

The better players are not going to hang around and play in a team that is barely avoiding relegation or for a club that has to bring imports in mid season to avoid relegation.

Imagine if the club/coach had thought it might be a good idea to get 2 x quality imports from the first game??? Neither SCW or VYCW would be in the position they are currently in and may be looking to compete for a finals spot?

Downfall of mens programs started 3 or 4 years ago when they were relegated to Div1 and there was no immediate plan put in place to get back to CM.
4 coaches in as many years and less than 3 Bulleen players in the team will see them struggling for years to come.

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CR  
Last month

Anon #421 ...

Regardless of decisions at Bulleen ... many/most teams in SCW need two imports to be at the top of the division ... and some need two imports to even be competitive ...

This issue even more so now with the teams that left for NBL1.

Big V needs to decide why it exists ... to develop local talent or just be a competition where whoever can afford/find the best imports gets the prize.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Who cares about the prize, Big V provides great opportunity for many people to be involved in the sport they love and I don't just mean players & coaches....

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Anonymous  
Last month

Well said

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PersonalFoul  
Last month

Why does BIG V need to be a semi-pro pathway to greatness.

In Football Terms, why would someone play for West Heidelberg in the NFL - for potential AFL stardom or because they like playing for the area they grew up, the junior club they played for, or with friends of similar age and ability, to have a fit and competitive lifestyle.

BIG V can also be for association and club pride not prizes and stardom

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Anonymous  
Last month

@Personal Foul at first read I agree with you. The trouble is a Big V team costs associations about $15k per team before you think about paying players.

This is due to a few factors, lack of sponsorship, court hire, lack of volunteers, costs of the scorebench and stats. Unfortunately basketball pays for everything whilst social football gets priority with council.

So if you want to play social basketball, best of doing it on a Sunday night at Sheehans Road.

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PersonalFoul  
Last month

@Anon

I agree Big V is expensive for clubs, where could it save costs.
No stats in YL1/2 perhaps? Trying to think how to keep the costs down.

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