Tom
Earlier this year

Hume City and MtGambier to be added to NBL1

Both these two clubs are set to enter NBL1 next season. I believe there will an be announcement in coming weeks

Plus apparently a North conference

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

bringing back the ABA

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Source???

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

What does a north conference even mean?

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PersonalFoul  
Earlier this year

Great Move.

No team in that region of Victoria, best club in a position to move up. Money, stadium and were previous ABA

Great to have Mt Gambier back in, hopefully they come back with a chip on the shoulder and tool up to smash everyone!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

NBL1 North conference will be QBL teams and ateam from Darwin

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Looking like..

Nbl1 qld/nt (North)
Nbl1 nsw/act (Central)
Nbl1 vic/tas (South East)
Nbl1 sa (South)
Nbl1 wa (South West)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

This looks like it's the ABA by a different name. Not a bad thing, but also not revolutionary.

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Tom  
Earlier this year

That would be awesome if it happens

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I loved the old ABA

Shame it stopped

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Streaming of every game is awesome. Would be good to see the nbl1 national tournament at the end.
Maybe top 2 teams from sa, wa and the top four from the other 3 conferences. 16 team final series.

Would also like a COE for every conference. 12 best boys and girls u20y.o from there state. The current 11-12 players total is just not enough anymore and sitting on the bench for local associationsmdoesnt help them develop quicker.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yeah a sweet 16 tournament would be great!

Surely that would get national TV coverage. Could be like a carnival of basketball over a week or two weekends.

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PersonalFoul  
Earlier this year

Nothing new with the ABA

But Streaming wasn't a strong suit of the ABA back then or available.
Better use this season of media, panel show 'overtime' has been good to give players, clubs and sponsors exposure.

Clubs are also more savvy with this sort of thing now, engaging sponsors and the like to create a more professional image.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Huh?

How will this set up be significantly different to the current structure?

Just BV's excuse to tell all the other states to piss off and leave them alone?

How will you fit in an end of season playoff series? NBL contracted players, imports, etc, will have jumped ship to their next gig. Who will foot the bill? It will be dominated by Vic teams and everyone else will very quickly lose interest.

Unless someone is going to spend a lot of money it will be no improvement at all.

BA/BV and their controller, LK, could chose to come clean and lay out the grand plan?

Or isn't there one?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

is it Hume City or is it a collection of several close associations?
3 or 4 associations putting in $$$.... imagine the politics on who controls what !!!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So many people have great ideas. End of season tournament or over 2 weekends!!!
Umm who could bank roll that dream? No one. As already pointed out Nbl players will be doing pre season. Thats why the Nzbl is so threaening. 3 month season. Plus as shit load more money.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

You don't think it's feasible to make the state leagues (conferences) one week shorter, and play an elimination tournament over a 3 day weekend or something like that?

Gee a lot of you must be dull

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yeah with a half arsed team. Good one. The proposal is sound however the season's are even closer now than ever.
The reason afaik that the ABA Nation nb a lscstopped was simply cost. I think it was 2002?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Welcome to the club Greggo.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

Why would the team be half arsed? It's the same season length and you include it as part of the contract #eyeroll

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Because the few NBL (players) that are left playing NBL1 are needed for their own teams NBL pre season.
Let's have a 1 week shorter competition? You do realise the implications of that don't you?

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

What would that be bud?

Playing one less round? Consolidating a finals round to elimination? Playing on a long weekend? One more double header for each team? Restructuring conferences into sub-divisions? Starting a week earlier and having no preseason comp?

Should i go on with easy solutions? Or should we all pack it in?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The idea of conference Champions playing off sounded great in theory back in the ABA days. Unfortunately I have first hand experience of the fact that the SA teams regularly got belted! Great eye opener for us though.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It stopped because it was a waste of time the SEABL teams would have continued to dominate. Whoever won Seabl would win aba. The other clubs were like why bother spending money on this. It will be the same now accept the best team year in year will be NBL1. I don't get the infatuation with a national tournament at the end of the year. There simply should be a push for one strong off season competition to help develop Australian talent. The talent at present in nbl1 is too diluted. I think there should be 10-12 teams only. These teams should have to prove capacity to have reasonable budgets. There should be a minimum spend cap. The league could be very strong if those aussies playing in nznbl could be attracted back to the Australian off season league. I stress clubs with money should be in this league only, it is elite, not everyone gets a go. If mt gambier were going to nznbl they have coin, they are exactly a club we would want in a second tier comp. the focus shouldn’t be on which state or is the club good in juniors or producing juniors or whatever but do they have coin and can they put a good product on the floor. With less and less spots on nbl rosters for aussies there needs to be a high quality under league for these elite aussies who are trying to crack nbl rosters.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

Goal posts of negativity continue to move

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

so everybody is simply meant to agree with you greggo?

what would be the point of the "aba" tournament? Is simply so that the NBL1 teams could gloat how could they are when they flog everyone year after year?

I dont get why the clubs in other states would want to participate. although you might be able to shorten each season to accomodate it, there is still a significant costs to teams budgets for travel and accomodation for those teams in the league. many teams in other states just dont have the budget to meet such expense. if you dont believe me look at the SA teams who supposedly cant afford one trip to mount gambier per year.

you suggest a tournament over 3 days, where would this be held? presumamble not in WA. how much would in cost for their teams to compete? you must be dull if you think the simple answer is just reduce the season by a week.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It's simple. Costs. Forget all the fantasy and theory it simply comes down to money. Other than the Rockhampton side it's always been seabl.
I too remember to 2000? ABA grand finals. Cairns were belted by everyone and the SA side was almost an NBL side, (can't rember who) plus the Bogut AIS side was there. That was a great game.
No ABA final in 2001 (Ansett crash) and last one was 2002.
MOve on. Goal posts are still in the same spot mate.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

What would be the point of the "aba" tournament?

What's the point of state leagues?

It's about participation, pathways, creating an elite level to strive for, development etc. There is a lot of time and money being put into the NBL now to make it a different product and it is succeeding in leaps and bounds. NBL1 and the branding of this is a part of this, and as above, a lot of time and money is going into this to lift the sport of basketball as a whole.

Comparing it to the ABA in the 2000's is totally redundant. The climate and environment is TOTALLY different.

And if you're talking about everyone agreeing with me, than yes. I have been involved in NBL1 (and Big V) clubs in Melbourne, a QBL team and number Waratah league teams in a number of ways this year. I have some inside knowledge of what's going on. This "tournament" will happen in some way, if not next year, very soon. It is a goal and an aim of the NBL crew, and you can keep putting up weak arguments that it wont work (what's the point, teams can't afford one weekend away, ABA didn't work 20 years ago, it wont be competitive). But simply put, you are wrong. This has critical momentum, as does basketball in Aus and it will happen.

So move the goal posts again.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Don't forget when the SA teams were getting 'belted' they were only allowed one import. So coming up against teams from other states with 2 imports put them at a great disadvantage. That has now been rectified.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

Yeah but what will they do about the catering? Will the canteen serve hot food? This will never work. :(

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Don't forget they had lots of nbl players in there. I think it was Sturt back then?

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Newy  
Earlier this year

So much negativity.

The basketball landscape has changed big time since the ABA wound up almost 20 years ago.

For instance it is substantially cheaper to fly than it was back then.

Also there are so many options on how an end of season tournament could work. Look at soccers FFA cup. There are state league sides traveling to play in that.

The negative flogs are the reason basketball hasn't grown like other sports.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

It's negativity for the sake of negativity...

Their arguments are so weak and forced it's absurd

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Team Mate  
Earlier this year

Spot on anonymous, we need a really good 2nd tier comp.

Has to be based around Vic, for obvious reasons.

And consisting of teams who have the resources to be there. Not with arbitrary exclusions.

And hopefully LK and his associated butt lickers would get behind it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

greggo i guess what i am saying in another way is that lets not have a weekend tournament but rather a whole season.

the old seabl was clearly the best league outside of the nbl. now that has gone it's clearly the nbl1 league. we don't need a three day tournament at a high cost to clubs who cant afford it to tell us that.

i agree with you we need "..pathways, creating an elite level to strive for, development etc" perhaps you might care to explain how a weekend tournament provides this.

what does provide for it is an elite level 2nd tier competition that runs in the off season of the nbl. this provides a pathway for the elite from all over the country to go and play in for a genuine season. it provides an elite level to strive for, it provides for development. Do you suggest otherwise?

we basically have it now with the nbl1 league. in my view this simply needs some adjusting to make it more 'elite'. we need our upcoming aussies and those who are on the bench in nbl teams a place to play strong competitive basketball in the off season where they can get serious minutes which will lead to improvement in the individual players which in turn improves the nbl.

this in my view can be achieved by reducing the number of teams in the nbl1 to 10-12 teams. that alone will make for a higher standard competition. it should only include teams who have financial capacity to pay to a certain minimum salary cap. it clearly needs to be victorian based but that doesnt mean there shouldnt be a team from tasmania, sa, nsw or act,just most will be from vic.

i mentioned mt gambier because they seemingly (NZ bid) have money. Dont we want to be attracting people/clubs with money to basketball rather than turn them away? adding a travel component of competing to a league tincreases professionalism and develops players in readying for the next league in becoming use to regular travel and playing real road games.

in an ideal world it would be awesome to think that each state could have an elite level competition which are all similar in standard. if that could occur then a end of season tournament would be great. unfortunately that simply will never happen. achieving the same is significantly dictated to by population and money. it has been proven of years and years at all levels that the other states can not compete with the vic leagues and players. therefore what is needed is an elite level competition such as a condensed nbl1 with teams with money that the elite players from all states will gravitate.

you say the arguments against an 'aba' tournament are weak, i still cant see where you have put forward your strong argument for it other than saying you have inside info and it will happen that isnt an argument that it should.






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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I see why you don't post often Newy.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Problems on the island of Sodor.

First, some of the trains got together and decided not to let the little green train called Lumberjack play with them.

Then, little Lumberjack found friends to play with on the long island not far away.

But when the Fat Controller found out he was very angry and scared that people would have more fun on the other island.

So he said, NO! And Lumberjack had no one to play with.

Cause the Fat Controller is the boss of Sodor.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think quantity is better than quality for nbl1.
The high/mid level players will play in the nz nbl and all the bench dwellers and prospects will play in nbl1.
Enormous amount of kids drop out after u18s or u21s so the current league (with a lot of teams and soon to be more) makes it easier to identifying kids to make the next step because all associations will pretty much end up with an nbl1 team and they can draw kids from there own junior programs. Before, other clubs had to scout prospects from other associations and some are not willing to travel an hr from Geelong to Knox a few times a week to play.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

We are already seeing people go back to there old junior clubs and a lot of youth making a step up. It's great, I don’t see big v lasting much longer.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Good for local Vic players.

Good for basketball in Australia?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I thought the idea was to stop those aussies playing in the nznbl and have them play in the nbl1 so that it is the best winter league. It won't be unless those players can be attracted back and stop those contemplating the move. There needs to be changes as I suggest above for that to occur. While money has some role to play if the competition was of a higher standard and money similar most would stay.
If I was nz I would alter their rules to allow more aussie players to get a gig.

Clear Larry trying to stop the league competing against his nbl1 by. It allowing aussie teams to play in the league. That should be nz next step.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Werribee just beat hume at hume. Better venue, better club, better team.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Better team? Hume will be playing finals while werribee have no chance of playing finals.

Good win for them but they lost twice to Hume this year already.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yeah true. Good win, they seem to be playing well now but too late and cant make finals. Just think they'd be a better addition to NBL1.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Any update on this?

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Anonymous  
Last month

MtG are in. Hume nope.

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