Dext
Two weeks ago

Hawthorn Magic looking to enter NBL1

Just heard that Hawthorn have made the decision to apply for NBL1.

They have hosted an NBL1 game this season and have some big recruits lined up for both team especially the women.

Exciting times ahead for the Magic.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Good club.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Terrible organisation tho - domestic comp is atrocious

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

for some reason their u/12s and u/14s are generally great but then it drops off for 16s and 18s.

are there to many other clubs close by?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

While there is exceptions, a lot of the kids who are very good in 12s and 14s don't grow as much, so by the time they're in 16s and 18s they lose out to the taller and longer athletes coming through, who previously weren't as good in comparison as their bodies held them back coordination wise, just how puberty works.

Some clubs, like Hawthorn have such intense development programs at an early age that they have a lot of very good kids at 12s and 14s, and there is nothing wrong with that. But it bites at the top end of 16s and 18s when they aren't as gifted athletically anymore. This is just historically, most clubs have started a balancing act in the last few years or so.

There is also a issue of differing priorities due to the socio-economic area. Hawthorn being in a well off area, a lot of the kids are private schooled and have a lot more academic pressure as a general rule, combined with the fact they have school sport at 8am coming off a 9.40pm game the night before before, something has to give. And school and school sport is one that can't give.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Hawthorn have a women's team in D1W of Big V. Very unlikely they get a look at NBL1 when clubs with both teams in Champ will be applying.

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Reality  
Two weeks ago

What venue they playing out of?

Can't think another clubs in the SE Suburbs cluster would be beneficial to the league.

Surely the league would prefer to work with a club from the North West

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Blerg  
Two weeks ago

Would make more sense to add Keilor and/or Werribee than Hawthorn

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Werribee? They have one of the best coaches in the league and still cant get a team together. Just coz geographically it looks nice doesnt mean the basketball is any good.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Casey and southern penn?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

@Reality, they'd be playing out of the Boroondara Sports Complex. Closest teams would be Nunawading and Waverely some twenty minutes away on a good day so not really super close.

To the point of adding a team from the West, go ahead if the results demand it but currently Keilor and definitely Werribee aren't making a case that's better than Hawthorn other than the 'not another team in the east/southeast' argument.

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Team Mate  
Two weeks ago

Is there a total number of teams being looked at?

What would be the optimum number?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Casey aren't interested in going up next year

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Casey are very interested in going up next year!

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PersonalFoul  
Two weeks ago

Nice venue they use

Would be able to find the funds, this is a junior club with some very high profile coaches on-board and in the ranks.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Hawthorn is NOT going into the NBL1.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Hawthorn: D1W program. Okay SCM program. Poor Jr program.

Keilor: SCM. SCM. Both doing well. Equal or better than Hawthorn. Quality Jr program with VC representation across the board and consistent state reps. One of the best venues in Melbourne.

Werribee: SCM. SCM. Both doing okay. Equal or better than Hawthorn. Reasonable Jr program, but better than hawthorn. One of the best venues in Melbourne in a huge catchment area.

Casey: SCM. SCM. Both doing okay. Equal or better than Hawthorn. Reasonable Jr program, but better than hawthorn. One of the best venues in Melbourne in a huge catchment area.

Hawthorn aren't even close to the other three, and there's no way they'd have a case of the other were also looking to join NBL1.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Hawthorn: D1W program. Okay SCM program. Poor Jr program.

Keilor: SCM. SCM. Both doing well. Equal or better than Hawthorn. Quality Jr program with VC representation across the board and consistent state reps. One of the best venues in Melbourne.

Werribee: SCM. SCM. Both doing okay. Equal or better than Hawthorn. Reasonable Jr program, but better than hawthorn. One of the best venues in Melbourne in a huge catchment area.

Casey: SCM. SCM. Both doing okay. Equal or better than Hawthorn. Reasonable Jr program, but better than hawthorn. One of the best venues in Melbourne in a huge catchment area.

Hawthorn aren't even close to the other three, and there's no way they'd have a case of the other were also looking to join NBL1.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Whispers from inside Casey is that they don't feel they are ready to go up to NBL1. Reliable source from within has told me that.

But are they still selling it to recruit players? I guess so.

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T  
Two weeks ago

Casey 100% not going to NBL1

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T  
Two weeks ago

Hawthorn will make the move before Casey does, and I don't think they will be doing it next year either.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Casey 100% are ready and willing to move to NBl1. They have already started to prepare for the move if granted.

Casey has money to offer to players for both a women's and men’s team that hawthorn does not have.

Casey off court is light years better than hawthorn.

Casey are a solid chance for the move to Nbl1 season next year.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Casey 100% are ready and willing to move to NBl1. They have already started to prepare for the move if granted.

Casey has money to offer to players for both a women's and men’s team that hawthorn does not have.

Casey off court is light years better than hawthorn.

Casey are a solid chance for the move to Nbl1 season next year.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

0 chance of Casey playing NBL 1 next year and I am going to repost this once the fixture comes out and Casey are still playing Big V

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Lol  
Two weeks ago

Hawthorn has loads more money than Casey

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

And a major benefactor

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

You guys have no idea.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Some of Casey's members have said off the record they don’t think the club is ready for NBL1

If the whole board can’t agree well then I reckon that’s cause for alarm bells

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

you're kidding if you think keilor and werribee are better than hawthorn, you obviously haven't been to any games this year

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Hawthorn are a great club.

Classic case of tall poppy syndrome.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

id say not next season but nbl1 season 3 or 4 would be better for the magic.

Junior program isbottom heavy (12s,14s,16s), will take a few years for them to have a nice lead in to nbl1 to top up senior rosters.

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PersonalFoul  
Last week

This idea that NBL1 goes to clubs with great junior players??? is laughable. Ringwood.

You don't need good juniors, just a strong board, committed area/region. You don't develop a point guard - you just go and buy one!

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Anonymous  
Last week

That's the problem with NBL1 PersonlFoul. Associations/Clubs don't have the money. Any money comes form junior domestic competitions. Clubs who pump money into this thing are robbing Peter to pay Paul. 2020 budgets being bandied around of close to $1m. NBL1 is a second tier league that is trying to be semi professional. Sound familiar to the later years of 'SEABL'? When clubs go buying players and think they are in the big league the whole thing crumbles, because there is no money. Small budgets. Minimal sponsorship and exposure. Originally the 'Elite League' that was proposed by BV as the replacement for SEABL was sold to Associations as a grassroots competition with a clear pathway for their local juniors. They were going to prevent large player payments and an influx of imports. Enter LK. We now have NBL1 trying to be semi professional league with no caps and no pathways in an unsustainable environment. There will be clubs coming out of the league at the end of this season. They cannot afford it. NBL1 only issued 1 year licenses. They will go back to BigV. Watch what happens when parents of junior basketballers in these Associations realise that their hard earned is going to imports and ring ins with no pathway for their kids. It's SEABL all over again, a great competition that lost its way under the commission in the later years it was doomed to failure because they wanted Associations to fund a semi professional league that was unfunded. Is disappointing. Is it a coincidence that 2 of the commissioners of SEABL who had their dreams ruined, who were thrown out of their home club by the members for over spending on imports and ring ins to chase a championship are now at Hawthorn and are now pushing to get into NBL1? No surprise there. don't misunderstand NBL1 is great and will survive if they are realistic about what its trying to do. If you want the Associations to pay then ensure a pathway for the local kids, cap payments and restrict the number of imports. you want a point guard, develop one.

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Anonymous  
Last week

If you are going to keep nbl1 as a local competition primarily to provide lots of opportunities for local juniors then you doom winter basketball in Aus.

If this is the future then, for god's sake, let a team like Mt Gambier go and play in a clearly superior NZNBL.

Is this the Fat Controller's vision for winter basketball, multiple mediocre conferences spread around the country? Never mind the quality, as long as I'm in control?

BA demonstrating all the vision of a bat and no courage or leadership. BV completely up itself and only interested in looking after itself. The fat controller just wanting to be the boss of everything.

Where's the vision for growing winter basketball, in all of Aus, not just in Vic?

Where's the plan?

Where do talented younger players, fringe NBL players and those with NBL aspirations play winter basketball in Aus? More and going to NZNBL?

Way too much self interest coming from the folks with the power.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Who are they people that have left SEABL and are now at Hawthorn?

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