Crawford is based in perth trip to rockingham unsustainable" spare me " please. he will coach again.
senators were a rabble on Friday night - they had no offensive structure at all , all 1-1 rat ball , roscoes shot selection was shocking. well done rocko bring on 2020.
Two months ago
Ettridge became so creative in explaining away his grand final losses that in the end, he was just discovering more ways to lose. Classic case of paralysis by analysis.
Replacing him is the equivalent to the Heimlich manoeuvre- clear the obstruction in the airway so normal breathing can begin again. Amen
Player of the Year: Colter Lasher
Most Improved Player of the Year: Isaac Gattorna
Domestic Player of the Year: Earnest Ross .
Defensive Player of the Year: Ben Purser
Coach of the Year: Dave Daniels
G: Javion Blake
G/F: Joshua Braun
G: Earnest Ross
F: Colter Lasher
C: Jarrad Prue
my information is that the goldfields giants players had no respect for wayne creeks coaching ABILITY .therefore this team was lucky to get were they did because of how smart there leadership group was . bowie,holloway,humphries etc.
the giants board have decided to stick with the coach and not listen to the players and are know going to loose quality players and people.
sometimes you need to listen to the players- look at the rockingham women.
No pot stirring - this has come from Lukosius himself through multiple people in the metro area. Old mate who says you're one of the players, the ship is sinking hurry up and abandon it with your comrades while you can or be stuck with more mediocrity than a Wolves Men's team in the Grand Final
the magic men are a basket case team going nowhere ever. their best season is still their inaugural season in 1990 - that is abysmal. the women's team on the other hand are perennial grand final chokers
sure the club gets fans to games - there is not a saturated market in mandurah
Two months ago
Okay Moose, I'll bite.
I have avoided this forum in recent times as unfortunately it has become a cesspool of misinformation, ghost whispers, undeserved and misguided criticism, and sadly pure loathing and hate. But when my name is mentioned and linked with some of that misinformation and ghost whispers, then you have crossed the line.
Moose, you obviously know who I am (it's no secret to most people in SBL circles), and I have absolutely no problem with putting my name to my posts (unlike yourself). So please call me - I'm pretty sure you have my number - and I will debate with you the misinformation and untruths being thrown around here, and update you with what the ACTUAL situation is with our playing group and coaching staff. You will probably be very surprised as it will be completely different to what you think.
If you feel you want to continue debating this on this message thread, you will be wasting your time as I won't be responding.
Tribute to Benny Dover - Rating the Chokes
No.4 - 2017
If I can give Ettridge a tiny tiny break, is that this was more a 50/50 game I didn't think they were the strong favourites in this game.
Bet365 thought otherwise, and they weren’t just beat they were absolutely embarrassed in what was one of the biggest lopsided GF games in SBL history.
The game was effectively over by quarter time. Not even a sniff.
With Ben refusing to make any changes or adjustments he sat back and watching his team sink without a yelp. Pathetic.
No.3 - 2019
The running stoush with Buccs Skipper Moot, only adds to this story.
Ben attacked the Buccs organisation during a regular season game in 2018, only to poach the very same player he was condemning in the offseason.
#builtnotbrought was turned on its head as Benny did everything he could to buy his way out of a 4 peat.
To blatantly bag out a team, only then to do the exact same thing means Ben actually fielded 1 wolves player in his top 7 players.
So as Minor Premiers shaping up to a Bucc’s team on the road, recently sending home an import, and getting destroyed by one of the players he bagged (MVP – Hunt) and let down by the one he poached (Ross) was an all-time classic.
No.2 – 2016
Losing the final regular season game and conceding the minor premiership, Benny then felt compelled to tell anyone and everyone that would listen that "we will see what happens in the Grand Final".
When word broke that when Cougars lost captain and best player Gav Field, Benny boy’s talking and confidence grew louder and louder as he was eyeing back to back championship’s, the shirts and hats were ordered.
What transpired was anything but, again a contest over early with Benny refusing to shake hands and smash his white board in full view of the crowd.
No.1 – 2018
Hawks losing stud import Holmen in the Semi-finals, left the Hawkies right for the picking, Wolves starting as the unbackable favourites, the result seemed a foregone conclusion, all the Wolves had to do was turn up.
However after losing 2 in a row, external pressure was building on the Wolfpack, but no one had any idea the mental demons Ben was facing inside, his kool aid he was drinking was going sour.
With Ben clearly struggling they went on to lose the unloseable of games, and the greatest upset in SBL history was set.
Losing to a Domestic team of Perry Lakes juniors the unthinkable happened and handed Benny boy his 3 peat.
Wolves should have won this game by 20pts with one hand behind tied behind their backs.
I am a massive Wolves fan. My observation for the past 2 Grand Final games have been both the Hawks and the Buccs took their intensity up another notch. The Wolves just seemed to be in cruise mode and not play with the same sort of passion as the eventual victors.
is there a better PG in the league than Mansfield?
Was she not eligible for selection in the all star 5?
Ive watched Michael Jordan play once in person, I've watched Kyle Armour play 50 times in person, I would select Jordan as the better player
Re giants. Will be interesting to see the fall out.
I have it on good authority a massive chunk of those players or the main nucleus are in serious doubt of returning if not gone already for various reasons. Anything else said on here which states otherwise is just lip service.
Haha love this bit - 'call me' so I can update you on the actual state of affairs as they would be ‘completely different to what you think’
It’s actually worse than what most would think.
So the Giants win 14 games and move from the bottom of the ladder in 2018 and it's a disaster.
Moose says it's from Lukosius, Lukosius say it's different to what's allegedly been said and Anon keeps telling stories.
It's got to be coming from somewhere.
Two months ago
I bet the ex-Willeton WABL players that defected to Cockburn, and may be trialing for selection to the 2020 U18M Metro State Team, are happy the State Coach is now their new Club's MSBL Head Coach...it's funny how things like that happen sometimes
Wow we're clutching at straws there a bit aren't we. Clearly some jaded willo person based on the remark. Let it go, they left its done, move on people far out. Previous post saying Thwaites appointed himself women's coach clearly doesn't look on their social media page much given they were only asking for further EOI for that position this morning. Perhaps if you're going to make up BS you should at least make it a bit harder to fact check.
The Thwaites thing may not be done yet and shouldn't of been written like that but I think it is fair enough to speculate on it.
They open the positions in August with him running the process for both men and women ending in Coops being appointed men's coach.
They now re-open the women with the expressions to go to the President. It definitely creates a process and pathway for him to apply for it.
So 2020 Coaches:
M: Andrew Cooper
M: Driscoll? Wildcats Assistants??
M: Dayle Joseph
M: Wayne Creek
W: Tom Knowles
M: Mark Utley
M: Dave Daniels
W: Craig Watts
M: Aaron Trahair
W: Deanna Smith
M: Matt Parsons
W: Craig Allen
M: Craig Jackson
W: Keegan Crawford
M: Ryan Petrik
W: Nathan Grover
W: Charles Nix
W: Dion D'Agostino
M: Mike Ellis
W: Simon Parker?
M: Stephen Black
Will be interesting to see where Nener ends up now that he is out at Cockburn. he did well with what he had to work with.
Coops will do well there and will be interesting to see if any rocko boys follow him there. Travers?
Rumours swirling that Ettridge could be linked with another SBL club for 2020 season
Will be interesting to see how Tigers go with their recruiting in the offseason. Barrow didnt exactly set the world on fire for them and their second import situation didnt work out for them. Will they go with the model of trying to attract imports from other clubs or try to recruit out of the US?
CJ Jackson in at the Redbacks will be interesting. You can imagine he will be able to recruit a few guys there. Does he look at Redhage and Roberts returning?
Who do lakeside get to replace Kyle?
Do they back isenbarger in for another season and retain Wall?
Wolves. do salinas and illiadis go around again? Does Ross return? Davis?
From who i have heard Cockburn interviewed for the Womens SBL job I am amazed they have re advertised
some pretty qualified and experienced coaches were in the mix
you can only imagine this next process is just a formality and they have their person in mind!
I don't really know what tyron thwaites has done coaching wise ?
can some-one who knows what he has does please highlight his creds.
I also see he is coaching the u-18 country womens side? there would have been some serious contenders for that role
I do think the changing the Finals format would bring a fresh look to things....
Wolves v Flames
Lakeside v Gero
Hawks v Suns
Stirling v Giants
Flames v Stirling
Lakeside v Hawks
Wolves v Lakeside
Gero v Flames
Wolves v Gero
Similar results but I just did a different path for the fun of it.
Big Booty Ho
Two months ago
And he won a medal at 12s Schoolboys with the same group. Outside of that he has done very, very little in terms of results but talks a mean game as well as benefited greatly from being a favourite of the former high performance regime where if you kissed enough ass it did not matter your results
Why all the hate for Tyrone.
What am I missing?
He doing great things down at Cockburn, passionate, pro-active, junior development, WABL, domestic, everything is on the up since he become GM.
SBL is not but lets be honest SBL not a high priority, they actually had SBL program in the black for first time in a long long time.
He gets off his bum and gets things done, or at least tries to make a difference.
Should be a lot more people out there like him.
Two months ago
Mass exodus! Wolves clearing their bench. Britt, Ettridge, Trigger, Mrs Ironmonger as manager, their long term physio too I'm told.
Do the same thing, get the same result, we've seen that the last four years (LOL). Change can be a good thing, but then again, people generally hate change. It will be interesting to see how the players cope...
Look at the League expanding to 16 teams in either 2020 or 2021 with both the Wildcats and Albany lodging formal applications to the League for SBL Licenses within the past two months.
The Wildcats have been steadily working behind the scenes to have their own development team in the League within the next two years (Similar to what West Coast has done in the WAFL). How will clubs feel with the likes of Lo Buluk, Travers etc suiting up for the Cats each week rather than the clubs who have spent years investing in their development?!
Albany have been attempting to get the Raiders back afloat for many a year but now with some huge sponsorship behind them and a new state of the art facility at their disposal (A far cry from the cracked backboard and garbage bag lined nets for change-rooms they use to dish up at the old Sports Centre just up the road), it seems that a new road-trip will be back in the League very soon.
It will be very interesting to see if the League gets longer in terms of season length or if they just add a couple more double headers of the current time format. Could also be a great opportunity to look at two conferences of nine teams in each and have less games but more emphasis on quality of product also. Only time will tell I guess
Albany makes sense - and it would be great to see the Raiders back in the League if they have the budget to be sustainable for many years to come. You could imagine the Buccs or Giants playing in Albany on a Saturday night, before playing South West on a Sunday arvo - What a road trip that would be!!
There are some many questions in relation to the Wildcats proposal: Where would they play out of? What sort of crowd would they generate? Why would clubs agree to develop kids through wabl only to lose them at SBL level for the cats to poach on false promises of an NBL contract; If the Cats was a genuine option, then there would need to be a serious talk about monetary compensation toward any club who's kids play for them, otherwise it really is not worth it whatsoever from a current club perspective.
Wildcats proposal was overwhelmingly knocked back by the clubs when put to them by BWA, for many of the reasons outlined above. I have it on good authority that their backup plan was to make East Perth basically Wildcats 2.0. Brennan and Chance have already been linked to them coaching wise, and you will find with the proposal not being approved, they will now link in closely with the Eagles and expect alot of their development players and even some of their vets to lineup for the Eagles over the next few years with the heavy NBL influence.
Big Booty Ho
Two months ago
Surely you're not suggesting Cockburn has set this entire process up to plagiarize the best ideas from the 'pretty qualified & experienced' coaches who interviewed/presented for this role, just to benefit TT?
Wait for it........
So when he underachieves at wsbl level like he has with all but one of his state teams he has had in the past, does that then make him staying on as CEO unsustainable also? Alot of pressure to succeed if it's more than just a coaching job on the line that's all
all good Cockburn wanted Tyrone to coach, odd that they go from a players girlfriend to the GM of the club, very incestuous but its the clubs choice IMO What is puzzling is that they got Tyrone to run the interviews, why a club allows someone who wants the job to run interviews is mind boggling and disrespectful to the applicants
New finals procedure to make it seem like we are following suit is crap. It basically means shock losses do not count for anything anymore, because that team will still get a second chance. It was the whole win or go home that was exciting about the SBL finals.
Then, to top it off they still have a one game grand final, like a bunch of morons. They make it out like teams aren't competing throughout the year, so it makes the regular season that more competitive. NO!!! teams always compete to get 1st seed for home court advantage.
how do you get a second chance in the old format? it was a best of three series, whoever won the series you went through. No Second chances, you had to prove you were the better team than the one you were competing against. Not lose and then end up playing another team from the other side.
Exactly if you lose one game of a best of three, you arent out but punished, then it means that team then has two win one more to prove they are the better team. In this new format a team can get lucky once against a team who may just have their number when it comes to match ups but then loses the next game to a team that has their number.
They might never play each other again.
So lets say for all questionable purposes:
Wolves match up really well against Hawks but poorly against Buccs.
Buccs don't match up well against Flames.
Buccs play Wolves first round and beat them.
Gero gets a break.
The next round they face Rockingham and lose one game and are out of the playoffs.
Joondalup lose first round, get a second chance against Perry lakes and they beat perry lakes. They then don't face that same team they lost to in the first round, they play a different team and make the finals. why should Joondalup make the finals if they were not suited to beat Geraldton in a best of three, or have the ability to make changes.
It gives no teams a chance to strategise and make changes within in a series. That is the part that shows good teams and good coaches. Not going on a great run against teams u may match up well against on one day. You had to prove over the course of three games, you were the better side and earn that next round to the max.
It's done move on..
You want to win a champions play winning basketball. Why reward the opportunity to lose a game ?
Higher seed gets home court and a first round second chance. That’s more than enough incentive to not lose and if they do then tough
Mr. Big Checks
Two months ago
Fewer dollars for players hopefully those that get paid per game get playoff bonus instead of game checks because you will be missing out on some cash. Players make sure you get your value because this changes things for sure on that front.
Cougars making a huge splash signing Luke Travers.
Pairing him with Gav on the wings is going to cause teams some match up issues. Not saying they're finals contenders but, if they can get a decent import big they will be big improvers next season!
wolves will need to do some recruiting and quickly.
Ettridge now with Eagles and word is that a couple of wolves key guys will follow him there. huntington and illiadis potentially in that mix
salinas another year older
no emerging juniors that look like they would be ready to fill shoes of some of the vet guys.
perhaps we might see some Big V guys coming across ?
Surely the Wolves will get a high quality player from East along with x2 top tier imports. Andrew would have some solid connections in the States.
Add in locals/returning players with a few solid contributors from EAST or other clubs then you have a top 4 team easy!
Smart move for Etto.
Go to club with the lowest expectations.
Take the pressure of himself, no doubt he would be feeling the heat after 4 fails in a row.
He knows with an injection of funds and better recruiting they can easily push the eagles up the ladder.
End of the day your health is the most important thing.
He can have a relaxed and free hit in 2020.
Yeah i know, but these days days....
The guy is a douche bag no doubt there, but still 4 losses in a row had to be affecting him..
Not sure that's been done any where else in the world at any level (semi-pro).
Anyone smart moe going to East Perth...
Only way is up, with no pressure.
Etto won't be in the league in 5 years.
It may be painfully slow, but this game does eventually self regulate itself
Lacko out, Etto next - and not a tear shed by anyone for either
Let's focus on those coaches who are people focused, and not the dumpster fire guys
couldn't find a wabl thread. anyone have any insight as to the demise of raw hoops basketball program? run by Roosevelt Williams out of willetton stadium primarily. seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth. thought he was a smooth operator.
Daniel Johnson to play for willetton again at some point over the next few years
"As for his future, Johnson sees no possibility in him playing for any other NBL club than the 36ers the rest of his career and while Adelaide is always likely going to be home for him, a stint back at his original club Willetton is a possibility.
The lure of playing in the brand new Willetton Basketball Stadium is something that is something that he wants to experience at some point, he's just not sure when."
then there is the " creek factor " but I cant say that because I become a hater. players enjoy playing for coaches who inspire them motivate them and teach them - creek has none of that. this many quality players don't leave all at once unless there is a determining " ----- factor "
Just goes to show how uneducated you tools are
IF you have a look at imports around the league not often you get guys coming back year after year. You do get the odd exception but not often. So to say Bourke and Bowie are leaving because they don't like it here is a flat out lie. Anyone who knows even the smallest part of the way it runs the imports are generally last signed due to what aussie contingent there is. BH has an amazing opportunity in SA within basketball, something he couldn't get here so he has moved. Humphries was never a long term, infact he came last year to honor a contract he signed the year before due to injury.
As for the Creek Factor, you have an opinion, clearly your a hater, I know Wayne ok and I do not have an issue with him at all or the way he coaches.
There are some quality signings coming up from what I hear, so stay tuned. Unless you just like hating cause you have a pathetic insignificant life.
Be Safe All.
It seems that each week the haters change their focus to a different individual or team. Last week it was Etto, previous to that it was Ty and the Cougars, before that it was Lako. Now it's the Giants.
Interested to know who is next on the firing line. Buccs maybe?
Defending champs possibly losing 4 or 5 of their best players?
etto, lako and ty pretty much bring it on themselves by how they operate and go about things. Creek is a different situation. Couldnt meet a more humble genuine guy.
Lets be honest, before he took over the team they were horrible. actually they were absolutely horrible.
he made them legit again. they made the playoffs his first season back in the role. something the 7-8 coaches before him were not able to do.
I hate Anon
No soft spot ir just wrong
Bowie - no one wanted got for about half price from willow
BOURKE first pro gig. Cheap as an import
Holloway returned as has gf in kal. Paid nothing
Malynok hot a job in kal. Paid minimal.
Humphries repaying loyalty for a missed season.
Combined all would be paid about the wage of 2 imports. So ur just plain wrong.
Big news out of Kalgoorlie-Boulder this evening, Goldfields Giants captain and backup point guard Daniel Forlano has announced he will be leaving the club in pursuit of a professional Australian rules football career.
Considered a local legend, Daniel has been a mainstay of the Giants roster.
"It was a tough decision in all honesty. But at the end of the day, two fiddy is two fiddy, and to get that every week to kick a ball around isn't bloody bad" Forlano said.
Although he is content with his decision, Forlano hasn’t ruled out a return to the Goldfields.
“The goldfields is a wonderful place to live. It has it all, subway, nandos, and the world famous Goldbar. What more could you ask for?”
Couldn’t have said it better myself Daniel, good luck champ.
Why the hate on Durnin. The kid can play and has markedly improved the last couple of seasons. Given the loss of Travers it is a very good pickup for them.
Very good call on the GM front at cougar land. Which leads me to ask a very topical question. Who has the bigger ego out of Thwaites, Etteridge or Lackovic?
Two weeks ago
Anon that's a lie. He was the point of contact for that position when originally advertised. Very qualified people applied for that gig but were not given an interview, then he goes back to the CBA board and asks for the president to be the new point of contact so he can apply himself.
Two weeks ago
From what I see Rockingham did very well to pick up Travis Durnin. Travis also did well choosing that program as opposed to Magic and spending another season sitting in the corner or at the wing and watching imports take most of the shots. If he hopes to get to the wildcats in the future, he definitely has a much better chance with the Flames.
Spectator I'm actually pretty familiar with that situation. Three people collated, reviewed and considered the applications at Cockburn. For both the Mens and Womens jobs. They set the interviews and I believe they attended them. The GM was only one of the those people.
I could be wrong of course.
Spectator - why the Ty hate? What has he NOT done that others have done better? Grover Bezant Fisher Srdarev
That's just 4 names with no real program experience who appear untouchable? How many WSBL coaches actually have real time professional & Aus level touch points like he’s had outside Deanna?
The hate is just laughable, he probably just cut your kid.
When I see forum heading WA SBL, I just assume its men's.
Same when I see an AFL forum, I assume its mens.
I dont expect to read about AFLW.
Same when I see an NBA forum, I assume its mens.
I dont expect to read about WNBA.
Anyway only my opinion.
Stop being so damn precious "Oooh this is a men's thread only"
No its not, it says WA SBL - thats it. If you cant handle the fact that we discuss both leagues on this thread then i suggest growing up, learn about a little thing called equality and dealing with your own personal shortcomings rather than hoping everyone else can make sure you feel comfortable just because you only want this to be about one gender. That's the problem with society today, too many numpties who get butt hurt at the slightest inconvenience to themselves without looking at the much broader picture. Hopefully your mum removes her breast from your mouth long enough for you to be able to actually grasp the concept that you dont always get what you want in life, and this is a public forum discussing our Leagues - Men AND Women.
The MSBL and WSBL are part of the same league. They have the same teams, who play the same games, and were formed at the same time.
The same is not true of the AFL/AFLW, nor of the NBA/WNBA.
All the utter trash that gets posted in these threads and it's the mention of women's teams that results in complaints? Grow up, people.
Kobe who cares when they were formed etc
Its still very misleading..
When you see SBL, 99% of general public think of Mens SBL.
If u click on a new article saying STAR AFL Eagles player out for the year, when you click on the feed and see a Eagles AFLW player surely that's a little misleading...
The reason that this is connected is because the SBL community is very connected. Coaches and managers are/have been often part of both competitions, players have partners/friends/siblings in the league due to the club/community nature of the competitions. The referees generally have involvement with both leagues and as do administrations, sponsors and volunteers. It is a minor inconvenience for the people that are only interested in one of the leagues, there are however many more benefits than these slight inconveniences. The people groups mentioned above are a lot more important that the fan who is asking for a lot of the content to be removed, I hope that they can be humble and step back for a moment and understand this.
This thread is usually clogged with people posing as players to make fun of them, discussions of Lakeside's domestic competitions, and assorted other totally off-topic garbage, yet post about women's basketball and all of a sudden it's spam and should be stopped.
Get out of here with that garbage.
Born in Zambales, Philippines, Washington played for the Eckerd College Tritons during his college career. In 2002, he had per-game averages of 20.5 pts (on 36% 3PT shooting) and 3.9 rebs in 32 games. He then raised his averages to 21.7 pts and 5.5 rebs in 32 games the next season. For his senior season, Washington was named to the Sunshine State Conference All Tournament Team. Washington also suited up for the Gwinnett Grizzlies at the 2004 LA Summer Pro League.
Washington was selected 1st overall draft pick in 2005 PBA draft by the FedEx Express and was traded to the Talk 'N Text Phone Pals during draft day. Despite putting good numbers, high expectations and the deep rotation of Talk 'N Text led him to being traded to the San Miguel Beermen in 2008 in exchange for the draft rights of 2008 3rd overall pick Jayson Castro. During the 2010 PBA Fiesta Conference, he was awarded the Best Player of the Conference. He is a three-time Mythical First Team Awardee in the PBA. He was then awarded another Best Player of the Conference Award during Game 4 of the 2010-11 PBA Philippine Cup Finals.
On June 11, 2013, Washington was sent to the GlobalPort Batang Pier after a trade that also sent Japeth Aguilar from GlobalPort to Barangay Ginebra.
On September 22, 2014, he was traded from GlobalPort to Talk 'N Text for Nonoy Baclao, rookie Harold Arboleda and the rights for Talk 'N Text's 2nd round pick in the 2018 draft. This trade is a part of a series of trades between Talk 'N Text, GlobalPort, and NLEX Road Warriors. He returned to Talk 'N Text after six years of playing with San Miguel/Petron and GlobalPort.
On October 13, 2016, Washington was traded to the Rain or Shine Elasto Painters from GlobalPort Batang Pier in exchange for JR Quiñahan.
Wrong Jay Washington. That bloke you mentioned is a 38yo 6-8" Filipino/American who is well past it.
The 'Jay Washington' that the Slammers have signed is a 6-0" point guard who recently played in the QBL, and the year before that in Queensland second division league (SBL).
You could almost say he is a modern day Michael Lay.
Interesting that they have gone with a guard as one of their imports. They must have some Aussie big men up their sleeve.
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