Perthworld
Two months ago

World Cup QF: Boomers vs. Czech Republic

It's official now - Boomers face the Czechs on Wednesday night at 9pm local (and Perth) time.

Best QF opponent you could ask for on our side of the draw, CZE are ranked 24th - only Poland in 25th is lower out of QF teams.

It's our time.

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X ball  
Two months ago

I will have French toast tomorrow

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rjd  
Two months ago

What's the scouting report on this Czech team?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Good team all round. There centre and satoransky are very good.

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paul  
Two months ago

Play fast, share the ball, shoot with confidence, Satoransky's penetration is a key. They don't have great size though and struggle with pressure D, not that the Boomers provide that.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Satoransky's penetration is a key.

Much like Tony Greig back in the 80s

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paul  
Two months ago

I'm not sure he wears Julius Marlows though!

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ME  
Two months ago

From what I have seen they look like a 'good' European team but not a great one. I think they'll be the type of team we match up quite comfortably with and wont provide some of the athleticism issues that France, Canada and Dominican Republic did. Australia should come into this game as firm favorites but it would be a catastrophic time for them to rest on their laurels. Australia by 12.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Average odds:

Australia $1.13 $5.74 Czech Republic

Line set at -11.5

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

Nostraballmus agrees with ME, for once, but by 5. This game looks the more readily winnable than Lith, France and Czech. We would have readily signed up for a 1/4 v Czech at the start of the tourney. And thats what scares me - the games the Boomers ' should win'. Good shooting team, Bohacik fills it up and big Balvin will/should be on NBA radars again given his play here. Bit concerned about our lack of guard size v Sato (who i dead set rate) but I reckon Creek's muscular approach in in his too small uniform or Ingles length and chippiness can give him a mix of things to worry about in addition to Mills or Delly's snapping. The lack of respect shown to Senegal and the Dominicans surely wont resurface, as margin for error will be more minimal here says the Ballmus.

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Hroz  
Two months ago

We should win. Our players are superior at every position.

And they aren't long and athletic like a lot of teams that despite lack of skill have pushed the Boomers.

But like why game if they catch fire from downtown, we could in theory lose.

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Bagman  
Two months ago

If we minimise turnovers and shoot anywhere near what we did last night, we will win by 20.

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robt  
Two months ago

Can't argue with above but, like us, they have got this far. They have done it with a less-athletic, less-long, goodish sort of team. Respect (and I don't mean be nice to them) and focus all game. Should be another cracker, I think.

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Isaac  
Two months ago

The Czech path so far:

Lost by 21 to USA
Beat Japan by 13
Beat Turkey by 15
Beat Brazil by 22
Lost to Greece by 7

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Reality  
Two months ago

This is our best chance to get to a gold game ever!

The draw has opened up for us!

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ME  
Two months ago

Being the favorites isn't a position that sits well with the Boomers. I think we need to give some time to some hungry players in the course of this game to make sure our intensity is where it needs to be. Plenty of Creek thanks. And I think Goulding is probably due for another big one

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Red84  
Two months ago

Pleased we are not playing Greece. Czechs will provide an honest contest. Czechs will get points from Satoransky and his links up with Balvin (the centre). The Mills vs Satoransky match up will be a treat.

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

Only thing of concern at the moment (purely my opinion) is our "studs" being gassed. The wear and tear may start to show soon. Incredibly gutsy effort so far to get where they are. So proud of this mob.

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hoopie  
Two months ago

Baynes looked gassed and possibly also hurting by the end of the game. I really hope taking the charges didn't injure him

I know he will give his all, but I wouldn't want to play him (or have to depend on him) if he's hurt.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The Czechs are plucky and will be a big challenge, regardless of their limited pedigree

Have a lot of faith that Lemanis will be able to scheme to disrupt their stuff

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Good luck keeping Baynes off the court if he's hurt. (Injured, different story)

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ME  
Two months ago

I think Baynes will be fine. There's been no suggestion of injury and he seems in pretty good spirits. The Boomers wont be the only team a bit gassed out there. With over 48 hours to recover and all the knowledge they have of looking after themselves, I think they'll be fine. But an easy game would be lovely right now if the Czechs could just lie down and cop this beating for us.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

There are no easybeats when you make the QF of a WC.
But Damn have we lucked out with the Czechs!

They are the ONLY team to qualify with 3 wins,
and in fact by any sense of fairness they shouldn't be there, having LOST to Greece.

Got a BAD feeling about the SF against Spain, but "one game at a time."

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Boomers players +/- averages so far at the World Cup:

Landale -0.6
Bogut 0.6
Goulding 1
Creek 1.2
Kay 5.6
Baynes 7.6
Delly 7.8
Jingles 8.2
Mills 13.6

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Senator11  
Two months ago

"Line set at -11.5"

Czech +11.5 should be easy money.

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Isaac  
Two months ago

Usual risk is that the Boomers have played their final and underestimate the Czechs. That would be horrible to watch after they've played so well to date, and to set up a favourable run from here.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

" to set up a favourable run from here."

I guess if you take the view that this tea has bean created to play European teams, then Spain is a preferred option over the Argies.
I just hope that if we end up in the Bronze Medal game, that we can keep our heads up and come home with a medal.

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Greggo  
Two months ago

Czech Republiuc are like a poor mans Boomers. Defense by committee and free flowing passing and great ball movement.

Think Boomers match up well, and very confident going in, but it's no cakewalk.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'd hate to read another complaint about giving up the open midrange during this game, considering we are 5-0 with this strategy. It is the worst statistical shot in bball and allows us to keep superior rebounding position, pretty simple really.
Boomers turn it over less then 15 times the game will be ours easily. Boomers 1-10 my pick

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Senator11  
Two months ago

"Boomers 1-10 my pick"

That's a solid pick. Nice one to boost a few multis too.

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Greggo  
Two months ago

Boomers turn it over less then 15 times the game will be ours easily. Boomers 1-10 my pick>

Very good point about the on balls.

I'd add to that though, we could definitely do with throwing in a few other on-ball defensive looks every now and then just to get the opposition out of the offense.

Play the percentages with our drop d, but one in ten plays throw in a trap or a sting with aggressive rotation D behind it. We'll force a few more turnovers a game. The opposition teams have just looked so comfortable getting into their sets and so routine. This could at least strike a little hesitation.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Greggo - Agree 100%, as the competition continues to improve to cause enough disruption we will have to vary the coverages occassionally.
The more pressing problem for me does Lemanis have any more late clock sets up his sleeve? The shooter backscreening the big on the pr has been hammered the past week.

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Zsa Zsa Gabor  
Two months ago

Can't wait for tonight's game.

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Bubonic  
Two months ago

Perthworld to post 55+ times and boomers to win by 12+ paying $2.75.
Good value forumites.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Think Czech have got us, they have been getting better every game and they play even more as a team.

There centre has more iq than Gobert, satoransky is on fire and everyone plays tough. Slowing there guards is the key to winning.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Invest $60 on the Boomers
Win $165
Put $60 back into your pocket
Use $104 to get yourself a pair of Peak Delly 1's (currently on special) including postage
Still have $1 left over for a penny pincher frozen coke from HJs
Simples

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Jingles out?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

What? What??? WTF?? Explain?!?!

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Boomers coming out sloppy again, as we seem to every time we wear the yellow jerseys

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Turnover Kings!

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Luckily Czechs have been sloppy on two inbounds.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Patty came to play.
I like the early subs.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lol, I hate how we come out with this nonchalant attitude.

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

Nick Kay with the hammer dunk!!!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Outside of Mills, Boomers 1/10 for 3s.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Yeah, most of them good looks but just not dropping so far

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Btown  
Two months ago

Landale sucks

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lol, Landale has gone from nba pick to nbl bench.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

This mobile role does not suite him.

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Btown  
Two months ago

Role has not much to do with it. Barely rebounds, doesnt block, and just jumps out of the way when drives comes like that play with thr bogut block so theres no inside presence either

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Hroz  
Two months ago

If Bogut doesn't improve not sure he makes the Olympics

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Hroz  
Two months ago

Yea Jock

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Dave  
Two months ago

delly thinks he is MJ with the fade away jumpers, lol

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Highly uninspiring first half but we got away with it.
33-30

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I think there's a spot for Bogut at the Olympics. He can have Sobey, Gliddon or Barlow's for sure.

Landale is all offence, and crumbling under pressure. If he could do anything useful on the other end he probably wouldn't be so stressed about catching and finishing but he really needs to convert his paint touches at >70% to be worth playing.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Boomers need to pick up the intensity. We've seen some of the best teams lose because they remain in cruise control expecting to clamp down in the 4th only to be met by a 3pt scoring run.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Patty 6/9
Others 8/30

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Bubonic  
Two months ago

What Dave is bagging an NBA player.
Shocked!

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Dave  
Two months ago

apart from mills we dont have a heavy scorer, green and Simmons would have been handy.

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Bubonic  
Two months ago

A shaky start to my multi need 54 more posts from forum turd Perthworld and Australia to increase the margin tonight.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Landale been playing centre at st Mary's and in belgrade. The guy struggles to move his feet. If he ain’t under the basket he won’t get many rebounds from pf position. When Bogut retires, Landale becomes backup centre, when Baynes retires, Landale likely becomes no 1 centre with humphries as backup.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

More of Creek required, need his hustle and defence.

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Hroz  
Two months ago

For Bogut

Question is can he beat our Bolden Landale Maker for his spot.

Simmons obviously jumps him.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Green would suck at this level dave, he needs 2-3 more years under the system.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Horrible offense so far. Way too stagnant, can't take advantage of switching defense, and most guys not even looking to score off screens. Ingles is killing us with his passive play.

Our only saving grace has been Patty mostly creating for himself.

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Bubonic  
Two months ago

Green isn't ready Todd/Dave.

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Dave  
Two months ago

patty scored 16 of the team's 33 points. we need a 2nd, 3rd main scorers. If patty has an off night on offense, we might lose.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Farrrrk ... Mills picks up foul #3

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Dave  
Two months ago

stupid foul by mills

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Is Ingles 100%?

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Dave  
Two months ago

Good defense by baynes

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Of course Green is ready to sit on the bench and soak up as much as he can and still be just as useful as Sobey or Gliddon has been this tournament.

We should be default bring in our youngster that has the most upside... I didnt think Delly would handle what he did when he first played for the Boomers but he was fast tracked because of his opportunity.

Go Boomers, time to take it up a notch... please

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Bubonic  
Two months ago

Are you 100% Perthworld?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Green is not ready until the next WC qualifiers. Maybe minutes for Aus in low level games in 2021.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Landale has been very effective from a range of 1' and under

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Landale is NBA ready

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Jacob Holmes in the crowd.

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

Landale doing his bit. It's championship quarter time!

Also, how old is Landale? 19?

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

What a run :D

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Ooh yeah this is more like it :)

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Got to get minutes for cooks and cotton and maybe motum before Tokyo in friendly games. The nba players will not be available before the Olympics.
Maybe g league guys might.

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Dave  
Two months ago

The Chinese crowd are a disgrace, keep booing bogut

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Harden up Dave

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Refs are looking to close the gap. Some soft fouls being called.

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Hroz  
Two months ago

First good 3rd Q

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Our first blowout game. Lovely,

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Chris GouNBLding heating up

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Goulding

#NBL

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Not a blowout yet Perthworld. Still 1 quarter to go. Anything can happen

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

30-18 that quarter with Patty getting plenty of rest

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Goulding is the real deal

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

Long way to go, but what a fantastic third with Patty getting a rest. Bogut has been superb.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Bogut fantastic in third quarter, Landale defensively weak

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Stop shooting the 3. Go inside

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Gliddon and Barlow are licking their lips

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Good response by the Boomers, getting themselves some higher-percentage looks to keep this double digit buffer

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

These Czechs are resilient.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Onya Boges
Quickest move I've seen from him in about 3 years

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Bogut beast mode

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Maybe bogut was reading those commenters on here that we're writing him off. He ain’t done

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Dave  
Two months ago

Bogut scores so easily inside the paint

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Patty, you da man
Again

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Mills is just wow. We're home.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Encore!

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Dave  
Two months ago

mills what a superstar.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Patty is a star

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Btown  
Two months ago

2 cracks at a medal,

They went small ball with bogut on the court and he made them pay.
Goulding good cameo to get the bench scoring ticking over.

Extending the lead in the third with 4 players on nbl rosters on the court.
Kays hustle on the boards is understated, was big this game

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

Final four. What an outstanding effort. The spirit and fight in this team is just incredible. How awesome is international hoops!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Greek , Goulding also very good.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Yeah plenty of contributors in that one. Special mention to Bogut though for standing up when the Czechs were making a real run at us. Kay & Creek did some handy things. Goulding stayed positive despite the early misses and it paid off.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Only 3 spots available for Tokyo. I don't care. The 9 guys playing minutes here should be at the Olympics. Hopefully Landale improves between now and then. Broekhoff gets a spot, good reason for sitting this one out and clearly gutted to do so. Then Simmons, Exum are the last two, with Bolden, Cooks, Adel and Green possible candidates if someone gets hurt or decides to be precious.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Spain and France lock in Europe's two automatic spots for the Olympics.

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Aussiepride  
Two months ago

Great win. Played terrible in the first half but Patty kept us in it. Plenty of contributors in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Bogut stepped it up.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Creek and Kay really good on the loose balls.

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

Well done Boomers, two consecutive back to back appearances in the Final Four at a major tournament.

Only one other team left who finiahed in the top four in Rio and we are coming for them. Revenge is sweet.

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Dave  
Two months ago

bogut, delly, mills , baynes, ingles, creek are locks for me in 2020

Simmons, exum, Bolden, maker, broekfhoff, adel
to be drafted into the team

delly
mills
Bogut
baynes
jingles
Simmons
exum
broekfhoff
maker
Bolden
adel
creek

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Simmons / Dellavedova / Exum
Mills / 1 of Cotton / Goulding
Ingles / Broekhoff / 1 of Cooks / Creek
2 of Bolden / Landale / Maker
Baynes / Bogut

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

that looks good to me #82

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"boomers to win by 12+ paying $2.75.
Good value forumites."

Thanks Bubonic!

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

How awesome is international hoops!

It is the ultimate and makes the NBA isoball look like trash. It's a shame we only have two competitive tournaments per four year cycle. At least the Europeans get to compete in EuroBasket every two years (up until the recent change).

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"It is the ultimate and makes the NBA isoball look like trash. It's a shame we only have two competitive tournaments per four year cycle. At least the Europeans get to compete in EuroBasket every two years (up until the recent change)."

I don't understand all the NBA fan boys online that talk trash about the FIBA rules and style of play. I'd rather watch NBL or FIBA over NBA any day. I honestly get bored when i try watch a whole NBA game.

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rjd  
Two months ago

It looked like they hardly had any energy to celebrate this win. Probably a wise move to look ahead. A few looked very tired towards the end. This has been a tough schedule with a game every two days. World Cup basketball is so intense.

Unbelievable effort to make it into the top 4 without a loss. Australia's best ever world championships/cup result. With all the outrage about end of bench selections, Lemanis supplemented the predictable core NBAers -- Delly, Mills, Ingles, Baynes -- with Euro-ball Landale and valuable role playing NBLers, Bogut, Creek, Kay, Goulding to create a dependable, focused and committed unit. This core 9 have carried this team to a semi-final. One win away from a medal after a 6-0 start.

Yet somehow we still have critics of Lemanis in here obsessed with tweaking our roster in anticipation of the Olympics to include their favourite players, already cutting valuable role players. Let's see how this tournament plays out.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Delly / Cotton
Mills / Goulding
Ingles / Broekhoff / Cooks
Landale / Kay / Creek
Baynes / Bogut

I doubt Simmons or Bolden will commit. They have showed no interest in the World Cup.

Exum possibly in for Cotton. Motum and Maker in as injury replacements.

Just because someone is a fringe NBA player like Deng Adel doesn't mean they are better than NBL guys. Often NBA teams will recruit young guys with possible future upside.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

I saw someone on Twitter midway through the game demanding Kay be glued to the bench and never touch the floor again, insisting that Lemanis needs to figure out Ingles and Creek are our only viable four-men.

Because Lemanis is obviously struggling at the moment...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Simmons has already committed. cotton is not a pg. etc etc.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

I Love Cotton, and am uber chuffed that he seems to like Perth and wants to stay and have a family. Will save the Cats a bit of coin if he can be their Marquee, and allow the Cats to have an import up their sleeve. Good Times.

But lets be honest, he's one of those guys that excels in the NBL, because he's too small to play NBA or EuroLeague.
I suppose that at 27, he might still be firing for 2023, but its hard to see him forcing his way into the Olympics

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

#795, you might recall that Simmons also committed to the World Cup. If the Boomers perform here without him, who knows how his poor enormous ego will cope with the role he's offered on an established contender. I would not take Bolden unless a gap opens for him. The Olympics will have more teams at full strength, but the need for players to fill roles will still exist and Bolden has shown he's unwilling to do that. Kay has obvious limitations but he and Creek have played valuable minutes and made some very important plays.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I get that Dave is a troll but Deng Adel won't make boomers team. Ever.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I can't figure out how much Dave is trolling and how much he's just incredibly stupid.

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Cram  
Two months ago

Anyone get any sleep last night? Today is gonna be a long day!

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PeterJohn  
Two months ago

"Simmons has already committed"

Now that's funny.

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Duke Fan  
Two months ago

Czech Republic need more NBL players

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Olgun's player ratings from that game:
Matthew Dellavedova - 5
Patty Mills - 8
Joe Ingles - 6
Jock Landale - 7
Aron Baynes - 5.5
Andrew Bogut - 8
Chris Goulding - 8
Nick Kay - 7.5
Mitch Creek - 7.5

Article:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/fiba-world-cup/aussie-boomers-player-ratings-vs-czech-republic-patty-mills-sizzles-while-the-bench-mob-strikes-again/news-story/20437e657cae9bac6eebcec887e280cf
(why is the board not letting me post that URL as a hyperlink?)

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Greggo  
Two months ago

Firstly... let's just take a moment to think about the 50% of people that were all WTF NICK KAY??!! GOULDING OVER ADEL??? SACK LEMON ASS HE'S NEVER DONE ANYTHING GOOD.

I hope you'll have a pragmatic thoughtful approach next time.

Secondly, Nick Kay dunking on a crowd...?

I've seen it all now

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Dave  
Two months ago

nick kay still sucks.
A crappy player like kay should not he picked before Bolden and adel, who offer more contributions to the boomers.
Happy with Goulding's
performance though.

Also what is the bloody point of having players like gliddon, Barlow and sobey ? They are so useless that they don't even get on the court.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Gliddon in the Boomers rotation is equivalent to Dave/Makur in sensible Boomers discussion

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ME  
Two months ago

Kay is so crappy that he is contributing well on a team that is well and truly in the medal hunt... right.

I can see Dave doesn't coach basketball at a high level.

I think anyone's right here to be critical of Lemanis' selections is disolving by the day

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Oberon 52  
Two months ago

Dave,

I wonder if you were at the camp where Kay outplayed Bolden. Clearly showing all the coaches and selectors who deserved the opportunity, which has been proven correct.

And that you don't understand that a 9 player rotation is important for player performance, and therefore shows your complete lack of basketball understanding and as such indicates your 'opinion’ is a waste of everyone’s time.

These guys had multiple opportunities to prove themselves worthy in head to head competition and simply failed.

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Dave  
Two months ago

Me, we are in the medal hunt because of our nba core Mills, Bogut, Ingles, Baynes. Kay has been very average and hardly offer anything to the team.
An x~factor like Bolden would offer more to the team.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Czech Republic need more NBL players

They have more NBL players on their team than we did!

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ME  
Two months ago

"An x~factor like Bolden would offer more to the team."


And he chose not to play, so what do you want exactly? DIdn't want to earn his minutes.

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Dave  
Two months ago

oberon, a 9 men rotation is good for team performance but also causes fatigue if you play the main guys too many minutes.

If there are a few injuries to the main rotation guys, the team would be toasted. Imaging having Barlow and gliddon as your starters (to replace the injured players) for the WC final, it would be disastrous.

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Dave  
Two months ago

They have more NBL players on their team than we did!

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That is why they have never won a medal in the Olympics or the WC

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Greggo  
Two months ago

Spends all his time talking about rotation and Adel, to then find even if Adel was in the squad he would be in Barlow's spot anyway.

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Oberon 52  
Two months ago

They would only start is 4+ guys got injured.

If the US team was playing with all their stars and had 6 guys out inured, they'd lose as well.

Kind of a dumb statement. Again, clearly lacking and basketball understanding.

Who was the last team you coached btw Dave? And how did they go?

Btw...rhetorical question because we know you won’t answer that!

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Oberon 52  
Two months ago

And how would Bolden have gone in those roles of not playing?

Let me Guess, he would have acted like a petulant child and constantly complained taking up coaches time and destroying team chemistry and moral.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Dave should be left to coach under sixes where one player always dribbles the ball and never passes it. That's how he likes it, problem is as soon as he’s stopped no one else can play.

Re the rankings Creek was better than Kay and Landale. Landale got some nice buckets but got beaten defensively to often. Lemanis adjusted very quick to it, first by bringing on Kay then Creek.

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Craig  
Two months ago

Kay plays his role and plays it well, thats why he is on the Boomers and its part of the reason we are 6-0. He doesnt complain about minutes, touches, shots taken... he goes out on the court and plays his role. The NBL guys on this roster have all played to their roles and played them well.

The NBA guys are the stars of the team, the NBL guys are the backbone who come out and do their job and do it well.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Go away Dave

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Anyone who says Kay hasn't played his role to perfection is clearly a non-basketball person. If you watch him off the ball, he has created so much space across the court and frees up our shooters constantly. Plus i don't think theres much doubt about his ability to put in a good shift on the defensive end.

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Hroz  
Two months ago

Whats with the Deng Adel hate.

What happened at the camp that everyone is throwing sh*t at his name ?

He's young & talented & deserves the right to try make the boomers if he wants to.

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Hroz  
Two months ago

Kays a solid backup 4. Only 1 bad game vs France so far and Batum just might've been a bad matchup.

Vs Lithuania with Landale struggling vs Sabonis, Kay really stepped up and did the job.

We don't ask too much of him except to play with energy and play solid team defence and he mostly provides that.

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Greggo  
Two months ago

No one's throwing shit at Adel. It's tongue in cheek to that Dave/ Makur guy who thinks he should be an automatic selection over NBL/ Europe guys, because he has a 2 way deal.

He is obviously a very talented player and in the contest for selection.

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

Dave or whoever, Nostraballmus will take Barlow and Gliddon starting in the World Cup Final right now cause it means we are finalists and guaranteed a medal.

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Cram  
Two months ago

Kay has been great. Proved that he can play a role that the team needs. I was one that wasn't happy with the selection, but he's been great.

Having said that, the player management system that meant no better option than Dave Barlow as a replacement is still unforgivable.

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Makur Maker  
Two months ago

"""" Anyone who says Kay hasn't played his role to perfection is clearly a non-basketball person."""


Anyone who says Kay is a better basketballer than adel, boldon and creek has no bloody clue and is totally deluded.


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Greggo  
Two months ago

I think everyone is in agreement with you Makur and you're missing the point...

They're more talented players but Kay is a better fit and the correct selection. And.... "he's played his role to perfection."

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Makur Maker  
Two months ago


"""If the US team was playing with all their stars and had 6 guys out inured, they'd lose as well. """

No need to have 6 players injured.
If patty and mills now go down with injury sobey and gliddon would suddenly found themselves as starters or play major minutes for the team. That would be catastrophic for the team

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hoopie  
Two months ago

Adel and Bolden might have been x-factors, but they might just as easily have been non-factors if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time in the system, or tried too hard once they got on the court, or wouldn't follow instructions because they had the me-first NBA mindset ...

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Oberon 52  
Two months ago

Makur,

No one is actually saying that. What they are saying is that Kay has played that role better than other players up for selection and proved as such at camp and in the tournament.

Some people will never understand that the best 12 players don't necessarily make the best team.

And the only way to prove it is at selection camp and in the tournament.

Kay clearly proved at camp that he was better than Bolden according to the coaches who have coached them undefeated to the semi finals of a world championship. That’s why Bolden has a sook and withdrew himself from selection.

I’m sorry to be the one to break this too you. But their opinion is far more relevant than any opinion here because they were the ones who watched the sessions to select the team. And I dare say spoke with the lead players on team dynamics and selection .

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Makur Maker  
Two months ago

That is why lemanis is such a jerk, picking average players (with better team fit ) before more talented players. It is working out now because of the brilliance of mills, ingles and Bogut. not because kay, gliddon and sobey are making major contributions.

Our nba guys are covering over the cracks right now. Player like kay is made to look good by playing along 4 nba players. It only takes 2 injuries to the starters and the team will start falling apart because of the lack of depth in our bench. Guys like sobey, gliddon, Barlow are basically unplayable.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"If patty and mills now go down with injury sobey and gliddon would suddenly found themselves as starter"

I am trying to work out how both Patty AND Mills could go down injured in a major competition, I reckon only one could ever get injured y'know?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"lemanis is such a jerk"

Are you actually Adel? That is such an odd comment, like you have taken personal offence to him selecting a well performing team

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Makur Maker  
Two months ago

Anon, i have no personal issue with lemanis. I Just think his selection process is fatally flawed. Better players who made themselves available are sitting are sitting at home not participating, which is seriously insane . I mean would you pick Nick Kay over LeBron because Nick Kay has a better team fit and knows the system better than LeBron ?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

#910 yes it's either Adel himself or some one he knows.

Makur

Melbourne were absolutely stacked last season and they couldn’t get near Perth. It’s not about the best players, it’s about the best team. Even in the nba you need quality players but the best team is mostly the winner. I haven’t actually been Kay greatest fan but I can’t deny his performance at these championships, same for Creek. The back end off the bench are just that and imo would fill the void as good as any that you keep raving about.

There is no I in team.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Well I must be honest, no I would not pick Kay over LeBron although I don't think that is the argument you are about to make. Kay is a natural pick over Adel for backup 4 and as for Bolden, well clearly the coaching staff at the camp saw Kay doing something Bolden wasn't (if you look at some threads there are actually some video's very nicely outlining what Kay was doing that Bolden was not in the games vs Canada).
But these questions all don't matter that much as I am not the coach of the boomers squad, I do not know the system they are running and I prefer offensive bigs (Landale, Motum, Johnson) over defensive bigs anyway

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Makur Maker  
Two months ago

Melbourne were absolutely stacked last season and they couldn't get near Perth. It’s not about the best players, it’s about the best team

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A team of superstars will always triumph over
a team of average players with great team fit and chemistry. A team of nbl boomers with great team fit would always be wolloped by the USA dream team.

Despite the lack of team chemistry Whenever team USA choose their best team they always win the WC and olympics gold medal. Why ? because they have the best players.

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FSTOS  
Two months ago

"No need to have 6 players injured.
If patty and mills now go down with injury sobey and gliddon would suddenly found themselves as starters or play major minutes for the team. That would be catastrophic for the team"

OK. Let's use you own example. I'll even assume you meant Delly and Mills.


Yes if they both go down we are up Shit Creek. But who exactly are you suggesting we would have used in their spots. Simmons would help with playmaking for sure. But he was unavailable.

Are you seriously suggesting Green an untried kid could have stepped up on the world stage in a system he is at present unfamiliar with. If you scenario occurred Goulding and Creek would probably start with Ingles doing almost all the playmaking and Sobey and Gliddon play some spot minutes while all the starters carry a huge workload. Might still pinch a game with that lineup.

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hoopie  
Two months ago

if superstars always win, why isn't THIS US team playing in the semifinals? Aren't Mitchell and co superstars, since most play as starters in the NBA? Aren't Pop and Kerr superstar coaches? Bring out the excuses - it must be someone else's fault!

And we're talking about comparing Kay with Adel and Bolden, who are reasonably close in ability. Using LBJ versus Kay is as stupid as comparing Ben Simmons and Jason Cadee.
Yes, the top US players will beat anyone else because of their height, speed, skills, understanding, etc, even teams with their own superstars such as France and Serbia and us.

If I understand your last comments, you're calling Adel, Maker, Bolden SUPERSTARS?!!! You reckon Simmons and those guys would beat the US's best?

If you're going to make comparisons, compare apples with apples instead of going for unrealistic cases.
And given that you think you can do better than Lemanis at picking a squad, GET OUT THERE AND PROVE IT. When you win your first NBL championship, then let us know and we'll apologise.

Otherwise, go grab a mirror and enjoy yourself in private, so that you stop wasting our time.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If a moderator could just block Dave/Todd/Maker that would make life better.

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Makur Maker  
Two months ago

if superstars always win, why isn't THIS US team playing in the semifinals? Aren't Mitchell and co superstars, since most play as starters in the NBA?

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This is hardly a USA team with superstars, there is only 1 all star in this team, kemba walker.

I am sure USA would win this WC if they just have 3 or 4 more super stars like Harden, curry, LeBron, Davis in the team

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paul  
Two months ago

May as well repeat it here:

"In six World Cups (née World Championships) with NBA players, the United States has now lost as many tournaments as it has won. Gold medals in 1994, 2010, and 2014 sit alongside disappointing finishes in 2002, 2006, and now 2019."

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/9/11/20860933/team-usa-loss-world-cup

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Oberon 52  
Two months ago

Makur.

Adel has his chance and didn't make the team. Because Kay outplayed him at camp.

I’m not sure how you can think lemanis and the coaches have made an error.

Btw...no one would leave LeBron home over nick Kay, because LeBron would go to selection camp and earn his spot.

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robt  
Two months ago

Reply #761909: Actually, you couldn't be wrongererer when you wrore this:

"If patty and mills now go down with injury sobey and gliddon would suddenly found themselves as starter
I am trying to work out how both Patty AND Mills could go down injured in a major competition, I reckon only one could ever get injured y'know?"

Do you suggest that if Patty goes down, we can always sub in Mills?

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Andrew  
Two months ago

Dave / Makur.

If your mum hasn't put you to be for school tomorrow.... what is your definition of a better player?

For example why would you say Adel is "better" than Kay?

Kay certainly does things to make his teams win when he is on the court.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

I don't understand all the NBA fan boys online that talk trash about the FIBA rules and style of play. I'd rather watch NBL or FIBA over NBA any day. I honestly get bored when i try watch a whole NBA game.

I know someone who has played the game his whole life so should know better but is purely an NBA fanboy, even though he's now bored of the monotony that is the 82 game regular season. To his credit he admits to following NBA because of the "big names" and "cool factor" rather than the pureness of the sport itself. It's entertainment and most are easily amused if what is served up looks pretty enough. Eye candy if you will. It's akin to Hollywood film vs. European cinema - you know the former is inferior but it's marketed well and easily digestible for the masses - most aren't interested in nuances and want content that is non-thinking and obvious.

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Cram  
Two months ago

I used to be almost exclusively NBL and FIBA, with a little NBA.

Now the pinnacle for me is FIBA ball, with the NBA my day to day watching and NBL a distant, distant third.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

My appreciation for FIBA ball has risen dramatically although part of that is the eveness of the field and USA being knocked out.
Have been a life long NBA fan but don't pay much attention until after all star break.
NBL has grown on me I try to watch every game I can.

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Cram  
Two months ago

"It's entertainment and most are easily amused if what is served up looks pretty enough. Eye candy if you will. It's akin to Hollywood film vs. European cinema - you know the former is inferior but it's marketed well and easily digestible for the masses - most aren't interested in nuances and want content that is non-thinking and obvious."

This is laughable. You're not more cultured because you watch NBL.

The NBA is objectively better basketball. The players are better. The spectacle is better. The refs are WAAAAAAY better.

Sure, its a different style of game, and you can have your preference on whether that style is good or not, but don't be ridiculous.

What you have is a local team to love and support which goes toward the tribalism that makes sport great and that's the one thing we really miss out on with not having the NBA here. That, in itself is great. You don't need to make absurd statements that the NBL is the connoisseurs choice to give a reason to like the NBL.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I find the NBL better entertainment than the NBA because it actually looks like every game matters and while the standard isn't the NBA, it is still very good. The very best NBA games are great, but there are so many no interest games between them, played with low care factor, that it's hard to care myself.

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Cram  
Two months ago

That's fair.

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paul  
Two months ago

Sorry, that was me above. I love the NBA playoffs, because it's all real at that point and most of the teams that play with high IQ are still involved.

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Cram  
Two months ago

Yeah I get that. That still gives you 3 months of top quality basketball. I'd take that over a full season of NBL without a moments hesitation.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

I haven't watched an NBA game in years they're too boring and drawn out for me I'm not sure I'll bother again even with the NBA on SBS now. The rigged offensive rules, bad officiating & superstar calls really turned me off once they decide you're a star player you get the red carpet treatment for life. The NBA is to basketball what WWE is to wrestling.

The FIBA game is as close to pure basketball as it gets and far more watchable to me, even the NBL which is starting to go a bit Hollywood like the NBA is still great to watch and even though my Sixers were barely watchable last season I watch virtually every NBL game on NBL TV. I consider it much more enjoyable to watch than the yawn fests that are NBA games.

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paul  
Two months ago

"Yeah I get that. That still gives you 3 months of top quality basketball. I'd take that over a full season of NBL without a moments hesitation."

You don't have to, they're at different times, it works beautifully!

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Cram  
Two months ago

"You don't have to, they're at different times, it works beautifully!"

Haha, for you maybe. And that's great. I'd far prefer the 2-4 games per week I watch over the summer to be NBA games than NBL. Even the "boring regular season" games for me are magnitudes better than the NBL.

I'm not saying the NBL is without appeal for some, but it no longer has much for me.

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paul  
Two months ago

And without the Tigers going around, that's perfectly understandable. After Fitzroy died, I didn't watch much AFL for years.

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Cram  
Two months ago

Some will be happy to know, however, I will be paying for an NBL game this season for the first time since the Tigers were screwed over, to watch the Sixers (good mate is a big Sixers fan) play at Phoenix.

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Cram  
Two months ago

I'd just like to point out that it isn't just the Tigers getting killed that is the reason my interest in the NBL has dropped (though it is the biggest reason). The concerted move to becoming a second rate G League, overspending which will inevitably lead to further instability and general air of style over substance that means I won't watch many games when I used to watch virtually all of them (not just the Tigers).

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Getting a bit off topic, but anyway... you can obviously do whatever you please with your basketball viewing, and I share your concerns about the arms race of over-spending for a league that has yet to generate any real income. But I'm curious about where the "style over substance" vibe comes from, because that's one thing I don't agree about at all. Teams are putting icing and sprinkles onto their game nights to give the games wider appeal, but this still ain't a cupcake league.

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Cram  
Two months ago

ugh. Anything featuring Corey Williams is a good example. Loud. Obnoxious. Adds nothing of value.

Continual self promotion by LK and his team. Pushing the league into buying from his own clothing company. The "landmark media deals" that seemed to be signed every year despite virtually flat ratings and the league still running the coverage for no profit. Basically the vibe of "look at how good we're doing!" despite no evidence to back it up. Teams are losing money with no outlook that will change any time soon. But they keep with the "boom" angle, desperately hoping to fool other fools into buying in. Its a house of cards sure to fall.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

This is laughable. You're not more cultured because you watch NBL.

I was comparing NBA to FIBA - specifically the World Cup. Comparing the elite with the elite. Maybe slow down at replying next time with your LK hate/Tigers downfall hurt.

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Cram  
Two months ago

First of all, you were replying to a comment about preferring FIBA or NBL over NBA and made no distinction in your reply. Secondly, preferring FIBA over NBA doesn't make you more cultured either, and is just as laughable of a comparison.

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paul  
Two months ago

Cram, I think the point being made wasn't about being "cultured" as you said, it was more that was good international-style ball has more to it tactically than the NBA. I think that's been reinforced over the years with the USA running simple stuff compared to other top countries.

What the NBA has is the bigger stars, the bigger athletes, the bigger highlight plays and the bigger marketing budget. As such, I think the Hollywood/European film comparison isn't a bad one, especially given it's using the two same cultures in the comparison.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

ugh. Anything featuring Corey Williams is a good example. Loud. Obnoxious. Adds nothing of value.

Continual self promotion by LK and his team. Pushing the league into buying from his own clothing company. The "landmark media deals" that seemed to be signed every year despite virtually flat ratings and the league still running the coverage for no profit. Basically the vibe of "look at how good we're doing!" despite no evidence to back it up. Teams are losing money with no outlook that will change any time soon. But they keep with the "boom" angle, desperately hoping to fool other fools into buying in. Its a house of cards sure to fall.


Cheers Cram. I thought you might have been referring to the actual basketball, which has probably never been better. If it's peripheral stuff then yeah fair enough. I see that stuff but find it pretty easy to ignore. Actually I'll also add that I don't mind LK promoting his league. It's a good product and worth shouting about.
Bottom line: I think you'll enjoy the Phoenix-Sixers game.

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

I understand your perspective Cram but I also have to accept those same fools LK is trying to attract might ensure the league is around for another ten-twenty years and doesn't fold in two. The league is unsustainable if it has only the dyed in the wool types like us propping it up.

Am I as fanatical about the 36ers as I was 20 years ago, no, but I become more cynical the older I get and harder to impress.

So I guess the discussions about the Boomer and Czech Republic game have come to an end.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Cram, I think the point being made wasn't about being "cultured" as you said, it was more that was good international-style ball has more to it tactically than the NBA. I think that's been reinforced over the years with the USA running simple stuff compared to other top countries.

What the NBA has is the bigger stars, the bigger athletes, the bigger highlight plays and the bigger marketing budget. As such, I think the Hollywood/European film comparison isn't a bad one, especially given it's using the two same cultures in the comparison.

Thanks for explaining it to him.

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