Perthworld
Years ago
World Cup SF: Boomers vs. Spain
Friday 4pm local (and Perth) time.
Thanks FIBA for the short turnaround.
Let's win this to guarantee a medal!
Perthworld
Years ago
Friday 4pm local (and Perth) time.
Thanks FIBA for the short turnaround.
Let's win this to guarantee a medal!
Will be great to win but Spain will be very hard. Sensational guards and bigs. Hopefully boomers got another big game in them, be great to get to gold medal game.
Aussiepride
Years ago
If you talk to Matt Russell we are already through to the Gold Medal game. Does that mean we don't even have to turn up Friday night?
Tim
Years ago
Australia now firming in the betting strongly Spain 1.72 Australia 2.00
Aussiepride
Years ago
Argentina at $3 against France. France at $1.40 Get on the Argies!
Big Ads
Years ago
FIBA scheduled it early so not to clash with the West Coast v Geelong final. They will make sure Spain win to purposefully avoid any risk of the game going into overtime
D2.0
Years ago
Has Baynes been carrying an injury, or is it something that happened in the game?
He was benched and shirted about halfway through the last, and was clearly in pain just trying to get his shirt on. Then seemed to be nursing his right arm or shoulder.
koberulz
Years ago
Looked to me like he got hurt taking the charge. Started to get up and then fell down again.
D2.0
Years ago
Yeah I noticed that, but I thought maybe he was just winded?
I'll try going back and having another look
D2.0
Years ago
Had another look. Not sure what happened with that charge. He definitely went down again. Might have just been a knock to the guts or maybe even nuts.
Seemed to moving ok in the 4th, maybe slightly favouring his right arm, but not much at all.
Definite grimacing when putting on his shirt, but hopefully just a niggle he's carrying.
Going to him and all the starters firing for the Spaniards.
Baller#3
Years ago
Spain get the extra days break which could be crucial at this stage of the tournament. We did at times look a bit gassed last night too I thought.
koberulz
Years ago
The rhythm of playing every second day might help. These things can go either way.
Luuuc
Years ago
I agree, Baller#3
That extra day is really valuable right now
Cram
Years ago
The extra day's rest is big, especially when you consider the Boomers go from playing the latest timeslot of the tournament and then have to back up 43 hours later. Spain have had a full 3 days rest.
The biggest hurdle against Spain is that they replicate a lot of what has been successful for us - battle hardened vets that have played together for years. Only they've done it in the biggest of games.
We can definitely get them, but I think we are underdogs. I don't think that's a bad thing though, as I think Australia plays better when they're chasing rather than being chased.
Significant differences in rest should be scheduled early in the tournament. Quarters were played across different venues, so there's no reason they couldn't all have been on the same day.
The Boomers will be so motivated for this game, but it's a huge difference in recovery periods and definitely gives Spain an edge.
paul
Years ago
Also, we should be wearing green uniforms on Friday.
LV
Years ago
Boomers were a touch sloppy in that first half last night. Czech don't look as good as France or Lithuania. They were mixing up the defensive looks more than other opponents had, but it was disappointing how they made the Boomers look out of sync.
Hopefully the Boomers pattern of the whole tournament continues for the next game- one good game, one somewhat off game, then another good one...and so on.
Extra days rest makes Spain the slight favourites.
On the other hand, Spain have started slow in this tourney- were down double digits vs both Tunisia and Iran- Iran jumped them 10-0. Serbia and Puerto Rico led them at quarter time. I'm hoping the Boomers get the jump, and then ride on a wave of confidence and keep the lead.
Luuuc
Years ago
Boomers were a touch sloppy in that first half last night.
Senator11
Years ago
That extra day break Spain get is massive. Friday nights gonna be great, Boomers followed by West Coast vs Geelong! :D
ME
Years ago
I think Baynes will probably be alright but clearly needed to be rested. Our bigs will be well rested moving forward, and none of our guards played much over 30.
Does anybody know if any of the 3 refs who did our game against Spain in Rio, are also at this tournament?
Ballalld4y
Years ago
What a game this will be, on paper I'd expect it to be the toughest game of the tournament.
Spain in a similar position to us, whereby these had the same core @ international level for a number of years now.
Rubio has been firing and they've been getting even contributions across the board and again, similar to us they play beautiful fundamental team bball sharing the ball.
We need one of those perfect games again similar to to our France performance.
Last nights game whilst gritty just wont get it done, too sloppy with the turnovers and need some scoring support behind Patty. Will need significant scoring contributions from Joe and Baynes.
Win this and we're in Pole position for that Gold you'd think!
I don't know that a win over Spain makes us favourites for gold. A second win against France is probably going to be just as hard if not harder to get than the first. If Argentina knock them off, maybe.
My hope is that Jingles is overdue a great game and if Mills keeps firing, it doesn't take much from the rest of the crew to elevate us to a really high levle.
Bear
Years ago
Thanks Luuc for posting that video, yes we owe them one for the flop but with 5 seconds to go we did botch the next possession when we should have at least done the same and driven to the rack to try and draw a foul!
Let's get over that now and rewrite history, GO BOOMERS!
Cram
Years ago
Yeah we needed career shooting night by Baynes and a few missed bunnies by France to get that game. Yes we made some big plays, but you can't rely on that all the time. I would say any of the 4 teams is more than capable of winning the gold if they play near their best. That is pretty exciting.
D2.0
Years ago
I know its all about sticking to the plan and going with what works...
But:
I think we have a better team, but they have some stars who are capable of destroying us all on their own.
Rubio might be the best PG left in the comp, and he carries that team. Can Delly shut him down? That could be the key to the game.
If Delly's off, or gets into foul trouble we need maybe CG to try and keep him contained.
Gasol has been having a great tourney. He has been dominant, and playing good minutes. His backup is ok, without being great.
I don't know if Baynes can contain him? Should we start Bogut??
The battle between Jingles & Fernandez is going to be epic.
Craig
Years ago
Baynes will do a better job than Bogut because Gasol knows how to use his size and Baynes can match up with him physically.
Do we go with Delly / Creek for containing Rubio?
Mervan
Years ago
Two best teams in the tournament left for mine
Should be the gold game
Rubio does not carry the team, they have another guy in llull.
Ballalld4y
Years ago
Somne wouldve argued that tonights playoff for 5th shouldve been the gold game haha.
SuperDuperCoach
Years ago
Boomers at risk because they rely too much on the 3 ball. Would love to see more emphasis on transition. Boomers also exposed on the curious way they've chosen to defend the on ball screens, giving away a midrange every time. On the other hand it was great to see Bogey sticking the points away late in the Czech game, more of that please. And I agree with a few others that Ingles is due a big game.
Delly and Patty full court aggressive pressure has been the key!!
Llull is a gun, there guards are extremely good.
Mervan
Years ago
Like the video but hate it.
I think on the last Aus possession it was tipped away on a pass. So in my mind we can't blame lemon grass for that.
Also watching the video can't help thinking broekoff would be a nice distraction sitting in the corner!
Also I am loving that Paul isn't there to destroy us.
Not confident but optimistic for a win
(Also since I haven't watched the last two games live I will be abstaining in case I jinx them)
D2.0
Years ago
"Rubio does not carry the team, they have another guy in llull"
What, a basketball team with more than one guard? Whoever heard of such a thing.
Rubio is the most important player on their team. If we can shut him down (without letting their other players run amok) we could win this game.
Of course it is never that simple. But it will be interesting to watch the match-ups.
Spain has not been a huge 3-point team, so it will be interesting to see if our strategy of conceding the mid-range works
paul
Years ago
Yeah nah, Spain are anything but a one-man team, and they are team that's excellent with their counters, so shutting down one guy usually opens up another.
D2.0
Years ago
Where did I say they were a one man team? Or anything even remotely close to that?
As I pointed out, they have THREE guys who are exceptional, and I thought worthy of mention. In point of fact their entire starting 5 is impressive, as you would expect. Their starting Forward, (Clavier?) is no slouch and probably a better allround player than Landale.
But Rubio is a class above. He was on fire against the Pols.
As I said, its not that simple. He's had one off game, against IRAN,
so nobody has been able to shut him down.
Sorry if it offends people to point out that anybody but Australia has great players. As I said, the way GC has been playing, and even Kay & Creek. I think we have a better 8~9 man rotation than Spain, so a better team, but they do have some better players.
Big Ads
Years ago
There are great match ups across the board,
Delly/Creek v Rubio
Ingles v Fernandez
Baynes v Claver/Willy H
Bogut v Gasol
Mills/Goulding v Llull/Ribus
Landale/Kay v Juancho H/Oriola
Hopefully Joey has some personal insight which gives Australia an effective strategy to blunt Ricky's influence.
But, as mentioned, Spain have multiple guys who can be game winners on the biggest international stage so shutting down Ricky is only one part of the puzzle.
I think the Spanish are jtst as worried about Mills and Co and like 2016 I anticipate a tight match. To close to call but I hope Australia prevails.
Senator11
Years ago
I feel like Fernandez has been playing for 30+ years, guys just keeps going.
robt
Years ago
I see a case for starting Creek on Rubio with the sole purpose of upsetting his rhythm. I can't see a case for not starting Delly though (or anyone else).
If you're prepared to throw caution to the wind for the sake of this game and do the above, then it would be easier to replace Creek in the starting 5 with Sobey with express instructions that Rubio is shut down. Even to the extent of fouling to stop him. Give him hell, just short of dirty or thuggish (I don't ever want to see that). Just to try so hard that he will cause fouls anyway. Just stop him early. He has the speed, he sees himself as a bit of a bulldog and, with all due respect for Sobey, he is more expendable than Creek as things stand.
Then Delly, and he's no slouch on D and can take over running the team resting Mills and Ingles from pressures they, no doubt, have been receiving without having to sub out of the game. He's also that little bit fresher than Rubio, hasn't been hassled for the 2 or 3 mins of Sobey's involvement and hopefully, Rubio has picked up a foul cos Sobey has pissed him off so much.
robt
Years ago
I am sure that post is utter rubbish. I often sit hear and let my feeble thoughts go wild while I practise keyboard skills. I delete 99% of them. I hit the wrong button this time. IGNORE THE ABOVE.
hoopie
Years ago
I can see team fouls being critical in this game as both teams target the stars in order to shut them down. There will be a lot of aggro from Australia who want revenge, and from Spain who want that GF spot and think they deserve it.
Greggo
Years ago
Think we'll need more Bogut and less Baynes for this matchup. Hopefully Bogues feels good physically and stays out of foul trouble. I think his length at the rim and on the boards will be key.
No. 1 Shane Heal Fan
Years ago
I really want to see not only a Boomers win, but Ingles to dominate.
Purely because I really, really want to see the headlines read: "Boomers advance to Gold medal game, Spain No Hablo Ingles".
Big Ads
Years ago
Very good Shane Heal fan. I like it
And Robt, no need to apologise, I like your outside the box thinking. It is bold, risky and very reckless, like Deng Adel's exclusion from the Boomers World Cup team...................it might just work ;-)
No. 2 Shane Heal Fan
Years ago
'Tougher than an NBA schedule': The Australian Boomers’ World Cup campaign is taking its toll
https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/fiba-world-cup/tougher-than-an-nba-schedule-the-australian-boomers-world-cup-campaign-is-taking-its-toll/news-story/d46a6fd04257d09e285accc72ec7c664
Nostraballmus
Years ago
While everyone around him was kicking it, Nostraballmus first picked up a ball in country NSW in 1983. Very soon after he became a Boomers fan. You don't choose your team, your team chooses you.
Today is a big day. Only eight previous days since 1983 has Nostraballmus woken with the same question on his mind as today - is it Medal Day ???
GO YOU BOOMERS
No. 2 Shane Heal Fan
Years ago
Joe Ingles is the Boomers' sh*t-talking extraordinaire. It all stems from having some perspective
https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/fiba-world-cup/joe-ingles-is-the-boomers-shttalking-extraordinaire-it-all-stems-from-having-some-perspective/news-story/6292dd13d80b94d1040207e938ce126e
Hey,
Anyone have a stream for tonight? Much appreciated if you do!
Andrew
Years ago
Just take a free Kayo trial to watch the game. If you have some that previously, create another email address and use it to take out another free kayo trial.
@Andrew
You need a new mobile number to double up on Kayo trials
I signed up for the 10 day Foxtel Go trial for the games
D2.0
Years ago
Best way is to sign up via (IIRC) "Bet Easy"
I went through that, didn't even have to verify the Betting account, and straight away linked through to 3 months free Kayo.
Andrew
Years ago
Ah good call. I've done multiple Foxtel trials but never on Kayo.
I did the Bet Easy 3 month trial too. Talk about perfect timing :)
D2.0
Years ago
This is overly simplistic but I am a little concerned in regards to our defensive strategy versus Spain's scoring.
We apparently try to limit 3-point shooting, and close-in shooting, whilst conceding the (statistically poor) mid-range.
However it appears that Spain are quite strong in that area
Perthworld
Years ago
In case someone needs the free Kayo offer ASAP here's the link with instructions:
https://www.hoops.com.au/forum/45558-2019-fiba-world-cup-how-to-watch-for-free-legall/
Luuuc
Years ago
Was worried how we'd go when Patty rested. We ended that quarter very well other than the late turnover.
Fkn knew that would cost us :/
Can we please stop giving up turnovers!!!!!!!!
Can't win this game by giving it up
Perthworld
Years ago
We just have to live with these turnovers and do it the hard way yet again. It's unfortunately the Boomers style.
Luuuc
Years ago
Nup. Creek giving us some decent minutes so far. Any minutes rest we can buy for the starters this half are valuable I reckon.
Gus3232
Years ago
Man this is one tough game. Hanging tough boys, keep at it.
Hoopie
Years ago
Lots of barely-stationary screens from Spain, and mispronunciations from the lead commentator who's a prat. (Rubio dribbles behind the back and the commentator says he’s a magician. ROFL)
Respectfully disagree, travels and dumb fouls have no value. He deserves garbage minutes to give the better players a rest.
Others are turning it over too, that was a flop from Gasol, and we have 1 team foul 4mins in - Creek fouling on a mismatch isn't a bad thing.
Hoopie
Years ago
Expect lots of flopping and head checks and over-acting from Spain if that's what it takes to win
NBL Creek is good, Boomers Creek is questionable,
AussiePride
Years ago
A positive is we look the better team than Spain.
A negative is we not shooting well other than Patty.
Need some Ingles threes!
Luuuc
Years ago
No disrespect to our excellent defence, but I doubt Spain will shoot that poorly in the 2nd half.
Mills + Ingles = 1/6 form outside so hopefully plenty of lift to come for us as well.
koberulz
Years ago
Offensive on delly? Load of shit
Laughable offensive foul on Delly there.I thought I saw the ref signal a travel. Do we know it was called a foul?
Big Ads
Years ago
Both teams look like they have both played a game every second day for the past fortnight.
Boomers looking ok given the lesser recovery time, do they have enough juice to hold Spain or even pull away in the 3rd.
Have the boomers pulled out a good 3rd quarter yet?
Gus3232
Years ago
The intensity in this game is off the charts. Such a potentially huge occasion. I wish they knew how much support they had back here. Time for revenge.
Gus3232
Years ago
The intensity in this game is off the charts. Such a potentially huge occasion. I wish they knew how much support they had back here. Time for revenge.
Kobe, it was called an offensive foul - confirmed by the play-by-play.
Perthworld
Years ago
The call previous on Delly was a travel kr not the one we are talking about.
twenty four
Years ago
"I thought I saw the ref signal a travel. Do we know it was called a foul?"
I'm going to assume that the play-by-play having it down as an offensive foul means that it was foul...
"Have the boomers pulled out a good 3rd quarter yet? "
Not since our last game: 30-18 in the 3rd vs Czech...
Perthworld
Years ago
Now we force a turnover but can't convert from it. Argh.
Refs fucking us again. Spainish player jumps on Baynes - no call. Landale barely displaces his matchup - offensive foul.
Perthworld
Years ago
There's the difference between height and what you can get away with between NBL and NBA/Europe with that Kay mid-hook shot.
I really like the fact that the way we're guarding on-ball screens is perfect for Rubio. He's exactly the guard who can't hurt us for this.
This commentator sure gets a lot of basic things wrong about what the refs are calling
proud
Years ago
This game has been so tense so far but I'll take an 8 point lead nearing 3/4 time against Spain any day of the week.
Our defense has looked solid so far but how much gas do we have left in the tank and can we get our shot to drop soon?
Perthworld
Years ago
Spain don't look good but these second and third chances are killing us.
A final on the line, and there is no hustle from us.
Worst commentators ever. Matt Russell is atrocious.
That's right Rick, twirl ya man bun you massive f.....
Our game, thrown way off, Jackin shots, poor passin etc
Perthworld
Years ago
Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. Our nice points cushion all but gone.
3QT ESP 51-55 AUS
Luuuc
Years ago
Foul trouble update
Bogut & Landale 3
Delly 2
No one else with more than 1
We should be up 15 going into final qtr.
Our high iq team has brain damage at the moment.
AussiePride
Years ago
Think that was Bogut with the bucket. Hard to tell with that ridiculous camera angle.
Luuuc
Years ago
Would have been nice for Ingles to splash that three, but drawing a foul and getting 2 from the alley is probably handier in the long run.
Looks like Spain are gonna try to act their way back into this one.
hoopie
Years ago
agree with Rat10 - the refs starting to look a bit partial to Spanish over-acting
Joe
Years ago
Woah Kay making it look like a training clinic out there
Kay just knows how to play!! Landale, would have not noticed Spain was one down, but probably have run into a teammate... Still like Landal, but he has some growing to do.
When Delly went off late 3rd and early 4th, we couldn't run properly.
Perthworld
Years ago
I love how Rubio earlier grabbed his head when he got whacked on his arm.
The commentators are horrendous. Nick Kay is awesome.
Perthworld
Years ago
Nick Kay with the almost-three. Imagine if that went in.
mmmmm, lost our cool, lookin like lost the game.
Perthworld
Years ago
We're having a ref mass-debate right now. Good call.
In the circle!! Bad offence though.... two bad sets in a row
Perthworld
Years ago
Heart attack stuff. We keep giving Spain so many opportunities.
God they've executed so well the last few. I don't like our chances.
Luuuc
Years ago
Boomers 70
Spain 69
28 seconds left
Spain ball.
Both teams in the bonus.
This is it.
That is a disgraceful call!! massive flop by gasol!
Perthworld
Years ago
ESP 71-70 with 8.7s left. Time out. Our ball advanced to the half way line.
FFS too many turnovers by us.
We had a good run. Refs just don't want Australia to win anything.
What is dopey bogut suggesting with the dollars signal with his fingers
Refs bad, yeah.
But man what a choke. So many poor decisions.
Patty ain't gonna miss. We only need one. Come on patty!!!
Perthworld
Years ago
Mills misses the last free throw.
Rubio nearly hits a buzzer beater but it rims out.
OT :(
sixtiesrockstar
Years ago
Boomers GOAT Gaze wouldn't have missed the free throw.
Refs continue to do their best to ruin this game.
Gus3232
Years ago
My heart breaks that little bit more with every farking turnover. Our blokes look gassed.
Nick Kay get a lot of shit, but adding him to the team has paid off
Perthworld
Years ago
78-78 Ingles makes both free throws. 2:22 left.
Perthworld
Years ago
Another turnover.k wjflfejwewfjewklfjwkljfkjwlwkfjejf
Luuuc
Years ago
Patty, accept the foul and STFU. You don't want them going to the video for that contact to the "throat"
Perthworld
Years ago
We basically now have the last shot of the game. Still 78-78 15s to go we have 14s shot clock.
I have a dream that one day Aus will stop turning the ball over
Perthworld
Years ago
Spain foot violation to reset our clock to 14s with 16.3s left. Not bad considering the breakdown on that possession.
Perthworld
Years ago
I have a dream that despite our 3049309403903 turnovers that we medal.
Perthworld
Years ago
Spain can't believe they're getting called for grabbing the opposition. I kind of can't either.
Not gonna lie, Mills made it look like Zion Williamson hit him or something lol
AussiePride
Years ago
Mills playing the flop game but it has been absolutely necessary to keep us in it.
Perthworld
Years ago
Delly not a bad shot but no good. Double overtime.
Perthworld
Years ago
Luuuc I won't update since you are - I'm watching on Kayo stream not Fox at home which is obviously faster.
Luuuc
Years ago
If I stop updating it's probably because I've had a heart attack.
Perthworld
Years ago
The guy with the Foxtel Go issue got me thinking - what a travesty that this isn't on free to air TV for the masses to see.
Luuuc
Years ago
Ouch. Spain off to a good start here. Blanketing Patty.
Goulding subs in. Not a bad call with Joe refusing to shoot
No way we can survive double OT again this Spanish team
Luuuc
Years ago
ESP 90
AUS 82
2:06 left and it's going to take a serious rescue mission from here
W deserved to lose, couldn't keep our heads from the 3/4. It was hero ball.
Luuuc
Years ago
Baynes for 3 to keep us alive.
Silly foul by Creek though
Btown
Years ago
Spain the first team to shut down patty late knowing no one else would step up
Luuuc
Years ago
2OT is really not what a fatigued team needed going into the bronze medal game
Perthworld
Years ago
If only Mills hit that second free throw in regulation...
Aus really blew it. They could have won with OT.
Ran out of gas in the end, I'm proud of how they played this tournament
Chokers once again. Great effort but this team lost there minds today.
told you we are never going to medal with average nbl players. What have gliddon, Barlow, sobey contributed in this tournament ?
AussiePride
Years ago
There is almost no point in playing for Bronze now. It doesn't mean anything after this.
If aus stopped the turnovers, they could easily defeat a full-power USA.
25 points from turnovers, can't win games like that. Inglis looked absolutely gone physically.
Going to be hard to win bronze now.
Tim
Years ago
Ingles hesitation to shoot the ball is incredible. Woeful.
He is actually one of the least 'clutch' players ever.
Has the same problem in the nba, but here nobody 'tells him what to do' with the boomers. So he gets away with cruising along in 3rd gear.
Ingles must be injured and/or severely fatigued. He's been entirely unwilling to shoot for about 3 games now, and it's hurt us.
Luuuc
Years ago
We really should have won it in regulation. The offense went super-passive down the stretch.
told you we are never going to medal with average nbl players. What have gliddon, Barlow, sobey contributed in this tournament ?
Baller#3
Years ago
There is that extra days rest for spain. So handy in the end for them to have extra rest but we should of obviously iced it before OT.
AngusH
Years ago
Ah well, we had our chances. Tough loss to a great team, but can't help but feel we shot ourselves in the foot more so than we straight up lost.
AussiePride
Years ago
What really hurts is I think for the first time against Spain we were the better team. Just couldn't shoot and turned it over way too much.
Tim
Years ago
We looked like dinosaurs out there towards the end.
Given that you cant feel bad. We were terrible for the last 15 minutes.
Sad
Years ago
7th game - 26 hour shorter turnaround and double overtime. Fair thing would be for all QF games played on the same night so all 4 teams have the same break before the next game. Australia were always at a big physical disadvantage and amplified by double overtime
Let's keep things in perspective. Did we really expect that our Boomers would play in the Gold Medal game? How far they have come is already a win. If they win the bronze game then that is a smashing success. It would be disappointing if they lost that game however.
hoopie
Years ago
Proud of the guys for getting this far. A bit too desperate in the two OTs, which led to too many turnovers and poor shots. Such a shit that Andre had no more timeouts left at the end of 1st OT. @#$%^&*!@#$%^&*!
koberulz
Years ago
Baynes for 3 to keep us alive.If they're going to call that, they should've called the one that caused the Mills turnover at the end of regulation and this game would've been over then and there.
Silly foul by Creek though
Ingles has been disastrous. Cute passes, turning down open shots, missing what he does take probably because he second guesses it then has to shoot with no rhythm. The fact that he played basically the whole game while contributing very little (-15) was probably a mistake on Lemanis' part.
Still, I think they were fantastic tonight. The bad call on Bogut to put Spain up at the end of regulation and Patty's missed FT will haunt us for a while. The errors in the OTs were forgivable given Spain had the extra rest and our best guys were out of legs.
Kay was fantastic and should be a lock for Tokyo. Whether we take bronze on Sunday or not, this group have shown that they deserve a chance next year.
Its a shame Simmons won't play in Olympics and Exum will probably be injured...
AngusH
Years ago
Yeah sloppy, passive game from Ingles, no doubt. Fatigue I think.
Nostraballmus
Years ago
Nostraballmus is gutted considering we were up 11 deep in the third.
Scariolo adjusted, and we looked a bit like we had no plan B.
Proud of the effort but I'm done with proud.
rusty83
Years ago
We choked, pure and simple. You could see the writing on the wall in the 4th quarter when Delly kept missing open 3s and Joe was top scared to shoot the ball. Meanwhile ESP were knocking down most of their 3s and walking the ball to the basket for easy 2s.
The Aussies need to take their focus off winning gold medals and simply trying to maintain their mental focus for a whole game of basketball. You can just see in the tight moments the weight of the world falling on their shoulders, the pressure is simply too immense and they go into their shells, unable to win and desperately trying not to lose.
Kay needs to be more confident. He was worried out of a few easy shots tonight. If he hit them, it could've ended different
AngusH
Years ago
Kay did much more good than bad, but missed a couple of key bunnies too. But so did Landale to be fair. I don't think landale should start in the 3rd place game to be honest, see how he does with the 2nd unit.
Btown
Years ago
Considering this team effectively lost a rotation when Bolden spat the dummy and replaced with a guy that was never going to see minutrs. We were always going to fatigue. Hope Bolden is out of the Olympic squad
Was having a few bevvies with the great Alan Black tonight. What a shit show
Bring back Shorter
Years ago
Credit to Lemanis getting the team this far and obviously well liked by the group
Well Creek proved he is rubbish, critical turnover in clutch time, pathetic
rjd
Years ago
That was the most stressed I've ever felt watching a game.
Aussie 9 men rotation
Years ago
we need Bolden and Adel instead kay, if we want to medal
Motum should have been on this squad instead of Kay, better D and doesn't miss layups,
Anyone who says Kay sux after tonight can go suck a lemon
Ingles been pretty arrogant. Always trying to craft something out of nothing.
Any one who knocks any player that played today are losers who have never done anything. Nine man rotation ask your self how many Spain used nine you fu.k wits.
Great effort boomers an extra day off would've helped so tiredness crept in but well played and coached by all.
Bring back Shorter
Years ago
Well done to Kay. Played world class and great selection for the team even against the advice from experts on this forum.
If you guys watch Euroleague you would have had Motum over Kay, and why wasn't Landale in the game? Lamelameass provides again.
Luuuc
Years ago
Well done to Kay. Played world class and great selection for the team even against the advice from experts on this forum.
Everyone needs to calm down. The boomers were big underdogs in this match and they were for a reason, and it was the reason we lost. This Spain team is a powerhouse with experience on the world stage. Of course they are going to have a cool head in crunch time. Did we have our chances? Certainly. But the fact we had our chances shows how well this team did. If you asked if the boomers would be playing to get into the gold medal match two weeks ago you would be crazy. Now we have a shot at a bronze medal. Let's be honest our goal really has been to get a medal. You can believe this team will be hungry to win that game. I suspect we will be playing Argentina and I suspect we will make history on Sunday night with a podium finish.
koberulz
Years ago
Honestly? After that, and the schedule leading up to it, I would be unsurprised to see us get beat handily on Sunday.
Bring back Shorter
Years ago
Blah Blah... "Lemanis should have picked..." "Lemanis should have not rotated...." ....What a bunch of sad sacks. He got us to a semi final
kay is at best a role player in the NBL, would not make any decent team in Europe or NBA. he sucks
hoopie
Years ago
Even if Kay goes as 12th man, he MUST be included in the Olympic squad for his performances in the WC and for what he will bring in a year's time!
Big Ads
Years ago
If I feel exhausted and gutted how must the players feel!
I'm still proud of the team and I'll be supporting them come Sunday.
we would have won the gold with adel, green and bolden, it is all Lemannis' faults
Shagnasty
Years ago
Sorry but Joe hasn't been great this tourney and it was pretty evident tonight. Unfortunately he doesn't show up at these big tournaments for Oz. The guy almost had the best 3 point % in the NBA a few years back and this should have been his event in the department......
Baller#3
Years ago
What is this key hate? He might have a smaller role but he will be in the team for Tokyo without a doubt. Hes basically a tall Delly and I think that is valuable for sure.
Wow, hell of a game. Mills and Kay brilliant. That pair kept us in front almost the whole game.
Can't prepare for Ingles and Goulding shooting 1/12 from 3 between them. Or Delly and Mills having 13 turnovers between them. Some great players just weren't quite able to carry us one more time. They are great players though, let's hope they can dig deep for Sunday.
koberulz
Years ago
Kay was easily in our top 2-3 players over the course of the tournament.
a more athletic forward is what we need, not kay, he is too slow.
How good was that Delly heave and that sweet three airball
Makur Makur
Years ago
I was definitely wrong about Kay, he was unbelievable tonight, glad we didn't pick Adel.
hoopie
Years ago
Neither. I'm an experienced coach & ex-player who recognises the value of players regardless of which league they come from or how big their contract or ego or Twitter following is.
Bring back Shorter
Years ago
"we would have won the gold with adel, green and bolden, it is all Lemannis' faults"
Wow tell me the tattslotto numbers champ! Outside your fantasy squad: The entire squad put in 100% and we didnt get it done in 2nd OT.
Well done to the entire team!
hoopie
Years ago
and great job by Lemanis and the coaching staff to get us here and have us in the game almost to the end against the Spanish powerhouse
proud
Years ago
Extremely deflating, we did so much right in this game and other than turnovers and Goulding throwing up rubbish when we needed him (not hating on him but his shot didn't look like it would drop in the second half).
Immensely proud of Nick Kay and how he performed for us. I wouldn't say he's a lock for Tokyo but he will be hard to displace.
I know others don't care about Bronze but I still want it. This game will cause so much mental scarring and hopefully a bronze will alleviate some of that going forward.
Will this loss hurt how this sport is seen in Australia ?
I feel like we needed that gold medal game to really hammer home the momentum that this sport has seen of late.
Go Boomers
kay is so good, but has been a basketball journeyman all this life. How does this work ? If he is good how come no big European club or NBA club has snapped him up ?
Everyone cares about bronze, it would be our first ever medal at the highest level.
Hard loss to stomach, but it was great to see the boomers do so well.
I'm really excited to see Brokeoff, exum and Simmons join this squad - we were really short some guards and wings this tourney, given how run down delly and ingles were.
Bolden would have helped tonight a lot
rjd
Years ago
Boomers took Spain again all the way as underdogs, with a day less rest, appearing tired, and nearly stole the win. Obviously could've gone either way. I'd like to be able to say refereeing wasn't a factor, but it's as much to do with the Spanish acting.
Both teams appeared tired. The extra day rest was surely beneficial to Spain being on the FIBA-assisted half of the draw.
With late game exhaustion kicking in, Spain effectively ran some basic pick-n-rolls, the good old NBA-style option when you are required to play so many games/minutes. This is the case where running a system like Lemanis is a tough ask, especially in 2OT after a tough schedule. Ingles has the capacity to run this action too to generate some easy baskets without too much action from others, but he was strangely passive. Without Ingles's scoring threat, teams can adjust and nullify him too easily.
Still have a chance to steal a bronze medal. It's already Australia's best tournament ever IMO.
We know for sure Sobey, Gliddon and Barlow won't be there inn2020.
It looks likely creek and Kay might not make it also. Gouldingbalso on the fence.
5-6 new players coming in.
goulding, kay, sobey, gliddon, Barlow should take further part in this team if we want to medal in tokyo
Does Bogut get cut, has looked real lazy half the time.
koberulz
Years ago
Will this loss hurt how this sport is seen in Australia ?No. It'll be roundly ignored.
Btown
Years ago
Nuffy anon trashing Kay. Probably the same one, no balls to put a name down
If you had to point a finger it would be it wouldn't be at him. Played 10x the expectation people had of him, especially when landale just isn't strong enough yet, but still gets scapegoated. He wasn't the ball handlers dishing out turnovers like candy, or missing crucial 3s during the game.
Ingles was the most disappointing just disappeared and sat in the corner when they needed him do try and be a scoring option
robt
Years ago
OK! So we are all heartbroken. Reckon that that game will be seen as the best game, overall. A mighty effort by both teams. Congrats and Damnation to the Spaniards.
Let's all cheer the Boomers through their next and last game of this WC against .. whomever? They have been oustanding, IMO, learnt and progressed at nearly every step.
If any of them are silly enough to read our comments, let's let them know that we are there for them to the last.
Go Boomers, here comes our first medal! Bronze may even become my favorite colour!
Steven
Years ago
If you said prior to the warm up games v Canada that Australia would be playing for Bronze you would take that in a heartbeat.
Still so much to play for still a medal up for grabs.
Well done fellas.
Gus3232
Years ago
So proud and heartbroken all in the one night. Shattering loss but massive effort. The toll on the teams stars gradually wore them down. Let's grab that bronze as a stepping stone for Tokyo.
paul
Years ago
Exactly! They are 6-1 and that only loss was to Spain in 2OT!
They've been amazing, the best Boomers team ever by a margin. I think it will be very hard to back up on Sunday and win bronze, but bloody hell hope they can do it.
A squad and coaching staff that showed all the smarts until they needed it most. The Offence fell apart. The switching on Gasol never worked but no adjustments made.
No one wanted to shoot the ball for fear of missing/being blocked.
Coach going with Kay/Bogut not Landale (for some more minutes) and Baynes, refusing to switch things up with Goulding and Creek as they had all tournament more signs of a group that had too much pressure on their shoulders in this one.
Played against a great team and lost composure when they needed it the most. Tough to get back to their best in time for a bronze game against one of two very good teams. Another 4th coming for the Boomers.
We've been playing with pretty much 7 guys on full minutes.
When you space that with the 9-10 guys playing major minutes for other teams, aus players are playing almost 2 games more in minutes over the journey. 1 less day of rest also.
Everyone saying we're playing for Bronze on Sunday are the Shane Heals and Andrew Gazes of the world constantly annoyingly hyping and over estimating the performance or possible outcome - lower your expectations - after that loss which takes a huge mental toll and quite clearly the players were gassed I would not be surprised if the Boomers are flogged Sunday
Flop Warning
Years ago
Fucking gutted :(
That was hard to watch. Too many repressed memories came flooding back. But i still feel proud at where we find ourselves, given what we had to do to get here.
What is with these moron troll anons bagging out kay? He was massive tonight. If he had done nothing else all tourny he justified his inclusion in the team just from tonights performance. Clearly must be just taking the piss. Or just dont watch the game.
Lets get that bronze.
Im going back to more heavy drinking.
Kay was great tonight but his lack of confidence going one on one showed a few times when he was worried out of some easy buckets
Luuuc
Years ago
Post game comment from Luc Longley:
"Spain gets kissed on the dick by the basketball gods every time we play them."
Flop Warning
Years ago
Yeah thats true. But several of those were 1v1 against gasol.
How often does anyone really expect him to win that?
His mistakes and misses were heavily outweighed by his good screens, box out o rebounds and defensive plays. However you look at it. He was one of our best tonight.
"moron troll anons" from someone calling themselves Flop Warning. Kay was great on the Offence Boards, but gave up 2 lay ups which he should have just dunked because he was scared of being blocked. Had his moments but you can't miss those shots when trying to reach a Gold Medal game.
Dave Q
Years ago
Joey... mate! Whats doing with Joey Ingles? Seemed... adverse to shooting the ball. Not what I expected.
Flop Warning
Years ago
Meh, if you dont know the reason why my name is flop warning. Im not going to explain it to you.
My name has little to do with what i said. So thanks for pointing out that you are one of those "moron troll anons" that knows nothing about bball.
This World Cup format meant teams playing one too many games (8 games) to win a medal in such a short period - its not an excuse why Boomers lost to Spain just that you are not going to get the best basketball if the players/teams are exhausted. Tonights game should have been the final played on Sunday with two full days rest for each team.
By comparison with FIFA world cup 2018 - the champion France played a total 7 games not 8.
US/Aus/Wimbledon/French Open is also over 2 weeks and the finalist play a total of 7 matches.
using "Flop Warning" as your "Name" is the actual definition of Anonymous. Given I answered your question I can't see how I'm the troll here?
Flop Warning
Years ago
The only question i asked, technically. Is how often does anyone expect kay to beat gasol in a 1v1. And you didnt answer that...
I put a name to the things i say, you dont. I think its pretty obvious what you need to do.
Btw. That wasnt a question.
Flop Warning isn't a name. You asked why people were frustrated (hating) on Kay. I explained one possible reason.
Flop Warning
Years ago
Have a good night mate. This is a pointless conversation. And it doesn't interest me.
Wanna talk about it further, choose a name. Im not getting involved with discussions with an anon. Hate my name choice if you want, but there is a specific reason it is what it is.
Perthworld
Years ago
That was the most stressed I've ever felt watching a game.
Big Ads
Years ago
Meanwhile, in South London, argh screw the cricket. I'm going to bed.
Yes Inglis looked like an old man, just hasn't been himself the last few games, he never sat on a seat at time outs, sat on what looked like an high esky. I wonder if he’s got back problems. Kay was great but for a couple of give me misses, tiredness can be a factor in this. Don’t see Kay in nba but could get a very healthy contract in good euro league team.
Looks like we will be playing France for bronze
ME
(he/kangaroo)
Years ago
I don't think anyone can fault Kay tonight. How many offensive boards did he get? How many times was he inexplicably in the right place at the right time to put the ball in the hole? It was a superlative effort from Kay and he was one of our best on the day.
All of our players came up big for three and half quarters, but the experience and sheer talent of Spain was always lying in waiting, ready to boil over as soon as the opportunity arose. We failed to put our foot on their throat at key moments of the game and it cost us the game. Now, referee calls aside, and there were some head-scratchers, we had our chances multiple times and came up lacking.
As for Lemanis, I can't put that on Lemanis. This is largely the players. They looked scared out there when things got hot. They looked like they were truly haunted by Rio ghosts passed. Lemanis didn't miss sitters and didn't miss freethrows.
Regardless, if someone told me we were fight for bronze before this tournament with the way the Canada game looked, I would have been ecstatic. The bronze medal game is almost as important as the gold in the context of Australian basketball. Being the first team to medal isn't just a consolation, it's an achievement and verification of our place in the basketball world, and THAT goal still stands ready for the taking. I'm not going to bemoan what could have been when this team still has a piece of history to be made.
Luuuc
Years ago
Spot on, ME.
Though it will take an incredible effort to bounce back from the devastation - both mental and physical - of tonight's defeat and win a bronze. I've got so much admiration and respect for this group, but I fear we will be blown out on Sunday by whoever we play (which is looking like being France).
ME
(he/kangaroo)
Years ago
We rebounded well from the humiliating Serbia loss in Rio to 'almost' win bronze last time. I expect that they should be able to come in with the right attitude to the next game.
koberulz
Years ago
The Serbia game was over about two minutes in. Not the same situation at all.
ME
(he/kangaroo)
Years ago
I guess we will see. What will be will be in the end. Fourth wont be a result to sneeze at, but it wont be the result anyone necessarily wanted.
Perthworld
Years ago
Everyone needs to calm down. The boomers were big underdogs in this match and they were for a reason, and it was the reason we lost.
Perthworld
Years ago
If I feel exhausted and gutted how must the players feel!
ME
(he/kangaroo)
Years ago
I think Australia were underdogs but the manner that the loss came is backbreaking. Fronting up against France on Sunday will be tough for these guys. I really hope they find it in themselves to really fight for this, and I hope - for ONCE in Australian basketball fucking history - they're rewarded with something shiny.
rjd
Years ago
This Boomers team IS the best ever. Not the best talent nor deepest (Rio was better), but they have produced the best results. Even if they get blown out in the bronze medal game.
Even if they lost again, that's 6-2, the best record ever for a Boomers team in a major tournament. Have the Boomers even beaten European teams twice in a WC? In this WC, we are 3-1 with the only loss in 2OT versus Spain. So many people hold unreasonably high expectations of the Boomers. Even 4th is a massive achievement. If we grab that bronze, it deserves a parade, or at least widespread media praise, not that the Australian media ever gives the national basketball team any respect. It's understandable to be disappointed, but if you are visiting this forum you are likely to be enough of a diehard basketball fan that you should be able to appreciate the quality of basketball coming from this team.
rjd
Years ago
How is it that posters are criticising Kay after this game, of all games? There must be some serious selective memory and confirmation bias going on.
Kay has been playing better and better as the campaign has gone on.
Kay was the only player to play UP to the occasion.
Ingles went missing as a scoring threat. Baynes was kept quiet, getting no looks inside the 3pt line. Delly wasn't looking threatening except for some open looks from 3. Goulding was cold/off/rushed/pressured/psyched out. Mills was under immense pressure and needed 25 shots to get to his 34 points, which is still respectable, but he was our only reliable scorer. It was our garbage guys that kept us in the game by cleaning up on the boards -- Bogut with tip-ins and Kay with 7 o-boards. People complaining about Kay missing shots: he was 7/11 for 2s! That was from smart positioning, clever cuts, good rebounding position, knowing where to go. Lemanis was absolutely right to push him above Landale in the rotation. He had 16 and 11 against Spain FFS!
Raw athleticism can be valuable. It gets onto the highlight reel. But basketball still values smarts. Basketball IQ is extremely valuable. Frankly, there shouldn't be an argument any more about Kay -- he manages to put in good performances from his basketball smarts, even at this level.
Looking towards Tokyo, Kay has asserted himself as more of lock than any other Aussie 4-man, assuming we don't classify Simmons as a 4.
Captain Obvious
Years ago
A really tough loss, but in the end Spain deserved to win. They executed great offence after great offence, where we went stagnant.
Unfortunately, Lemanis chose to play 5 guys (plus one centre rotation) through the last quarter and both overtimes. During that period Kay was good on O boards, Bogut could score on tip ins only and Delay and Ingles were ZERO threat to score. Once Spain shut down Patty we had zero other scoring options.
I can understand why he stuck with the guys he did, but Lemanis needed to get some other scoring options in to the game sooner. It was clear Ingles was having a shocker, he needed to be taken out of the game.
Very tough and disappointing and unfortunately I can't see us beating France. The medal wait might have to be a bit longer.
UseTaHoop
Years ago
Isaac, question below:
Long thread here too. 19th on the "most replies" sorted topics list. (Some of the longest threads are whole season state league/ old SEABL threads).
I noticed also that there were other WC 2019 threads with a lot of replies.
There has been debate about publicity/ broadcast/ public interest/ crowds/ YouTube hits/ twitter followers etc
Question to Isaac: what are the numbers like for subscription to the hoops site? I think most agree that posters here are more dedicated fans, not the casuals on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc. Are there now more diehards who've joined the hoops community? We’re more likely to stick around than the casual fans, so an increase here would be a good sign for longer term improvement in fan base.
^^^
Like the question, I think some the anti nbl players in the boomers post come from a few running numerous accounts.
LV
Years ago
Shattered.
Proud of this team, but just so disappointed right now.
Zodiac
Years ago
I'm not shattered before the tournament we would've taken making it to the bronze medal game that was always considered our best possible result. IMO, we were the worst team in the SF (we needed Baynes to go off 5/6 3pt to sneak past France) and the two best teams all tournament are now in the gold medal game. We didn't deserve silver.
It's going to be hard but we need to regroup and go hard one last time to try and create history by winning our first medal. I think France are likely to win this time as all of our offensive options outside of Mills have fallen away now that we've been heavily scouted but we really need to throw caution to the wind tomorrow night.
This team is probably our best chance yet to win a medal.
rjd
Years ago
Apparently there have only been 19 double-doubles posted by Boomers players in WC/Olympic history. Kay's was the first to do it off the bench.
LV
Years ago
Kay has seriously impressed me.
The guy goes from strength to strength.
He's a team first guy who plays smart. No wonder he was om a 27 game winning streak.
Zodiac
Years ago
He isn't we lost three warm up games before the tournament and then lost last night too, that was just something that Rugby nuffy came up with and thought sounded good.
Aside from that Kay too has impressed me in this tournament doing all the little things well and I'm willing to admit I was wrong about Motum needing to be picked ahead of him. We have missed Motum's outside shooting though but likely wouldn't be as good with him in instead of Kay.
LV
Years ago
Warm up games shouldn't be counted.
Kay was certainly a huge part of Perth's success last season, and has impressed in his role with the Boomers.
Luuuc
Years ago
He stepped up to international mode almost seamlessly. And if he can be as consistent with his 3 point shot with the Boomers as he has become in the NBL then his value goes up another level again.
3P% across his first 3 NBL seasons was ~ 31%. Last season was 43.6%. I want to see him letting it fly with confidence this season.
ME
(he/kangaroo)
Years ago
Kay has been great. I don't think anyone can fault Kay over Motum after this series. It was absolutely the right decision.
paul
Years ago
"Apparently there have only been 19 double-doubles posted by Boomers players in WC/Olympic history. Kay's was the first to do it off the bench."
Kay's was also the first ever double-double by a Boomer in a knockout or medal round game. Pretty impressive.
Perthworld
Years ago
Kay was oh so close to a Triple Crown:
[X] NBL
[X] NZNBL
[ ] FIBA World Cup
Would've been an amazing 2019 for him. Well, it still is.
rjd
Years ago
https://youtu.be/iAcmyVbzq3A
"Spain Beats Australia in FIBA World Championships Semi Final 2019"
BBALLBREAKDOWN
Isaac
Years ago
Question to Isaac: what are the numbers like for subscription to the hoops site? I think most agree that posters here are more dedicated fans, not the casuals on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc. Are there now more diehards who've joined the hoops community? We're more likely to stick around than the casual fans, so an increase here would be a good sign for longer term improvement in fan base.I don't have time day to day to pay attention to formal subscriptions or anything like that. I do occasionally check site stats for visitorship and they are solid over the years. Given a lot of interest would've gone to Twitter (where there are more than casuals too), I'd guess combined interest would be higher. e.g., Hoops has at least stayed level or slightly higher while Twitter chatter has also grown. It's also hard to gauge because years back there was huge interest on here for Central ABL, school threads (until I blocked most schools), etc. International tournaments are always boom times here. Then we go to NBL and NBA. It might be that while there is a great option in r/NBA for NBA news/chat, there's less competition for Boomers-specific stuff.
koberulz
Years ago
Would the uptick in mid 2015 coincide with Kestleman taking over the league?
Isaac
Years ago
Doesn't appear to. Boomers games - tour and Oceania qualifying? Top threads by reply count for threads started during July-August 2015 are:
Boomers vs Tall Blacks, 15 Aug 2015Too rushed to count actual posts from those periods so there could be big ones from days in June.
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