Perthworld
Two months ago

World Cup SF: Boomers vs. Spain

Friday 4pm local (and Perth) time.

Thanks FIBA for the short turnaround.

Let's win this to guarantee a medal!

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Dave  
Two months ago

that is bloody quick, perthworld. Lol

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Will be great to win but Spain will be very hard. Sensational guards and bigs. Hopefully boomers got another big game in them, be great to get to gold medal game.

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Aussiepride  
Two months ago

If you talk to Matt Russell we are already through to the Gold Medal game. Does that mean we don't even have to turn up Friday night?

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Early odds: AUS $2.67 $1.60 ESP

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Tim  
Two months ago

Australia now firming in the betting strongly Spain 1.72 Australia 2.00

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Aussiepride  
Two months ago

Argentina at $3 against France. France at $1.40 Get on the Argies!

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

FIBA scheduled it early so not to clash with the West Coast v Geelong final. They will make sure Spain win to purposefully avoid any risk of the game going into overtime

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D2.0  
Two months ago

Has Baynes been carrying an injury, or is it something that happened in the game?

He was benched and shirted about halfway through the last, and was clearly in pain just trying to get his shirt on. Then seemed to be nursing his right arm or shoulder.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Looked to me like he got hurt taking the charge. Started to get up and then fell down again.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

Yeah I noticed that, but I thought maybe he was just winded?
I'll try going back and having another look

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D2.0  
Two months ago

Had another look. Not sure what happened with that charge. He definitely went down again. Might have just been a knock to the guts or maybe even nuts.

Seemed to moving ok in the 4th, maybe slightly favouring his right arm, but not much at all.
Definite grimacing when putting on his shirt, but hopefully just a niggle he's carrying.

Going to him and all the starters firing for the Spaniards.

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Baller#3  
Two months ago

Spain get the extra days break which could be crucial at this stage of the tournament. We did at times look a bit gassed last night too I thought.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

The rhythm of playing every second day might help. These things can go either way.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

I agree, Baller#3
That extra day is really valuable right now

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Cram  
Two months ago

The extra day's rest is big, especially when you consider the Boomers go from playing the latest timeslot of the tournament and then have to back up 43 hours later. Spain have had a full 3 days rest.

The biggest hurdle against Spain is that they replicate a lot of what has been successful for us - battle hardened vets that have played together for years. Only they've done it in the biggest of games.

We can definitely get them, but I think we are underdogs. I don't think that's a bad thing though, as I think Australia plays better when they're chasing rather than being chased.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Significant differences in rest should be scheduled early in the tournament. Quarters were played across different venues, so there's no reason they couldn't all have been on the same day.

The Boomers will be so motivated for this game, but it's a huge difference in recovery periods and definitely gives Spain an edge.

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paul  
Two months ago

Also, we should be wearing green uniforms on Friday.

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LV  
Two months ago

Boomers were a touch sloppy in that first half last night. Czech don't look as good as France or Lithuania. They were mixing up the defensive looks more than other opponents had, but it was disappointing how they made the Boomers look out of sync.

Hopefully the Boomers pattern of the whole tournament continues for the next game- one good game, one somewhat off game, then another good one...and so on.

Extra days rest makes Spain the slight favourites.

On the other hand, Spain have started slow in this tourney- were down double digits vs both Tunisia and Iran- Iran jumped them 10-0. Serbia and Puerto Rico led them at quarter time. I'm hoping the Boomers get the jump, and then ride on a wave of confidence and keep the lead.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Boomers were a touch sloppy in that first half last night.

We were, which is why I'm hoping Paul is right about Friday being a return to the green uniforms. That's probably the biggest single factor in whether we can win.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

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Senator11  
Two months ago

That extra day break Spain get is massive. Friday nights gonna be great, Boomers followed by West Coast vs Geelong! :D

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ME  
Two months ago

I think Baynes will probably be alright but clearly needed to be rested. Our bigs will be well rested moving forward, and none of our guards played much over 30.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Does anybody know if any of the 3 refs who did our game against Spain in Rio, are also at this tournament?

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Ballalld4y  
Two months ago

What a game this will be, on paper I'd expect it to be the toughest game of the tournament.

Spain in a similar position to us, whereby these had the same core @ international level for a number of years now.

Rubio has been firing and they've been getting even contributions across the board and again, similar to us they play beautiful fundamental team bball sharing the ball.

We need one of those perfect games again similar to to our France performance.

Last nights game whilst gritty just wont get it done, too sloppy with the turnovers and need some scoring support behind Patty. Will need significant scoring contributions from Joe and Baynes.

Win this and we're in Pole position for that Gold you'd think!




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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I don't know that a win over Spain makes us favourites for gold. A second win against France is probably going to be just as hard if not harder to get than the first. If Argentina knock them off, maybe.

My hope is that Jingles is overdue a great game and if Mills keeps firing, it doesn't take much from the rest of the crew to elevate us to a really high levle.

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Bear  
Two months ago

Thanks Luuc for posting that video, yes we owe them one for the flop but with 5 seconds to go we did botch the next possession when we should have at least done the same and driven to the rack to try and draw a foul!

Let's get over that now and rewrite history, GO BOOMERS!

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Cram  
Two months ago

Yeah we needed career shooting night by Baynes and a few missed bunnies by France to get that game. Yes we made some big plays, but you can't rely on that all the time. I would say any of the 4 teams is more than capable of winning the gold if they play near their best. That is pretty exciting.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

I know its all about sticking to the plan and going with what works...

But:
I think we have a better team, but they have some stars who are capable of destroying us all on their own.

Rubio might be the best PG left in the comp, and he carries that team. Can Delly shut him down? That could be the key to the game.
If Delly's off, or gets into foul trouble we need maybe CG to try and keep him contained.

Gasol has been having a great tourney. He has been dominant, and playing good minutes. His backup is ok, without being great.
I don't know if Baynes can contain him? Should we start Bogut??

The battle between Jingles & Fernandez is going to be epic.

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Craig  
Two months ago

Baynes will do a better job than Bogut because Gasol knows how to use his size and Baynes can match up with him physically.

Do we go with Delly / Creek for containing Rubio?

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Mervan  
Two months ago

Two best teams in the tournament left for mine

Should be the gold game

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Rubio does not carry the team, they have another guy in llull.

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Ballalld4y  
Two months ago

Somne wouldve argued that tonights playoff for 5th shouldve been the gold game haha.

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Mervan  
Two months ago

That's true

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SuperDuperCoach  
Two months ago

Boomers at risk because they rely too much on the 3 ball. Would love to see more emphasis on transition. Boomers also exposed on the curious way they've chosen to defend the on ball screens, giving away a midrange every time. On the other hand it was great to see Bogey sticking the points away late in the Czech game, more of that please. And I agree with a few others that Ingles is due a big game.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Delly and Patty full court aggressive pressure has been the key!!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Llull is a gun, there guards are extremely good.

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Mervan  
Two months ago

Like the video but hate it.

I think on the last Aus possession it was tipped away on a pass. So in my mind we can't blame lemon grass for that.

Also watching the video can't help thinking broekoff would be a nice distraction sitting in the corner!

Also I am loving that Paul isn't there to destroy us.

Not confident but optimistic for a win

(Also since I haven't watched the last two games live I will be abstaining in case I jinx them)

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Stevo  
Two months ago

Most important basketball game of my life.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

"Rubio does not carry the team, they have another guy in llull"

What, a basketball team with more than one guard? Whoever heard of such a thing.

Rubio is the most important player on their team. If we can shut him down (without letting their other players run amok) we could win this game.
Of course it is never that simple. But it will be interesting to watch the match-ups.

Spain has not been a huge 3-point team, so it will be interesting to see if our strategy of conceding the mid-range works

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paul  
Two months ago

Yeah nah, Spain are anything but a one-man team, and they are team that's excellent with their counters, so shutting down one guy usually opens up another.

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D2.0  
Two months ago

Where did I say they were a one man team? Or anything even remotely close to that?

As I pointed out, they have THREE guys who are exceptional, and I thought worthy of mention. In point of fact their entire starting 5 is impressive, as you would expect. Their starting Forward, (Clavier?) is no slouch and probably a better allround player than Landale.

But Rubio is a class above. He was on fire against the Pols.
As I said, its not that simple. He's had one off game, against IRAN,
so nobody has been able to shut him down.

Sorry if it offends people to point out that anybody but Australia has great players. As I said, the way GC has been playing, and even Kay & Creek. I think we have a better 8~9 man rotation than Spain, so a better team, but they do have some better players.

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

There are great match ups across the board,

Delly/Creek v Rubio
Ingles v Fernandez
Baynes v Claver/Willy H
Bogut v Gasol
Mills/Goulding v Llull/Ribus
Landale/Kay v Juancho H/Oriola

Hopefully Joey has some personal insight which gives Australia an effective strategy to blunt Ricky's influence.

But, as mentioned, Spain have multiple guys who can be game winners on the biggest international stage so shutting down Ricky is only one part of the puzzle.

I think the Spanish are jtst as worried about Mills and Co and like 2016 I anticipate a tight match. To close to call but I hope Australia prevails.

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Dave Q  
Two months ago

Jeez I can't wait for this one.

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Senator11  
Two months ago

I feel like Fernandez has been playing for 30+ years, guys just keeps going.

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robt  
Two months ago

I see a case for starting Creek on Rubio with the sole purpose of upsetting his rhythm. I can't see a case for not starting Delly though (or anyone else).

If you're prepared to throw caution to the wind for the sake of this game and do the above, then it would be easier to replace Creek in the starting 5 with Sobey with express instructions that Rubio is shut down. Even to the extent of fouling to stop him. Give him hell, just short of dirty or thuggish (I don't ever want to see that). Just to try so hard that he will cause fouls anyway. Just stop him early. He has the speed, he sees himself as a bit of a bulldog and, with all due respect for Sobey, he is more expendable than Creek as things stand.

Then Delly, and he's no slouch on D and can take over running the team resting Mills and Ingles from pressures they, no doubt, have been receiving without having to sub out of the game. He's also that little bit fresher than Rubio, hasn't been hassled for the 2 or 3 mins of Sobey's involvement and hopefully, Rubio has picked up a foul cos Sobey has pissed him off so much.

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robt  
Two months ago

I am sure that post is utter rubbish. I often sit hear and let my feeble thoughts go wild while I practise keyboard skills. I delete 99% of them. I hit the wrong button this time. IGNORE THE ABOVE.

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hoopie  
Two months ago

I can see team fouls being critical in this game as both teams target the stars in order to shut them down. There will be a lot of aggro from Australia who want revenge, and from Spain who want that GF spot and think they deserve it.

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Greggo  
Two months ago

Think we'll need more Bogut and less Baynes for this matchup. Hopefully Bogues feels good physically and stays out of foul trouble. I think his length at the rim and on the boards will be key.

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No. 1 Shane Heal Fan  
Two months ago

I really want to see not only a Boomers win, but Ingles to dominate.

Purely because I really, really want to see the headlines read: "Boomers advance to Gold medal game, Spain No Hablo Ingles".

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

Very good Shane Heal fan. I like it

And Robt, no need to apologise, I like your outside the box thinking. It is bold, risky and very reckless, like Deng Adel's exclusion from the Boomers World Cup team...................it might just work ;-)

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No. 2 Shane Heal Fan  
Two months ago

'Tougher than an NBA schedule': The Australian Boomers’ World Cup campaign is taking its toll

https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/fiba-world-cup/tougher-than-an-nba-schedule-the-australian-boomers-world-cup-campaign-is-taking-its-toll/news-story/d46a6fd04257d09e285accc72ec7c664

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

While everyone around him was kicking it, Nostraballmus first picked up a ball in country NSW in 1983. Very soon after he became a Boomers fan. You don't choose your team, your team chooses you.

Today is a big day. Only eight previous days since 1983 has Nostraballmus woken with the same question on his mind as today - is it Medal Day ???

GO YOU BOOMERS

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No. 2 Shane Heal Fan  
Two months ago

Joe Ingles is the Boomers' sh*t-talking extraordinaire. It all stems from having some perspective

https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/fiba-world-cup/joe-ingles-is-the-boomers-shttalking-extraordinaire-it-all-stems-from-having-some-perspective/news-story/6292dd13d80b94d1040207e938ce126e

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Hey,

Anyone have a stream for tonight? Much appreciated if you do!

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Andrew  
Two months ago

Just take a free Kayo trial to watch the game. If you have some that previously, create another email address and use it to take out another free kayo trial.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

@Andrew

You need a new mobile number to double up on Kayo trials

I signed up for the 10 day Foxtel Go trial for the games

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D2.0  
Two months ago

Best way is to sign up via (IIRC) "Bet Easy"
I went through that, didn't even have to verify the Betting account, and straight away linked through to 3 months free Kayo.

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Andrew  
Two months ago

Ah good call. I've done multiple Foxtel trials but never on Kayo.
I did the Bet Easy 3 month trial too. Talk about perfect timing :)

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D2.0  
Two months ago

This is overly simplistic but I am a little concerned in regards to our defensive strategy versus Spain's scoring.
We apparently try to limit 3-point shooting, and close-in shooting, whilst conceding the (statistically poor) mid-range.
However it appears that Spain are quite strong in that area

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Rubio 3...oh boy.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

In case someone needs the free Kayo offer ASAP here's the link with instructions:

https://www.hoops.com.au/forum/45558-2019-fiba-world-cup-how-to-watch-for-free-legall/

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Again with the turnovers. Can't afford them.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

These O-boards are frustrating

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

That airball was nice, though.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kay is solid as a rock

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Was worried how we'd go when Patty rested. We ended that quarter very well other than the late turnover.
Fkn knew that would cost us :/

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Delly you IDIOT.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Can we please stop giving up turnovers!!!!!!!!
Can't win this game by giving it up

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Really slow reaction times.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

We just have to live with these turnovers and do it the hard way yet again. It's unfortunately the Boomers style.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Delly come on.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Sergio LLOLL with a huge three

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

ROFL at that.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Get Creek out of there, utter trash

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Nup. Creek giving us some decent minutes so far. Any minutes rest we can buy for the starters this half are valuable I reckon.

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

Man this is one tough game. Hanging tough boys, keep at it.

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Hoopie  
Two months ago

Lots of barely-stationary screens from Spain, and mispronunciations from the lead commentator who's a prat. (Rubio dribbles behind the back and the commentator says he’s a magician. ROFL)

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Creek trash? Hardly. Giving great defence.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Creek doing fine,

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Respectfully disagree, travels and dumb fouls have no value. He deserves garbage minutes to give the better players a rest.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lots of Adelaide fans in here I guess lol

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yeah Creek. Good bucket and now draws a foul.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Others are turning it over too, that was a flop from Gasol, and we have 1 team foul 4mins in - Creek fouling on a mismatch isn't a bad thing.

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Hoopie  
Two months ago

Expect lots of flopping and head checks and over-acting from Spain if that's what it takes to win

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

NBL Creek is good, Boomers Creek is questionable,

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Offensive on delly? Load of shit

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Laughable offensive foul on Delly there.

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Rat10  
Two months ago

Massive flop by Fernandez.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

HT ESP 32-37 AUS

Not bad.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

HT ESP 32-37 AUS

Not bad.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Not bad at all

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

We suckin on offensive end.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

A positive is we look the better team than Spain.

A negative is we not shooting well other than Patty.

Need some Ingles threes!

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

No disrespect to our excellent defence, but I doubt Spain will shoot that poorly in the 2nd half.
Mills + Ingles = 1/6 form outside so hopefully plenty of lift to come for us as well.

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rjd  
Two months ago

Acting by Spain doesn't deserve to be rewarded.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Creek got the best +/- in the game.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Offensive on delly? Load of shit
Laughable offensive foul on Delly there.
I thought I saw the ref signal a travel. Do we know it was called a foul?

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

Both teams look like they have both played a game every second day for the past fortnight.

Boomers looking ok given the lesser recovery time, do they have enough juice to hold Spain or even pull away in the 3rd.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Have the boomers pulled out a good 3rd quarter yet?

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

The intensity in this game is off the charts. Such a potentially huge occasion. I wish they knew how much support they had back here. Time for revenge.

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

The intensity in this game is off the charts. Such a potentially huge occasion. I wish they knew how much support they had back here. Time for revenge.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kobe, it was called an offensive foul - confirmed by the play-by-play.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

The call previous on Delly was a travel kr not the one we are talking about.

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twenty four  
Two months ago

"I thought I saw the ref signal a travel. Do we know it was called a foul?"

I'm going to assume that the play-by-play having it down as an offensive foul means that it was foul...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Have the boomers pulled out a good 3rd quarter yet? "

Not since our last game: 30-18 in the 3rd vs Czech...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

2 turnovers in 90 seconds. Fuck me

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Now we force a turnover but can't convert from it. Argh.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

3 t/o's in 2.5mins...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Refs fucking us again. Spainish player jumps on Baynes - no call. Landale barely displaces his matchup - offensive foul.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Never mind. Refs remember the rules again.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

There's the difference between height and what you can get away with between NBL and NBA/Europe with that Kay mid-hook shot.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Nice run :)

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

First to 50 always wins.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I really like the fact that the way we're guarding on-ball screens is perfect for Rubio. He's exactly the guard who can't hurt us for this.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

This commentator sure gets a lot of basic things wrong about what the refs are calling

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Not a great lineup by lemanis.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Let's maintain this cushion please.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

2 cushions are better than one.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

More great hustle points for Kay

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Ten are even better!

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proud  
Two months ago

This game has been so tense so far but I'll take an 8 point lead nearing 3/4 time against Spain any day of the week.

Our defense has looked solid so far but how much gas do we have left in the tank and can we get our shot to drop soon?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ingles, cmon dude. Get ya head in the game.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Here they come

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Spain don't look good but these second and third chances are killing us.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

A final on the line, and there is no hustle from us.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Would love to see Longley coach this team

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Worst commentators ever. Matt Russell is atrocious.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

NICK KAY!!!

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Nick Kay. Training Camp form!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Onya Rubio

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Tech on Rubio for whining!

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Baynes Block!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

That's right Rick, twirl ya man bun you massive f.....

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Our game, thrown way off, Jackin shots, poor passin etc

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Again a turnover, pathetic.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Dammit Rubio. You redeemed yourself twice.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers. Our nice points cushion all but gone.

3QT ESP 51-55 AUS

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Mills has lost his head

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Turnovers are just killing our chances!

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Foul trouble update
Bogut & Landale 3
Delly 2
No one else with more than 1

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

We should be up 15 going into final qtr.

Our high iq team has brain damage at the moment.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Think that was Bogut with the bucket. Hard to tell with that ridiculous camera angle.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Mills has seriously lost his head, wtf dude.

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Rat10  
Two months ago

Looks like we'll have to beat the refs too.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Great patch by the Boomers

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Awesome D by Bogut.

NICK KAY AGAIN!!!

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Would have been nice for Ingles to splash that three, but drawing a foul and getting 2 from the alley is probably handier in the long run.

Looks like Spain are gonna try to act their way back into this one.

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hoopie  
Two months ago

agree with Rat10 - the refs starting to look a bit partial to Spanish over-acting

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kay is our best Pf today

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Joe  
Two months ago

Woah Kay making it look like a training clinic out there

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kay just knows how to play!! Landale, would have not noticed Spain was one down, but probably have run into a teammate... Still like Landal, but he has some growing to do.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

When Delly went off late 3rd and early 4th, we couldn't run properly.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Nick Kay just gets to the right spot every time

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

I love how Rubio earlier grabbed his head when he got whacked on his arm.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Ughh... again great momentum and we throw it away

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ingles, omg.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The commentators are horrendous. Nick Kay is awesome.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

turnovers hurting us!

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Nick Kay with the almost-three. Imagine if that went in.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Creeks D on Gasol been amazing

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

mmmmm, lost our cool, lookin like lost the game.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Score please

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

3:00 left ESP 65-67 AUS

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

We're having a ref mass-debate right now. Good call.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Make em count, Patty

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Awesome fouling Spain.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

In the circle!! Bad offence though.... two bad sets in a row

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Boy oh boy
The choke is on

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lol

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Kay you could of been a hero. :(

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

OFFS
This offence of ours right now is kiling me!!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Missed foul call there

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Heart attack stuff. We keep giving Spain so many opportunities.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

God they've executed so well the last few. I don't like our chances.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Boomers 70
Spain 69
28 seconds left
Spain ball.
Both teams in the bonus.

This is it.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Just the scores please

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Horrible call Mills fouled

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Sadly, Aus is going to lose =(

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Spain to the line.

We are up by one.
:(

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

8.7s left.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

That is a disgraceful call!! massive flop by gasol!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Another shit call

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

ESP 71
AUS 70
8.7 seconds left
Boomers ball.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

ESP 71-70 with 8.7s left. Time out. Our ball advanced to the half way line.

FFS too many turnovers by us.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

We had a good run. Refs just don't want Australia to win anything.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Plus these refs too.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

What is dopey bogut suggesting with the dollars signal with his fingers

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Refs bad, yeah.

But man what a choke. So many poor decisions.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Aus needs to a miracle shot.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

OMG MILLS DRAWS A FOUL

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Mills draws the foul

It's a reverse Rio

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Still 4.7 seconds left

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

71-71 one free throw to shoot

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Patty ain't gonna miss. We only need one. Come on patty!!!

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

OT!

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Mills misses the last free throw.

Rubio nearly hits a buzzer beater but it rims out.

OT :(

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Patty for MVP

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

OMG it's never easy with the Boomers, is it?

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sixtiesrockstar  
Two months ago

Boomers GOAT Gaze wouldn't have missed the free throw.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Refs continue to do their best to ruin this game.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

C'mon Joe.
You're better than this

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

So close, yet so far...

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

My heart breaks that little bit more with every farking turnover. Our blokes look gassed.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

HUGE Mills three after Gasol hit one.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Nick Kay! #NBL

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

RIP Australia

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

76-76 if anyone needs the score. 3mins left.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Nick Kay 18pts!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Nick Kay get a lot of shit, but adding him to the team has paid off

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Joe. You have to shoot it!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Thanks. Foxtel Go = fail.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

78-78 Ingles makes both free throws. 2:22 left.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Another turnover.k wjflfejwewfjewklfjwkljfkjwlwkfjejf

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Patty, accept the foul and STFU. You don't want them going to the video for that contact to the "throat"

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

We basically now have the last shot of the game. Still 78-78 15s to go we have 14s shot clock.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I have a dream that one day Aus will stop turning the ball over

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Spain foot violation to reset our clock to 14s with 16.3s left. Not bad considering the breakdown on that possession.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

I have a dream that despite our 3049309403903 turnovers that we medal.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm looking forward to the 2nd overtime. =)

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Spain can't believe they're getting called for grabbing the opposition. I kind of can't either.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Not gonna lie, Mills made it look like Zion Williamson hit him or something lol

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

AUS 80
ESP 78
14.2 seconds left

1 stop needed.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

ESP possession.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I see an open layup on this play

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Spain gonna get the 3 and win =(

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

Mills playing the flop game but it has been absolutely necessary to keep us in it.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

This is so much better than NBA.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Gasol to the line for two.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

4.2s left. Still 78-78.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

I mean 78-80 we're up by two

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

AUS 80
ESP 80
4.6 left
Booomers ball

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Gasol 2/2, 80-80, 4s left

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Delly missed the runner

DOUBLE OT

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Delly not a bad shot but no good. Double overtime.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

I picked a bad week to give up alcohol!!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I look forward to the 3rd OT =)

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The ref is disgusting, cheat

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Luuuc I won't update since you are - I'm watching on Kayo stream not Fox at home which is obviously faster.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

If I stop updating it's probably because I've had a heart attack.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

The guy with the Foxtel Go issue got me thinking - what a travesty that this isn't on free to air TV for the masses to see.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Ouch. Spain off to a good start here. Blanketing Patty.

Goulding subs in. Not a bad call with Joe refusing to shoot

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

No way we can survive double OT again this Spanish team

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Game over. Aus can't recover from this

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

:(

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

ESP 90
AUS 82
2:06 left and it's going to take a serious rescue mission from here

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Btown  
Two months ago

Well this loss will hurt for a long time

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

W deserved to lose, couldn't keep our heads from the 3/4. It was hero ball.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I reckon Exum could have stopped Rubio.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Baynes for 3 to keep us alive.
Silly foul by Creek though

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Turnover
:(

That'll probably do it

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Another turnover.
Awesome.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why does ingles refuse to shoot the ball!!

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

FFS
This is embarrassing now

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Btown  
Two months ago

Turnovers are disgusting. Choking in the clutch

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Heartbreaking loss

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

We look like some random pickup team now.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Aus too tired to play

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Final score
ESP 95
AUS 88

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

FT ESP 95-88 AUS

:(

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ingles terrible time for a crap game

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Gee boguts man going for 40

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Btown  
Two months ago

Spain the first team to shut down patty late knowing no one else would step up

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

2OT is really not what a fatigued team needed going into the bronze medal game

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

If only Mills hit that second free throw in regulation...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Aus really blew it. They could have won with OT.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Clutch shot after clutch shot

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Hoping Spain lose the gold

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ran out of gas in the end, I'm proud of how they played this tournament

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Chokers once again. Great effort but this team lost there minds today.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

told you we are never going to medal with average nbl players. What have gliddon, Barlow, sobey contributed in this tournament ?

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

There is almost no point in playing for Bronze now. It doesn't mean anything after this.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If aus stopped the turnovers, they could easily defeat a full-power USA.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

25 points from turnovers, can't win games like that. Inglis looked absolutely gone physically.

Going to be hard to win bronze now.

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Tim  
Two months ago

Ingles hesitation to shoot the ball is incredible. Woeful.

He is actually one of the least 'clutch' players ever.

Has the same problem in the nba, but here nobody 'tells him what to do' with the boomers. So he gets away with cruising along in 3rd gear.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ingles must be injured and/or severely fatigued. He's been entirely unwilling to shoot for about 3 games now, and it's hurt us.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

We really should have won it in regulation. The offense went super-passive down the stretch.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

told you we are never going to medal with average nbl players. What have gliddon, Barlow, sobey contributed in this tournament ?

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Baller#3  
Two months ago

There is that extra days rest for spain. So handy in the end for them to have extra rest but we should of obviously iced it before OT.

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Ah well, we had our chances. Tough loss to a great team, but can't help but feel we shot ourselves in the foot more so than we straight up lost.

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AussiePride  
Two months ago

What really hurts is I think for the first time against Spain we were the better team. Just couldn't shoot and turned it over way too much.

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Tim  
Two months ago

We looked like dinosaurs out there towards the end.

Given that you cant feel bad. We were terrible for the last 15 minutes.

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Sad  
Two months ago

7th game - 26 hour shorter turnaround and double overtime. Fair thing would be for all QF games played on the same night so all 4 teams have the same break before the next game. Australia were always at a big physical disadvantage and amplified by double overtime

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Let's keep things in perspective. Did we really expect that our Boomers would play in the Gold Medal game? How far they have come is already a win. If they win the bronze game then that is a smashing success. It would be disappointing if they lost that game however.

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hoopie  
Two months ago

Proud of the guys for getting this far. A bit too desperate in the two OTs, which led to too many turnovers and poor shots. Such a shit that Andre had no more timeouts left at the end of 1st OT. @#$%^&*[email protected]#$%^&*!

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Baynes for 3 to keep us alive.
Silly foul by Creek though
If they're going to call that, they should've called the one that caused the Mills turnover at the end of regulation and this game would've been over then and there.

Somehow Spain are the least responsible of the three teams on the court for that win.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ingles has been disastrous. Cute passes, turning down open shots, missing what he does take probably because he second guesses it then has to shoot with no rhythm. The fact that he played basically the whole game while contributing very little (-15) was probably a mistake on Lemanis' part.

Still, I think they were fantastic tonight. The bad call on Bogut to put Spain up at the end of regulation and Patty's missed FT will haunt us for a while. The errors in the OTs were forgivable given Spain had the extra rest and our best guys were out of legs.

Kay was fantastic and should be a lock for Tokyo. Whether we take bronze on Sunday or not, this group have shown that they deserve a chance next year.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Its a shame Simmons won't play in Olympics and Exum will probably be injured...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ingles is not a top 3 Jazz

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Aussie 9 men rotation  
Two months ago

kay a lock for tokyo ? no thanks

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Yeah sloppy, passive game from Ingles, no doubt. Fatigue I think.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Blaming the refs is such a weak cop out

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

Nostraballmus is gutted considering we were up 11 deep in the third.

Scariolo adjusted, and we looked a bit like we had no plan B.

Proud of the effort but I'm done with proud.

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rusty83  
Two months ago

We choked, pure and simple. You could see the writing on the wall in the 4th quarter when Delly kept missing open 3s and Joe was top scared to shoot the ball. Meanwhile ESP were knocking down most of their 3s and walking the ball to the basket for easy 2s.

The Aussies need to take their focus off winning gold medals and simply trying to maintain their mental focus for a whole game of basketball. You can just see in the tight moments the weight of the world falling on their shoulders, the pressure is simply too immense and they go into their shells, unable to win and desperately trying not to lose.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kay needs to be more confident. He was worried out of a few easy shots tonight. If he hit them, it could've ended different

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AngusH  
Two months ago

Kay did much more good than bad, but missed a couple of key bunnies too. But so did Landale to be fair. I don't think landale should start in the 3rd place game to be honest, see how he does with the 2nd unit.

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Btown  
Two months ago

Considering this team effectively lost a rotation when Bolden spat the dummy and replaced with a guy that was never going to see minutrs. We were always going to fatigue. Hope Bolden is out of the Olympic squad

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Was having a few bevvies with the great Alan Black tonight. What a shit show

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Bring back Shorter  
Two months ago

Credit to Lemanis getting the team this far and obviously well liked by the group

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Well Creek proved he is rubbish, critical turnover in clutch time, pathetic

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rjd  
Two months ago

That was the most stressed I've ever felt watching a game.

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Aussie 9 men rotation  
Two months ago

we need Bolden and Adel instead kay, if we want to medal

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koberulz  
Two months ago

I see Dave has a new name.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

ingles sucks in this match

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kay scored what 10 points? Creek did fuck all

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Motum should have been on this squad instead of Kay, better D and doesn't miss layups,

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

kay sucks

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Bronze medal rubbish again

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kay 18 points & 11 rebounds.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Anyone who says Kay sux after tonight can go suck a lemon

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ingles been pretty arrogant. Always trying to craft something out of nothing.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Any one who knocks any player that played today are losers who have never done anything. Nine man rotation ask your self how many Spain used nine you fu.k wits.
Great effort boomers an extra day off would've helped so tiredness crept in but well played and coached by all.

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Bring back Shorter  
Two months ago

Well done to Kay. Played world class and great selection for the team even against the advice from experts on this forum.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If you guys watch Euroleague you would have had Motum over Kay, and why wasn't Landale in the game? Lamelameass provides again.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Adel is a spud.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Put your patriotism aside and accept facts.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Well done to Kay. Played world class and great selection for the team even against the advice from experts on this forum.

He was very good. Played a lot of crunch time minutes, and deservedly so.
16 points & 11 boards in a world cup semi final. Has come a long way in a month!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Everyone needs to calm down. The boomers were big underdogs in this match and they were for a reason, and it was the reason we lost. This Spain team is a powerhouse with experience on the world stage. Of course they are going to have a cool head in crunch time. Did we have our chances? Certainly. But the fact we had our chances shows how well this team did. If you asked if the boomers would be playing to get into the gold medal match two weeks ago you would be crazy. Now we have a shot at a bronze medal. Let's be honest our goal really has been to get a medal. You can believe this team will be hungry to win that game. I suspect we will be playing Argentina and I suspect we will make history on Sunday night with a podium finish.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Honestly? After that, and the schedule leading up to it, I would be unsurprised to see us get beat handily on Sunday.

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Bring back Shorter  
Two months ago

Blah Blah... "Lemanis should have picked..." "Lemanis should have not rotated...." ....What a bunch of sad sacks. He got us to a semi final

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

kay is at best a role player in the NBL, would not make any decent team in Europe or NBA. he sucks

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hoopie  
Two months ago

Even if Kay goes as 12th man, he MUST be included in the Olympic squad for his performances in the WC and for what he will bring in a year's time!

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

If I feel exhausted and gutted how must the players feel!

I'm still proud of the team and I'll be supporting them come Sunday.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

we would have won the gold with adel, green and bolden, it is all Lemannis' faults

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Shagnasty  
Two months ago

Sorry but Joe hasn't been great this tourney and it was pretty evident tonight. Unfortunately he doesn't show up at these big tournaments for Oz. The guy almost had the best 3 point % in the NBA a few years back and this should have been his event in the department......

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Baller#3  
Two months ago

What is this key hate? He might have a smaller role but he will be in the team for Tokyo without a doubt. Hes basically a tall Delly and I think that is valuable for sure.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Wow, hell of a game. Mills and Kay brilliant. That pair kept us in front almost the whole game.

Can't prepare for Ingles and Goulding shooting 1/12 from 3 between them. Or Delly and Mills having 13 turnovers between them. Some great players just weren't quite able to carry us one more time. They are great players though, let's hope they can dig deep for Sunday.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

hooopie, are you kay's mum or wife ? jesus.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Kay was easily in our top 2-3 players over the course of the tournament.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

a more athletic forward is what we need, not kay, he is too slow.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

How good was that Delly heave and that sweet three airball

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

more like in the bottom 3, koberulz

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Makur Makur  
Two months ago

I was definitely wrong about Kay, he was unbelievable tonight, glad we didn't pick Adel.

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hoopie  
Two months ago

Neither. I'm an experienced coach & ex-player who recognises the value of players regardless of which league they come from or how big their contract or ego or Twitter following is.

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Bring back Shorter  
Two months ago

"we would have won the gold with adel, green and bolden, it is all Lemannis' faults"

Wow tell me the tattslotto numbers champ! Outside your fantasy squad: The entire squad put in 100% and we didnt get it done in 2nd OT.

Well done to the entire team!

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hoopie  
Two months ago

and great job by Lemanis and the coaching staff to get us here and have us in the game almost to the end against the Spanish powerhouse

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proud  
Two months ago

Extremely deflating, we did so much right in this game and other than turnovers and Goulding throwing up rubbish when we needed him (not hating on him but his shot didn't look like it would drop in the second half).

Immensely proud of Nick Kay and how he performed for us. I wouldn't say he's a lock for Tokyo but he will be hard to displace.

I know others don't care about Bronze but I still want it. This game will cause so much mental scarring and hopefully a bronze will alleviate some of that going forward.

Will this loss hurt how this sport is seen in Australia ?
I feel like we needed that gold medal game to really hammer home the momentum that this sport has seen of late.

Go Boomers

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

kay is so good, but has been a basketball journeyman all this life. How does this work ? If he is good how come no big European club or NBA club has snapped him up ?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Everyone cares about bronze, it would be our first ever medal at the highest level.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Hard loss to stomach, but it was great to see the boomers do so well.

I'm really excited to see Brokeoff, exum and Simmons join this squad - we were really short some guards and wings this tourney, given how run down delly and ingles were.

Bolden would have helped tonight a lot

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Dave  
Two months ago

Hats off to Nick Kay, certainly proved me wrong.

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rjd  
Two months ago

Boomers took Spain again all the way as underdogs, with a day less rest, appearing tired, and nearly stole the win. Obviously could've gone either way. I'd like to be able to say refereeing wasn't a factor, but it's as much to do with the Spanish acting.

Both teams appeared tired. The extra day rest was surely beneficial to Spain being on the FIBA-assisted half of the draw.

With late game exhaustion kicking in, Spain effectively ran some basic pick-n-rolls, the good old NBA-style option when you are required to play so many games/minutes. This is the case where running a system like Lemanis is a tough ask, especially in 2OT after a tough schedule. Ingles has the capacity to run this action too to generate some easy baskets without too much action from others, but he was strangely passive. Without Ingles's scoring threat, teams can adjust and nullify him too easily.

Still have a chance to steal a bronze medal. It's already Australia's best tournament ever IMO.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

We know for sure Sobey, Gliddon and Barlow won't be there inn2020.
It looks likely creek and Kay might not make it also. Gouldingbalso on the fence.

5-6 new players coming in.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

goulding, kay, sobey, gliddon, Barlow should take further part in this team if we want to medal in tokyo

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Does Bogut get cut, has looked real lazy half the time.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Will this loss hurt how this sport is seen in Australia ?
No. It'll be roundly ignored.

A gold medal win is the only way anyone in the media was going to notice, although even then it's probably a stretch.

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Btown  
Two months ago

Nuffy anon trashing Kay. Probably the same one, no balls to put a name down

If you had to point a finger it would be it wouldn't be at him. Played 10x the expectation people had of him, especially when landale just isn't strong enough yet, but still gets scapegoated. He wasn't the ball handlers dishing out turnovers like candy, or missing crucial 3s during the game.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ingles was the most disappointing just disappeared and sat in the corner when they needed him do try and be a scoring option

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robt  
Two months ago

OK! So we are all heartbroken. Reckon that that game will be seen as the best game, overall. A mighty effort by both teams. Congrats and Damnation to the Spaniards.

Let's all cheer the Boomers through their next and last game of this WC against .. whomever? They have been oustanding, IMO, learnt and progressed at nearly every step.

If any of them are silly enough to read our comments, let's let them know that we are there for them to the last.

Go Boomers, here comes our first medal! Bronze may even become my favorite colour!

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Steven  
Two months ago

If you said prior to the warm up games v Canada that Australia would be playing for Bronze you would take that in a heartbeat.
Still so much to play for still a medal up for grabs.
Well done fellas.

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Gus3232  
Two months ago

So proud and heartbroken all in the one night. Shattering loss but massive effort. The toll on the teams stars gradually wore them down. Let's grab that bronze as a stepping stone for Tokyo.

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paul  
Two months ago

Exactly! They are 6-1 and that only loss was to Spain in 2OT!

They've been amazing, the best Boomers team ever by a margin. I think it will be very hard to back up on Sunday and win bronze, but bloody hell hope they can do it.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

A squad and coaching staff that showed all the smarts until they needed it most. The Offence fell apart. The switching on Gasol never worked but no adjustments made.

No one wanted to shoot the ball for fear of missing/being blocked.

Coach going with Kay/Bogut not Landale (for some more minutes) and Baynes, refusing to switch things up with Goulding and Creek as they had all tournament more signs of a group that had too much pressure on their shoulders in this one.

Played against a great team and lost composure when they needed it the most. Tough to get back to their best in time for a bronze game against one of two very good teams. Another 4th coming for the Boomers.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

We've been playing with pretty much 7 guys on full minutes.
When you space that with the 9-10 guys playing major minutes for other teams, aus players are playing almost 2 games more in minutes over the journey. 1 less day of rest also.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Everyone saying we're playing for Bronze on Sunday are the Shane Heals and Andrew Gazes of the world constantly annoyingly hyping and over estimating the performance or possible outcome - lower your expectations - after that loss which takes a huge mental toll and quite clearly the players were gassed I would not be surprised if the Boomers are flogged Sunday

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Flop Warning  
Two months ago

Fucking gutted :(

That was hard to watch. Too many repressed memories came flooding back. But i still feel proud at where we find ourselves, given what we had to do to get here.

What is with these moron troll anons bagging out kay? He was massive tonight. If he had done nothing else all tourny he justified his inclusion in the team just from tonights performance. Clearly must be just taking the piss. Or just dont watch the game.

Lets get that bronze.

Im going back to more heavy drinking.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kay was great tonight but his lack of confidence going one on one showed a few times when he was worried out of some easy buckets

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Post game comment from Luc Longley:

"Spain gets kissed on the dick by the basketball gods every time we play them."

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Flop Warning  
Two months ago

Yeah thats true. But several of those were 1v1 against gasol.

How often does anyone really expect him to win that?

His mistakes and misses were heavily outweighed by his good screens, box out o rebounds and defensive plays. However you look at it. He was one of our best tonight.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"moron troll anons" from someone calling themselves Flop Warning. Kay was great on the Offence Boards, but gave up 2 lay ups which he should have just dunked because he was scared of being blocked. Had his moments but you can't miss those shots when trying to reach a Gold Medal game.

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Dave Q  
Two months ago

Joey... mate! Whats doing with Joey Ingles? Seemed... adverse to shooting the ball. Not what I expected.

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Flop Warning  
Two months ago

Meh, if you dont know the reason why my name is flop warning. Im not going to explain it to you.

My name has little to do with what i said. So thanks for pointing out that you are one of those "moron troll anons" that knows nothing about bball.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

This World Cup format meant teams playing one too many games (8 games) to win a medal in such a short period - its not an excuse why Boomers lost to Spain just that you are not going to get the best basketball if the players/teams are exhausted. Tonights game should have been the final played on Sunday with two full days rest for each team.

By comparison with FIFA world cup 2018 - the champion France played a total 7 games not 8.

US/Aus/Wimbledon/French Open is also over 2 weeks and the finalist play a total of 7 matches.

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paul  
Two months ago

Major FIBA tournaments have long been 8 games.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

using "Flop Warning" as your "Name" is the actual definition of Anonymous. Given I answered your question I can't see how I'm the troll here?

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Flop Warning  
Two months ago

The only question i asked, technically. Is how often does anyone expect kay to beat gasol in a 1v1. And you didnt answer that...

I put a name to the things i say, you dont. I think its pretty obvious what you need to do.

Btw. That wasnt a question.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Flop Warning isn't a name. You asked why people were frustrated (hating) on Kay. I explained one possible reason.

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Flop Warning  
Two months ago

Have a good night mate. This is a pointless conversation. And it doesn't interest me.

Wanna talk about it further, choose a name. Im not getting involved with discussions with an anon. Hate my name choice if you want, but there is a specific reason it is what it is.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

That was the most stressed I've ever felt watching a game.

This.

On Ingles I did ask in the quarter final thread if something was wrong with him. Boy did we find out tonight.

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

Meanwhile, in South London, argh screw the cricket. I'm going to bed.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes Inglis looked like an old man, just hasn't been himself the last few games, he never sat on a seat at time outs, sat on what looked like an high esky. I wonder if he’s got back problems. Kay was great but for a couple of give me misses, tiredness can be a factor in this. Don’t see Kay in nba but could get a very healthy contract in good euro league team.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Looks like we will be playing France for bronze

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ME  
Two months ago

I don't think anyone can fault Kay tonight. How many offensive boards did he get? How many times was he inexplicably in the right place at the right time to put the ball in the hole? It was a superlative effort from Kay and he was one of our best on the day.

All of our players came up big for three and half quarters, but the experience and sheer talent of Spain was always lying in waiting, ready to boil over as soon as the opportunity arose. We failed to put our foot on their throat at key moments of the game and it cost us the game. Now, referee calls aside, and there were some head-scratchers, we had our chances multiple times and came up lacking.

As for Lemanis, I can't put that on Lemanis. This is largely the players. They looked scared out there when things got hot. They looked like they were truly haunted by Rio ghosts passed. Lemanis didn't miss sitters and didn't miss freethrows.

Regardless, if someone told me we were fight for bronze before this tournament with the way the Canada game looked, I would have been ecstatic. The bronze medal game is almost as important as the gold in the context of Australian basketball. Being the first team to medal isn't just a consolation, it's an achievement and verification of our place in the basketball world, and THAT goal still stands ready for the taking. I'm not going to bemoan what could have been when this team still has a piece of history to be made.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

^^^
Well said

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Spot on, ME.

Though it will take an incredible effort to bounce back from the devastation - both mental and physical - of tonight's defeat and win a bronze. I've got so much admiration and respect for this group, but I fear we will be blown out on Sunday by whoever we play (which is looking like being France).

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ME  
Two months ago

We rebounded well from the humiliating Serbia loss in Rio to 'almost' win bronze last time. I expect that they should be able to come in with the right attitude to the next game.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

The Serbia game was over about two minutes in. Not the same situation at all.

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ME  
Two months ago

I guess we will see. What will be will be in the end. Fourth wont be a result to sneeze at, but it wont be the result anyone necessarily wanted.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Everyone needs to calm down. The boomers were big underdogs in this match and they were for a reason, and it was the reason we lost.

Nope. The starting odds converted into percentage had ESP at 60% and AUS at 40%.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

If I feel exhausted and gutted how must the players feel!

Tell me about it - I'm so fatigued right now from this crazy week.

But seriously the tournament format with a game every two days is fine up to a certain point but continuing on into the latter rounds seems excessive, especially considering travel between new host cities on top of it all.

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ME  
Two months ago

I think Australia were underdogs but the manner that the loss came is backbreaking. Fronting up against France on Sunday will be tough for these guys. I really hope they find it in themselves to really fight for this, and I hope - for ONCE in Australian basketball fucking history - they're rewarded with something shiny.

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rjd  
Two months ago

This Boomers team IS the best ever. Not the best talent nor deepest (Rio was better), but they have produced the best results. Even if they get blown out in the bronze medal game.

Even if they lost again, that's 6-2, the best record ever for a Boomers team in a major tournament. Have the Boomers even beaten European teams twice in a WC? In this WC, we are 3-1 with the only loss in 2OT versus Spain. So many people hold unreasonably high expectations of the Boomers. Even 4th is a massive achievement. If we grab that bronze, it deserves a parade, or at least widespread media praise, not that the Australian media ever gives the national basketball team any respect. It's understandable to be disappointed, but if you are visiting this forum you are likely to be enough of a diehard basketball fan that you should be able to appreciate the quality of basketball coming from this team.

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rjd  
Two months ago

How is it that posters are criticising Kay after this game, of all games? There must be some serious selective memory and confirmation bias going on.

Kay has been playing better and better as the campaign has gone on.

Kay was the only player to play UP to the occasion.

Ingles went missing as a scoring threat. Baynes was kept quiet, getting no looks inside the 3pt line. Delly wasn't looking threatening except for some open looks from 3. Goulding was cold/off/rushed/pressured/psyched out. Mills was under immense pressure and needed 25 shots to get to his 34 points, which is still respectable, but he was our only reliable scorer. It was our garbage guys that kept us in the game by cleaning up on the boards -- Bogut with tip-ins and Kay with 7 o-boards. People complaining about Kay missing shots: he was 7/11 for 2s! That was from smart positioning, clever cuts, good rebounding position, knowing where to go. Lemanis was absolutely right to push him above Landale in the rotation. He had 16 and 11 against Spain FFS!

Raw athleticism can be valuable. It gets onto the highlight reel. But basketball still values smarts. Basketball IQ is extremely valuable. Frankly, there shouldn't be an argument any more about Kay -- he manages to put in good performances from his basketball smarts, even at this level.

Looking towards Tokyo, Kay has asserted himself as more of lock than any other Aussie 4-man, assuming we don't classify Simmons as a 4.

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Captain Obvious  
Two months ago

A really tough loss, but in the end Spain deserved to win. They executed great offence after great offence, where we went stagnant.

Unfortunately, Lemanis chose to play 5 guys (plus one centre rotation) through the last quarter and both overtimes. During that period Kay was good on O boards, Bogut could score on tip ins only and Delay and Ingles were ZERO threat to score. Once Spain shut down Patty we had zero other scoring options.
I can understand why he stuck with the guys he did, but Lemanis needed to get some other scoring options in to the game sooner. It was clear Ingles was having a shocker, he needed to be taken out of the game.

Very tough and disappointing and unfortunately I can't see us beating France. The medal wait might have to be a bit longer.

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UseTaHoop  
Two months ago

Isaac, question below:

Long thread here too. 19th on the "most replies" sorted topics list. (Some of the longest threads are whole season state league/ old SEABL threads).

I noticed also that there were other WC 2019 threads with a lot of replies.

There has been debate about publicity/ broadcast/ public interest/ crowds/ YouTube hits/ twitter followers etc

Question to Isaac: what are the numbers like for subscription to the hoops site? I think most agree that posters here are more dedicated fans, not the casuals on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc. Are there now more diehards who've joined the hoops community? We’re more likely to stick around than the casual fans, so an increase here would be a good sign for longer term improvement in fan base.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

^^^
Like the question, I think some the anti nbl players in the boomers post come from a few running numerous accounts.

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LV  
Two months ago

Shattered.

Proud of this team, but just so disappointed right now.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

I'm not shattered before the tournament we would've taken making it to the bronze medal game that was always considered our best possible result. IMO, we were the worst team in the SF (we needed Baynes to go off 5/6 3pt to sneak past France) and the two best teams all tournament are now in the gold medal game. We didn't deserve silver.

It's going to be hard but we need to regroup and go hard one last time to try and create history by winning our first medal. I think France are likely to win this time as all of our offensive options outside of Mills have fallen away now that we've been heavily scouted but we really need to throw caution to the wind tomorrow night.

This team is probably our best chance yet to win a medal.

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rjd  
Two months ago

Apparently there have only been 19 double-doubles posted by Boomers players in WC/Olympic history. Kay's was the first to do it off the bench.

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LV  
Two months ago

Kay has seriously impressed me.

The guy goes from strength to strength.

He's a team first guy who plays smart. No wonder he was om a 27 game winning streak.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

He isn't we lost three warm up games before the tournament and then lost last night too, that was just something that Rugby nuffy came up with and thought sounded good.

Aside from that Kay too has impressed me in this tournament doing all the little things well and I'm willing to admit I was wrong about Motum needing to be picked ahead of him. We have missed Motum's outside shooting though but likely wouldn't be as good with him in instead of Kay.

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LV  
Two months ago

Warm up games shouldn't be counted.

Kay was certainly a huge part of Perth's success last season, and has impressed in his role with the Boomers.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

He stepped up to international mode almost seamlessly. And if he can be as consistent with his 3 point shot with the Boomers as he has become in the NBL then his value goes up another level again.
3P% across his first 3 NBL seasons was ~ 31%. Last season was 43.6%. I want to see him letting it fly with confidence this season.

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ME  
Two months ago

Kay has been great. I don't think anyone can fault Kay over Motum after this series. It was absolutely the right decision.

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paul  
Two months ago

"Apparently there have only been 19 double-doubles posted by Boomers players in WC/Olympic history. Kay's was the first to do it off the bench."

Kay's was also the first ever double-double by a Boomer in a knockout or medal round game. Pretty impressive.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Kay was oh so close to a Triple Crown:

[X] NBL
[X] NZNBL
[ ] FIBA World Cup

Would've been an amazing 2019 for him. Well, it still is.

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rjd  
Two months ago

https://youtu.be/iAcmyVbzq3A

"Spain Beats Australia in FIBA World Championships Semi Final 2019"
BBALLBREAKDOWN

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Isaac  
Two months ago

Question to Isaac: what are the numbers like for subscription to the hoops site? I think most agree that posters here are more dedicated fans, not the casuals on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc. Are there now more diehards who've joined the hoops community? We're more likely to stick around than the casual fans, so an increase here would be a good sign for longer term improvement in fan base.
I don't have time day to day to pay attention to formal subscriptions or anything like that. I do occasionally check site stats for visitorship and they are solid over the years. Given a lot of interest would've gone to Twitter (where there are more than casuals too), I'd guess combined interest would be higher. e.g., Hoops has at least stayed level or slightly higher while Twitter chatter has also grown. It's also hard to gauge because years back there was huge interest on here for Central ABL, school threads (until I blocked most schools), etc. International tournaments are always boom times here. Then we go to NBL and NBA. It might be that while there is a great option in r/NBA for NBA news/chat, there's less competition for Boomers-specific stuff.

I usually track pageviews. The record months were August 2015 (730k) and July 2015 (670k) - not sure what was on then as it wasn't a WC/Olympic year. Had 650k in April 2018, 600k in each of October and November 2018, 630k last month. September 2019 tracking to be 600k+ assuming the Blitz is remotely interesting.

Going by Analytics' report on New Users, August 2019 was the best month of the last 10 years. Aug 2009 was 16k. Aug 2019 was 30k.

Of the last six weeks, this Spain thread is the second most popular thread. SBL August and SBL off-season threads are 1st and 3rd. Boomers-France 4th.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Would the uptick in mid 2015 coincide with Kestleman taking over the league?

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Isaac  
Two months ago

Doesn't appear to. Boomers games - tour and Oceania qualifying? Top threads by reply count for threads started during July-August 2015 are:

Boomers vs Tall Blacks, 15 Aug 2015
Hugh Greenwood quits Wildcats to pursue AFL career
Hawks to announce Kirk Penney signing Monday?
U17 Men playing now
U18 VC Boys
U16 National Champs Tasmania
European Tour: Boomers vs Lithuania
Live stream for Emu's v Turkey?
Delly and Cavs far apart on new deal
Big V Finals
Vic Metro National Results
Games 2 Boomers v Tall Blacks
Perth Wildcats secure Jawai
36ers communications are woeful
U17 Worlds Qualifiers
R22 PL: The Last Hurrah
Cambage chooses Music over Opals
Mornington possible No Big V teams
Opals-Japan Series
NBL television deal, sponsors close
36ers sign import combo guard Kenyon McNeail
Greenwood replacement options
Too rushed to count actual posts from those periods so there could be big ones from days in June.

Boomers, Greenwood quit Cats, Cambage did something - it's a Hoops perfect storm.

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