Anonymous
Last month

The Sobey Elephant

So when do we start to talk about a couple of the giant Elephants sitting in the corner??

Sobey has ambitions of playing for the Boomers (A team). He can't make it as a SG, so his ambition is to transition to a PG.

Problem is he showed last season that he's not even good enough to run the point in the NBL. Obviously wasn't going to continue at the point for Adelaide, so he makes a deal with Lemanis. "Come play for the Bullets, I'll let you be PG, AND I'll reward you with a Boomers singlet."
Presumably Gliddon was already on the same deal.

The consolation prize for his former lovechild Cadee? A spot in the Boomers squad.

So our entire contingent of guys trying out for backup roles, is comprised of the worst PGs in the NBL, who are only there because Lemanis owes them a favour. In what universe is that acceptable?

Next, why isn't our best player, and potentially the best player Australia has produced, even in the team?
I realise the kid has an ego but hes hardly alone in that. Does he expect to be treated like a star, and to be coddled by Lemanis? Well if that's what it takes.
Im all for players being humble and wanting to sacrifice for the team, but theres obviously a clique of senior players who have been together for several tournaments and perhaps he doesnt feel like paying homage.
This is a kid who has teams, sponsors, and god knows who else lining up to kiss his ring and offer him millions. Maybe the Boomers need to get with the times?

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Anonymous  
Last month

some morons here even said Simmons should not even be a lock for Tokyo Olympics. These people can F*** themselves.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Heard Vozzo wasn't available because he's on holidays. Not sure he's best player ever though, still think Gaze has that title.

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Anonymous  
Last month

A lot of hypotheticals, guess-work, and plain BS in that post. Zero insight or substance. Disappointed I took the time to read it, let alone respond.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sobey wouldn't even be in the conversation if simmons and Exum were available. We had no other options bar mccarron and Cadee. None of them were getting many minutes.
Sobey is now strictly a boomers fill in when we play friendlies during a nba or euro season.

88 Mills
90 Dellavedova
92 Cotton
95 Exum
96 Simmons
98 Mcdowell-White
02 Wigness
02 Giddey

Even when mills and Delly finish up in the next cycle, we have plenty of talent
Sobey has no chance next year or beyond the next cycle.

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Anonymous  
Last month

With fiba rules unless simmons starts shooting threes we are better without him because if we play spain for instance. Marc Gasol will take him and just live in the key on defense as a help man.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I reckon Simmons could play some spot minutes to give Kay a rest

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ME  
Last month

Okay, so firstly you assume the Bullets deal was also a Boomers deal, rather than acknowledge that our options are limited at guard and Sobey probably was the best age-appropriate option we have that was available.

Then you go and ask "why isn't Ben in the team?" As if you'd been sleeping for the past 6 months when Ben made his decision and were oblivious to why, preferring to blame it somehow on Lemanis rather than see that Ben is all about himself, which he has always shown.

And then you say people who say Ben shouldn't be a lock can "go fuck themselves", showing absolutely no understanding of how the international game has proven to stimy players of his type (see Giannis).

Yep. Thanks for the masterclass of idiocy, Anonymous.

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Smith  
Last month

Sobey led the league in assists yeah?

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Luuuc  
Last month

A handy rule of thumb is that if a thread's first 7 posts are anonymous, don't bother trying to find any sense in it

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Zodiac  
Last month

Sobey led the league in assists yeah?


Correct which only really tells you the ball was in his hands a lot and his teammates were effective enough to score from his passes.

The reality last season was he often over dribbled, was caught in two minds about when to pass and when to try and score himself and his decision making late in games was terrible.

He was a great player for us in the past as a scorer & slasher but last season exclusively as a PG he was disappointing. Overall I'm a bit sad to see him go but as he only wants to play as a PG in future I would prefer he played on another team.

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paul  
Last month

"Correct which only really tells you the ball was in his hands a lot and his teammates were effective enough to score from his passes."

OMG! So Ware and Randle etc didn't have a lot of the ball in their hands and teammates who were effective at scoring from their passes? Please.

"his decision making late in games was terrible."

This I agree with, and this is where most of the over-dribbling happened. It was just a case of inexperience as a down-the-stretch playmaker. In reality, the Sixers should have had the ball in other hands IMO.

Overall, Sobey did a good job as a PG on a team that performed well when Moore was fit and firing and struggled without him. Sobey's defence was very good overall on many of the best players in the competition and he did a good job of keying Adelaide's game style at both ends.

Where he fell down was where he was required to be the man, he neither had the experience or the variety of offensive moves to carry that load.

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Perfwerld  
Last month

Anon that thinks Gasol will just sit in the key on Simmons you are on crack! I'm so sick of seeing everyone say that Australia is better off without him. He is the best player we've ever produced and its not close. Don't get me started on the Gaze comparison. Gaze sat on the bench in the NBA for a year and collected a ring, Simmons is a borderline all star after two years and he's not even near his peak yet.

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paul  
Last month

Gaze sitting on the bench in the NBA is completely irrelevant to what he produced in international basketball. This is a guy who averaged 24ppg against Team USA with close to their best team, he is one of the greatest scorers the world has seen.

Regardless of the needless comparison, Simmons is going to be a superstar for Australia, his ability to play all parts of the game, spark transition, make teammates better, finish for himself etc is going to be so hard to stop, especially if we have good shooters around him like Broekhoff and Landale.

I can't wait to see him play for Australia, he is the difference maker that will get us gold next year.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Perfwerld, you didn't see Bogut play before he got hurt, very hard to compare players anyway but Bogut didn’t go number one for nothing and he was very athletic younger and offensively fantastic. Simmons has still got the wheel barrow in front of him.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I can't wait to see him play for Australia, he is the difference maker that will get us gold next year."

IF USA brings their A team, no on is getting within 20 points

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perfwerld  
Last month

I watched the bucks probably more than you did. I saw that sickening fall that shattered Boguts elbow and yeah he would've been an allstar if that hadn't have happened but it did.

Thats like saying you didn't see me in u16s before I started smoking durries and drinking piss, I could've been anything as my mum told me.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Add Gliddon and Barlow. WTF is the point of selecting them if they don't play.

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Anonymous  
Last month

You can't hate on guys who haven’t had a chance to play. Those trashing Sobey, Gliddon and Barlow are truly idiots. These guys are lucky to play 40 seconds a game. We don’t know what their input would’ve been if they had minutes.

Respect them for representing their country and getting behind the team even though they don’t get the playing time. They’ve all been supportive of the team and very vocal on social media.

Look at some other Australian players/ex players and not a peep. More support for Lamborghini than their country.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Okay, so firstly you assume the Bullets deal was also a Boomers deal"
You would be the only person in Australia that doesn't think that.
"Sobey probably was the best age-appropriate option we have that was available"
Bullshit. Now would you like to try and explain Caddee?
"Then you go and ask "why isn't Ben in the team?" As if you'd been sleeping for the past 6 months when Ben made his decision and were oblivious to why, preferring to blame it somehow on Lemanis rather than see that Ben is all about himself, which he has always shown."
Yeah ok I get it - youre a moron. - You just proved my point.
Sobey and Cadee get in because theyre willing to suck Lemanis's dick. Simmons wont so hes out. What a great way to pick a team

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koberulz  
Last month

You are without a doubt the dumbest poster on this forum.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So Paul, you admit Sobey was terrible but basically ok for a 2nd rate NBL team that didn't make the finals and didnt have any other choice? I agree. So what about that earns him a Boomers role?
And if you cant wait to see Simmons play for us and Simmons wont play for Lemanis - then I think the answer is obvious.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So our best WC team ever still fails to win a medal even after the USA bombs out. Lemanis once again fails totally with eog in two crucial games. Fatigue kills us again because Lemanis filled the squad with his bumchums. Also his great plan to combat Euroball failed miserably.
so tell me - did Lemanis do any better any other NBL coach would have done?

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Luuuc  
Last month

Oh if we are doing derp posts in here:
Lemanis is clearly, by a significant margin, a better coach that Gregg Popovich

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lemanis has done better than anyone before him. Anyone say such and such should have coached and would've got us a medal is only guessing, no fucking idea really. We were one free throw miss from the gold medal game. Such is life.

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koberulz  
Last month

Simmons wont play for Lemanis[citation needed]
FTFY.

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skull  
Last month

Not sure what the 'Sobey elephant' means but the Boomers were always one and a half to two players short of a serious medal...swap out Gliddon and Sobey for Broekoff and Exum/Simmons and we have gold...oh well maybe next time!!

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Anonymous  
Last month

What a toss of a thread this is! Straight stupidity to even bother starting such a ridiculous thread.

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paul  
Last month

"So Paul, you admit Sobey was terrible but basically ok for a 2nd rate NBL team"

I pity you if that's your level of reading comprehension anon.

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pigssy  
Last month

sobey, kay, glddon, barlow all suck. There is no room for these nbl journeymen if we want to medal.

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koberulz  
Last month

Hi Dave.

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skull  
Last month

Not so sure you can say Kay sucked, but what it did show was if we upgraded (on skill/size/athleticism) in that position we would win most games...

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Anonymous  
Last month

kay is too slow, lacks size and athleticism, he sucks. Give me a Bolden or Adel any day.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Awesome call Dave. Bolden was in the 12 and ended up giving us zero points and zero boards in zero minutes. You seem really switched on.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Can you get off the Adel wagon, he's done f.a.

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Isaac  
Last month

OP is unhinged.

Next, why isn't our best player, and potentially the best player Australia has produced, even in the team?
Because he's getting paid insane amounts of money to be fit for a title run during a period which his team has a window. In fact, they are title favourites going by one measure.

Wait, maybe LeBron didn't play because Pop is obsessed with Derrick White?!

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paul  
Last month

"Wait, maybe LeBron didn't play because Pop is obsessed with Derrick White?!"

Great call! Maybe White only signed with the Spurs because he was guaranteed a Team USA spot? At the end of the day, do you think Luc Longley would stand for someone who didn't deserve to be there being picked? No way in the world.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

"A handy rule of thumb is that if a thread's first 7 posts are anonymous, don't bother trying to find any sense in it"

True.

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anonymous  
Last month

Never seen so much hate on a person that has basically grinded his whole life to get to this position. Sounds like a bunch of jealous individuals.

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Isaac  
Last month

Never seen so much hate on a person that has basically grinded his whole life to get to this position. Sounds like a bunch of jealous individuals.
Wait, are we talking about Sobey? Or Lemanis, Cadee, Heal, Wright, Teys, etc?

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anonymous  
Last month

Sobey & Lemanis...

We critique people that have worked hard to where they are now. A couple of us are average joes so I would say congratulate people as well as a few critiques a long the way. All these forums promote 'hate' 90% of the time!

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paul  
Last month

"Wait, are we talking about Sobey? Or Lemanis, Cadee, Heal, Wright, Teys, etc?"

Cecil Exum.

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D2.0  
Last month

Firstly, nobody in their right mind could seriously defend the selection of Sobey, or the inclusion of Spuddee in the squad.

Next, before we had even lost, people were already talking about how we're going to be magically better in Tokyo.
The same thing they said before this WC, and before Rio, etc, etc.
Everytime its the same story "this is the best squad ever, we're going to medal, this is our best chance."
Yet, the result is the same.

So what do we change?

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