koberulz
Two months ago

New TV Production

Putting aside issues of perceived resolution and picture quality, what did people think of the new production? For mine every change is for the worse.

- Commentary from the studio is just stupid, period.
- Not even pretending they're in the venue makes it worse.
- If they are in the studio, why can't they wear lapel mics and earpieces instead of headsets?
- If they are going to wear headsets, and you have a mirrored pair, why would you put both microphones on the camera side?
- Dwayne Russell is terrible, but that's not actually a change.
- I preferred the league having its own graphics package, rather than using ESPN's look, or Fox's look.
- Homicide and Screen were pointless. Could've spent that money on sending Russell and Gaze.
- The graphics were well ahead of the actual game vision. Scores were updating as shots were released, before they even got to the rim on some occasions.
- I said three days ago that the ESPN ticker was going to cause issues. Apparently nobody at ESPN realised this. It obscured part of the scoreboard for the first couple of minutes and their first solution was to squash the game into a smaller area of the screen rather than to just get rid of the ticker, which frankly should never be on the screen during anything.
- The SportsCentre special was an hour long, but it felt like four hours. The host is just bad.
- It ran almost half an hour over due to the shorter timeslots this year.
- They actually wrapped it up and sounded like they were going off-air, only to come back for a post-game show which is apparently a separate show called "Live at NBL", which is the worst name for a show I've ever heard. It was also indistinguishable from the rest of the post-game coverage, as it still consisted of Gaze and Russell in a studio.

All in all I thought it was a huge step back from where it was last year.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Larry probably gave the production to his son.

First ever productions.

Absolutely horrible !

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ME  
Two months ago

"Perceived resolution and picture quality". No, sorry. Whatever the technical reasons are, the picture is shit and was better on Fox Sports. Go back to whatever they were doing with Fox Sports is the takeaway there.

And yes, overall a huge step backwards. They're probably going to have teething issues in figuring everything out and I expected that. But I hope they come to realize the hub is hideous, the picture is terrible, the LIVE AFTER show isn't even a show, and that we want to see action, not faces in a crowd.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Whatever the technical reasons are
Whatever they are, there's already a thread for them. I'd rather discuss other aspects, as the picture-quality issue is getting plenty of attention over there.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Much like the standard of play made it clear at times that it was the first game of the season, the production was a bit the same. I feel like most of the issues will get ironed out with time.

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ME  
Two months ago

Yeah I think they will but with all the eyes on the NBL at the moment, they almost can't afford to fuck up this badly from hereon.

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Nostraballmus  
Two months ago

Nostraballmus foretells that it needs a Nostraballmus segment foretelling the results

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Yeah I think they will but with all the eyes on the NBL at the moment, they almost can't afford to fuck up this badly from hereon.

That's fair.
After all, as Derrwayne pointed out multiple times last night, you only get one chance to make a first impression.

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Baller#3  
Two months ago

I did think the graphics used were much better. Otherwise yeah some minor issues that really need to be ironed out quick smart.

Would like to continue the studio to some degree, but have commentary on the ground. Would ideally like it to be 1 around the ground, 2 commentary and then 2 back in the studio. The studio team would cover pre-game, half-time and post-game as well as between double headers etc.

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AKA  
Two months ago

Sheesh, some people just love complaining!! I thought the scorecard graphics were far better than the 80's video game types in previous years. Some of the production stuff could be improved and I'm sure it will be. Overall not the worst but not the best either. Some will just never be happy regardless of the standards provided

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

People are complaining because they decided to do something "revolutionary" that was just completely unnecessary, while pretending it will benefit the fans.

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AKA  
Two months ago

and they love complaining, it's inherit in most unfortunately. I love the fact that all games will be able to be viewed live and that the league is trying new stuff with the telecast. I can't see the studio commentary lasting but I imagine that would also be a budgetary thing when games out of state are starting to be played. They'll find the balance soon hopefully

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koberulz  
Two months ago

I thought the scorecard graphics were far better than the 80's video game types in previous years.
Pretty sure 80s video games weren't capable of anything near previous NBL graphics packages.

I didn't think they were bad or anything, I just liked the league having its own look. This season's graphics are just ESPN's graphics.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Koberulz did you like anything from last nights game? A lot of people on here are hard to please.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

I imagine that would also be a budgetary thing when games out of state are starting to be played.
Except that they have to have in-venue commentary teams anyway. So where's the saving?

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Koberulz did you like anything from last nights game? A lot of people on here are hard to please.
I was perfectly happy with last year's coverage, except for the usual Williams/Russell complaints.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If you're not going to have the commentators in the stadium, then so be it but don't show them in a studio! Just don't show them at all. Makes it look cheap

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Except that they have to have in-venue commentary teams anyway. So where's the saving?"

There's less equipment you have to transport and less staff you have to pay.

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AKA  
Two months ago

"Pretty sure 80s video games weren't capable of anything near previous NBL
graphics packages"

I was just referencing the scoreboard on the bottom of the screen and not the whole graphics package. Hence me saying "the scorecard graphics".

"Except that they have to have in-venue commentary teams anyway. So where's the saving?"

Flights. Equipment transport. Expenses for more staff being away from home etc

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Koberulz so you weren't really perfectly happy with last two years then.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

I was just referencing the scoreboard on the bottom of the screen and not the whole graphics package. Hence me saying "the scorecard graphics".
80s video games weren't really known for HD detail or gradients, so I'm not sure what similarities you see.

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anon  
Two months ago

Why did Corey interview John White for his first in game cross? Missed a chance to ask about his coaching stint in England. And nice of Corey to lean over Brad Pineau (whose son was playing and doing a decent job) just to get to Dave Simmons (whose son wasn't playing).

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

On a more positive note it was the first basketball game involving Boomers or NBL in six months with no Shane Heal in commentary. Amazingly refreshing.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Untrue, there was the Canada game at the World Cup.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

How did I forget that infamous call? We had to endure that homer Canada commentator though which was kind of like a direct replacement for Heal.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

It looked cheap and nasty. Nothing like what we have come accustom too in previous years. Clearly obvious that the 5th year of the business plan requires the product to stand on its own 2 feet without being propped up by a benefactor. We will find out this year whether it is sustainable. Lets see what happens.

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AKA  
Two months ago

"80s video games weren't really known for HD detail or gradients, so I'm not sure what similarities you see."

It was an analogy.... Not the brightest hey?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

AKA, if you recognise that things should improve, how do you expect that to happen if people aren't providing feedback?

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koberulz  
Two months ago

"80s video games weren't really known for HD detail or gradients, so I'm not sure what similarities you see."

It was an analogy.... Not the brightest hey?
It's an analogy that doesn't make any sense to me.

What aspect of the previous graphics made it seem similar to an 80s video game?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Sounds like a complaint from AKA...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm with AKA, I’d hate to be married to some of you people, boy never happy. My sbs coverage was great in all aspects.::))

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KET  
Two months ago

I didn't realise these were "ESPN" graphics, where else does ESPN use those graphics?

I liked the graphics.

In another thread I pointed out the score changing before the shot sillyness. No clue what they're doing there. The studio/no commentary on the ground thing just doesn't provide a polished coverage with that genuine atmospheric feel.

I liked the Sports Center special, just didn't like it being the "pre-game", and didn't care that it took a few minutes to figure out to remove the ticker.

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cosby  
Two months ago

Scoreboard updating before the shot is released was very irritating, so i hope they can fix that. Hopefully we get Shane Heal back in commentary tonight.

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AKA  
Two months ago

"It's an analogy that doesn't make any sense to me."
- Further validating the second part of my comment.

"What aspect of the previous graphics made it seem similar to an 80s video game?"
- The general dated and not modern look of it. Like I said, an analogy. I really think an improvement was made in this area, kudos to them for that.

You're either very dumb or purposefully naive. I'm trying to figure out which one.

In regards to the Anon that suggest improvement doesn't happen with feedback. I agree with the sentiment but I'm not sure the NBL will be scrolling through hoops.com.au searching for feedback on improving the telecast. I also doubt that the OP was trying to provide feedback to the NBL, rather they were having a good old whinge. I for one liked the telecast and am looking forward to it improving throughout the season to do justice to the talent on the court. Rome wasn't built in a day.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I hated the camera scanning across the back row of seats (or where ever it was) towards the side of the court. Pointless.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

The general dated and not modern look of it.
But what specifically made it look dated to you? It had lots of small text, animation, colours, shading etc, which to me seems very modern. Not quite as much as those awful 3D logo models they were using in 2017, though.

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KET  
Two months ago

33,000 watched the NBL on ESPN last night.

What's the standard for subscription TV for NBL? 18-38k?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

13th overall yesterday on Foxtel, normally struggle to get top 20, similar rating to NRL 360.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Seb Costello and Homicide with the call tonight. It keeps getting worse.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Wow just wow. *vomit*

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You can forgive all of it, but not having the commentary team at the venue is criminal and just amateur. No other major sport in the country do this and it's just treating the fans at home with contempt.

In an era where the NBL are doing so many good things, this is not one of them.

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ME  
Two months ago

"33,000 watched the NBL on ESPN last night.

What's the standard for subscription TV for NBL? 18-38k?"

Hmm, usually 38K towards playoffs so 33,000 is fantastic numbers for game 1. Plus you have 10,000 who watched on Facebook.

Too bad the picture quality is absolute ass, commentating is garbage, and the whole production is disjointed hogwash though. They'd wanna turn it around quick.

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YoucantRandlethetruth!  
Two months ago

Seb Costello is embarrassingly out of his depth! limited knowledge and to busy trying to "entertain" us by baiting Corey = Lame.

Corey is OK at the comments during the break as his only benefit to the viewer is his over the top observations.

Either way the loser is the viewer!!

LK has to be watching and thinking WTF

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ME  
Two months ago

"LK has to be watching and thinking WTF"

Well, I'd hope so. They have some changes to make, and fast. The picture quality and commentary just won't do.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

Picture quality seems fine to me.

This commentary combo... not so much

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YoucantRandlethetruth!  
Two months ago

Seb thanking all the NBL sponsors during the game!! What a joke imagine watching A League "Thanks to Hyundai and Masterfoods".. I realize sponsors are massively important for the league but surely ads during the break and placement of logos on Jerseys and side screens are enough.

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YoucantRandlethetruth!  
Two months ago

Seb thanking all the NBL sponsors during the game!! What a joke imagine watching A League "Thanks to Hyundai and Masterfoods".. I realize sponsors are massively important for the league but surely ads during the break and placement of logos on Jerseys and side screens are enough.

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ME  
Two months ago

Picture quality on ESPN looks super dull and like a photo that's been left to dry out in the sun to the point it's faded out. SBS coverage had the opposite problem, too saturated. Neither had particularly high definition, and if you have a HD or UHD TV, you REALLY notice.

Broadcast from the booth is fucking bullshit. Production is ugly. Cairns gone back to the ugly rings for some reason. Right when the NBL needed to look professional they're looking amatuer as hell.

The game was a bit lacklustre as well.

I dunno. NBL seem to be going out of their way to lose my interest. This is 2 huge steps back from Fox Sports and NBL 18/19

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Picture quality seems fine to me.
It was okay by the end, but at the start it was clipped so badly at the top end that the two-point areas were practically glowing. Left baseline cam was still way too hot the whole game, and the white balance on the right baseline cam was horribly out of whack with the rest of the venue.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

Picture quality on ESPN looks super dull and like a photo that's been left to dry out in the sun to the point it's faded out.
Last night perhaps, but tonight was clipping in the highlights and looked way too saturated to me.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

I regret changing the channel over to the Rugby World Cup a moment ago as it's in 4K with real commentary. NBL production in contrast is viral (as in AIDS not social media views).

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"YoucantRandlethetruth!" I see why you have a new nick or what ever YOUDONTHAVEACLUE !!!

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Last nights stream on NBL TV was pretty much perfect tonight's stream was choppy, stuttering and basically unwatchable.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

NBLTV is often flaky. NO need to pay for it now.

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Zodiac  
Two months ago

Yep I think I've done my five bucks ;)

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YoucantRandlethetruth!  
Two months ago

"I see why you have a new nick or what ever YOUDONTHAVEACLUE !!!"

Great work: I see what you did!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Zodiac
Within the hour
Yep I think I've done my five bucks ;)"

Yep per month to get crap quality until the end of the season, when you don't need to PAY FOR IT!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

don't have espn, watched on sbs on demand. can't understand what the complaining's about. picture was great plus no endless loop of worst ever/hungry jacks/mg ads. Happy days, all games live and free.

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ME  
Two months ago

"don't have espn, watched on sbs on demand. can't understand what the complaining's about. picture was great plus no endless loop of worst ever/hungry jacks/mg ads. Happy days, all games live and free."

Are you watching with Chromecast or something? Looks ass on my computer as it is.

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proud  
Two months ago

During the Phoenix @ United Game, where Creek hit the 3 late in the last quarter, the shot clock was showing 0for a good second or two BEFORE he shot and the scores were changing before the shot went down.

Seb Costello reminds me way too much of James Brayshaw with how he commentates and I think he can go wait until next season for another go.

I like the graphics but they need to be more in time with the play (we got a working shot clock as far back as I remember and I've been watching since 1992).

I'm not too deterred by the happenings but I'm not as excited as I feel I should be about the NBL right now.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The coverage on sbs is fantastic, today's commentary was woeful. Please can we get commentators to call the game and cut the bullshit out, it CANNOT be that hard.

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ME  
Two months ago

Picture still garbage.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

^^^^
Maybe you had better get yourself a new tv.

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rjd  
Two months ago

Knowing that the commentators are sitting in a studio really dulls the experience because commentators act in part as viewer's vicarious connection to the game. Having said that, if they didn't announce it and didn't show them sitting in a studio, I probably wouldn't have even thought about it.

I can understand the cost-cutting aspect, but if commentators are always in the same studio, I would've expected the commentary team could be reduced to only the best quality commentators.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Kings game was good quality on sbs

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paul  
Two months ago

"I can understand the cost-cutting aspect, but if commentators are always in the same studio, I would've expected the commentary team could be reduced to only the best quality commentators."

This.

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paul  
Two months ago

"33,000 watched the NBL on ESPN last night. What's the standard for subscription TV for NBL? 18-38k?"

The average has generally been in the 10-15K mark on Fox, however the first game of the season has often been one of the highest-rating games for the NBL.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

How many on sbs tuned in, looking good.

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ME  
Two months ago

"^^^^
Maybe you had better get yourself a new tv."

I have a $3,000 Ultra HD TV bought this year. TV isn't the problem.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Ok now they've gone dark today, but the scoreboard is nearly perfect (about a tenth of a second behind, better than in front). Still too much Dwayne Russell.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Russel and Gaze is a 100% improvement on last night debacle.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Oh dear, going backward. Is this the end of teh NBL as we know it?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I'm watching the Perth vs Melbourne mini match on SBS on demand... The quality is absolute trash. I'm thinking 480p? I have 100/40 NBN so no problem on my end.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

SBS On Demand carries three streams: 224p, 360p and 720p. I've never seen the mini-games look at all decent though, so I'm not sure what the story is there. Adelaide/Utah looked fine watching live this morning.

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KET  
Two months ago

The SBSVicelandHD coverage doesn't appear to me to HD either, they don’t have the HD on their logo for it either but do for other programmes.

NBL are obviously trying things but they’re not achieving core aspects of enhancing entertainment or looking polished

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paul  
Two months ago

If the Perth v Melbourne game wasn't in HD it was the purest SD I've seen in my life by a long way!

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KET  
Two months ago

Hawks v Brisbane

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I've used facebook/SBS viceland/ESPN/SBS on demand/Twitch all at various stages over round 1, haven't really had an issue with any of them

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

^^^
No problems either.

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Perthworld  
Two months ago

Some upscaling issues with ESPN and now everybody is becomimg paranoid on whether their HD really is HD. Classic.

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Gibbon  
Two months ago

I wish they would show more stats, in the Wildcats/United game I could not tell how many fouls Long had - the website was so hard to use on my phone to find out as well. For the second quarter they forgot to show the team fouls at all. Other stats in general would be much better.

There's so little emotion in the commentary, the play by play guy should be reflecting the energy in the arena and build up tension then get excited when theres a comeback or something dramatic happens.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I just want the game called well. I couldn't give a toss about whether the commentators get super emotional or not.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Perth v Melbourne replay on channel 31 now.

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