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Bullets vs Taipans - Brisbane, 11 October 6:30 pm

Should be very interesting with Bullets being guard heavy and fast.
Looking forward to seeing the new stadium.
Could be a close game. Hard to pick a winner.

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AngusH  
Last month

I like Cairns for an upset tonight. Hoping for a close one in any case because I expect Hawks-Perth will be a double-digits loss type of game.

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NBL Fan  
Last month

Looking like it will be pretty empty for game 1

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anon  
Last month

It would be a pity if it's empty. Hopefully not another Library!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Nobody cares about this game

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Anonymous  
Last month

I can't wait.

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A.  
Last month

Any news on Oliver's knee?

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FSTOS  
Last month

He is on the box score but starting on the bench. Not sure what to make of that.

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FSTOS  
Last month

He is on the box score but starting on the bench. Not sure what to make of that.

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ME  
Last month

TV picture hasn't improved.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Stream working great for me on SBS on Demand.

If Cairns fans raved about Jawai being in good shape this season they actually would've been legit, best shape I've ever seen him in.

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Yinka Dare  
Last month

Why is newbill not getting court time? Injured?

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Splinky  
Last month

SBS crapped out on me. It looked terrible anyway. I have two days of KAYO subscription left from World Cup - looks like I might be resubscribing because it works and looks alright.

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Splinky  
Last month

I also notice the on-screen clock continues to be out of sync with the court clock.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No Vukona either.
My sbs feed is excellent.
Will Cairns hold tough or fold
Brisbane defence been average.

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Matt Leabeater  
Last month

I reckon newbill might have food poisoning or a vomiting bug or something like that hes gone to the change room twice during the first half and no one knows whats going on.

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Anonymous  
Last month

nothing from the nbl or taipans on why newbill isnt playing...

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Anonymous  
Last month

he is warming up at half time, so must be feeling under the weather

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Anonymous  
Last month

Kayo stream seems a bit off. Like a voice over the top of the broadcast instead of integrated. A technical issue perhaps.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Well they are commentating from an-off site bunker.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I know that, but it's different sound to espn or sbs stream.

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Yinka Dare  
Last month

Jawai is so overrated. Negatives outweigh the positives....no pun intended.

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Bullets Fan  
Last month

Broadcast has no atmosphere from either the commentators or the venue sounds. Please bring back the venue commentators.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lemanis telling team in time out to go Djeric, it makes sense, could not defend Humpty Dumpty.

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"Nobody cares about this game" great post? What game does everyone care about?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Cairns lack of depth catching up with them. At least 4 guys on this team aren't close to being NBL standard.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Does anyone care about Tommy's diet?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Unless Cairns can find a wealthy owner, I can't see to much future, you still need some players of starter quality on the bench. Some of their starters leave a bit to be desired as well.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Very impressed by the Bullets ball movement ... pretty good team they are building into for this season .

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Hard to pick a winner." Are you serious?

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Yinka Dare  
Last month

Machado probably thinking what the hell have I gotten myself into

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Anonymous  
Last month

I must say how bad is Deng. Weak, under strength and getting handled like a bitch.
More importantanly I thought Deng was on for about 5 mins too long before kelly benched him.

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AngusH  
Last month

Machado part of the problem with some of his casual dribbling and passing. Cairns 3 rotation guys short, really. No Newbill compounds it, too

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Splinky  
Last month

The audio mix on this broadcast is so off.

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Yinka Dare  
Last month

Surely Simon conn is a better option than some of these cairns players?

I get he is old but guy has more game

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Yinka Dare  
Last month

Noi is definitely no rookie ingles

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Splinky  
Last month

Would you bother sacking Mike Kelly or just accept that Cairns are a crap team?

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Anonymous  
Last month

It has to be Larry's son who likes homicide commentating?

Otherwise I am out of reasons as to how the hell he has a job. So bad.

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Yinka Dare  
Last month

Kelly hasn't got much to work with. You can’t turn shit into wine

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Perthworld  
Last month

How were Cairns not given a Next Star?

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AngusH  
Last month

Yeah, Noi is no Ingles, but I think he's quality, just doesn't really seem to have much of an offensive game developed at the moment and is trying to do too much.

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Anonymous  
Last month

WTF. "You can't turn shit into wine". Select shit and there is the problem. Either they have no budget or the Coach is selecting shit.
Embarassing. Mind you Brisbane aren't that much better.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No Newbill, no bench.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Gliddon has must be nba ready the ways he's made Noi look like a useless. I’m making this assumption on every one telling me Noi is the next nba big thing.

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Ben  
Last month

First opportunity I've had to watch a broadcast. The bunker commentating is a losing prospect. Like someone said in a previous thread, it's exactly the same feel as watching the listless Euroleague games on ESPN.

And yep, plenty of empty seats. Partly because Cairns holds least appeal in the league. Mostly because it's a 6:30pm start at a location with wretched traffic woes that not everybody has the appetite to fight.

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AngusH  
Last month

JvG every bit the courtside commentator that he was GM.

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Zodiac  
Last month

I like his commentary and always thought JVG was more suited to that than being a GM.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Admittedly that throw to the Perth game wasn't his best work.

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Anonymous  
Last month

AFAIK Cairns were offered La Melo.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Machado definitely part of Cairns's problem, offensively.

Homocide his typical, terrible self in the commentary box.

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Perthworld  
Last month

AFAIK Cairns were offered La Melo.

... but they didn't have the money to pay him? I assume.

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AngusH  
Last month

League pays for next stars.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Offered yet declined? Doesn't add up?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Why?. They declined. It adds up.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Why would they decline if the Next Star is a paid for by the league player?

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Cellar Dwellars  
Last month

Trust me they declined. Maybe he's not that good?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Maybe Cairns haven't realised what talent is since they got rid of their previous coach. Some of there guys are horrible, ok in the qbl but not even good enjoyable for nbl1. Ball can play.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Maybe Cairns don't want the distraction of a high profile player who has no investment in the club's success and no intention of sticking around longer than one season. I think it is a more than valid position to take.

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Mark  
Last month

The venue looks shit
So small and empty seats

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Anonymous  
Last month

Venue looked good IMO.

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koberulz  
Last month

It looks like a suburban rec center, not a major professional stadium.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Not too many 5000 seat rec centres around.

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Anonymous  
Last month

1400 seats more than the Convention Centre. Venue is a massive upgrade in almost every way.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yes it looked good, it's there home now, Cadee said in the interview that they train there and their gym is there.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Are Cairns regretting getting rid of Fearne now? He was the only thing keeping that club competitive on their budget.

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Anonymous  
Last month

^^^ the million dollar question. Fearne last season wasn't that great either but it’s not looking great up there which is a shame. They picked some absolute qbl players on the bench, they were never going to be good enough. At least Cairns teams under Fearne played defence. Some of there bigs are no where near as tall as written on the write ups as well. No point saying your 208 when you’re actually 199. It maybe the Cairns shrink.

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Ben  
Last month

Brisbane trying to call the venue "The Armoury" is as lame and forced as the #thisiswhoweare hashtag they push out.

Disregarding location, venue itself is very good but.

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Anonymous  
Last month

You've actually been tricked by the low scoring totals Fearne lead teams held other teams to. Analytics has squashed that, and the low scores had as much to do with the snail pace of play Fearne teams played at. He forced his own team to make a bunch of passes before a shot, with long winded possessions for the Taipans. This schrunk the amount of total possessions in the game. Fearne did not have a great record and had some very talented teams at different stages.

Low scores does not equal good defence necessarily. Fearne cracked the code and now has the Mantra of being some defensive guru. This is not the case, and his style of play is the last thing a team needs in this era of basketball.

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Anonymous  
Last month

At least better than getting beaten every week and by some big scores. You play to your strengths, I don't see what plan or strength Cairns are playing to.

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paul  
Last month

"Analytics has squashed that, and the low scores had as much to do with the snail pace of play Fearne teams played at."

Firstly, being able to slow more talented teams who are looking to play fast is not easy, and it takes good offensive and defensive discipline to do so.

Secondly, and most importantly, Fearne's Taipans were in the top half of the league for defensive rating in 5 of his last 7 years (I don't have stats for his two seasons before that).

So we have a team that was good enough to slow teams down and also good enough to keep them to reasonably low points-per-possession totals, despite having less talent than their opponents more often than not.

Sounds like a pretty decent tick to Fearne.

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koberulz  
Last month

1400 seats more than the Convention Centre. Venue is a massive upgrade in almost every way
The seating layout and the way it's lit make it look really cheap on TV though.

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Haz  
Last month

I dont mind the look of the venue. The capacity suits the Brisbane fanbase and its not too small either so theres room for growth. For me the atmosphere looked decent on TV and the stadium itself was fine. Certainly didnt have a rec centre feel for me.

Sure its not an elite state of the art arena, but it seems that Brisbane isnt ready for one anyway.

I'd be more concerned with the crowd number. 2000 is dreadful especially for a season opener and moreso for a new venue. Was there no curiosity factor?

Their new owners have a lot of work to do yet.

I also notice the same excuses being made about poor crowds being that traffic is really bad and the time slot isnt great. If you cant get more than 3000 on a Friday night then you may as well play at noon on a Wednesday.

Traffic problems and issues getting there? I can sympathise, but this is not unique to Brisbane only. A car breakdown on the mitchell or kwinanna freeway and all of a sudden it can take over an hour to get to Perth Arena if driving from either end of the city.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"The seating layout and the way it's lit make it look really cheap on TV though."

Looked good to me.

"If you cant get more than 3000 on a Friday night then you may as well play at noon on a Wednesday. Traffic problems and issues getting there? I can sympathise, but this is not unique to Brisbane only."

I'm not sure any other capital city NBL teams play games at 6.30pm on a Friday out in the suburbs. Would be good to give them a chance by allowing them some 7.30pm or even 7pm Friday games. That said they do have a lot of work to do to build their fan base.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Would be good to give them a chance by allowing them some 7.30pm or even 7pm Friday games.


You would if you abided by daylight saving like the rest of the country.

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GordonG47  
Last month

You would if you abided by daylight saving like the rest of the country.


Rest of the country doesn't have daylight saving.

In Australia, Daylight saving is observed in New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania, the Australian Capital Territory and Norfolk Island. Daylight saving is not observed in Queensland, the Northern Territory, Western Australia, Christmas Island or the Cocos (Keeling) Islands.


Fades the cows and puts the curtains off their milk, everyone knows that :)

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Perthworld  
Last month

We aren't allowed to have daylight saving in WA since it stands for Wait Awhile.

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koberulz  
Last month

The DST states ought to abolish it. That's the real solution here.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Gordon

No daylight savings in Eucla region either (Australian Central Western Time).

Other time zone anomalies are Broken Hill area (uses ACDT), "train time" on The Indian Pacific and Lord Howe Island Time (30 min ahead of NSW/ AEST in standard time, same time during Daylight Saving). I'd love to know what what time zone is used for the Australian Antarctic Territory (or Australian Antarctic Penguin Time).

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

KR

Won't happen, because DST makes sense in redistributing daylight hours to the end of the day. It allows people to engage in outdoor recreation after day shift working hours.

On the Qld/NSW border it helps to spread the traffic a bit more in peak hour on the M1/Pacific Hwy. I’m loving being able to sleep in for early morning trips to Brisbane. People who work in NSW time and live in Qld also get the same benefit of more daylight hours after returning home from work.

If legal papers need to be lodged with a Federal Court, eastern states law firms can gain an extra 2/3 hours (depending on Daylight Savings status) by lodging them in Perth, supposedly. Don’t think I’d trust lawyers who need that to finish their work on time though.

We can catch tv shows we’ve missed, by watching Gold Coast channels an hour after NSW start times.

In Tweed/Coolangatta mobile phones switch between towers, and therefore time changes by an hour each way, at this time of year. You can be in 3 different time zones at once if you’re inside Time Zone Coolangatta.

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Perthworld  
Last month

The DST states ought to abolish it. That's the real solution here.

Typical backward Perth mentality on display right here. We need DST.
You can be in 3 different time zones at once if you're inside Time Zone Coolangatta.

Haha, who can forget this. Classic.

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koberulz  
Last month

Why do we need DST?

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Perthworld  
Last month

In WA?

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koberulz  
Last month

Anywhere, really. Screwing with your sleep schedule like that is incredibly bad for you.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

I actually googled Antarctic time zones. According to timeanddate.com there is no actual Australian Antarctic Penguin Time. I am most disappointed.

"What is the Time Zone at the South Pole?
The Earth's longitudes meet on the geographical South Pole in Antarctica. This means that, in theory, any of the world's time zones could be used there. However, since it is usually accessed via New Zealand, the Amundsen-Scott station located on the South Pole observes New Zealand Standard Time (NZST) during standard time and New Zealand Daylight Time (NZDT) during the DST.
Arctic Stations on Their Own Time
Since Antarctica is largely uninhabited, the continent is not officially divided up into time zones. However, there are a number of research stations, each of which observes its own local time. Some stations use the time zone of the country that operates or supplies them, others observe the local time of countries nearby.
For example, Palmer Station is a United States research station, but it keeps Chile Summer Time (CLST) as Chile is the closest country.
McMurdo Station, however, follows New Zealand Standard Time (NZST) during standard time and New Zealand Daylight Time (NZDT) during the Daylight Saving Time (DST) period in New Zealand.
Troll Station changes between Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) and Central European Summer Time (CEST), which are 2 hours apart."

There is a Mawson Station time also, which is the Australian base there. It's GMT (or UTC or Zulu Time) Plus 5 hours. That puts it in line with Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Karachi, Lahore and Southern France zone, amongst others.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Personally I prefer extra sunshine while awake.

Sleep issues are fixed with it too - even with DST the sun would set at 8-8:30PM so it's a non-issue. What actually screws with sleep is intense sunlight at 5:30AM without the adjustment.

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koberulz  
Last month

What screws with sleep is going to work at 9am for six months and then suddenly having to wake up an hour earlier to get to work at 8am.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

I don't think Daylight Saving could be observed in Antarctica.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Funnily enough I had a client who worked on Penguin Island and then Mawson station. I recall checking e-mail headers to see what time zone he was in on base.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Is Penguin Island on the Mawson time zone?

Mawson Station Coordinates: 67.6033° S, 62.8742° E
Penguin Island coordinates: 32.3057° S, 115.6906° E

So it's about 1/6 of 360 deg difference in longitude, or 1/6 of a world away longitudinally (not that the distance would be much that close to the pole).

These things are important.

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Perthworld  
Last month

I got the name of the island wrong. It was Macquarie Island - home of the royal penguins.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

MI 54.6208° S, 158.8556° E

Currently on AEDT

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Anonymous  
Last month

Paul,

It wasn't "slowing opposition teams" it was slowing themselves! Literally suicide for the current game. The successful style of play is completely different in 2019 than it was in 2015! I think you misunderstood slowing the pace. I meant it was self imposed. The idea is to slow the other team but to play fast yourself. Slow the other team and run out.

Definitely not a tick at all.

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koberulz  
Last month

The idea is to slow the other team but to play fast yourself.
[citation needed]

When you lack talent, you shorten the game to decrease the chances the other team has to build a lead. That means slowing both teams down.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Madness basketball. There is no world in 2019 where ANY team is trying to slow the game down at the offensive end! That is prehistoric! That is literally the ultimate goal of any defence is to slow a team down to get them under control. To willingly slow yourself down is suicide! Because when teams get a stop they dictate brute own offensive pace! Do you literally think that because one team is slowing down and playing slow that another team will? Absolutely crazy! That's a really dated game plan

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paul  
Last month

"It wasn't "slowing opposition teams" it was slowing themselves!"

Incorrect. You have to do both, and the Taipans were close to the best in the league at slowing opposition teams. Fearne's initial strategy was around not contesting offensive boards and having a highly-structured d-trans.

Then, after a few years of getting close he decided they needed extra possessions if they were going to win big games against the best teams. That's where they created the "tagging up" principle of o-boards/d-trans to enable them to do both.

This concept is now used by teams around the globe, but it was never as successful at slowing opponents as Fearne's original d-trans concept. In those earlier years the Taipans' defence was a very tough nut to crack.

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paul  
Last month

"Madness basketball. There is no world in 2019 where ANY team is trying to slow the game down at the offensive end! That is prehistoric!"

Out of interest, the top four teams in the NBL last season played at the slowest pace. It's about getting the ball into offence quickly, but not necessarily taking the quickest shot unless it's a good one.

Still one of the most effective methods in basketball is making opponents play defence for long periods throughout the game, through good execution and ball movement, and through offensive rebounding.

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Anonymous  
Last month

That's false. The offence's job is to find an action/situation that statistically benefits the offensive player. There is no offence that turns down the match up heyre looking for "slowing the pace down". They attack the second they have that no matter how long it takes. Will Weaver is the definatition of this! The old days of "don't attack cause we haven't taken enough time off the clock" are dead. Extremely dated.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Weaver let's his side attack fast but there ball movement when there is no early shot is fantastic, Kickett looked like KD today he was so open. They were not first option shots. Obviously if you rebound and it’s coast to coast or a one pass lay up you don’t worry about the clock but to say Weaver just goes first pass shoot is BS.

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paul  
Last month

"That's false. The offence's job is to find an action/situation that statistically benefits the offensive player."

Exactly. And that's why I wrote:

"It's about getting the ball into offence quickly, but not necessarily taking the quickest shot unless it's a good one."

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Anonymous  
Last month

Don't understand how Cairns put their side together, Kelly had first hand knowledge of Melbourne's bench players, surely Smith-Milner, Adnam, Moller and even Jurlina who played in Cairns are better than Krislovic, Djeric and Deng. Cairns should get their Australian contingent right and get two good imports around them. Jawai was a good start but the rest looks poor. Kelly was such a good defensive player and he picks these blokes and others.

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