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European Basketball Club Budgets 2019-20 Season $US Dollars

2019-20 EuroLeague (top-tier European level) basketball budgets:

1. FC Barcelona (Spain) - $45.2 million USD
2. CSKA Moscow (Russia) - $44.9 million USD
3. Real Madrid (Spain) - $44.1 million USD
4. Khimki Moscow Region (Russia) - $36.7 million USD
5. Olimpia Milan (Italy) - $34.2 million USD
6. Fenerbahce Istanbul (Turkey) - $33.1 million USD
7. Zenit Saint-Petersburg (Russia) - $29.4 million USD
8. Efes Istanbul (Turkey) - $26.5 million USD
9. Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel) - $26.5 million USD
10. FC Bayern Munich (Germany) - $25.3 million USD
11. Saski Baskonia Vitoria-Gasteiz (Spain) - $17.6 million USD
12. Olympiacos Piraeus Athens (Greece) - $17.6 million USD
13. Valencia Basket (Spain) - $16.5 million USD
14. Panathinaikos Athens (Greece) - $15.4 million USD
15. Zalgiris Kaunas (Lithuania) - $13.1 million USD
16. ASVEL Basket Lyon-Villeurbanne (France) - $12.7 million USD
17. Alba Berlin (Germany) - $12.1 million USD
18. Red Star Belgrade (Serbia) - $9.2 million USD

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Sobey Fan  
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2019-20 EuroCup (2nd-tier European level) basketball budgets:

1. Lokomotiv Kuban Krasnodar (Russia) - $21.5 million USD
2. UNICS Kazan (Russia) - $15.7 million USD
3. Virtus Bologna (Italy) - $15.4 million USD
4. Reyer Venice Mestre (Italy) - $13.2 million USD
5. Malaga Baloncesto (Spain) - $12.1 million USD
6. AS Monaco Basket (France) - $11.0 million USD
7. Galatasaray Istanbul (Turkey) - $11.0 million USD
8. Partizan Belgrade (Serbia) - $9.4 million USD
9. Cedevita Olimpija Ljubljana (Slovenia) - $9.4 million USD
10. Budocnost Podgorica (Montenegro) - $9.4 USD
11. EWE Baskets Oldenburg (Germany) - $9.4 million USD
12. Ratiopharm Ulm (Germany) - $8.9 million USD
13. Limoges CSP (France) - $8.3 million USD
14. Tofas Bursa (Turkey) - $8.3 million USD
15. Darssuafaka Istanbul (Turkey) - $8.3 million USD
16. Andorra Basquet (Spain) - $6.6 million USD
17. Aquila Trento (Italy) - $6.6 million USD
18. Brescia Leonessa (Italy) - $6.6 million USD
19. Nanterre 92 (France) - $5.6 million USD
20. Promitheas Patras (Greece) - $5.5 million USD
21. Arka Gydnia (Poland) - $5.5 million USD
22. Joventut Badalona (Spain) - $5 million USD
23. Rytas Vilnius (Lithuania) - $5 million USD
24. Maccabi Rishon LeZion (Israel) - $5 million USD

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Sobey Fan  
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2019-20 FIBA Champions League (BCL) (2nd-tier European level) basketball budgets:

1. Brose Baskets Bamberg (Germany) - $15.4 million USD
2. AEK Athens (Greece) - $13.2 million USD
3. Hapoel Jerusalem (Israel) - $11 million USD
4. Besiktas Istanbul (Turkey) - $11 million USD
5. Bandirma Basket (Turkey) - $11 million USD
6. Turk Telekom Ankara (Turkey) -$11 million USD
7. 1939 Canarias (Spain) - $10 million USD
8. Gaziantep Basket (Turkey) - $9.4 million USD
9. SIG Strasbourg Basket (France) - $8.4 million USD
10. Nizhny Novgorod (Russia) - $7.2 million USD
11. Basket Zaragoza (Spain) - $7.2 million USD
12. Baskets Bonn (Germany) - $7.2 million USD
13. Dinamo Sassari (Italy) - $6.6 million USD
14. New Basket Brindisi (Italy) - $6.6 million USD
15. Pau-Orthez (France) - $6.3 million USD
16. Basquet Manresa (Spain) - $5.5 million USD
17. PAOK Thessaloniki (Greece) - $5.5 million USD
18. JDA Dijon Basket (France) - $5.5 million USD
19. Peristeri Athens (Greece) - $5.5 million USD
20. Basket Miraflores Burgos (Spain) - $5.5 million USD
21. Basketball Nymburk (Germany) - $5.5 million USD
22. VEF Riga (Latvia) - $5 million USD
23. Neptunas Klaipeda (Lithuania) - $5 million USD
24. Hapoel Holon (Israel) - $5 million USD
25. Oostende (Belgium) - $4.4 million USD
26. Antwerp Giants (Belgium) - $4.4 million USD
27. Rasta Vechta (Germany) - $4.4 million USD
28. Mornar Bar (Montenegro) - $4.4 million USD

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Anonymous  
Last month

nbl club budgets ? around 2 million aussie dollars ?

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Anonymous  
Last month

They don't get much bang for their buck compared to the NBL.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Is this there operation budget or just their roster budget?

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MACDUB  
Last month

Full operation budget. So on top of player salaries, travel costs, venue hire, accommodation, insurance, medical etc.

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Reality  
Last month

Only 2 imports on each team but lets be frank these top EU teams would hands it to us!

We are lucky the top few NBL teams have a strong Aussie base of players however outside of the top 2 aussie teams we are very average and need the imports to even make those teams close to NBL standard.


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Anonymous  
Last month

'We are lucky the top few NBL teams have a strong Aussie base of players however outside of the top 2 aussie teams we are very average and need the imports to even make those teams close to NBL standard.'

....We need imports to make the top NBL teams.... NBL standard?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Euro teams have more than two imports, there are certain rules around playing conditions in different local leagues and European leagues but lots of sides up to five.
A lot of those clubs mentioned also have stadiums that hold a lot less than Australian stadiums.
Players like Anderson, Newley, Nielsen have had very well paid careers over the years in Europe, Motum at present as well.

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Sobey Fan  
Last month


Anonymous

Is this there operation budget or just their roster budget?

Full operation budget. So on top of player salaries, travel costs, venue hire, accommodation, insurance, medical etc.


MACDUB

Full operation budget. So on top of player salaries, travel costs, venue hire, accommodation, insurance, medical etc.

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It's the budget for the net player salaries, the player taxes, and in some cases, the player costs like car, utilities, living, and also in some cases, agent salary and tax of the player agents. For a few teams, it also includes just the net salary of the head coach. For some teams, like the Greek EuroLeague clubs, it's just the cost of the player net salary and their taxes (gross player salary), so for the Greek EuroLeague clubs, exactly the same as NBA lists their budgets, as "gross player salary".

EuroLeague has its own soft salary cap now, fully implemented this year, that is the same principle as the NBA soft cap and luxury tax. Only EuroLeague's is more strict. There are rules for the overall budgets and the player budgets, and also penalties which go to teams over the cap, and get distributed to teams under the cap, like what the NBA calls "luxury tax".

The entire operating budget is more. That includes for all of the teams, player and coach per diem, player and coach living and car costs and utilities, salary and taxes for the player and coach agents. Team expenses, travel costs, arena costs, insurance, costs for the trainers and doctors. Also, the costs of the development clubs (like their version of NBA G League), which some clubs also have. Some of these costs can vary a lot, as for example, EuroLeague teams now use private jet flights for EuroLeague road games, while other European clubs don't.

But they are not releasing those full operating budgets, as of yet, for most European clubs. Some of the operating budgets that are available:

CSKA Moscow (Russia) - $50 million USD

FC Barcelona (Spain) - $50 million USD

Real Madrid (Spain) - $48.6 million USD

Fenerbache Istanbul (Turkey) - $40 million USD

Olimpia Milan (Italy) - $38.6 million USD

Efes Istanbul (Turkey) - $30 million USD

Maccabi tel Aviv (Israel) - $30 million USD

FC Bayern Munich (Germany) - $27.6 million USD

Olympiacos Piraeus (Greece) - $25.4 million USD

Panathinaikos Athens (Greece) - $22.1 million USD

UNICS Kazan (Russia) - $22.1 million USD

Brose Baskets Bamberg (Germany) - $22.1 million USD

Saski Baskonia Vitoria-Gastiez (Spain) - $20 million USD

Valencia Basket (Spain) - $18.5 million USD

Virtus Bologna (Italy) - $16.6 million USD

Malaga Baloncesto (Spain) - $15.5 million USD

Tofas Bursa (Turkey) - $11 million USD

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Sobey Fan  
Last month


Anonymous
A few hours ago

Euro teams have more than two imports, there are certain rules around playing conditions in different local leagues and European leagues but lots of sides up to five.
A lot of those clubs mentioned also have stadiums that hold a lot less than Australian stadiums.
Players like Anderson, Newley, Nielsen have had very well paid careers over the years in Europe, Motum at present as well.

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EuroLeague and EuroCup have no import player limit. FIBA Champions League allows 7 imports per team. Most of the local and regional European leagues allow between 5-8 imports per team. While some also have extra allowances for when a player joins the league and how long they played there. For example, every year, several Spanish clubs have 1 or 2 Spanish players on their roster, or in some cases in recent years, they even had zero Spanish players.

Most of the EuroLeague teams also have 1-3 imports extra, over what their local league allows. With those players just playing in EuroLeague, which is doable, since now EuroLeague season is between 34-41 games long, depending on how far the team advances. And some leagues have very lax rules on giving players domestic licences, so they can count as imports. Like in Israel. For instance, Maccabi Yel Aviv would often have almost every American on the team counted as an Israeli.

I think most EuroLeague teams have like at least 7 imports, while some have 10 or more.


As for the arenas:

EuroLeague minimum arena capacity for clubs with a contract (11 teams):

10,000 (no waivers)


EuroLeague minimum arena capacity for all other clubs:

7,000

(clubs that are building a new arena can get a waiver until it is built, to play in a minimum 5,000 arena).


EuroCup minimum arena capacity:
2,700 (no waivers)


FIBA Champions League minimum capacity:

3,000

(clubs can get a waiver, if they are building a new arena - clubs with a waiver must play in at least a 1,500 arena).


Arena rules for some of the domestic and regional leagues:

Spanish League:
5,000

Italian League:
3,500

United League (former Soviet League):
3,000

French League:
3,000

German League:
3,000

Turkish League:
2,000 (increasing to 3,000 in the future)

Adriatic League (former Yugoslav League):
2,000

Israeli League:
1,500

Greek League:
1,000 (increasing to 3,000 in the future)

The EuroLeague teams are almost all either building new arenas, or expanding their current ones. Most EuroLeague teams will be playing in modern style arenas, with 12,000 to 20,000 capacities, within the next few years.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Great work Sobey Fan. It's always interesting to see how it’s done elsewhere and great to euro basketball getting bigger.

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Sobey Fan  
Last month

Olympiacos signed some new players and their budget went up. So revised EuroLeague budgets are:


2019-20 EuroLeague (top-tier European level) basketball budgets:

1. FC Barcelona (Spain) - $45.2 million USD
2. CSKA Moscow (Russia) - $44.9 million USD
3. Real Madrid (Spain) - $44.1 million USD
4. Khimki Moscow Region (Russia) - $36.7 million USD
5. Olimpia Milan (Italy) - $34.2 million USD
6. Fenerbahce Istanbul (Turkey) - $33.1 million USD
7. Zenit Saint-Petersburg (Russia) - $29.4 million USD
8. Efes Istanbul (Turkey) - $26.5 million USD
9. Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel) - $26.5 million USD
10. FC Bayern Munich (Germany) - $25.3 million USD
11. Olympiacos Piraeus Athens (Greece) - $18 million USD
12. Saskia Baskonia Vitoria-Gasteiz (Spain) - $17.6 million USD
13. Valencia Basket (Spain) - $16.5 million USD
14. Panathinaikos Athens (Greece) - $15.4 million USD
15. Zalgiris Kaunas (Lithuania) - $13.1 million USD
16. ASVEL Basket Lyon-Villeurbanne (France) - $12.7 million USD
17. Alba Berlin (Germany) - $12.1 million USD
18. Red Star Belgrade (Serbia) - $9.2 million USD

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Perthworld  
Last month

https://nbl.com.au/tv/euroleague-live-games

Real Madrid-Barcelona live on Friday morning.

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paul  
Last month

"I think most EuroLeague teams have like at least 7 imports, while some have 10 or more."

As some examples:

CSKA Moscow have three + three naturalised

Barcelona have three + two naturalised

Macabbi Tel Aviv have five + five naturalised

Milano have two + three naturalised

Anadolu Efes have four + one naturalised



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Anonymous  
Last month

Nbl team definitely get bang for their buck.

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Sobey Fan  
Last month


paul


"As some examples:

CSKA Moscow have three + three naturalised

Barcelona have three + two naturalised

Macabbi Tel Aviv have five + five naturalised

Milano have two + three naturalised

Anadolu Efes have four + one naturalised"


I count 9 plus four naturalised (Bolomboy) for CSKA

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=CSK&seasoncode=E2019


I count 12 plus 1 naturalised (Mirotic) for Barcelona

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=BAR&seasoncode=E2019


I count 9 plus 2 naturalised (Burns and Brooks) for Milano

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=MIL&seasoncode=E2019


I count 9 for Efes

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=IST&seasoncode=E2019

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Sobey Fan  
Last month

I meant to type:

I count 9 plus 1 naturalised (Bolomboy) for CSKA

https://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=CSK&seasoncode=E2019

So for that group of teams, they have this number of total imports:


CSKA Moscow - 10

Barcelona - 13

Maccabi Tel Aviv - 10

Milano - 11

Anadolu Efes - 9

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paul  
Last month

I see, you're counting European players as imports? Over there, all Europeans are considered locals, just as all Aussies and Kiwis are considered locals in the NBL.

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Perthworld  
Last month

You can't count it like that Sobey Fan due to the Kolpak ruling.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Bosman ruling I meant to say above, Kolpak ruling to a lesser extent.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"....We need imports to make the top NBL teams.... NBL standard?"

No, just the league worth watching.

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Sobey Fan  
Last month

European players always count as imports if they are in a different country. They don't count Europeans as non imports. They are always counted as imports. That's always been that way, and still that way now.

There is no such thing as anyone from Europe not counting as an import anywhere in Europe.

EuroLeague has no limit on imports.

EuroCup has no limit on imports.

FIBA Champions League allows 7 imports, and any player from a different country, whether European or not, counts as an import.

European national domestic leagues, all follow FIBA rules, and all players from a different country, whether they are European or not, count as imports in each domestic league.

It's been that way always. Having a European passport from a different European country, means you count against an import quota. Every single national and regional league in Europe operates under those rules.

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paul  
Last month

"European players always count as imports if they are in a different country. They don't count Europeans as non imports."

Incorrect mate, the courts ruled against that more than 20 years ago. Have a read of this:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/141771-whats-wrong-with-the-beautiful-game-part-2-the-bosman-ruling

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AngusH  
Last month

Yeah, that's one of the talking points of Brexit with the Premier League in the UK also - haven't heard much about it recently, but it was one of big topics right after the vote.

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AngusH  
Last month

"They don't get much bang for their buck compared to the NBL."

^^^ Also tend to agree with this. I mean, FC Barcelona have some serious talent, especially Spanish talent with Mirotic/Claver/Abrines. If they play Melbourne United 10 times though, how many wins do Melbourne get? 2-3? Size and depth would be the biggest concerns, but these would be closer games than the NBA/NBL games.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sorry but FC Barcelona would destroy Melbourne

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Anonymous  
Last month

Don't think so. They would be close games.

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Sobey Fan  
Last month

Any player that isn't from the country of the league they are playing in, counts as an import, regardless of whether they have European passports or not. I looked it up thoroughly and verified it. It's that way through all European basketball leagues and always has been.

So yes, if you are a French player, and playing in Germany, you count as an import player.

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Sobey Fan  
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Olympiacos and Panathinaikos updated their budgets, after they signed new players and also a new coach (Rick Pitino) in the case of Panathinaikos.

2019-20 EuroLeague (top-tier European level) basketball budgets:

1. FC Barcelona (Spain) - $45.2 million USD
2. CSKA Moscow (Russia) - $44.9 million USD
3. Real Madrid (Spain) - $44.1 million USD
4. Khimki Moscow Region (Russia) - $36.7 million USD
5. Olimpia Milan (Italy) - $34.2 million USD
6. Fenerbahce Istanbul (Turkey) - $33.1 million USD
7. Zenit Saint-Petersburg (Russia) - $29.4 million USD
8. Efes Istanbul (Turkey) - $26.5 million USD
9. Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel) - $26.5 million USD
10. FC Bayern Munich (Germany) - $25.3 million USD
11. Panathinaikos Athens (Greece) - $23.7 million USD
12. Olympiacos Piraeus Athens (Greece) - $23.2 million USD
13. Saskia Baskonia Vitoria-Gasteiz (Spain) - $17.6 million USD
14. Valencia Basket (Spain) - $16.5 million USD
15. Zalgiris Kaunas (Lithuania) - $13.1 million USD
16. ASVEL Basket Lyon-Villeurbanne (France) - $12.7 million USD
17. Alba Berlin (Germany) - $12.1 million USD
18. Red Star Belgrade (Serbia) - $9.2 million USD

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