Anonymous
Two years ago

Parity seems good in the nbl

A very tight ladder, many teams in the playoff race and it feels like all teams are capable of beating each other.

Looks like the doomsayers saying the teams spending over the cap would destroy the competitive element of the competition might've been off the mark?

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Injuries effected teams.

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Every day is SUNDAY  
Two years ago

This will end well....

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

It's certainly looking that way, the competition is a lot closer than most competitions around the world.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If you think four teams battling it out for fourth spot is what parity means then you're an idiot.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

It's top 3 then daylight. That daylight is fighting to be the 4th team, who will then be belted in the first round of the playoffs. That’s not really the true definition of parity. Also, this was just a weird round where every underdog seemingly lifted, that doesn’t happen often in the NBL to such a degree.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

It's top 3 then daylight. That daylight is fighting to be the 4th team, who will then be belted in the first round of the playoffs. That’s not really the true definition of parity. Also, this was just a weird round where every underdog seemingly lifted, that doesn’t happen often in the NBL to such a degree.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

That top 3 daylight is getting closer every week. Any team can win on any given day.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

No it isn't. United are putting a bigger lead between them and whoever is in fourth every week.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

If Cairns are fourth they have beaten all top three teams, Perth and Melbourne twice if I recall correctly. That's even to me.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Ok, so in a 3 game series, you have cairns (who are good) beating United, Sydney or the cats? I know it's a definite no for the 36ers bullets or anyone else lower. Don’t get results in the early stages of a season confused with finals basketball. It’s a 3 horse race and maybe cairns snatch one at home. Maybe.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Aaron Fearne will be proud of this team. Go Orange.

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D2.0  
Two years ago

So what the OP is saying is that its fine for the top teams to overspend on stars, provided they injure them?

Not sure that's a very practical way to run a league.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Fuck me, if Cairns had not lost to Illawarra three times they would be second. There is still just under half a season to go, form and injuries can change things very quickly. Yes the top three could be favourites but it's still open.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Yeah, and if Randle did not hit two game winners against non-playoff teams where would that team be? Up shit creek without a paddle. Despite that, Radelaide fans continue to trash him. Typical.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cairns 8-9
Adelaide 8-9
S.E 7-8
Brisbane 7-9
Nz 6-10, good 6 game stretch...


I think nz will rocket up and fight cairns and s.e for final 4.
Cairns need noi and s.e need a fully firing Wesley.

I don't see Brisbane, Adelaide with a shot.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Brisbane just beat Sydney, the championship favourites. Adelaide didn't have a good weekend, but they destroyed Perth at RAC Arena. Very capable team on their day.

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Bert  
Two years ago

This isn't much different to other seasons really.
There is always a battle for fourth spot. Right now it's basically double point games and teams can't afford to slip up.

Upsets of this round are an anomaly which creates the illusion there is more parity.

Still Sydney, Perth then daylight.
United if they get it together could challenge the top two.

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LV  
Two years ago

I don't think it’s top 3 then daylight

It’s more like

Sydney
Melbourne
Perth
Everyone else

Right now there seems to be 3 legit contenders. 2 and a half really, cos Perth (with their current roster) might struggle against Sydney and United once they’re healthy and settled (if that ever actually happens).

But Perth have won 4 of the last 6 titles, so let’s call it 3 legit contenders. The same 3 legit contenders there were last year. One of them signed the best player from one of the other contenders (Ware), another signed the best players from two of the lower ranked teams (Trimble, Long), the other one kept their championship team together with minor changes (Hunt, Majok in for Brandt, Jervis, Hire).

So there’s definitely the haves and the have nots, the spenders and the budget teams.

I’m not convinced this is necessarily a terrible thing for the NBL though.

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LV  
Two years ago

[One of them signed the best player from one of the other contenders (Ware)]

That should really read, one of them signed the Best player from one of the other contenders (Ware), put together an incredibly talented team, and then at mid season signed a guy who made the Australian team ahead of Mitch Creek and Brock Motum (Cooks)

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Duke Fan  
Two years ago

"signed a guy who made the Australian team ahead of Mitch Creek and Brock Motum (Cooks)"

Touch misleading that statement. There was far more to that selection than basketball ability

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"I don't think it's top 3 then daylight

It’s more like

Sydney
Melbourne
Perth
Everyone else"

Ummm.....

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

LV you really are unusual. You disagreed with my assessment, then agreed with it by using the same mindset I had about the top 3 teams then daylight haha

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Three to Make Two  
Two years ago

Looking at the Hawks, they have lost 4 games by 5 or less and in 3 others were within 5 pts into the 4th quarter. Sure, they had a couple of blowout losses but (hypothetically) if 2 or 3 shots dropped and a couple of the opposition's didn't, the Hawks could be on 11 wins. Hypothetically, of course.

And I'm sure that this might be the case for the other teams. So, while you might have your "legitimate contenders", the wins against the bottom teams isn't a given.

Also, someone commented that Cairns has beaten each of the top teams? The Hawks own Cairns!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Off topic but big Angus Brandt having a great season in Italy. Shows the nbl in a good light.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

This mentality of if a couple of shots fell here or there is so odd. Sports is based on actual results, that's it. There is no what could of been moments that change what actually is.

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LV  
Two years ago

[LV you really are unusual. You disagreed with my assessment, then agreed with it by using the same mindset I had about the top 3 teams then daylight haha]

I disagree with the idea of lumping all 3 into one group

To my mind Sydney has clearly been the team to beat and will only be better once Cooks settles in plus Moller and Lisch are back. United is a clear 2nd- we saw what they did to Perth, and they haven't had a full team for any length of time yet either. Their ceiling is higher than Perths, only continued injuries will keep them down.

Perth is 3rd, they comfortably won the GF and have only made a small downgrade this year.

And then there's everybody else.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

The lengths LV goes to, to not give Perth any credit is hysterical.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Yeah LV, like you just did, I pumped all 3 of the big dogs in one group, then the rest. It's not hard.

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Three to Make Two  
Two years ago

"This mentality of if a couple of shots fell here or there is so odd. Sports is based on actual results, that's it. There is no what could of been moments that change what actually is."

I get that, 237. But what I was showing was how even the bottom-placed team was hypothetically close to winning games even against the top teams. As you point out, this didn't eventuate in reality meaning they are the top teams ans the Hawks aren't. But the parity isn't /that/ far distant.

And, as a supporter of that team, I need that hypothetical reassurance!

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LV  
Two years ago

[

Yeah LV, like you just did, I pumped all 3 of the big dogs in one group, then the rest. It's not hard.]

My point is there's a clear hierarchy amongst the top 3. So I don't like calling it a group of "3" when there are clear favorite and a clear 2nd favorite (in my estimations)

There's no hierarchy amongst the rest. I find it very hard to split Adelaide Cairns SEM. And NZ could join those 3 if Hopson keeps this up.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Sydney trashed Melbourne, Melbourne thrashed Perth, Perth thrashed Sydney. There is no clear favourite amongst the three.

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LV  
Two years ago

Perth's had a full team, Melbourne and Sydney have not

So if it's been pretty even so far then that shows exactly why Perth is the 3rd fav

Sports bet has

Sydney $2.25
Melb 3.75
Perth 3.75

Should be more like

Sydney 2.00
Melb 3.50
Perth 4.25

Would be a better representation of each teams chances

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Perth's only had a full team once - the most recent game against Melbourne

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Perth should be favourites, four out of the last six tells you when the big games start Gleeson and his teams no how to get it done.

Melbourne with there new import are just ahead of Sydney.

Cairns should finish fourth from hear if they don't crap there pants and will be tough match up for minor premiers.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I find Melbourne questionable defensively, which will hurt their chances in the finals. Perth has a proven track record and is likely to finish top 2 with Sydney.
So I'd bet on Sydney or Perth rather than Melbourne.

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LV  
Two years ago

Perth 12-6, Melbourne 10-7 but Melbourne have the easier fixture from here.

United has 1 game left vs Sydney, 2 vs Hawks. Perth have the opposite.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

LV, just change your user name to "I Hate Perf nomatter what"
it will save you a lot of effort

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D2.0  
Two years ago

Hawks have won 4 games, and currently don't look like winning many more.
Not sure how that is parity.

If Cairsn finish 4th, sure that's great for them, but basically means the other 4 teams sucked too badly to even fight for a spot. Again, not a good example of parity.

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AngusH  
Two years ago

Parity doesn't mean that every team needs to finish with the same record. Any team is capable of winning on any given night, and the Hawks have come close despite the record. There are clearly 3 tiers of team, but the gap from #1 to #9 is not huge, either.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Cairns have beaten Perth twice, Melbourne twice, Sydney once, I'd say that is parity.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Parity doesn't mean that every team needs to finish with the same record."

ROFL

Love how people like to argue by redefining what words mean.

Parity is, by definition, a state of equality.
When we say the AUD has achieved parity with the USD, we don't mean that they are both ok currencies, it means they are approximately equal.

Parity comes from the Latin, Par, which means equal.

Whether or not you think the league is in good shape, we don't have parity.
There is no parity in the Salary budgets,
There isn't much parity in ability,
and there is certainly not parity in results.

"Any team is capable of winning on any given night,"

And again with "The English Language according to Angus"
Capable means having the ability and qualities (to win). So that is simply not true.

Its great that we have inconsistent results. Keeps things a bit interesting, but does not indicate parity.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Angus is just trying to downplay the impact the piss-taking by the Kings is having on the league.

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PeterJohn  
Two years ago

Re-inforcing anon, parity between teams would generally be interpreted as equality, or at least almost equal, chances of any team beating any other team on a given night.

This season, top 3 teams have a win-loss record of 27-9 against the rest of the league. Clearly, the top three teams are a level above the other six, this season.

At present, there are 5 wins between 1st and 4th and 2 wins between 3rd and 4th. We're about 60% of the way through the season. At the same time last season, there were 2.5 wins between 1st and 4th and 2 wins between 3rd and 4th.

In 2017-18 there were 2 wins between 1st and 4th and 1 win between 3rd and 4th.

In 2016-17, there were 3 wins between 1st and 4th and 1 win between 3rd and 4th.

In 2015-16, there were 3 wins between 1st and 4th and 1.5 wins between 3rd and 4th.

In 2014-15, there were 3.5 wins between 1st and 4th and 3 wins between 3rd and 4th. This was back in the era of Perth and NZ dominance (they were the top 2 teams at this point in the season) when people complained about the parity issue in terms of the ongoing dominance of those two clubs.

I look at those stats and feel that there is a clear and large gap between the top three teams and the rest of the league. That may change over the rest of the season but both Sydney and Melbourne have the easiest draws to the end of the season of all teams in the league. Perth have one of the stronger draws remaining, which may restore some 'parity'. They look more vulnerable this season than I can remember them looking for a long time.

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AngusH  
Two years ago

Thanks for the Latin lesson anon, but that doesn't contradict me at all because chance plays a major factor in basketball. Teams could be actually equal in all respects - attendance, advertisers revenue, salary, etc - and it still won’t mean all teams finish with equal records because guys miss, turn the ball over, etc. the best you can hope for if you aren’t being ridiculously literal is that teams face each other on equal footing each match, and I’d argue that while that’s not the case if you take the top 3 teams against nearly everyone else, it’s not as lop sided as it seems, either. I think some of the budget teams have done a much more efficient job building their rosters within the budgets that have to reach near parity. Hawks unlucky with injuries, because with Brooks and Ball all season long it would probably have been a different story for them. Cairns did incredibly well with import selection and nabbing Deng for probably a bargain price. NZ unlucky with injuries and some self inflicted wounds, otherwise would also be battling for the top 4.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Angus, you need to put away the bong dude.

"Teams could be actually equal in all respects - attendance, advertisers revenue, salary, etc"

Okay, so you argument is that we could have parity and things could still go to shit, so therefore because things have gone to shit we must have parity.

So, you could be a genius and still talk crap, ergo you must be a genius???

we don't have parity, in anything. end of discussion

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AngusH  
Two years ago

"Okay, so you argument is that we could have parity and things could still go to shit, so therefore because things have gone to shit we must have parity."

Uh, no, my point was exactly what I said - you can have parity (meaning 'equality', from the latin 'par' I'm led to believe) in all aspects of the teams on and off the court, and teams won't have equal records, because that's not what anyone means when they say a league has parity. Equal doesn't mean exactly alike, because to use your own example (I guess its yours anyway, being anons and all), AUD and USD achieving parity it doesn't mean they are exactly the same currencies, "it means they are approximately equal", and THAT is my point.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

For all those concerned about parity, you should check out some of the European leagues, or even European football leagues. There is a far greater imbalance there. Comparatively the NBL is actually quite good in that respect, the fact the league has relatively few teams definitely helps. 8 of the 9 teams have a legitimate shot at making the playoffs at the halfway point in the season. NZ have really only been unlucky with injuries, but have been frisky lately. Hawks have been close as has been pointed out, and if they had their stuff together - bad import choices mainly, but also average coaching - then they might be in with a chance as well. Some teams will obviously fade, whether that be through injury or poor form, but most teams should feel like their in with a chance on any given night. Lack of daylight for mine.

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Five teams fighting for the right to join Sydney, Perth and United in the finals.
I suppose you could say there is parity amongst that quintet.

Don't get too carried away with Cairns beating top teams they also have lost three to Illawarra lol.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Perth 12-6, Melbourne 10-7 but Melbourne have the easier fixture from here.

United has 1 game left vs Sydney, 2 vs Hawks. Perth have the opposite"

Fucken LOL!!!

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

LOL all you want but Melbourne is still way better than Perth

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Melbourne have individual players trying to play team. Long is so overrated.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Other than as usual Perth, who have Gleeson controlling the refs, I'd say parity is even more and more.

Perth then daylight.

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Wendy Byrd  
Two years ago

Only 2 losses seperate third and eighth. Kings slowly coming back to the pack too. Very interesting competition this year

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

I believe it's actually only 1 loss, i don't think the ladder has updated yet

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Teams
1 on 13-5
1 on 13-6
1 on 10-9
1 on 9-9
1 on 8-9
3 on 8-10
1 on 4-13


From 3rd to 8th is anyone's game.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Parity my arse.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

Everyone

*Daylight*

Hawks

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Everyone

*Daylight*

Hawks"

That didn't age well!

Hawks show the parity in the league is good!

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Err they're dead last and three games behind the rest with only ten to play.

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Anonymous  
Two years ago

"Err they're dead last and three games behind the rest with only ten to play."

Yes, but they are more than capable of beating the other teams. That's what you want to see. Of course some teams will fall behind and some will move to the front but if you show up to a game or turn the TV on you want to know that either team has a solid chance to win.

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Perthworld  
Two years ago

Understood. Having no complete no hoper teams is nice.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Another good day for parity with the Sixers beating the Cats.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Vickerman, who has been a head NBL coach since 2013 and involved in the NBL since 2004, said he hadn't seen a season like it.

"This league is crazy - anyone can beat anyone," Vickerman said on Thursday.

"There's always going to be that play-off run where you've got three teams fighting for the last spot but the depth of how far it's gone down this year - I haven't seen anything like it in my 16 years in the league.""

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