Anonymous
Last month

Sixers have fourth highest paid team in NBL: Cooper

Luke Cooper has tweeted that he has "a very good word" that Adelaide are the fourth highest paying team in the league. I wouldn't have picked it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

https://twitter.com/lukecooper14/status/1221247437790048256?s=20

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Anonymous  
Last month

Depends who his source is. But this wouldn't surprise me. They’ve over paid a few on potential. I’m sure jack McVeigh for example is being paid overs.

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ME  
Last month

Well... maybe? Sydney, Perth, Melbourne are clearly ahead. I'd dare say New Zealand would be as well. But either way, this year Adelaide hasn't been any good. They wont be in the playoffs. I never liked the mix of players they had. But if they're fourth highest paying, wouldn't surprise me if most of that is going to Randle, who hasn't justified that kind of pay in my opinion.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Oh but apparently randle is on cheap money lol it's been rumoured that griffen is the man who has taken a big chunk. But end is the day the team is terribly constructed. If they’ve spent a fair bit on this roster, that’s bad luck on them and who has been given the keys to put that roster together.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Sexy headline but in reality the Sixers wouldn't be in the same stratosphere as Melbourne, Sydney and Perth.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Cooper said someone on the team told him that after Boti said it wasn't true.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Zodiac, you mentioned 3 teams ahead of Adelaide potentially. That would indeed play into the rumour of being the 4th

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Anonymous  
Last month

Perth Sydney Melbourne are all locked in to be spending more

Cairns Illawarra & SEM are all locked in to be spending less

So that leaves Adelaide, Brisbane and NZ. Brisbane are spending less than what you think - 2 budget imports and no real marquee aussies other than Sobey & Gliddon but they arent going to be on HUGE money.

I'd say NZ would be spending more than Adelaide but a fair bit of money would be going into Randle & Griffin. NZ have Hopson Ashley & Henry who have had great euro careers and then factor in Webster and Rice Jr as well

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Zodiac  
Last month

Umm yeah that's exactly what I was saying lol

Fourth highest paid team in the league sounds outrageous but I'm willing to bet Melbourne, Sydney & Perth are all spending at least twice the amount on their rosters than the Sixers are.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they were fourth, it’s just that the top three (Sydney, Melbourne, Perth) are spending so much more.

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Anonymous  
Last month

So if they're spending the fourth most, and finish sixth, have they underachieved

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Anonymous  
Last month

Any time you have a losing record, you've underachieved.

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Anonymous  
Last month

His source would be White - they're mates

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Anonymous  
Last month

His source would have been his dad who would have misheard it from someone else and repeated it Chinese whispers style to try and stay relevant to a league that has long passed him by.

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Anonymous  
Last month

That sounds about right

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KET  
Last month

" That is 100% bulldust. That "Good word" couldn't be further from the truth. Teys, Drmic, Froling, Kyei, White, Dillon there for Joey, not $$" from Boti

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Zodiac  
Last month

Yeah Boti has said this statement is complete BS.

I would've had the Sixers 5th maybe even 6th on roster spend.

I'm sure Boti didn't unintentionally leave out DJ either.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Randle has historically been a 400k import

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Zodiac  
Last month

He was still a free agent in October he wouldn't be on anywhere near that this season.

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KET  
Last month

God spending tier: Sydney
Royalty tier: Melbourne, Perth
Spend to be competitive tier: SEM NZ
Pleb tier: Brisbane Adelaide
Peasantry tier: Cairns, Illawarra

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lol, not peasantry tier!

Cairns doing pretty well for themselves then.

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KET  
Last month

They are absolutely smashing it, credit to them!! Love to see it

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Cairns are spending less than Adelaide but so much better and United are underachieving despite huge budget.
Don't get caught up in roster spends.
Adelaide lack talent.

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Anonymous  
Last month

When Creek and Sobey were here I could agree, but how would a player know. IMO they need to go after some guys like Gliddon and TeRangi who got screwed by Lemanis bringing in other guys. Be a huge upgrade on what we've got. And instead of going after athletes like Wiley and Griffin, go after players that don't rely on athleticism to play. Apart from those 2s highlights there have been a lot of lowlights resulting in them benched. Cairns actually went the moneyball approach on imports and its paid off big time especially with Oliver who's a good chance for Nbl 1st team. I like Drmic for his competitiveness but has turned into a Goulding. Always liked Moore despite naysayers but have to agree he's done, especially getting injured every year.

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Old Mate  
Last month

Boti is quite often right but not on this occasion.

The 36ers are paying overs for a lot of players and would be the 4th highest paying team, 5th at a stretch.

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KET  
Last month

Lies

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Anonymous  
Last month

So Creek and Sobey go so they splash that money on White and Drmic. Or go stuff it, we'll pay above market value for some imports.

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Zodiac  
Last month

Keep in mind there are four players on the Sixers roster this season that no other team in the league including SEM would've offered roster spots to (Teys, Kyei, Dillon & White).

Teys despite having a good season this season was fortunate he got offered another contract, Kyei & Dillon weren't even in the league last season and White got released by the Hawks.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Drimic was letting people no when he signed on how much he was on, 40g more than he should be. Most of there locals are on more than their equals from other clubs. Johnson is on big $$ as well, probably deserves it but put players around him that can defend. All this I go there for Joey as he's the developer is crap, it’s money.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Jack McVeigh and Harry froling are looked at as future NBA players so I guess it would make sense that they're on decent coin

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Zodiac  
Last month

Anon, what Drmic was on when he first started in the NBL is irrelevant he's signed a new contract since then which is now ending.

DJ opting out every 2 years to sign a big new 3 year deal has always been a problem for the team. Not only the pay but because he's so poor defensively it means someone like Griffin can't start we have to start Kyei instead.

DJ signed his current 3 year contract in 2018 the guy practically coasted last season then this season ramps it up even trying to play some semblance of defence now late in the season because I bet like always he opts out of the third year to become a FA again and holds the club ransom to a new big deal.

I just wish the Sixers let him go he knows Gleeson wouldn't put up with him in Perth so can't go back home, call his bluff.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Drimic would not sign for less money, who does that. Agents are in it to make a buck for their players and selves. McVeigh was talked up big time due to his junior Australian team performance though his college career was ordinary, but would have probably got good money.
Clubs should release there total salary cap, not players but totals and we would all no for sure.

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Lovebroker  
Last month

I'd hate to think we are top 4 spend only to end up bottom 3rd.

If true what are we paying for this crap?

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KET  
Last month

I'd also hate to think teams finished based on how much they spent - thank god for Cairns!!

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KET  
Last month

It was clear as day the 36ers hired far too much mediocrity from the get go. Nobody was excited by what was on paper and most of us argued there was no chance of competing. Randle coming in probably added a few victories and ladder positions to the column, but as we also complain about Randle sets a ceiling with the way he plays stifling the movement.

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Anonymous  
Last month

They can't be fourth.
Sydney, Melbourne, and Perth obviously ahead of them,
plus Cairns are the highest paid team in the league. Mike Kelly told me this himself.

See, I wrote it on the interweb, therefore it must be true.

Oh, and BTW my penis is 12 inches long.

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Anonymous  
Last month

^So in reality it's only small then?
The cairns budget

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Anonymous  
Last month

"He was still a free agent in October he wouldn't be on anywhere near that this season."

He was a free agent but that doesn't mean there weren't other options available around the world. Randle is an experienced European player

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Zodiac  
Last month

Randle is an experienced European player


Who couldn't get a gig until October.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Taylor has turned into a very useful player for the kings, Adelaide might have been better with him, solid defensively.

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Anonymous  
Last month

And why is anyone paying attention to anyone with the surname Cooper? Smh

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proud  
Last month

I thought they'd finish dead last, have played way better than I expected especially against the likes of Perth and Sydney but they just felt awkward to me.

I don't see the Drmic, Goulding comparison as Drmic just seems so angry whilst Goulding tries so hard to have a swagger about him just so the comments can tell it to us incessantly.

I expect that Harry Froling would be on overs as his potential was clearly there when he signed and isn't he like making the NBA next year and being Jokic?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I've heard from a couple sources that the 36ers were 3rd highest paid roster until Perth made their recent change. assuming correct, by God they've under-achieved. and with Joey Wright as the leagues highest paid coach surely some serious change is need on-court at that place

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Anonymous  
Last month

Are they counting money paid outside the cap towards these figures? eg Bogut as a marquee only has $175k count towards the cap, but the Kings could be paying him a million. The latter should be counted when talking about which roster is the most expensive.

Same as Cairns and Jawai. Not sure if he still gets paid by a third party but if he is then while it doesn't count towards the cap, it really doesn't mean they have a budget roster.

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KET  
Last month

I've heard from a couple sources that the 36ers were 3rd highest paid roster until Perth made their recent change. assuming correct, by God they've under-achieved.


I fully understand that if you're a young adult 20-30, the east coast is a more appealing place than Adelaide. Frankly, that could be said for NZ, Perth, Cairns too. To that extent, same money offer, players wouldn't choose Adelaide unless they're getting something in return (more money, coach they like or playing time).

However, that would be some serious overs for some very average players! I could see Adelaide paying more than people think, but not top 3, that would be serious financial mismanagement.

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Brunson  
Last month

"I expect that Harry Froling would be on overs as his potential was clearly there when he signed"

ummmmm no. Before coming to the Sixers, Froling had two failed stints in College. 3ppg in college is hardly setting the world on fire. He would have got minimal money as a lifeline to a career that looked like going down the toilet before it even started.

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Isaac  
Last month

My info was Griffin 400k, DJ much more than I guessed. Randle not cheap. Froling more than I thought too. Drmic wouldn't be cheap. I'd guess the Sixers bench is very expensive given they're starting Teys and Kyei because Griffin doesn't play both ends.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Adelaide would be spending similar money to breakers, southeast Melbourne and Brisbane imo

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Zodiac  
Last month

Isaac, I find that very hard to believe about Griffin not doubting you but as we've seen the past few days there is some intentional misinformation being put out there about what the Sixers may or may not be spending.

I don't buy Griffin being on anywhere near $400k for a second. He got cut by three teams last season, has never played in the NBA, never played in the NBL before has bugger all collateral extremely poor defensively and if he really was on money like that obviously would've been cut earlier in the season to save money when he got demoted to the bench.

DJ being on big money? Yeah for sure he holds the club hostage every couple of years and will likely do it again at the end of this season. He'll threaten to go to Perth as always like Gleeson would want a bar of him lol

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LoveBroker  
Last month

$400k for Griffin?

I don't mind the Sixers spending a bit more given the extra revenue from more seats at the new home court.

But that is a rather poorly spent chunk of money.

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koberulz  
Last month

My info was Griffin 400k, DJ much more than I guessed. Randle not cheap. Froling more than I thought too.
What were you expecting DJ and Froling to be on?

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Isaac  
Last month

Assuming Griffin's $400k, I can see how Adelaide are outspending Brisbane (one decent import; Sobey took less than 36ers offer to move there) and NZ (didn't bring back their stud big, have Abercrombie at the tail of his career, and a few others likely to hang around NZ rather than chase money elsewhere). $400k is a decent $150k import and then 5x $50k to juice up other salaries - it's not small change even in the current NBL.

Might be wrong on specifics of when they signed/extended, but let's say Ramone, DJ, Drmic, Froling, Teys are more or less locked in coming into this season. Then you lose Sobey, Creek and Wiley, freeing up their respective salaries - that's not peanuts, right? Do you overpay for roleplayers (who might not move states and come here anyway) or throw money at someone you think at the time is going to fit your style and have the moves to dominate? Then you're tempted to spend again to upgrade for Randle. At that point, you're thinking you have two stud imports, a stud forward, a strong roleplaying import, Drmic and Froling capable of contributing. Only Randle has a certain style, Griffin plays one end, Froling regressed, etc.

What were you expecting DJ and Froling to be on?
Assumed they had locked in prior to the current arms race developing. Either they didn't, the race ramped up sooner, or they had solid steps up in multi-year contracts.

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KET  
Last month

Yeah can absolutely see that scenario occurring Isaac.

As I've mentioned, I can see drawing players in might cost Adelaide overs to say "hey come/stay here instead of east coast". Some sort of overs is to be expected on DJ Froling Drmic, then you’ve got “stud imports” in Randle/Griffin with perhaps cheapies to round out the roster.

I’m hoping they didn’t over pay for Kyei, Teys, Whtie, Dillon, Moore.

Hopefully Adelaide finds a way for Randle/DJ to work. IMO it requires Randle to be happy to move the ball more, DJ to be aggressive more consistently and acquiring a solid defensive big.

From there, look to get some serious sharp shooting - it definitely felt like 36ers were the worst three point shooting team in the comp.

Drmic is worth keeping IMO, I think Teys is better at doing what White does, there’s perhaps not space for both. Moore needs to be shed tbh. Froling IMO if he had more court time and shot threes at most opportunities he would be valuable however he definitely regressed this year. Don’t pay him overs, if 36ers are better off shedding then do it. Dillon has to go imo.

I’d rather see a depth of 8 solid players then a depth of 10 with 5 average players. Too little time stifles opportunity and confidence, it’s worth trying to get confidence in a player through non contingent opportunities then have them worrying and down on themselves all the time.

Most of us picked that this team wouldn’t work and lacked enough substance in talent to do well, and that occurred. 11 plus wins given the early expectations is not a bad effort.

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KET  
Last month

Then/than

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Zodiac  
Last month

Boti has already said this 'Sixers have the fourth highest paid roster' statement is complete BS, which implies it's not even close to accurate. So if they're not even close to 4th it's very unlikely they're spending what Brisbane and NZ are then.

If the Griffin on $400k thing was legit he would've been cut during the probationary period of the contract as he had already been demoted to the bench. You don't pay $400k for a bench import, on a mediocre team too.

DJ re-signed to a 3 year deal in 2018 and Froling signed a 2 year deal in 2018.

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Isaac  
Last month

If Boti's source was (in part) Joey, do you think Joey would want people to know if he was heading towards missing finals with a pricey team?

A week or so ago, they were technically a chance. Would you rush to rock the boat in that case? I can see how you might try to work around Griffin (like they did Wiley) rather than bring someone in cold. Might’ve considered the Hawks game an aberration. Then by the Breakers game, might’ve started to feel too late.

There’s also a scenario where the person who pays and the person who decides are different. And they might not agree on something like replacing a player. If rapport was bad, I can see a situation where you just carry on with your solid crowds off-court, let the coach run their course with their choices, and then make a move later.

As usual, I don’t care a great deal if people don’t put stock in my info. Not like it changes anything.

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koberulz  
Last month

Isaac, my question was more getting at the fact that "more than I expected" doesn't really mean anything absent knowledge of what you were expecting.

You obviously don't want to give an exact number, but a ballpark idea of your expectation would at least provide some context.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I heard earlier in the season that Adelaide had spent highly, as the saying goes lose lips sink ships. Some players maybe talking themselves up but you would think they would be around the mark.

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Zodiac  
Last month

If Boti's source was (in part) Joey, do you think Joey would want people to know if he was heading towards missing finals with a pricey team?


Sure but I would expect Boti to rely on more than just the word of Joey. If he's got multiple sources means the info is more than likely legit. Boti emphatically shot this down remember.

A week or so ago, they were technically a chance. Would you rush to rock the boat in that case?


The probationary period for new imports contracts is the first 10 games and/or two months into the season.

I can see how you might try to work around Griffin (like they did Wiley) rather than bring someone in cold.


It was obvious from the get go Griffin wasn't much chop he was sent to the bench very early in the season. Why would you keep an import like him around on the money you're suggesting when you can't start him?



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Old Mate  
Last month

Zodiac, once again in this case Boti is wrong.

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Isaac  
Last month

When the discussion is "roster salaries", which source would you need it to be to consider it credible?

I spent most of my post literally suggesting why a team might not cut a player in this situation. Really, if they weren't up to it and they were getting $100k, you'd still call it, right? That could be enough to patch a team up. Moore wouldn't have been on probation. Randle is 20 PPG and is more of a drawcard. Either he's being paid a pittance (as an "unguardable" player with the $400k thing) or there's a reason they didn't make the change.

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Zodiac  
Last month

And what reason would that be?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Griffin comes off the bench to stop him getting his 2 quick fouls via starting and sitting the first half.

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Isaac  
Last month

I suggested reasons previously?

Week or so ago, they were in the pack around the 11-11 mark before losing to Cairns and Brisbane. Before that, a 3-1 stretch where the loss was on the road to the top team. Other teams in the pack had looked shaky at times. Griffin had some stats off the bench a few times that might've given them hope.

Maybe they looked at alternatives and couldn't get anyone they were convinced would do more.

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Zodiac  
Last month

I never made an argument about cutting him a few weeks ago. The club as frugal as they are if they're not prepared to buy out and cut Moore and replace him they were never going to do it for Griffin.

I said if Griffin were on big money they likely would've cut him early in the season before his contract became guaranteed for the rest of the season because he was already coming off of the bench at that point. They could've then replaced him without needing to pay him out on top of it.

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Isaac  
Last month

Right, and my response to that was to ask how cheap he'd have to be for that argument to fall? There are limited alternatives to upgrading the roster. Do you bench him and trundle along if he's $200k? $100k? Anything over $70k, if you were going to swap him out thinking your roster wasn't good enough, you'd do it, right? But they didn't - so they thought the roster was chance enough not to mess dramatically. So, he's 15 and 7 and has a solid offensive skill set. What's more likely - that he's a $50k import (in the world of 2019 NBL salaries) capable of that, or that his salary wasn't a decisive factor for holding him because Joey thought they could get that fourth spot.

I think you need to separate coach and club a bit in how you think about some of these situations, BTW.

---

Started 3-1. Then 3-5 after losing to the big teams Sydney, Melbourne and Perth where two were narrow defeats. Beat SEM on the road. Narrow road loss to Brisbane. Handled Breakers fine and then beat Perth in Perth. Got smacked in Melbourne, but then won the next two. 8-7 or so? The horror stretch started with losing to the Hawks in Adelaide but do you get drastic after that game or hope it's an aberration? Even after that, at 11-12 it's not end times.

Complete hypothetical:

"What if we pay out Ramone and use that import spot somehow?"
"I'm not going to cut Ramone. He's a versatile team player, doesn't rock the boat, he'll come good."
"What about now?"
"Now's not the time. We can win the next couple and make it."
"What about now?"
"It's too late now."

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Anonymous  
Last month

'Old Mate' is totally correct, as is Isaac. Wright continually plays the 'ohhh we're poor card'. Next comes the 'passion' and 'energy' is there, intimating that 'my coaching is great, we just don't have the horses'. Seen it ALL before. Fact is the money by Kelley was spent on a sub par team not living up to the dollar spend. And yes, THE 36ERS ARE JUST BEHIND THE BIG TEAMS IN SPENDING.
As an owner I'd be pissed, but who takes the blame? The coach who assembled this rabble or the ownwer who agreed to it??

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Boti emphatically shot this down remember."

Boti also has an obvious agenda to speak highly/not speak negatively of those he gets his inside info from.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Not a great sign to be getting spanked by a team spending less

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Anonymous  
Last month

Tonight showed why R.J. Hampton said no to Joey and the Sixers in favor of New Zealand. Completely disconnected, from top to bottom.

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