Statman
Earlier this year

Kobe dies in helicopter crash, aged 41

Huge if true. twitter is blowing up right now with reports Kobe was one of 5 passengers on a helicopter that has crashed in Calabasas just now killing all occupants
TMZ the 'news' site at this stage reporting that he was one of the deceased

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Statman  
Earlier this year

Now confirmed by multiple sources

RIP Kobe

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Mystro  
Earlier this year

Rest In Peace Kobe .

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Nothing is as it seems

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

Horrible. Hoping his daughters weren't on board with him.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Awful news :(

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sad sad day. Thank you for everything Kobe rip mate.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

13y.o daughter gianna also.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Sadly it does seem like one daughter was involved too.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

What a messed up start to 2020. So many tradgedies.

This morning I woke up to Kobe Bryant died in a helicopter crash on one channel, a specialist on viral diseases saying we could see 30million die from coranvirus on another station, Bushfires still going with potential to flair up late this week, floods, volcano eruptions, US-Iran. Wtf.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

Just had a daughter born to him and his wife too. Harsh.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

RIP Kobe :(

Thank you for re-introducing my interest into the NBA, as a bulls fan the years (99-2003) were extremely hard to watch, but it was you that kept me watching, as some of the things you could do on the basketball court only you and the great Michael Jordan could do.

RIP great one, taken way too soon :(

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Cram  
Earlier this year

I've never been a fan of Kobe at all, but there's no denying the impact hes had on the league over the last two decades, including inspring a bunch of current players to take up the game.

The real tragedy is for his family, losing not only him but his daughter, and the families of the other people onboard.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Just read that the 3 others were the pilot, and then Giana's team mate and her parent, so two children have passed away in this. Awful.

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KET  
Earlier this year

RIP :(

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Hoopie  
Earlier this year

RIP, bro

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LV  
Earlier this year

I remember seeing him a week or two ago, sitting courtside with his daughter at a game and talking to her. Obviously explaining something about the game.

They both died.

So surreal.

RIP Kobe and Gigi.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think that was an older daughter at the game.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

RIP.

Absolutely shit news.

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Perthworld's big brother  
Earlier this year

RIP.

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UseTaHoop  
Earlier this year

RIP Kobe

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The thing I admire about Kobe is that even though he wanted to be the best, he seemed to be quite generous in the way he helped the next generation of younger players. He seemed happy to pass the torch

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Jack Toft  
Earlier this year

WOW! RIP Kobe

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

News sites now reporting that nine died in the crash.

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Whiskers  
Earlier this year

Just absolutely shocked, saddened, and devastated. To all who lost their lives in this tragedy. A huge loss for the basketball world and humanity in general. Today Kobe transitions from basketball living legend, to basketball god. To all trolls and haters, stay silent. This is not your day under any circumstances. MAMBA OUT.
Rest in peace!!!

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ME  
Earlier this year

Greatness died today. Very few human beings have the spark in them that Kobe had - the drive, the ambition, and the ability. He held himself with grace, dignity and charisma. He is a shining beacon on humanity, reminding us all what our capacities can be if we put the work in. We may never be Kobe Bryant, but we can be the Kobe Bryant of SOMETHING.

His death reminds me that I need to find my own path and mission in life. We all have one life and it may end at any moment for any reason. He left a mark on this world, and I think we should all aspire to do the same.

RIP Kobe Bryant.

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Duke Fan  
Earlier this year

I've been a Lakers fan since the 1st NBA game I ever watched in 1980. Kobe was one of my 2 favourite all time players. He was a mentor to so many young players, male and female. Massive loss for the basketball world and for his young daughter to be taken as well. It's beyond sad

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Got me by a few years Duke Fan, I saw my first NBA game in 1983 and was hooked on the Lakers. For whatever reason, I could not warm to Kobe like I did Magic, Worthy and Shaq but you cannot ignore Kobe's insatiable desire to be the best and his brilliance over such a long period of time. What a truly sad day, especially with kids involved.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

He was doing heaps for Women's basketball at all levels too. His legacy permeates so much of basketball today. Imagine how many people took up basketball, played basketball and pushed themselves because of Kobe.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The 1st legend of my generation to be taken. Say what you want about him, his drive to be the best and his competitiveness was second to none. His relentless pursuit of finding ways to win may never be repeated. Never cared for this Jordan vs LeBron for GOAT, but would have loved to seen prime Jordan go against prime Kobe, honestly don't know who would win.
Weird, was never a Kobe person and am a grown man but did shed a couple of years.
RIP.

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ME  
Earlier this year

I just watched "Dear Basketball.."

Yeah, I cried. His love for the game is something we all can relate to, if not his talent.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I feel like even if you weren't a Kobe "fan" as such, you still admired him. The determination, the passion for what he did. And when he transitioned to the "elder statesman" role, he seemed very generous with his time and advice to the next generation of players.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I saw him play love in his rookie season and in his retirement year, this is beyond tragic for me.

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

I liked Kobe a hell of a lot more when he retired. Definitely was not a fan of Kobe the player, but Kobe the father/man is a whole other story. This is the first "celebrity" death that has really hit me.

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Isaac  
Earlier this year

I feel like even if you weren't a Kobe "fan" as such, you still admired him.
He was not my sort of player, but I could certainly appreciate the stories of work ethic, training well before others were awake, and his drive to excel at the game. Always suspected he was somewhat asocial and hard to befriend which meant that dedicating time alone on court to practice came naturally to him.

Straight to the league from high school but never seemed like he had missed anything in college. Stuck with the same team his whole career.

I liked Silver's statement on the behalf of the NBA:
"The NBA family is devastated by the tragic passing of Kobe Bryant and his daughter, Gianna.

“For 20 seasons, Kobe showed us what is possible when remarkable talent blends with an absolute devotion to winning. He was one of the most extraordinary players in the history of our game with accomplishments that are legendary: five NBA championships, an NBA MVP award, 18 NBA All-Star selections, and two Olympic gold medals. But he will be remembered most for inspiring people around the world to pick up a basketball and compete to the very best of their ability. He was generous with the wisdom he acquired and saw it as his mission to share it with future generations of players, taking special delight in passing down his love of the game to Gianna.

“We send our heartfelt condolences to his wife, Vanessa, and their family, the Lakers organization and the entire sports world."

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

That's a nice summary for me to Isaac.

My condolences to the other families in the tragedy as well, family is family even for the not famous.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

He clearly meant a lot to many people. My condolences to his family and fans.

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(  
Earlier this year

Some very moving interviews on you tube - google them but be prepared to tear up

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

Wow, still feeling pretty flat about this today, and I think it's because Basketball is one of those sports that's also a community and a culture and Kobe whether you loved him or hated him is ingrained in all those things. I don't think there is any other sport in the world where you can just go down to the park, bump into complete strangers and play a highly competitive and fun game and go away knowing you shared the same love of a sport with those strangers.

RIP Kobe and Gianna

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

NBA: Petition to make Kobe Bryant the new NBA Logo - Sign the Petition! http://chng.it/6Rs9dRXP via
@ChangeAUS

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

No the logo should not be changed.

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Reality  
Earlier this year

Can't change the logo

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

Although I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other about the logo, I think they should wait 12 months before doing anything like that, once the dust has settled a bit and emotions have calmed. I think the player-led gestures re: the turnovers and players changing numbers is a far better tribute.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why can't they change the logo? Would Jerry West mind?

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Reality  
Earlier this year

Kobes loss is terrible but agree with the above....let the dust settle first.

West is known as the logo and contribution to the game is huge as is Kobe's.

The NBA/Lakers will find a way to honor him forever.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

But surely if West doesn't mind (and from what I have read, he doesn't like being the logo) then its not really a problem to change it?

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Absolute no to the logo change.

The current logo is iconic and changing a brand for the 11th best player of all time? Why?

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

Yep, I'm as upset about Kobe dying as the next fan, but everyone needs to calm down, his contribution to basketball is immense yes, but not more than plenty of other players. Do something else to honour him, but don't change the logo.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

West didn't contribute to basketball in anyway that made him more deserving of the logo either. It is iconic but a logo change would be equally iconic.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Its not about whether Kobe is more deserving than West, its about the fact that the NBA logo has been in place for decades and changing it to anyone, let alone a guy who's not even close to the best ever, is an absurd overeaction.

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

"West didn't contribute to basketball in anyway that made him more deserving of the logo either."

I never said he did, but it's where the log began, again, Kobe doesn't deserve the logo over plenty of other players. If you want to change the logo, put a jumpman logo in there cos that guy is the GOAT.

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Perthworld's big brother  
Earlier this year

Rename Staples Centre.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"let alone a guy who's not even close to the best ever"

He's an all time legend of the game who just tragically died. Memoralising him by making him the logo makes sense to me.

I'm hoping for a better reason not to rather than "its always been the logo so we can't change it"

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

It was Jordan who 'made' the modern day NBA in the 80's & 90's if the logo ever needed to be changed it should be Jordan's jumpman logo. Kobe spent his whole career trying to emulate Jordan because MJ was and still is the GOAT.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

So dying tragically makes someone more worthy of being permanently on a logo?

Logos have value. The NBA logo has immense value. Changing it risks losing that value.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

"I'm hoping for a better reason not to rather than "its always been the logo so we can't change it""

Also, just on this, as the person proposing the change, its really on you to provide compelling reasons to do so. "He just died!" is not a compelling reason

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

I just realised...who's going to do Kobe's hall of fame induction speech, he fucking missed his own induction! :'(

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"He just died!" is not a compelling reason"

Like I said, he's a legend of the game, he just died tragically, they are going to memorialise him in some way, so why not change the logo so he is forever part of what we think of when we see the NBA.

"Changing it risks losing that value."

How?

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Reality  
Earlier this year

Kobe was always first ballot and rightly so is going to be inducted into the Hall of Fame this year.



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Cram  
Earlier this year

"Like I said, he's a legend of the game"

There are at least half a dozen others ahead of him. So again, why him?

"he just died tragically"

So someone who just died in 2020 is reason to have the logo changed forever?


"they are going to memorialise him in some way"

Yes they will. There's a good chance that a lot of teams retire one or both of his numbers. That seems like a fitting gesture.

"so why not change the logo so he is forever part of what we think of when we see the NBA."

This is problematic because of his past indescretion, and is one of the reasons it will never happen.

"How"

See Colorado, 2003.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

""Like I said, he's a legend of the game"

There are at least half a dozen others ahead of him. So again, why him?

"he just died tragically"

So someone who just died in 2020 is reason to have the logo changed forever?"

If you choose to respond to those statements in isolation and ignore the context of the entire sentence, then we're not going to get anywhere.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Stop

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

No, you're not going to get anywhere. Dying doesn't add to a legacy. Companies don't change logos on a whim to honour someone. They've build up the value in their logo over decades. They won't change it for anyone - let alone Kobe.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

I think they should change the league name to the KBA instead of the NBA

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Leave logo as is.

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Gus3232  
Earlier this year

Absurd suggestion. If it ever is changed (which it shouldn't be), Michael Jordan should be the very first choice.

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busterkobe  
Earlier this year

Great player, absolutely, great father, probably, great husband, certainly not, great human................https://time.com/5773151/kobe-bryant-rape-case-complicated-legacy/

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Looks like you missed the point of the article.

"It is irresponsible to excuse or gloss over Bryant's treatment of this woman or his complicity in a legal strategy that upended her life. But it is also reductive to focus only on this behavior when reflecting on his life and death."

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Nah I'd say they nailed it. Listed all of the things Kobe did well, but also pointed out one thing he did not.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

While saying it is reductive to only focus on this behaviour, which is what the person who posted the link seemed to do.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Did they? They acknowledged he was a great player and (by all appearances) a good father.

You're the one who's focussing on the negative.

I would add that he appears to have been a great mentor to younger players and a good advocate of the women's game.

Does that make him a great human despite what happened in 2003? Thats completely subjective. I would argue no, but in no way do I throw away all of the good things he did end up doing after that.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Did they? They acknowledged he was a great player and (by all appearances) a good father."

Then said he's certainly not a good husband. Thats really not for anyone but his wife to decide.

"I would argue no, but in no way do I throw away all of the good things he did end up doing after that."

Yeah thats exactly what you just did.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

How? Because I dont think hes a "great" man? You're applying your own bias and assuming if I don't agree then I am focussing on one thing. For me its a pretty high bar to be considered a great man. Kobe doesnt pass it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why doesn't he pass it?

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Not many do.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Does that make him a great human despite what happened in 2003? I would argue no"

"assuming if I don't agree then I am focussing on one thing"

I don't know, it seems pretty clear to me that 2003 is what you're focusing on.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Not many do."

Bit hard to not make assumptions when you can't give specifics.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

I would say raping someone disqualifies you from being considered "great" human being yes.

If you think thats a high bar, thats on you.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Love the old "she crazy" defence.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

I do think that reddit post draws some conclusions that aren't necessarily justified by the source articles, particularly on the issue of bragging about the money. However, there's certainly reasonable doubt there.

There's also not been a single other allegation, and the kinds of people who do these sorts of things tend to do them habitually as we've seen with Cosby, Spacey, CK, and so on. There's a critical mass now that makes coming forward a lot easier than back then, but even so...

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Cram  
Earlier this year

I'm by no means saying it definitely happened. I think it probably did though.

There are all kinds of different offenders out there, not all do it habitually. For his part, I think Kobe appears to have learned from the whole thing and made a real effort to be a good person afterwards.

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ME  
Earlier this year

For me, I think he "probably" did it. It's an inexcusable act. If he did it, it is something he should have been jailed for.

However, 16 years passed since then. He became a father. He became a mentor to people. He clearly changed his attitude to the world.

Does he deserve to continue to be condemned in death for something that was never proven, and something that he likely had an identity-level change from?

I mean, there was not a single claim of infidelity since that incident. And if there is a victim in all this, then of course I am sure she feels very differently. But to me, I believe our system is meant to be predicated on the concept that someone can redeem themselves from a wrongdoing - if not to the victim, to a higher power and to society.

There is every chance that Kobe did it, and also every chance this was a money-hungry groupie. Either way, neither of those outcomes negate Kobe's effect on the world and on basketball. And the fact of the matter is we will never know what happened.

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Cram  
Earlier this year

Actually well said ME.

There's no denying the impact he had on many people. I'm not one of them, but thats ok. Even a person without any possible crimes in their background won't be universially loved - look at LeBron.

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