Anonymous
Earlier this year

WNBL expansion

Heard the wnbl is looking to expand soon. Anyone know have more details about where and when?

Should there be more teams?
Enough talent?
Better to align teams with nbl?


Seems to be a disparity between teams already in a 8 team league.
Think we need a plot more new fresh coaches.
Streaming needs to be sorted ASAP. Not good when the second tier comp is better than the top.

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KET  
Earlier this year

WNBL should "expand" into LKs hands

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yes, I think so too.
What has improved this year exactly?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Larry had the rights this year so not sure that's the answer. I'm pretty sure the quality of play in the NBL1 South is not better than WNBL, but the promotion may well be.

Not sure there's enough talent for expansion teams nor an appetite for losing money among potential backers. The only people to profit out of expansion would be BA.

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KET  
Earlier this year

Larry had the rights this year so not sure that's the answer.


Huh?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

As much as this sounds patronising, I think WNBL teams should play mostly out of regional areas and test the waters of new NBL expansion sites.

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LC  
Earlier this year

Anyone who things NBL1 South is a better standard than WNBL is kidding themselves.

League needs to establish a salary cap or similar before expanding. It needs to better help contain the costs of clubs who often can't help themselves in order to compete otherwise other clubs may disappear.

But at some point, once the issues are addressed, then expansion SHOULD be on the agenda. Nowhere near enough spots for Aussie locals in the league given the depth we have in Australia and those emerging from junior and college levels.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It does sound patronising.
I'd like to see some WNBL and NBL double headers throughout the season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LC is spot on ! No big surprise that the teams with the big budgets finished top 4. Roy Ward predicted those correctly as far back as in October.

Unless the league wants to lose teams the league needs to establish a salary cap and do it quickly. This may force also some of the current big budget clubs to give more court time to some of the many talented younger players, who have been keeping the benches warm this season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It should be nbl men and women ASAP. Nbl1 teams are aligned, so should top tier.

People only turn up at sbc for boomers, everywhere else is nbl1 type crowds.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Expansion is a nice thought, but as LC said we'd definitely need salary limits first. The budget gap between top & bottom is already far too big and on a dangerous trajectory.

But mostly I just hope Perth still has a team in the league next season. Sounds like it is not a given, which doesn't surprise me. Perth have put a fantastic product on the floor for the past 5 years but the support they're getting - both fan & corporate - doesn't seem to be that much greater than the Waves era.

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KET  
Earlier this year

What are peoples' thoughts on aligning WNBL with NBL sides?

I.e.
36ers/Lightning (Adelaide Represent)
Perth Wildcats/Perth Lynx (Perth Represent)
United/Boomers (Melbourne Represent)
Phoenix/Flyers (South-East Melbourne Represent)
NA/Bendigo (Country Vic Represent)
Brisbane/New team in Brisbane (Brisbane Represent)
Cairns/Townsville (North Queensland Represent)
Illawarra/Canberra Capitals (Ill/ACT Represent)
Sydney/Sydney Flames (Sydney Represent)
NZ Breakers/New team in NZ (NZ Represent)
Tasmania/Tasmania (Tasmania Represent in 2022)

10 NBL Sides/11 WNBL Sides

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Not so easy to just align top teams with the increasing private ownership model. Doubt all NBL team owners are ready to spend money on a WNBL team.

If the WNBL is to go more private then maybe worth looking at the WNBA structure. There are 12 WNBA team owners, whose teams collectively own 50% of the WNBA. The other 50% of the WNBA is owned, collectively, by the 30 NBA owners, through a company called "WNBA Holdings.". Maybe LK would be willing to take 50% ownership in the WNBL.. still where do you find 8 team owners? Problem really is that the league needs to start to create some extra revenue streams, do some decent marketing and pay the players better.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

All that talk of aligning NBL and WNBL seems far from realistic at the moment.

No more obvious and bigger gap can be found than between than the Kings and the Flames in Sydney when it comes to money and support.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Neither the NBL, WNBL or for that sake WNB in their present format can be considered a sustainable business.

The WNBL needs to secure more revenue via marketing partnerships, including promotions during the offseason, and actively work to find work for the players with sponsors, so that the players can have meaningful employment and marketing opportunities all year round.

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====  
Earlier this year

NZ, Brisbane or 2nd Sydney team ?
We have been able to sign some huge international imports + local players lately - which has been great - increased TV / on line coverage.

Put an extra team in and shorten season - maybe ?

Needs to be something that enhances the competition not burden it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

New nbl,should have been built from,beginning with women's teams alongside.

Australia currently ranked 2nd in senior women will take a nose dive and drop out of top 10 before 2030 without a stable league.

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KET  
Earlier this year

Yeah I think WNBL will increasingly struggle to be sustainable without utilising a synergy with the NBL/as best possible NBL owners.

Much like NBL1, you'd look at it with the following eyes: 1. Make WNBL cheaper to run (deduplicate roles, utilise NBL digital infrastructure etc.) 2. Try to provide the broader package to some sponsors to cover NBL & WNBL (chemist warehouse already does both!) 3. NBL gets greater revenue/sponsors/investors because they know LK has put investment into it, there is confidence in there, bring that over to the WNBL and there'll be more confidence for people to invest

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anon  
Earlier this year

New nbl,should have been built from,beginning with women's teams alongside.

Australia currently ranked 2nd in senior women will take a nose dive and drop out of top 10 before 2030 without a stable league.


But they have maintained that position for 20 years WITHOUT a stable league, the league is not going to effect their rankings, but it could certainly do with a major overhaul.

Those they have running it do diddly squat, its like amateur hour

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

We aRe falling behind in most areas.
It doesnt seem that way now but you will start to see it at the junior level in a few years when we start failing to qualify for junior WCs.
Japan and Korea are way ahead in junior development and there too leagues are stable.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

People running the WNBL think it is fine. They'd rather it drift along like it is rather than raising a finger.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Those they have running it do diddly squat, its like amateur hour

Literally.
Whey you've got a near-zero budget it is impossible to hire professionals to perform important roles.
The league is dodgy for sure but at the same time the head office is running on the smell of an oily rag, so I've got a little bit of sympathy for them.

I don't think it was practical to re-structure the NBL to run with women's teams alongside. The NBL was financially precarious enough as it was without adding an extra league to support.
There are NBL-WNBL synergies, I agree, but at the same time some of the most successful clubs over the past decade have been Townsville & Canberra. Not having an NBL brother has arguably helped them more than hurt them.

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)  
Earlier this year

Lightning have been awesome this season - off court, community involvement, social media etc all on the front foot - love the team !

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Didn't Newcastle want to enter WNBL a few years ago.

That's why they paid the big money for Seebolm to go up there to coach and it all fell through.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year


More women are playing basketball but why is no one watching WNBL?




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KET  
Earlier this year

Lots play basketball generally and the NBL struggles/struggled to get people watching.

There are sports people end up watching but not playing: AFL, Cricket

Plus there's international competitions that consumes viewership: EPL for soccer, NBA for basketball

Add in mismanagement and you’ve got your concoction.

Women’s Basketball now has to compete with a stronger netball plus a much stronger women’s cricket plus the previously nonexistent women’s afl. It’s really, really tough now for WNBL to make headway especially with zero capital behind them

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Maybe the wnbl needs a next star program.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

good points by KET. So how to get the money behind a local league, which everyone believes is one of the better in the world, in a sport where the national team in still in the the top 5 worldwide?

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paul  
Earlier this year

"Anyone who things NBL1 South is a better standard than WNBL is kidding themselves."

Has anyone actually claimed this??

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

How many imports can a wnbl team have?

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Anon  
Earlier this year

More women are playing basketball but why is no one watching WNBL?



Because it's impossible most times to get live stream, and unlike the men’s they only screen one game per week on fox sports. You have zero publicity, nothing ever in the papers or on radio, so how on earth are you supposed to gain followers when they literally, don’t even know they exist

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KET  
Earlier this year

The Women's Cricket team have been a world force for a long longggg time, only the last couple of years have they had any sort of decent coverage.

Matildas unlike the Socceroos are actually competitive on the world stage, again, minimal coverage.

At the moment regardless of success, it appears you need that critical mass behind you to get coverage - that’s something the AFL and cricket have been finally willing to do for women. Those leagues have always had the capital and influence behind them to do it.

The big positive with the NBL is they have a semblance of capital and influence with LK. The NBL won’t get laughed out of buildings anymore when they ask for things, but they still don’t come close to the mighty powers of cricket, afl, nrl etc.

WNBL doesn’t have that, and any real extent of "existing because you’re an institution of women’s sport" is already covered by netball and even they have gone through a fair of restructuring.

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Haz  
Earlier this year

It probably needs to find its way on a community channel like NITV, rather than be on fox sports where nobody is watching. At least when people are channel surfing, they may stumble on it, just like I have when i caught a state league baseball game on there a while back :)

Like most here, I cant see much hope for the WNBL in its current form.

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KET  
Earlier this year

People are more likely to channel surf to NITV than Fox Sports?

Really? I dont believe that for a moment

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Haz  
Earlier this year

Im assuming more people have FTA than Foxtel, therefore NITV is more accessible. Would seem to be a more suitable channel for a league like the WNBL, in my opinion.

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KET  
Earlier this year

NITV gets 0.1-0.2% market share, in comparison, SBS Viceland receives 1-2% market share; other non-main FTA stations tend to receive 2-4%.

NITV is virtually non-existent, Fox Sports ratings would be significantly higher than NITV, with the benefit of also being played by pubs, bars etc. and at the very minimum be directed towards sports lovers who might actually stay to watch it.

IF the NBL's main coverage was NITV that would be a total disaster.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

(Haz here, just on a different computer) -

If the NBL is being shown on NITV only then yes it would be a disaster. But we are talking about WNBL, not NBL. FWIW the NBA and NBL get replays shown on NITV, which I've also managed to randomly catch without pre-knowing about it.

Pubs won't show WNBL so that makes no impact on the league. NITV may be non-existent from a ratings POV, but its still there, available to be seen and on everyone's TV guide. Some good programs are on NITV, so its not like its a student operated channel either that appeals to no one. Im not suggesting that it will bring the WNBL back to prominence, or even a good idea financially, but at least it will have some kind of TV coverage, which can be cross promoted with NBLs coverage on SBS. What kind of promotion does Fox do? Im assuming close to zilch?

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Anon  
Earlier this year

So you think putting WNBL on a channel like NITV that e en less people watch is the way to go, simply on the off chance that someone flicking through channels may find it.

Give it a rest LOL

That's the last thing WNBL needs, what they need is a proactive board of management that will fight to get their product on mainstream tv, or at least provide reliable and repeatable streaming
Not hard, if NBL 1 can do it for ten times the amount of teams , surely getting 8 teams exposure each week isn’t that blasted difficult

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

^ OK good luck with that :)

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KET  
Earlier this year

If the NBL is being shown on NITV only then yes it would be a disaster.


No no, your point was that NITV is better than Fox Sports because of more reach being on FTA.

My point is that's completely incorrect and to make that point, if the NBL was shown on NITV instead of Fox Sports, that would be a ripped to shreds as a total disaster because Fox Sports has far bigger ratings than NITV and relevant market reach.

There's no scenario where it's better for WNBL to be on NITV over Fox Sports in the same way there's no scenario where it's better for the NBL to be on NITV over Fox Sports.

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KET  
Earlier this year

FWIW the NBA and NBL get replays shown on NITV


I didn't even know that because I don't flick past NITV, like the rest of society save for about.... 10 people!

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Haz  
Earlier this year

Relax, its just a suggestion! I dont see the WNBL being overly successful in its current form on Foxtel and whos to say they still want it. Thier track record for hoops isnt very reassuring (though jo channel is in that case) It may be that they need to explore less desirable means of TV coverage, if it means getting more coverage shown, if they want to expand.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Relax, its just a suggestion! I dont see the WNBL being overly successful in its current form on Foxtel and whos to say they still want it.

I expect they will still want it as long as they're getting paid good money from the federal government to cover it, and drop it like a hot potato the instant that the deal expires.

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KET  
Earlier this year

Perhaps SBS is next haha

NBL isn't really sought by TV networks, all WNBL has to leverage tv networks into showing their product is federal government funding/tv licence regulations, sadly.

SBS have done a really positive job with NBL and additional content including wnbl highlights. hopefully a match of the week is something that can happen ASAP.

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Reality  
Earlier this year

WNBL should worry about staying afloat before expansion.

A Salary cap is certainly required before expansion over this league will go the way of the old NBL

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

This isn't good for a new Tasmanian NBL team.


An AFL team in Tasmania stacks up financially according to a state government-backed report which debunks myths’ around the proposed venture.

A five-year plan for the Tasmanian Devils Football Club to enter the AFL in 2025, plus proposed costings, have been laid out by a specialist taskforce.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

An initial investment of $45 million, split between the AFL and federal and state governments, would be required to cover the initial set-up of the club, the report suggests.

From there, the state government would underwrite the team by $11 million a year, safeguarding the AFL from "another Greater Western Sydney, North Melbourne or Gold Coast Suns scenario".

The state currently invests $8 million per year to host eight Hawthorn and North Melbourne men's fixtures and two AFLW games.

A Tasmanian side would add $110 million to the state’s economy per year and create more than 360 jobs, the report says.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So who else is ready for an NBL team New Zealand, Sydney, Canberra? How soon can we get this done?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

wellington and Canberra the only real options atm. Good for aligning the capitals with a men's team.

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KET  
Earlier this year

An AFL team even in the future, say 5 years time, would probably dent an established tassie team: ie valuable sponsorship dollars, gov grants, memberships (how many can afford both afl and nbl memberships?)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

AFL is not running during nbl scedule, it's moot.

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KET  
Earlier this year

it's moot


You don't think an AFL side would take away from an NBL side in relation to how families/people spend their money? You can't forsee a situation where families choose an AFL membership over an NBL membership to spend their hard earned dollars?

You don't see a scenario where sponsors find better value pouring into an AFL side than an NBL side, limiting sponsorship market for a Tassie side?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No I don't see an issue.

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