Isaac
Earlier this year

GF Series: Kings vs Wildcats, Game 1

Quick turnaround with game one this Sunday!

Both teams taken to three games and given a workout. Which is your tip as favourite in the game and series?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The refs will win this one.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think Sydney will take game 1 because of the quick turnaround, but I expect Perth to win the series

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Cats for life  
Earlier this year

This time Perth are the underdogs, might pinch game 1 or get drilled due to fatigue?

Over all if Kings play like they did against united then perth might win it all.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Sydney to win Game 1.

Sydney should win the series really. They have the more talented team, they have home court advantage and they've been #1 all year.

BUT- if you look back at Perth's record in grand finals in the Gleeson era, it's positively fearful. They have over achieved against the pundits' expectations EVERY SINGLE TIME.

eg: United was $1.80, Perth $2.00 heading into last season GF despite Perth having home court, off the back of United's demolition of Sydney in the semis. But Perth killed them. It happens every year. Perth just lifts to a new level in grand finals.

How's Plumlee's ankle?

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TimberBall  
Earlier this year

I will be the individual battles that will be most fun to watch this series.
Cotton vs Ware
White vs Cooks or Newley
Plumlee vs Bogut
Kay vs Tate
Marto and Norton vs Lisch and Bruce
Wagstaff and Steindle vs Didi and...probably Taylor because they'll find a way to get him in, Perth should hire protection for Lucas Walker.

Will be fun

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TimberBall  
Earlier this year

it*

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Be fair to flair  
Earlier this year

Perth have traditionally been the most hated club. But with the shenanagins of Kings ownership, it's hard not to hate the kings more.

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

Cooks and Tate are the 2 guys I'm worried about, I think Kay is the only one that can stop either of them and he can't play on both.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kings win game one then three straight to Perth. White is a very good match for Newley or Cooks. Cotton has length to hurt the kings guards unless didi spends a lot time on him. Bogut will be licking his lips on Plumlee and Majok and Kay will have his hands full in the four but Perth got all other spots covered.

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Another Anon  
Earlier this year

After watching all the SF games, Perth and Cairns just looked a class above Sydney and Melb.
If Bogut's defense continues to be limited to just sitting under the ring, Perth will destroy them with all the open space and canter in.

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Hoopie  
Earlier this year

Perth is the better TEAM and, unlike In the NBA, I think this is why they will win.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I think Perth 3-1. WWLW.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth 3-1 LWWW

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ware and Moller three straight GF.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Game 1 will be tough for Perth with the travel. After that though, the two weekends almost favour Perth given they'll have so much longer to recover from their flight after the Sunday games. Perhaps Sydney will choose to fly over a few days early for their away legs.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth will win I I reckon. Sydney looked shaky in spurts, and United didn't capitalise, the cats will.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Looks like Sydney are the under dogs.

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Another Anon  
Earlier this year

Sydney still $1.72 favs with the bookies (Perth $2.10). Like most I see Perth winning it so these odds seem off...

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Sydney will win the series. They've had a home game last on Thursday and will get a home game on Sunday. No need to travel.

They'll be well rested. Wildcats are playing too much inconsistent basketball to be a threat.

Sydney in 3 games starting on Sunday.

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Camel 31  
Earlier this year

I am expecting home team wins.

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Craig  
Earlier this year

Home teams will win each game, as has been the story so far throughout the semi's. Perth may be the better team but even they are inconsistent so Sydney's struggles against MU doesnt hide the fact Perth had the same struggles with Cairns (albeit Cairns a better team than MU).

I hope I'm wrong, but really think it will go to 5 with Sydney winning.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Hoops majority suggesting Perth wins.

But the Hoops consensus was Sydney winning game 2. Then it was United winning game 3.

Last night I was thinking Perth LWLWW or LWWW.

But, I think it depends on Bogut.

If the Bogut from the United series shows up, Perth wins.

If 2019 MVP Bogut shows up, Sydney wins.

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Be fair to flair  
Earlier this year

What gimmick will Sydney ownership spruke to annoy Perth?

They tried it with Hoops Capital against Melbourne... what narative will they force against Perth?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth I think

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Perth dynasty rolls on to another title. Gleeson to get his fourth ring and cement himself as the perimeter Aussie coach of all time. Still behind the great Brian gorji overall

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

*fifth ring. And also...

*premier

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Jack Toft  
Earlier this year

This Championship is the Kings to lose

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ME  
Earlier this year

The Kings looked pretty suspect in their series against United but I think some of that might have been due to underestimating their competition. I don't think they'll be doing that against Perth.

Despite this, I think this series is going to follow the trend of the home team winning, which will mean Sydney in 5. But if Perth can snatch game one, they will win the series.

I believe Sydney will win overall but Perth will give them hell.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I have a feeling Perth will wrap this up early 3-1

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth will be knackered in game one Sydney by 25.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Perth have traditionally been the most hated club. But with the shenanagins of Kings ownership, it's hard not to hate the kings more."

No, no it's not.

#anyonebutPerth

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Why would Perth be so tired? They had 4 days rest between games 2 and 3. And 3 days before GF game 1. Sure, they have to travel, but nothing worse than they're used to. Sydney played on Monday and Thursday, so it’s not like they’ve been resting waiting for them

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I don't mind Plumlee as an MVP smokey at $71 odds. Whole reason he was brought in was for the Grand Final against Bogut. Should feature more heavily against Sydney after not matching up well against Oliver/Cairns.

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Paulo  
Earlier this year

I agree with LV and the majority of sentiment t on this thread. We have see so many times over the years that PERTH just seam to fi f another gear in a grand final series. Every year we look for reason why they won't but we all know they do. 10th title coming up folks.

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Cats for life  
Earlier this year

Was more nervous playing Cairns than Sydney, think the ref's will be in the spotlight after the last game in the harbour city.

For me Sydney is to old and to slow, lucky they didn't fly here and have day break heading into game 2.

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

Sydney remain firm favourites.

Their defence is the best and defence wins Championships.

They have HCA, we have seen how that works for them.

Cotton has not been playing great the last 2 games.

Even if Bogut is on reduced time, there is still Cooks.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

My default prediction is to go with the home team unless some other compelling reason presents itself. I'm not seeing one atm, so Sydney deserve their current favouritism.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Bogut couldn't defend Long and was destroyed

Plumlee struggled against Oliver.

Now we have a like for like matchup, and it'll go a long way to determining the champion

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney will have a lot of empty seats tonight.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I doubt it

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year


Sydney remain firm favourites.

Were you actually tweaking when you wrote this?


Their defence is the best and defence wins Championships.

You'd be right, except that you're wrong, Perf have the best defence.


They have HCA, we have seen how that works for them.

Didn't help them against Perf last time.


Cotton has not been playing great the last 2 games.

Right, because that's a sure-fire predictor that he'll play badly today.


Even if Bogut is on reduced time, there is still Cooks.

Right, because they play such identical roles.

As a Sixers fan, and with Cairns out, I am rapidly losing interest, and tweakers like you just make it that much harder.
If you can't get past your petty dislike of Perf, to make intelligent comments about the game, then kindly piss off.
If you think Sydney will win, that's fine, but either put forward sensible reasons, or STFU.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ramblings of a mad man or just someone who doesn't know that quotation marks are a thing?

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LV  
Earlier this year

Sydney is favourites

$1.75 to Perth $2.10 with TAB

$1.72 to $2.10 with Sportsbet

That seems about right to me.

Sydney has the most talent, #1 all year, and the all important home court advantage.

But Perth has an incredible history of success in grand finals.

Both teams scraped through their semi finals by a whisker, although Perth looked much more convincing than Sydney.

And, two of Sydney's best players- Casper and Bogut- were well below their usual standards in the semi finals.

That makes it interesting and almost a 50/50 series, with Sydney remaining the slight favourite.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

797870, you sir are an asshole

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KET  
Earlier this year

Cooks the xfactor

Perth will be extremely tough to beat

Fantastic series to be had!

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

I don't mind Plumlee as an MVP smokey at $71 odds.

$151 with TAB.

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KET  
Earlier this year

IMO would have preferred HH AA H instead of H A H A H

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

I would've preferred HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA but United didn't manage to eliminate Sydney.

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Jamit Indaholeuput  
Earlier this year

Lets Go Wildcats Lets Go..clap clap...and repeat..Velly good...OK OK OK...


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LV  
Earlier this year

Bets, just for fun (hence the $1 amounts)

$1 each:

White $15
Bogut $67
Newley $151
Plumlee $151

$2 on Perth 3-1
$2 on Perth 3-2
$3 on Sydney 3-2

Essentially giving myself a chance of a big win off a tiny bet, and will get all or most of my money back if it goes to 5 games or Perth wins 3-1

If Sydney wins in 4 or less or Perth sweeps then I lose everything. The whole $11 :-P

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Sydney has been crunched on the market. I can't resist. $100 on Sydney with a -9,5 start.

Sydney will be winning by double figures. You heard it here first.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"$151 with TAB."

Cheers, just hit it. Massive overs imo

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Newley looks super pumped to be in a Grand Final series for the first time.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Weavers sub pattern is mind boggling

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

if the kings win the championship will bogut be the first nba and nbl champ

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Gaze

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

if bogut retires should the kings go after plumlee

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LV  
Earlier this year

Cotton all over it

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Plumlee is average at best.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Rare lapse by Martin leaving Bruce wide open after he just nailed one

Sydney more switched on so far.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Cooks on Cotton

the chess match has officially begun

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

If you're ever going to have a brawl over a decal it should be this Hoops City abomination.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Cotton double figures already at QT after two donut halves vs. Cairns.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Those 26 Kings points came way too easily

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Clean game, not many fouls.

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Wildcats need to start crashing the glass otherwise this game will blow out

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Refs calling travels on the fake and dribble at the 3 point line but bckear travels on spins in the post not called

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Refs have completely gone the other way and are not calling anything.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Refs have been fine IMO. These teams aren't giving them too much to call.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Blatant foul on Cooks lol

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Cooks three fouls.

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Wildcats needs to look after the ball, crash the boards, stop the second chance points.

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Sydney busting their guts but only down by 3. Not sure how Sydney can play any better than what they are doing.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kings got saved by the break the Perth machine was starting to roll

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cooks liability in defence, he's over playing him. Plumlee liability in defence but cats got no one else to mark Bogut. Good game but it’s a bit soft. Vickerman must be looking at this and saying if I only could control those egos.

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Another Anon  
Earlier this year

Good game. Both teams getting stretched defensively.
No issues with refs

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Not sure how Sydney can play any better than what they are doing.

Really? I thought that was a very ordinary quarter from them. Casper in particular is playing like rubbish.

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Sydney out to $1.94, refs will find the cook book in the second half and start home cooking.

Sydney $100 at $1.94

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Casper in particular is playing like rubbish.

Casper will light up the 4th quarter. You watch, he'll score 15 at least in the final quarter.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I will take your word for it Wilburs since no one knows more about home cooking than Perth fans

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Plumlee needs to guard Bogut up closer, in his face. Need to prevent Bogut getting that initial step. That will stop Bogut driving to the hole. Kay will have to show some weak side help then.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Refs seem fine for the most part, seems both teams are either not playing defence or going way to hard and fouling... strange game, maybe the quick turnaround is evident.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Mayberry missed his calling as a school headmaster.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Damo putting up a 3 after a timeout is an awful option

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Why is Martin shooting? Not good.

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Timberball  
Earlier this year

Refs forget the rules when kings fuck up. 8seconds!!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Backcourt violation, no call, uncontested sydney dunk..

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

11,647 in attendance.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Professional refs would be handy

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Timberball  
Earlier this year

11,000 rent-a-fans

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Yep casuals.

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

Sydney go on a run and build a 7 point lead.

Right on cue: Weaver subs out the players that made that happen.

Fortunately for him, Perth lost the plot that quarter.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"11,000 rent-a-fans"

"Yep casuals."

didn't you read the sign on the court, Sydney is the hoops capital?

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Sydney has this shot to bits. Wildcats far to inconsistent on the 3 ball to worry the Kings.

Sydney to win by double figures and we all get rich with my earlier tip.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Having said that they forgot the over and back so i guess they cancel lol. Two of the easiest calls in the game though!

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Felt like it was starting to slip away until those threes at the end. Very timely.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Refs got nothing to do with it, Perth are just not doing that well. Plumlee is the perfect match for Bogut.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Refs not making too many calls, but still managing to fuck it up when they do blow the whistle.

Still I'll take the fewer whistles every time.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Nick Kay's 3P% these playoffs has been cray

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

Ware scores his first points of the game... gets subbed!

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

LK to hit the red alert button soon.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Take out White, he's playing terribly.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Martin!!!!1

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

WTF that was legal. It's starting.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Clear travel leads to 2. Now a cheap turnover. Come off it.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

That screen was illegal??
:/

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

100% legal screen. Lk you're so obvious.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No travel on didi, made up illegal screen, here are the refs for syd

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k  
Earlier this year

How is that the first 'moving' screen they've managed to call all game?!?

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

That shocking illegal screen call keeping the Kings in this. Disgusting.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Hopefully we can kill as much time as possible after these Ware free throws with 0:23 left.

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Another Anon  
Earlier this year

And Cotton just got all ball.
Perth deserve to win by 10

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

All ball yet casper gets free throws

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

It's never easy, is it? Ware misses and they nearly tie it up. At least ten seconds burned after the scrimmage.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Tate just conveniently steps on cotton

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Finally in the bonus.

Wrap this up Terrico.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

How do you play Bruce ahead of Lisch down the stretch, this blokes subbing is gob smacking,

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Argh!

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Thanks Casper.
You were the difference.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

YESSSSSSSSSSS. 'Cats win despite being only five-on-eight.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Those 'calls' towards the end were so dodgy. They're clearly trying to rig it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Casper was Perth best player. Perth have up so many open looks. Should've lost, but yeah, Casper.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Casper was our GF MVP last season as well.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

1/14... Yikes.

Definitely deserves to be on that #1 salary

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Spinner  
Earlier this year

So funny - Sydney "let's buy a premiership“ Kings lose game one!!! Imagine if they lose the series - who will they bring in next year? LeBron!

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Perth Wilburs  
Earlier this year

Tate just conveniently steps on cotton.

Should of been an unsportsmanlike foul. He clearly pushed his shoe into Cotton.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Cats will need to lift a gear because I don't think Ware is physically capable of being that useless again. On the plus side, Terrico was ice cold too and I'd hope that Plumlee doesn't get his butt kicked by Bogut so badly after that.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney was shooting shots out of their behind and flunking it but once it dried up they looked hapless. That is a prelude to what's to come

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yep, tate plays dirty and carrys on like he never fouls

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Sydney has this shot to bits. Wildcats far to inconsistent on the 3 ball to worry the Kings.

Sydney to win by double figures and we all get rich with my earlier tip.

You continue to be wrong and have now decided to expand it to losing money. Well done.

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

"Yep, tate plays dirty and carrys on like he never fouls"

The most correct statement in this thread.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The refs tried their upmost to help the kings to but it was to no avail

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PW10  
Earlier this year

What a win by the Wildcats. Bryce Cotton is elite.

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

"PW10"? Nice!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Casper must be on Perth payroll. Or he is just trash!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Gleeson is so far in front of every coach in this country it's unbelievable.

The refs were excellent and I’m a neutral, yes the odd mistake both ways but excellent.

Cook is overrated, seems to have a licence to hand around the ring to get easy boards.

Bruce ahead Lisch, oh my down the stretch.

Cotton is magnificent and no one in Sydney can guard him

Kay stood up as usual, not as dominant as Tate is very good but fantastic down the stretch.

MAKE GLEESON THE AUSTRALIAN COACH AFTER THE OLYMPICS.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

This was the one the kings needed to win. Now Perth gets to rest up it's going to get ugly from here on!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yep, perth will be a flight less next weekend.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Two mill by next Sunday, it's over.

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D2.0  
Earlier this year

Any chance now that some of the hater might actually acknowledge that Gleeson is the best coach in the NBL.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I will acknowledge that he is FOTY for the 10th consecutive year. A whole decade of flogging that is great staying power.

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

Unless Gleeson paid Ware to have the woeful performance of a lifetime, not sure tonight does much to cement his coaching legacy either way. Wildcats didn't do 50% of the defensive effort on Ware that United did, and he still had a shocker

Enjoyable game, Kings had every chance but Weaver stuck with the cold hand in Ware. Weaver has consistently seemed 2 steps being this postseason, and that's been the biggest worry as a Kings fan. A win in RAC is never easy, but game 2 has basically become an elimination game now

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

WTF did Ware take a 3? That is all. OT was the option and he blew it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kings were 11 and 1 with Moller playing great basketball and now can't get a game, he’s on the bench, is he injured, he was the back bone of there defence.

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Bol  
Earlier this year

Who would have thought the difference between winning and losing is a damian martin 3 ball Lol

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

You beat me to it, Bol. Was just about to post

Damo for 3? nooooooooooo!!!!!

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lisch plus 20

Newley minus 15

Cooks minus 9.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I just laughed when he nailed that 3, thank God he finally managed to sink one.

Still shooting better than ware at least ;)

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this year

I still think Sydney wins the series from here

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kings getting swept from there

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Hoopie  
Earlier this year

Kings 0 Perth 3

LK must be sooooo pissed off!!

Weaver looking very ordinary these days.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Wilburs

"Casper will light up the 4th quarter. You watch, he'll score 15 at least in the final quarter".

Jeeeessuuss

How did you know mate ..... are you a fair dinkum clairvoyant or do you talk with god. You are really good.

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Bigdog  
Earlier this year

Kings will be upset with poor backcourt violation call at the end of the third, which resulted in a three by perth. Calls like that can determine a game.

Still some poor decisions by the kings. Lisch sitting in the fourth.

Tate a disappointment. Absent sent most of the game and not driving on the final possession. As a breakers fan I couldn't believe that. Second time this season perth win in the final seconds (ngatai in perth) as players freeze under pressure.

Still didnt play as bad as Ware mind you.

If I'm Sydney I'm annoyed but know we can do better.

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Bigdog  
Earlier this year

Typical perth moaning knobs complaining about refs when they got the better whistle.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Don't keep hate in your heart bigdog. You'll feel better

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Bigdog thinks there was only one bad call all game.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

There weren't too many bad ones IMO. Pretty minimal impact on the game.

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TheoRatliff  
Earlier this year

I have never seen a bigger finals melt than Casper. I feel sorry for him. Not sure I'd be taking the go-ahead 3 at the buzzer after 1 of 13, but hey, each to their own.
Cotton is the real deal. Quality player.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney can do better? Lol they shot the lights out. I highly doubt they can replicate that effort in Perth and again as the cats won't allow that much room again.

They kept perths huge strength which is offensive rebounds to a minimal. They played as well as they can out of ware.

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Bigdog  
Earlier this year

I can confirm. The back court violation in Perths favour was the only bad call all night.

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

Damian Martin's defence is still good, those couple of steals he got at last quarter were big and of course that 3.

Nick Kay is consistently good.

The Wildcats stay composed all the time.

Tate is dirty.

Refs helped Sydney but only slighty, that illegal screen call on Plumlee was awful.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Get Moller in there, get some toughness. What is going on there, lots kings fans saying the same thing.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Paul Smith unusually quiet on twitter tonight. Cats got his tongue?

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

lol @ Tate being dirty. He would need many season's worth of consistently dirty behaviour to be mentioned in the same book as Jesse Wagstaff, let alone all-timer Shawn Redhage.

The call on the Plumlee screen was terrible, agree on that. I thought the refs were better than most games this postseason, but still enough head scratchers and guys in green shits anticipating calls rather than seeing them to have me forget that I was watching an NBL game.

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

^ shirts, not shits, but hey, either works.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Happy to be corrected but I thought it was only a backcourt violation if your team has possession. Newley had possession and Plumlee tapped it (didn't take possession and pass it. Tapped it) into the Cats backcourt. I thought it was legal to do that.

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

"lol @ Tate being dirty. He would need many season's worth of consistently dirty behaviour to be mentioned in the same book as Jesse Wagstaff, let alone all-timer Shawn Redhage."

That's not an argument against Tate being dirty...

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

Anyone know why Moller didn't get any game time?

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Bigdog  
Earlier this year

Luuuc you might be right

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

lol @ Tate being dirty. He would need many season's worth of consistently dirty behaviour to be mentioned in the same book as Jesse Wagstaff, let alone all-timer Shawn Redhage.


So you admit he is dirty just not as dirty as some players you referenced?

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AngusH  
Earlier this year

Actually no, don't think he's dirty at all. Just think it's also very rich coming from Perth fans

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Refs had f..k all to do with it, they were very good.

Moller never played last game either. Lot people around me don't understand it.

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Bigdog  
Earlier this year

Lovebroker. Tate is not dirty.

I'm a breakers fan. Tate is anything but dirty.

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Bigdog  
Earlier this year

AngusH

Correct

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Three to Make Two  
Earlier this year

Re the "back court violation":

"30.1.1 A team is in control of a live ball in its frontcourt when:
• A player of that team is touching his frontcourt with both feet while holding, catching or dribbling the ball in his frontcourt"

So, while Plumlee might have deliberately and controlledly tapped the ball back to his team's advantage, he didn't hold, catch, dribble the ball as required by the rule.

So, fair non-call by the refs

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Moller couldn't get minutes because the Kings have so many superstars.

Bogut
Ware
Newley
Tate
Louzada
Cooks
Kickert
Bruce

There's only so many minutes to go around. Just goes to show how stacked Sydney are that a boomers representative in Moller can't even get minutes

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LV  
Earlier this year

Quality game

I enjoyed watching some great basketball after the netball match the other night. 6 of the 7 playoff games have been well worth watching.

Perth's D broke down a few times, and Sydney made them pay by nailing open threes. A bit lucky perhaps that Bruce, Kickert missed gettable shots in the last minute and then Casper missed the game winner.

Sydney showcased their depth without Casper firing. Kevin Lisch is the forgotten man, but he's only 33 years old and a former MVP. Not a bad 4th or 5th option on the team.

Sydney thought their backs were against the wall after game 2. Wrong. Now they have to do it on the road.




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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Bigdog are we going to mention tje backcourt violation that wasn't called leading to didis (your 6th import, I've lost count) uncontested dunk? Overall they were better than most games

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Bigdog  
Earlier this year

Three to make two


Well there you go. There were no bad calls then. Thanks for clarification.

Well maybe the Plumlee screen. But hey. Pretty minimal stuff really. Certainly not worth moaning about.

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Bigdog  
Earlier this year

Non.

He's not my sixth import mate. I'm a breakers dude. Never cheered for the kings in my life.

Can't remember play your talking about.

Either way. You Perf dudes will find something to moan about

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Bruce, kickert and coocks are hardly superstars

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LV  
Earlier this year

And yeah, refs were pretty fair tonight. Thought Plumlee was hard done by on that screen, but on the whole a few calls went each way and not too many obvious errors or misses by the officials

Sydney should consider themselves lucky because if they had tonight's reffing on Thursday, they would've been watching Perth host United from their couches tonight.

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LV  
Earlier this year

More importantly, people were allowed to compete for rebounds tonight

Fouls that were called usually resulted from contact that was clearly visible!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Most kings fans would play Moller ahead Bruce, Kickett or Cooks, coach overrates these blokes big time, even Newley of late has struggled. Lisch and Moller should get lot more time unless both are still injured.

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ME  
Earlier this year

This is Perth's series to lose now. They'll take care of home court and take this whole thing out.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

How Cook got in ahead of Creek I'm gob smacked.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

How Cook got in ahead of Creek I'm gob smacked.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

Bigdog are we going to mention tje backcourt violation that wasn't called leading to didis (your 6th import, I've lost count) uncontested dunk?
It wasn't a violation, why would they call it?

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LV  
Earlier this year

Casper 12 from 51 over past 4 games including 6 from 34 from 3 (4 from 8 in Game 3, 2 from 26 in the other 3)

Ouch.

Thought his D, and Sydney's on Cotton was Ok. Cotton was just superb, again showing why he's MVP.

Although Bogut was Sydney's best, feeling good about my 2 $1 bets at $67 for MVP. Ridiculous odds

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kober it was an 8 second backcourt violation, shot clock was on 16 before the ball crossed.

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

"shot clock was on 16 before the ball crossed"

Yes, and it needs to read 15 seconds to denote that more than 8 seconds have elapsed.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Typically means anything from 16.999 to 16.000
i.e. not a backcourt violation

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Melbourne got called for a back court violation in Game 1 SF when the shot clock hit 16...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

No if it hits 16 it is already 8 seconds, 24-8 is 16, therefore math would suggest the 8 is already used up.... how that requires explanation is bwyond me, your logic must be clogged with the years supply of toilet paper you probably have...

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Havent watched game yet. Thought just post for fun. Sydney to win home coudt. Perth need cotton and white to be unstoppable for whole series. Can see sydney containing for periods but not for the wins. Sydney best team all year will create history. Sydney need one win in Perth to secure championship and 2 at home. Class to rise.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

When the shot clock shows tenths of a second under 5 the clock must be on 15. As in 15.9. Otherwise if it's 16 it’s 16.9.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Newley had possession and Plumlee tapped it (didn't take possession and pass it. Tapped it) into the Cats backcourt. I thought it was legal to do that."
Clearly that defines possession.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney has control, shot clock doesn't reset as no change of possession. Legal play.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Which is strange because i swear i have seen a controlled tap to a teammate deemed enough control to reset a shotclock. Probably be interpreted differently next game anyway.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Mr Moller can you please stop trash talking your sons team, this is a grand final and you are embarrassing yourself.
No Kings fans are thinking out aloud that your son should be ahead of Kickert, Cooks etc you're all alone saying your son should be playing. Pipe down and (try to) be a good parent

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Cats for life  
Earlier this year

Pressure on the Kings now, Perth have a free swing and Perth have no fear playing in Sydney.

Perth don't get carried away and I'm sure they will want to go two up before they go back to Sydney but Sydney are stacked and fished on top.

Don't think Lk was banking on a Perth win this arvo.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Yes, and it needs to read 15 seconds to denote that more than 8 seconds have elapsed."

I thought it was:
24-23 - 1 second
23-22 - 2 seconds
22-21 - 3
21-20 - 4
20-19 - 5
19-18 - 6
18-17 - 7
17-16 - 8

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

With a tenth of a second clock it drops 24 -23.9 instantly etc. so when it hits 16 visually it's actually 16.9. It’s not to hard to work out

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

#026 the call leading to the Didi dunk wasn't a missed backcourt violation, it was an 8second call.. Hard to say from TV wether it was right or wrong as the shot clock on TV isn’t always perfectly lined up with the one at the actual arena.

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

"No if it hits 16 it is already 8 seconds, 24-8 is 16, therefore math would suggest the 8 is already used up.... how that requires explanation is bwyond me, your logic must be clogged with the years supply of toilet paper you probably have..."

As other posters have pointed out: evidently you don't know how the shot clock works. How you have the audacity to shit-talk my logic is pretty ballsy.

Keep doing you, King.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Well Trev thought it was a backcourt violation too. How you have the audacity to question your king is beyond me too.

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Splinky  
Earlier this year

Watching the press conferences - Weaver really is a bit of a smart arse, isn't he?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

060, Trev cracks the shits at literally everything that doesn't go his team's way.

Your 'logic' was false. Wipe the egg of your face and move on instead of making more of a fool of yourself.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

#026 the call leading to the Didi dunk wasn't a missed backcourt violation, it was an 8second call.. Hard to say from TV wether it was right or wrong as the shot clock on TV isn't always perfectly lined up with the one at the actual arena.

Indeed. In fact on that very play it was definitely out of sync:



... though in the direction that favoured Trev's squealing, as it turns out.
Still, in no way could you call it a clear wrong call.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

I timed it at 8.5 seconds, starting as soon as Tate touched the ball on the rebound and stopping once the ball was touched in the front court. Bearing in mind I knew the play, and could thus start the count the split-second Tate had the ball instead of having to realise he had the ball and I was supposed to start counting, that seems entirely fair.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

066 it was sarcasm, did you not see the second part?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth toughed out another one. Makes them even harder to beat now they are one up. The key play of the match was Damian Martinscorner 3. Gave them the buffer. The play of the match though was Damian Martin's steal on the left bulldog as he was wheeling to hoop.

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HoldenV8  
Earlier this year

You would like to think that if the Kings can draw over 17,500 to a regular season game against Illawarra then Grand Final games would attract similar....

Official attendance was 11,647.

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Timberball  
Earlier this year

Lamelo Ball drew 17,000, kings need free tickets and a merch giveaway to crack 8,000 in the regular season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The Lamelo game was also a whole lotta freebies.

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HoldenV8  
Earlier this year

Regardless of the freebies given away for the Lamelo game, you'd think they could draw better than what they did for a Grand Final. Its not like there was a whole lot else going on in Sydney either. T20 is done, NRL doesn't start until next week. I mean, there wasn't a whole lot of competition for attracting spectators.

For all intents and purposes only 64% of the seats at Qudos were filled. For a Grand Final game featuring the top two teams in the league, that is pretty poor.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They had less than 3 days to promote the game! Getting over 11,000 was exceptional.

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HoldenV8  
Earlier this year

Not a whole lot more than half the place was filled and you think that's exceptional.

Yep.....

If they had half filled the 83,500 seat ANZ Stadium, THAT would have been exceptional. But the two top teams in the league getting not a whole lot more than half of an 18,200 seat arena filled for a Grand Final game is not exceptional.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Perth will be at capacity on Friday

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HoldenV8  
Earlier this year

Lets put it this way. If the game had been in Perth and they only had 3 days to promote it ... they still would have just about filled RAC Arena. And if their venue was as large as Sydney's they probably would have gotten a lot closer to filling it than than we saw on the weekend.

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Lawsy  
Earlier this year

Perth can fill 135000 stadium in 3 days, well, because it's Perth and there’s literally nothing to do in Perth

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The total precinct around the stadium is a rip off, the parking cost are ridiculous, the food cost inside the stadium are worse. That was a reasonable crowd and Sydney's had healthy crowds all season. There bottom line should be quite respectable.

As said above, there is a lot options in Sydney and when you add the cost of toll ways to get to the basketball the costs for families to get there get in and eat are well over $200, that’s a huge hunk out weekly budget.

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Haz  
Earlier this year

Maybe a factor was that it was only game 1 of a best of 5. You could argue that its not really a grand final just yet- this is like the equal of say a preliminary final in football with bigger games to come. Because it wasnt a deciding game just yet, people might wait until game 3 when things really heat up.

In saying that though, the Kings could have at least matched the 13,300 they got for game 1 of the SF, so yeah the 11,600 or so was a bit low. On the flip side though, the Kings have never had these sized crowds before ever, so its still a good crowd.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kings games are still cheaper than going to Wildcats games

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

In the Australian team I would take Cooks any day over Creek

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Creek over Cooks every day the week. Cooks can't hit a jump shot gets lost on D, yes he gets rebounds because he’s just floating around and letting his direct opponent dictate. Weaver loves him and like others that knock back big euro contracts he’s probably on a motza. Good luck to him but Creek is a far better all round player.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

(In saying that though, the Kings could have at least matched the 13,300 they got for game 1 of the SF, so yeah the 11,600 or so was a bit low. On the flip side though, the Kings have never had these sized crowds before ever, so its still a good crowd.)

Bat flu cgivd 43-19

Be lucky to get a crowd at the next game

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kings fan here, good game wildcats the kings chocked and the wildcats kept its cool under pressure we'll done see you next game.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Commentators were right about sydney's subbing.
Lisch was on fire yet only played 20 minutes and he gave ware over 30 minutes (most of any sydney player) and he was pathetic.

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Camel 31  
Earlier this year

Yes, the terrible performance by Ware - given less minutes and Sydney would have won.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ware is a winner has been struggling but he should be on at the end, playing Bruce ahead of Lisch down the stretch after Lisch got kings back in game was mind blowing. Can some explain to me and most kings fans about the total non use of Moller, he's gone from over twenty minutes a game before injury to nothing. The kings record with out him to with him is useless. Try Cooks in the five instead of Kickett as well. Nothing seems to change with the kings no matter what is happening on the court.

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this year

Cotton has embarrassed Ware, and the saddest thing is that they were defended the same way in large part throughout the game. All Sydney needs to do is make a couple of minor adjustments -- including the big hedging on Cotton/White/Steindl to give the chasing defender enough time to catch up -- and they will win the series.

Sydney have done well to win the rebound count, and if that continues they'll be golden

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Manu Fieldel  
Earlier this year

Not hard showing on Clint Steindl is absolutely ridiculous imo. The man can't make a good decision to save himself. Instead they're letting him shoot open shots coming off screens. Madness

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Siting Moller to bring back Taylor, Kings playing chess not checkers ... The reason I believe Moller hasn't played because he isn’t 100% & Cooks is a just a better version of him

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney are kidding themselves if they think that they were unlucky, Perth were good but never really got into top gear and White will hit shots and it's all over.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So tired of all the "we hate Perf" idiots. Okay, so your team is nolonger in contention, either find something interesting to say or STFU. My teams hasn't been in contention since halfway through the season, and you don't see me turn every flaming thread into an infantile anti-Perf rant. Frankly you people are symptomatic of what is wrong in the league. Our teams should try to copy Perf instead of waiting till they win another chip and then complaining. Our CEO claims to have spent the 4th highest this season, which means their is no excuse for the tripe served up.
Hire a Good Coach.
Recruit well.
Build a Culture and a Solid Local Core.
Lock in quality imports.
Make important minor adjustments when needed.
I don't know when Bendat tookover at Perf but I do seem to remember that success did not come overnight.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Maybe you should look at kings record with Moller playing against Cooks. Most kings fans would have Moller in there ahead of Cooks. It's easy to crash the boards and get rebounds when you leave your man free. Other than boards Moller stats are better overall playing eight minutes less. An 11 to 1 start with Moller how have they gone since then. Kings got greedy and opened there check books for Cooks but at present not paying off.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney are not winning a game it Perth, this series is as good as over.
Not sure why Kings continually tried to go for hero go aheads 3's down the stretch. Terrible basketball.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Bearing in mind I knew the play, and could thus start the count the split-second Tate had the ball instead of having to realise he had the ball and I was supposed to start counting, that seems entirely fair."

Where do you coach KR?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"But the two top teams in the league getting not a whole lot more than half of an 18,200 seat arena filled for a Grand Final game is not exceptional."

To get 11,600 to a basketball game in Sydney is exceptional, but the fact it has very rarely been done before. To get it in less than three days after the semi finals is incredible.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

"Bearing in mind I knew the play, and could thus start the count the split-second Tate had the ball instead of having to realise he had the ball and I was supposed to start counting, that seems entirely fair."

Where do you coach KR?
Somehow that question is even less relevant than the last time it was asked.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

^You sound like scomo

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

If you can explain to me the connection between coaching basketball and running a stopwatch, I'm all ears.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Sydney most definitely can win in Perth, they have the on court talent and experience.

Bogut and Lisch were very good, although they may not shoot 'that' well again and revert towards the mean they will still be more than serviceable, same can be said of Casper who should improve.

This will just be a game of adjustments and counter adjustments.

Even a team like Cairns could go back to the video room and address Cotton's 40+ point display to make it not happen again.

I'm not saying Perth will lose in Perth but it's no certainty, especially if they don't bring the intensity and hunger (which they mostly do).

That said I am very very impressed with the Wildcats defence in the first 8 mins of Q4. They often took away the Kings' first play and had them scrambling for the secondary, this is normally NOT a bad option when Casper is 20ppg Casper, but that dried up.

Whether you want to use the word Lucky or whatever, Perth were fortunate that open shots by Bruce and Kickert missed (and that was preceded by bad play / missed FTs), and less so Casper's last 3.

So far this is very entertaining.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Actually no, don't think he's dirty at all. Just think it's also very rich coming from Perth fans


Please do not call me a Perth fan again.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sydney lose game 2 it means they will have to sweep Perth 3-0 from there on to win. Highly unlikely so game 2 is virtually the season

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Camel 31  
Earlier this year

if you swish a 3 pointer, why then weaver will sub you out...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sorry guys but Perth will win another title.
Do it for Lovebroker :)

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Sydney lose game 2 it means they will have to sweep Perth 3-0 from there on to win. Highly unlikely so game 2 is virtually the season


Agreed...but sport is such that often people lift to the occasion.

We know what the calibre of Ware, Bogut, Lisch and Newley can do.

Conversely we also know what Perth are made of, especially in the Gleeson era at the business end of the season.





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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cook and Newley contributed 9 points for a minus 24, playing through the three spot, surely it's time to get Moller back.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Manu bogut hasn't executed a hard show since he has been in the nbl, do you really think he has the speed? if they both show hard then the ball is going to plumlee at the rim and no one is getting there to stop it. You sound like Weaver who was talking like he won the game and was in the box seat moving forward

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Zodiac  
Earlier this year

Cook and Newley contributed 9 points for a minus 24, playing through the three spot, surely it's time to get Moller back.


Sure ignore the fact Cooks was the second highest rebounder for the game with 11 boards. Has Moller ever pulled down that many boards in an NBL game? I doubt it.

This post right here is a great example of reading way too much into +/- stats. They're a useful secondary indicator in the absence of a primary indicator like individual stats but no one with any ounce of basketball knowledge would play Moller ahead of Cooks.

NBA scouts, Euro scouts, the Kings coaching staff and the Boomers coaching staff all likely know something you don't.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The love for Moller is sickening.
He got the appropriate amount of minutes in this game in my opinion.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

How about win stats,
Moller win ratio is far better than Cook, plus minus isn't everything, you’ right and neither are rebounds, certainly if you’re leaving your opponent to get them. Each to there own opinion but every one in my area of seating can’t believe what’s gone on. Weaver was on the selection committee and also picked Cooks ahead of Creek. Moller is a better defender and help out defender as well, and doesn’t leave his man to get boards. Cooks is pinching boards from Bogut and Tate when he should be covering his man.
Your opinion but I ain’t changing mine.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Have I missed something where there is a Tom Gleeson type funny joke about Moeller being good?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Not hard showing on Clint Steindl is absolutely ridiculous imo. The man can't make a good decision to save himself"

You dont watch much basketball do you Manu?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Didn't Molller play 7 seconds in game 3 and 0 seconds this game?? Hahahha he is a nobody and should never be mentions in Boomers conversations again hahhaha

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Cooks also does not play the 3.

Cooks recruitment mid season was a very shrewd move, I'm setting aside another rostered player was let go (forgot his name), or that Boti said Cooks is on 300k.

He is a big reason Sydney have been able to maintain their defensive efficiency with Bogut load managed.

See the block he did on Cotton, would you expect Kickert to do that? Kickert would still be at half court line.

The recruitment at Sydney has been top notch.

I only wish the Sixers had $3m + 10% of Propriety to give away.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Plenty of people would also not play Moller if they had Tate, Newley, Cooks and Didi as options in the 3 and 4 spots

The fact that Weaver has a team that's good enough to squeeze Moller out of any minutes indicates how spoiled for talent Sydney are.

Yet they still only made the grand final after an all time United choke in Game 1 and an MVP performance from the refs in Game 3.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

I have never been huge on Moller, the guy is a decent defender with good athleticism and length so he is a good role player.

People here talk of Moller like he is the defensive glue for the whole team.

Moller's minutes can easily be gobbled up by Newley and Tate and they wouldn't bat an eyelid.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

LV...give the Kings due credit for Game 1, the choke on one side was married up with hitting big shots (see Tate's threes) on the other end.

I think you gave the 45 point thrashing in game 2 too much weighting, as if the Kings were broken and couldn't come back from it.

Fact is, it was a new game.

People have moved on from that now and are discussing this series.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Is relevant because it illustrates how Weaver is struggling in this playoffs to win with a team that is stacked with a capital S

Inexplicably, Barlow and CG took 3s a second or 2 into the shot clock late in Game 1. McCarron got a half court violation under no pressure. United capitulated. Yes Sydney hit shots but that only matters because of United's continual brain fades, one after another.

Weaver is 4 games into his first foray into playoffs. So far a massive failure.

They can turn it around though. Not saying they're done. Just very unimpressed with Weaver at this particular point in time

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kings starting five till the second semi game was Bogut, Tate, Cooks, Lisch, Ware, most of Cooks time is in the three, in the second semi and first GF Cooks went to the bench because kings were struggling defensively.
You obviously don't watch many kings games. No one can still explain how kings went from only one loss with Moller to now being defensively struggling.
LV is right Sydney are spoilt for options but like Melbourne it doesn’t always play out in wins.

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HoldenV8  
Earlier this year

"To get 11,600 to a basketball game in Sydney is exceptional, but the fact it has very rarely been done before. To get it in less than three days after the semi finals is incredible."

Sorry but I'm not buying this 3 day excuse, that it was only Game 1 of a possible 5, or that "exceptional" or "incredible" BS. Nor am I buying any excuse like there is nothing to do in Perth (what major event was on in Sydney on the weekend other than the NBL??).

I hate the Wildcats as much as anyone, but the reality is that if Perth had an 18,000 seat arena to play out of, even on just 3 days notice and for a Game 1 of 5 ... they still would have just about filled the place. In fact, they'd just about fill it for every game.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

But it took time to establish themselves and build that fanbase. It didn't happen overnight.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

I think < 3 days is a reasonable excuse.
We will see at game 3. That's a fairer test.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The NBL's lowest crowds each season have usually been during the semi-finals, because there was little time to promote it. It's just a reality. Thanks to the FIBA break that has changed, which is great, but leaving only 3 days from semi-finals to grand final just moved the issue along to Game 1. Somehow, the Kings still got one of their better crowds in their existence to the game, which is a superb effort.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

3 days shouldn't be an excuse for the HoOpS CaPiTaL of Australia

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

What's Perfs excuse for their 2 X semi final crowds in the 10,000s?

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

Could the Carona Virus be playing a part?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"What's Perfs excuse for their 2 X semi final crowds in the 10,000s?"

It gets pricey needing to pay for 1-2 semi final games each year for 34 years. Don't blame some people for just waiting until the GF.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Neither do I, tbh. Cats individual game tickets are exxxxxy.
Still gives me sticker shock every year at playoff time.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Still piss poor crowd numbers for a team that bang on about "13,000 at every home game" every chance they get.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They love for Moller is getting outrageous, Cooks is a far better defender, rebounder and is younger. The kid made the Boomers squad for a reason, Moller could never. Moller might be a better shooter but hasn't show that either this season. Cooks was replaced out of the starting line up because he asked to come off the bench and put Newly in the starting line up for offense purposes. You keep bringing up the win ratio like the Kings were just off to a hot start in the beginning while most teams were trying to find themselves. I think what’s hurt the team besides Game 1 is Lisch look at that win ratio record and his contributions to the team since he’s returned from injury. He hasn’t been good at all.

Casper hasn’t been good as well recently either but I think losing Taylor (arguing the team best defender) has hurt Ware. Because he now has to guard the best guys and run around chasing them the whole game and then try to carry the team offensively that’s a tough task to do for anyone. That is just my observation of Sydney now

Perth in 4 lol

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Plenty of people would also not play Moller if they had Tate, Newley, Cooks and Didi as options in the 3 and 4 spots

The fact that Weaver has a team that's good enough to squeeze Moller out of any minutes indicates how spoiled for talent Sydney are.

Yet they still only made the grand final after an all time United choke in Game 1 and an MVP performance from the refs in Game 3."

LV spitting hot fire.

Also does anyone else feel slimey after watching a Weaver press conference. He's slimy

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Perthworld  
Earlier this year

Keep not playing Moller, Kings.

Thanks in advance.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You scared of him Perthworld.

Why are kings playing so badly in second half of season.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Is Craig Moller posting on here?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Interesting

(The fear around coronavirus for Australian athletes is set to rise after reports emerged on Monday night that a Fremantle Dockers player was sent for coronavirus tests.

The Age broke the news, reporting that "sources confirmed" the Dockers player had been in recent contact with someone from China.)

Will Perth have a crowd at the game?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Could be kings best chance, play in front of an empty stadium. Be like a training game.

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

Watching the game again...

Ware is an elite flopper when hitting a screen.

What's worse is the Refs fall for it every time.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Sporting events (and public gatherings in general) are being cancelled all over the world. Given some of the well thought through reactions exhibited by the great Australian public in other ways thus far, with them seeing this global response, then I wouldn't be surprised if there's a % of depression of crowds for the remaining games. It would be a shame if true - the Grand Final being played in the two biggest venues in the league is a great opportunity.

If it gets that far, a Game 5 in front of 18k in Sydney would be amazing, but sadly I just can't imagine that in just under two weeks from now, it won't be a great magnitude harder to try and promote such an event. Australia would have had to have noticeably dodged a bullet, with numbers falling, for that to work even while the crisis will probably still be growing in the northern hemisphere.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Tokyo Olympics looking less likely at this rate.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Ware is an elite flopper when hitting a screen.

What's worse is the Refs fall for it every time."

This.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

In game 1 Ware played 32:27. He had 1 screen called in his favour. I think it's fairly comfortable to say that he ran into more than one screen in that 32:27 hence Lovebroker's comment is slightly exaggerated i'd suggest.

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Vic Wildcat  
Earlier this year

I won't be upset if they play Moller in front of Cooks, go ahead Will jump the shark so to speak :)

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Lovebroker was spot on. Ware is elite at throwing himself to the ground when he gets hit by a screen. He didn't say he does it every time but when he does, he is world class.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

Did the Moller love start ironically and some people picked it up seriously?

Moller is a good player at this level, but there isn't a single thing he does better than Cooks. And i'm not even a Cooks fan.

Cooks is so susceptible in on ball D (every. single. time. he guarded Melo in the SFs he got burnt and gave up and And1. It was incredible).

Moller actually is just a 5-10m player in this league. And those players don't get minutes in playoffs.

Cooks is an above average post defender, help defender, elite NBL rebounder, and chips in with scrappy points. Moller has nothing to add except some energy and a few fouls.

I still think this is a 50-50 contest though! And really looking forward to how it plays out. I think Sydney slightly outplayed Perth in the last game and just choked it away and had a few bad bounces. If they settle a little, and Ware can find a way to contribute (he will) this could be a massive game 2.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

Lovebroker was spot on. Ware is elite at throwing himself to the ground when he gets hit by a screen. He didn't say he does it every time but when he does, he is world class.

Lovebroker also said that the refs fall for it every time. They definitely don't.

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Senator11  
Earlier this year

I agree, Cooks is a better all around player than Moller by a fair bit, but Moller uses his length really well in defence, Cooks can't without fouling.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

(What's worse is the Refs fall for it every time.)


^Your a sook

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

(Lovebroker was spot on. Ware is elite at throwing himself to the ground when he gets hit by a screen. He didn't say he does it every time but when he does, he is world class.)


Is this you lovebroken, your a sook

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PeterJohn  
Earlier this year

"The kid made the Boomers squad for a reason, Moller could never."

Moller was in the Boomers squad for the 2019 World Cup qualifiers, announced in November 2018. Not arguing the merits, just stating the fact that belies your conclusion.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The NBL will be lucky to plays game 3 over 100 Coronavirus infection now and still rising, over 50 in nsw in the Sydney area alone, and 6 in wa and growing every day. only way the game 3 will go ahead is with no crowd.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Cooks and moller are both good Australian players, both are fun to watch.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"(Lovebroker was spot on. Ware is elite at throwing himself to the ground when he gets hit by a screen. He didn't say he does it every time but when he does, he is world class.)


Is this you lovebroken, your a sook"

Yes, you got me. It is me, Lovebroker. I purposely removed my username from the name field and then posted something in agreement with an earlier comment of mine to make it look like someone else was supporting me. I thought I was going to get away with it but no, you're far too good for that.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"only way the game 3 will go ahead is with no crowd."

Ok boomer.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

You have to get up pretty early to pull the wool over my eyes Lovebroken, now run along and play nice with your friends.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

300.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

(Ok boomer.)


No the boomers won't be playing at all this year,
Sorry cobber

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FM  
Earlier this year

Highly likely they won't need a game 4

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Off the nbl stats page

Minutes 24.9 Cooks / 20.2 Moller

F-G%. 43 Cooks. / 46 Moller

FT% 43 Cooks / 87 Moller

Rebounds 9 Cooks/ 4.58 Moller

Points 6. Cooks / 7.42. Moller

As a kings member I think they are both good but Moller is the better defender and these stats at seasons end probably puts Moller in front, Cooks has played 14 games and Moller 12. While Moller also take less rebounds his box out work is excellent. Obviously I like both getting good minutes but Cooks big pay packet probably gets him seniority.

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PhilipWatson  
Earlier this year

There are some serious Moller haters on this forum, and a few absolute lovers of the guy. How about some facts.

*Preseason scrimmage, it has been in the media recently - J Tate scores 2 points the whole game and thought he was going to be sent home - he was guarded by Moller. Turned out to be a great wake-up call for Tate, and luckily enough he has been a great recruit.

*The starting 4 man in the NBL 1st Team in 2017-18 Tai Wesley which was a breakout year for him in the post, 2019-20 J Tate - partnered at training against Moller.

*2017-18 Melbourne Championship - Casey Prather gets injured, Moller's time increases to over 20 mins per game in the middle to end of the season as he shares it with Carrick Felix - Melbourne go on massive win streak and enter the finals in 1st position after struggling early.

*2019-20 - Moller playing circa 20 mins per game at the start of the season - 11-1 before injury. Kings conceding 84 points per game with him in the lineup - concede 90 points per game after he gets injured.

For those who doubt it, perhaps rewatch the game when Melbourne played against the Philadelphia 76ers in the NBA preseason a few years back, and watch who was guarding Ben Simmons after Barlow conceded a couple of fouls. There is a play where he starts 2 strides behind Simmons in transition, catches him and forces Simmons to kick it out. Good luck finding another athlete in the NBL who could not only catch him, stop him but also not foul. Vickerman decided to amend his whole starting line up against the Raptors and put Moller against Leonard (who didn't end up playing).

HOWEVER:

He has had an awful year shooting the 3 which is the reason why he must be out of the rotation. Defenders have laid off and are clogging the lane. He has shown before to be a 40% shooter from 3 (in the NBL, Seabl and NZ NBL), if he can sort that out, who knows what kind of player he could be.

He would be a ideal candidate to spend some time marking Cotton. If he could slow Cotton's scoring that is worth so much more than traditional stats like points rebounds or assists. Ware, Lisch and Didi are burning too much energy on that end.

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PlaymakerMo  
Earlier this year

I didn't realise Moller is personally responsible for the success of Tate, Wesley, and that he was better than Prather during United's championship season. How is this dude not in the NBA?

Seriously though, I'm no Moller-hater and you presented some good statistical evidence, but you're really reaching with your first three points.

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

That ^ post started off talking about Moller and ended up talking about someone who would be an ideal candidate to guard Cotton and I haven't yet worked out at which point it changed and which player it changed to.

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Brunson  
Earlier this year

and that he is a Simmons stopper based on one play, incredible!

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LV  
Earlier this year

Moller played a key role in United's 17/18 championship season- he was in the starting 5, and one of their better players through their mid season winning streak where the team established itself. Moller also played a role for United last season, and for Sydney in their 11-1 start to this season.

Moller has already proven he’s a potential starter if it’s within the right situation. You don’t get minutes on the top teams without having something to offer. He is a quality defender. He needs to improve his jump shooting, but his defensive abilities mean he’s deserving of NBL minutes. How many exactly is the only matter for debate.

The only reason Moller’s no longer getting minutes is because Sydney signed Cooks mid-season. Sydney is the most loaded team in the competition. This is very disappointing for Moller if the rumours of last off-season are true- that he signed for more court time!

Too bad, you signed for the NBL's new money team.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

LV, there is a lot truth there, Cooks didn't come cheap like United’s import Kennedy, plus McCarron. In the end owners are not paying big $$$ to have them sitting on the bench. You get squeezed out.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"guard Cotton"

He actually said "mark Cotton" and we all know people that use mark instead of guard really know their basketball!

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

You guys are just pushing a story that isn't really there....

Cooks has been amazing.
13,9,4
6,7,1
14,9,1
5,11,2

Those are numbers that Moller just wouldn't ever get. And Cooks has had huge impact on both ends.

We're comparing him to a guy that's a solid off the bench defensive pinch hitter. The conversation is laughable.

Moller isn't getting minutes because his offensive deficiencies aren't being covered by his defensives positives.

Cooks contributes on both ends, and is playable at the 4,5 due to his rebounding and interior D.

Moller would only be playable at the 3, he can't shoot, and clearly is too much of a negative on the perimeter compared to, Lisch, Didi, Newley, Tate, Bruce who he is stuck behind.

It's pretty simple to me.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Moller should have gone to Cairns or Illawarra in hindsight.
Adelaide would be a good fit too.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

On a more positive discussion note: this is the reason I still think Sydney will win the chip (now against the odds).

Sydney had a fundamental flaw against Melbourne and were lucky to scrape through. Melbourne was a match up nightmare on both ends. Sydney had to win with no flow, no game style and no easy buckets.

On Sunday night, Sydney started to play like they are meant to. Like a team that finished on top of the ladder. They still had some lapses, BUT their D looked solid and they were generating looks from their offense. Something of which they absolutely didn't get against Melbourne.

Sydney have been the better team. I think they will gain confidence from competing on Sunday, and start to get some more flow and lock in on D. Confidence that got totally stripped from them against Melbourne.

On the flip side, I think Perth will gain confidence from their game 1 win, and this will result in them not making the change that I think would've won them the series (playing more time without a C (Plumlee/ Majok). I think we will see Sydney start to get stops and run and play like they have all year, and Perth's personnel play into that. Playing off Norton/ Martin will work, and Sydney look so strong when they clog the key like that.

You all complain that Sydney has spent all the money to have 16 imports and 3 times the salary of every other team, and that's why i think they can pull back this series. They've got too much fire power on both ends, and the cream will rise to the top when it matters.

Should be a great series. Very unpredictable playoff series but if i have to, I predict Sydney to upset on Friday, then games to go to the home court team the rest of the way. Sydney 3-2.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

@ Greggo,
nice selective stats, maybe go back and look at the real stats and you will see overall Cooks stats are worse, unlike you I'm not going to bag Cooks because I believe he is a good player, my beef as a kings fan of 20 plus years is that our start to this season was a lot to do with Moller’s performance and am amazed how since his return from injury he has not been used.

As a fellow kings member said to me after Sunday game if when Moller got injured and the team continued on the winning run you could understand him not getting back in, but it was totally the opposite as kings struggled to 8 and 6 without him.

You are totally allowed your opinion but as a lot kings supporters in my area, we don’t believe it’s right even though we still think Weaver overall has done well. Enjoy your opinion and I’ll stick to mine.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

Unlike me? I didn't bag anyone.

Selective stats? Playoff series... where he's been one of the only players to perform.

Talk about the start of the season all you want, but it's clear as day that Moller is unplayable on the perimeter the way the Kings have been guarded this post season.

We can keep comparing a solid NBL role player to an internationally touted, NBA scouted, Boomer selected player if you like, but the facts are I think Moller isn't able to see the floor much in the playoffs, and Weaver seems to agree.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

FYI it is Mollers Dad doing the posting, if you ever spend a minute with him he fills it word for word as per the anonymous' fan boy comments above

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"our start to this season was a lot to do with Moller's performance"

I think there are a number of other factors that led to Sydney's fast start and mediocre finish.

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Camel 31  
Earlier this year

It was one game and they were gonna sub out Terrico White, but he swissed 2 threes. Stendel and Gleeson agreed to leave him on while he was hot.
No wonder they are a top team. Weaver does the opposite.
Seems unlikely they would leave a player on for 32 minutes getting one in outta 14 shots....

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

I just checked the numbers from this regular season.
When Moller played > 15 minutes, Sydney were undefeated vs Perth with an average winning margin of 19 points
When Moller played < 15 minutes, Perth were undefeated vs Sydney with an average winning margin of 14 points

It is clearly suicidal to leave him sitting on the bench, so the only explanation is that Sydney are intentionally throwing the first 2 games with the intention of unleashing Moller in the last 3 and making history by coming back from the dead to win it in 5. It is brilliantly audacious.

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Greggo  
Earlier this year

Brilliant Luuuc

Sydney let themselves get 2 games down. Bet their next years salaries on Sydney championship. Unleash Moller ftw. Then next year they can afford 4 next stars, 6 imports, 5 marquee players, and be able to resign Moller on a 100 year deal.

Genius in its simplicity and effectiveness.

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

Greggo...some good points re Sydney.

They can be buoyed that they weren't far off a win.

Near the top of their list would have been to stop the Wildcats offensive rebounding which they limited.

If Ware didn't have such a bad game I think things would have been quite different.

Kings play the percentages and gambled and Martin came up trumps on the 3. three quarters of the time that would likely be in the Kings favour.

Kings were not unlucky and the Wildcats were not lucky, both played to their plan and took educated gambles.



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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It just occurred to me that Sydney's bench includes:

Moller
Cooks
Kickert
Louzada
Walker

5 international players on the bench, no wonder there are not enough minutes to go around. Moller deserves to play but there are only 40 minutes in a game. Kings are too stacked he would probably be better off going to the Phoenix or the new Tassie team where he could be a star. Just look at what Pineau did with more opportunity

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Craig  
Earlier this year

@ Greggo
Perth will make adjustments, dont think for a second that just because they won that they wont make adjustments... Perth are in the finals year after year for a reason.

They snatched game 1 in Sydney, now if they win Friday its going to be near on impossible for a Sydney team to beat them 3-0 given regular season (1-3) and finals (0-1) has them at 4-1 for the year against Perth.

Gleeson is a better coach than Weaver, whilst Sydney has a lot of talented players on the roster, Perth are the better 'team'.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Gleeson makes all other coaches look second rate, he's just that good. He has good players but he just knows when to get them on and off. He’s not scared to bench any player either.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Kickert and Walker are international players now? Cmon man.

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Lovebroker  
Earlier this year

Damien Martin stripped KD35 of the ball once. I'm shocked he isn't in the NBA and auto-nominated for DPOY.

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MACDUB  
Earlier this year

Could just be me but I've found it really hard to get into this season's playoffs.
That 12 days that they had off between end of regular season and playoffs really ruined it for me - attention diverted elsewhere and haven't watched a game since.
Not sure if other people are in the same boat?
What was the reason for the 12 day break - the break now only gets us closer to NRL/AFL season and probably draws more casual fans away?

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

So you missed that it was called the FIBA Break and that your national team beat ours during it?

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Luuuc  
Earlier this year

(I should really use an asterisk for our National Team* since it was missing Ben Simmons due to NBA commitments and Craig Moller due to the upcoming NBL playoffs)

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LoveBroker  
Earlier this year

I think Simmons refused to join the team as he is sick of being Moller's bunny.

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LV  
Earlier this year

Moller should do a Blanchfield- ask for his contract to be cancelled and then sign with a lesser team.



These guys made solid NBL careers over the past 10 years:



Brendan Teys

Kevin White

Greg Hire



None of them had much to offer, but got through on hard work and team first attitude. Moller has limitless potential compared to those 3, but he's bench warming because he’s on possibly the most star studded team of all time.



What about these starters on multiple championship teams, who had significant limitations or weaknesses in their skillsets:



Warrick Giddey

Mika Vukona

Damien Martin

Dillon Boucher


Moller just needs to find a situation that’s right for him. Not sitting on a bench is a good start. #AnyonebutSydney

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LV  
Earlier this year

Wait Boucher might not have been a starter? Well he did play serious minutes anyway

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

MOller has one year to go on his contract.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Contracts in sport now never seem to hold up, it's why the afl made it a lot easier to move from club to club.

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LV  
Earlier this year

From memory, Blanchfield had a year left and asked the Kings to cancel it. Moller could do the same.

It'd be the right thing to do for the Kings to let him go, since they screwed him over by signing a World Cup Boomer selection to take his spot in the rotation.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

^How did that work out for Blanchfield?

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Three to make two  
Earlier this year

"^How did that work out for Blanchfield?"

If you just go by the stats, he went up in nearly every area after moving from Kings to Hawks. eg, playing time from 26 to 27 1/2 mins, shooting % up from 41 to 48% and ppg from 9 to 14. However, apart from minutes, he went down this year.

But the stats don't show everything about how it went for Todd. Other things could come into play like does he still enjoy playing, what's his relationship like with the club and coaches, can he improve for next year, does he want to put the work in?

And, if it was just minutes, he's never really struggled for court time, consistently getting 25-30 mins across most of his career.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Oh people can come up with statistics to prove anything three to make two 40% of all people know that.
But if he stayed at the kings he would be in the finals right now instead of stinking up the place and coming arrrrrr last.

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