Two years ago
Since when is "global search" a good thing when it comes to NBL???
What they're basically saying is that they won't pay for any of the existing well-qualified coaches. Instead they hoping to find somebody, with a sellable resume, who is tired of being shot at, and is prepared to come for peanuts.
With a bit of luck, they'll land another Billy Beaver, and if they have $5M to spend on players they can also fail to win a championship.
Top flight unemployed coaches are turning down the opportunity because they want nothing to do with the admin or the owner.
The coaches club is small and reliable
What continues to go on in Adelaide is a joke. No self respecting coach wants any part of the sideshow and drama.
- The only names mentioned as being considered are Caporn and Brooks.
- Smyth was told quickly early on in the process thanks but no thanks.
- Aaron Fearne hasn't been spoken to nor expressed interest in the job.
- Both Drmic & Froling have been given early permission to speak to other teams. The team are already looking at candidates to replace Froling.
Oh well glad to hear Fearne isn't being considered and Froling won't be re-signed.
Agreed they're spinning like tops at the moment. How is JVG saying that the pick of the coach will essentially be an executive appointment by the owner? He's already distancing himself from the selection. The Froling back and forth BS too.
Clearly they've been dropping names like Gaze & Smyth (and Fearne being mentioned to Boti) to make it appear as though everyone and their dog wants the gig which is why the two in consideration are Caporn & Brooks two guys desperate for a HC job they will even put up with a meddling owner. Now they're having to look at guys from overseas.
Also doesn't sound great that a HC might not be named until 2-3 weeks into free agency, I'm sure any coach worth their salt would love hearing that being handed a roster of players already chosen for them.
Two years ago
Now that this Asterisk season is finished, we need to focus on the next business at hand.
I was listening to Boti's podcast this morning and I heard him say the words Marty Clarke with Adam Caporn and rebuild.
I don't want Marty Clarke 2.0.
I lived Marty Clarke 1.0 and it made me almost want to stop supporting the team and follow over 50's women's ten pin bowling.
Please Grant...you obviously have the budget, use it wisely. Get a decent coach with credentials, get Scott Machado and we will have a super base to work with.
Dillon, White and Teys aren't signed for next season yet. All of those players including Randle, DJ, McVeigh & Kyei have options for next season that can't be waived or exercised until the week before free agency begins.
Technically the only players officially under contract right now are Mudronja and Giddey.
Zodiac u are a muppet. Every player is designed except Froling and Drmic. Multi year deals and Teys/White/Mcveigh/Obi/Dillon are guaranteed. But they may have played options. None of them are club options only the imports. Quit talking out of your ass you uninformed fuckwit. Jerome Randle has an option but if they don't bring him back have to give him 20/30k.
Why have we given up on froling. With new coach comes new oportunities. He showed enough at times agreed under joey and did appear to be disinterested. Easy cures and have a big powerful unit to build from foundations. Ok some might say he needs to work hard. Exactly simple fix work hard. A lover of the big h. Can't loose this big fish. Be a case of another one that bit us on bum and big h will certainly take a mouthful.
You are missing teys. I rather keep him. Thinking new coach needs to make call on froling. A talent unit his size not something that's like abundant. A new coach my well invibrate froling to get super fit motivated. Once the horse has bolted its likely not gunna be same horse. Teys please the guy probably had his best season last year. May not be super star but is super glue for team. As hard as my nails. We need dependability.
Humphries and Adel are G league reserves, they don't play. JVG in charge now so I’m not surprised. Adel is a poor version of Noi and Kelly could not find a lot minutes for him in Cairns.
Imports and quality Australians coming home could be good if the virus takes a lot longer to go as the European market could be down. On the flip side imports get paid in US dollars and the Australian dollar is so low you need double to get them here.
If it's Caporn I wonder what his staff will look like. Will they continue the clean out and KB on his bike or keep him as a bit of continuity. Or keep Golley that spoke out on behalf of players.
Or does he go with young staff of his choosing or experienced ex coach.
Would like to see if we could get a CJ or someone else that's been assistant for a while and has experience of different systems. But as a rookie head may have some job security issues.
Not sure CJ Massingham right direction. With KB have vast experience and succession plan. So double barrel benefits caporn hopefully can attract young Aust and dev. Need to retain some experience but squad looks too mature with white dillion treys.
Why does drmic want out. Opportunity to establish himself in starting 5. Approaching his peak and new coach should give him the confidence he seem to seeking and not receiving. Expectstions were too high. Keen for new generalional sixers to emerge.
Why is KB seen as succession plan, been there how long, if he was viewed as that then he would have gotten job. Don't think he'll do a Cooks at Illawarra and stay there no matter what. Keep Teys, the other 2 only been there this season and did stuff all. Plus it could attract Motum, played here before, mates with Teys and probably wants out of Europe now with young family and situation over there.
Drmic was one of Joey's guys, smart thing would be to stay, doubt there's better opportunities elsewhere. Let Froling go, will be out of league soon or 3rd big in rotation somewhere.
" PerthWanker really doesn't know a lot. Stacker just left a 21st century club and you want him to do that again? YUou are indeed a wanker."
Seriously? He suggested Stacker as an assistant, and THAT is your response?
I know which one the wanker is.
KET, the landscape is obviously changing but I'd say the plan is/was Caporn,Giddey and 1 or 2 upgraded Aussies. Saying 2 as I think one is a sg/sf and we need a big.
Who would have Caporn coached/built a relationship with at both AIS and assistant coach with the boomers?
Can’t compare Clarke to Caporn as the talent wasn’t there/NBL wasn’t as big.
Gaze also said we are a chance for an Aussie NBA free agent.
You can compare Clarke and Caporn. In fact in Clarke's era it was easier to turn a team around as there wasn't such a big discrepancy in talent between teams. No better evidence of that than the last to grand final turn-around under Joey the very next season with the only real change being Gary Ervin.
Caporn has done nothing. Got a gig at St Mary's as a AC, then a plum COE role. When you talk to him he almost seems self aware of how inexperienced he is.
Why do we pick up another L plate coach. I love the fact that Grant has bought the team and pumped money into it but man does he have no idea in terms of basketball operations.
Maybe we have to think of the other way. Who would want to coach Sixers at the moment. No real young talent to build with, aging DJ, one of the biggest scandals ever with Joey (that has only gone quiet because of Corona), unknown future for league, weak Aussie dollar so overseas free agents are taking huge pay cut.
Overseas coaches would be ruled out. Who else is left, not much. So biggest name is really Caporn, no-one else is stupid enough which in itself could be a worry though.
On reflection I'm going to give him a go. Marty Clarke was just a really shit coach. Our first year we should stuggle, second aim for playoffs, third be in contention. If we're really bad after year 2 then it was failed experiment.
I'm trying to put the pieces together. If I’m right the team balance/talent/better humans will be much better than it has been.
Marty Clark got an 18 yr old Mitch Creek
Caporn would have helped to get Giddey and I’m thinking a SG/SF who would be amazing or a pg (both Olympic boomers) and a big (possibly Humphries)
Two years ago
And it wasn't until Creek's seventh year that they got any real return on their investment.
Creek is an excellent athlete but had far too many limitations to be considered a good investment. NBL teams can't afford to spend six years developing a player.
Giddy is seemingly a PR stunt, maybe to deflect from the club's other shortcomings?
Caporn will need some experienced / veteran guys on court and they will need to be ready to support a rookie coach.
It will be fascinating to see it unfold.
DJ is not a winner and Teys' behaviour seems to too much reflect his former coach. Move them both on.
Dillon and White - surely not another year.
Opportunity for Caporn to build his team.
Got Creek but took Wright to hone him into player.
As the the head hunting list, in case you haven't watched the news there's been a bit of a international crisis. Who would be head hunted in Australia that isn't contracted now, Gaze? So those that applied is your list, if you didn't apply then who are these amazing coaches, still waiting for you to name 3.
At least Smythe got told to piss off quick.
Two years ago
"Te rangi was a waste at Brisbane,"
Agreed, but only this last season. And that was more of a recruitment issue rather than Te Rangi under-performing. With Singler & Braun in the team, hard for him to get mins. Wasn't he best 6th man last year? Reckon he'd actually be a very good prospect as he'd want to re-establish his value in the league and, with another year to seal his spot for Tokyo, with the Tall Blacks, too.
964, short of the international crisis, there's a lot I disagree with your post, or is just wrong.
1. Joey's tenure coincided with Creek's prime. That doesn't mean Joey was personally responsible for that improvement. The fact that young players have improved under him is as much a sign of natural mental and physical maturity as anything Joey might have done.
2. The anti-Caporn sentiment is that he's an underwhelming choice. He hasn't coached for very long, hasn't accomplished much, and hasn't left a lasting impression like, say, Seebohm did on the women's side of international competition, or experienced coaches have.
3. Regarding a list: we don't know who applied. Most journalists have gotten it wrong so far e.g. Boti with Fearne. NBL assistants (McCains, Forde etc.) have more of a claim, except for having a relationship with Giddey. I'd be disappointed to learn if the 36ers' worldwide search didn't include reaching out to those kind of candidates.
4. How was Smythe told to piss off when the 36ers approached him, and Smythe turned down potential opportunities?
Not sure with McMains but happen to speak with Forde as he is back in Perth. He said he was interviewed and made the shortlist of candidates, but told mid last week that he wasn't successful. He reckons he was confident Caporn would get the job too - and gave him much praise that he would do a good job of it.
Of course Forde is going to publicly say Caporn is going to do a good job.
There's a lot of people who will say that Caporn is going to do a good job, but privately are shaking their heads in disbelief at the 36ers choice.
To be clear I'm not suggesting those are Forde's private views, I can't speak for him.
I hope Caporn is a success for the sake of the club, but there is nothing in Caporn's coaching history that suggests he will be, nothing at all.
1) Chicken or the egg. Did Joey push Creek into the player he's become or did Creek do it all by himself. Pretty sure Creek has credited Wright a lot with his development.
2) Good example with Seebohm numbnuts, any idea of how he became head coach in WNBL and coach of the year in his rookie campaign? Less experience than Caporn.
3)Of course we don't know who applied, you're the one telling the story of how many great coaches are out there.
4)You interview then immediately pull name out of hat, out of courtesy you get the interview but when you get told you're not getting it then you quit to save face, pretty simple for a reasonable person to surmise.
"I'm thinking a SG/SF who would be amazing or a pg (both Olympic boomers) and a big (possibly Humphries)"
Perhaps we can get Pat mills also while we are being unrealistic.
How do you expect the owner to pay for 2 boomers and Humphries? We would be lucky to afford one let alone those 3 players.
1. Creek has credited Joey, correct. Having seen how he coaches and how hard Creek has pushed himself though I don't buy it. To be fair, Joey definitely allowed Creek to thrive as they had a good relationship, but that doesn't mean he's the cause of Creek's improvement. I'm confident another coach could have achieved the same result, if not better because Creek has always had the determination to be elite.
2. Resorting to name-calling because you can't put forth a cohesive argument? Nice.
Seebohm was well-respected coach before he won a junior gold medal and drew praise from the entire basketball community. Then he was given a WNBL head coaching gig. That seems like a logical progression based on tangible accomplishments, rather than just assistant roles that seem to be at least somewhat the result of connections in the case of Caporn.
Experience doesn't mean shit if you coach to a worse capacity than other candidates. I don't have an opinion of him, but Stacker has his name thrown around a bit, and his vast experience doesn't mean much to most.
3. I'm not the same anon from earlier in the thread saying there were heaps of coaches out there better than Caporn... I'm just pointing out that there are highly competent coaches in Australia that, if interested, potentially have a better claim to the role. I also gave you two examples of coaches I've been impressed by, so I don't get what your point is here.
4. Do you have any inside knowledge of this or are you implying this is how it went down? Because I've been told differently by people close to the situation. I also don't get why Smythe would need to 'save face'. Smythe doesn't need the job: he makes a very cushy living by doing public speaking gigs, and not being successful for the position really isn't an indictment on him - just a reflection of the other candidates.
Smyth told them from Day 1 he wasn't interested and went as far as contacting media outlets to tell them to stop using his name, or so the story goes
This is the same guy that also turned down the director of basketball job with the 36ers according to some people.
Brunson, I said I'm trying to put the pieces together but I think there was/will be 1 Aussie boomer signing. Having a guess I'm thinking either a PG or SG/SF.
Again they're not going to go into the season without a C, so you'd assume a centre will be signed and better than Froling if not you'd keep him . With Caporn apparently the new coach and with his relationship with Humphries maybe an option.
I'm with Isaac and thinking the team was highly paid. JVG said the same. Does 400k (Griffin money) get you Delly/Broekoff/Motum etc.
I may be way off but,
Import SF or Adel
Griffin wasn't on 400k. Ask his agent.
If you think 400k gets you Griffin how do you think that gets you the names you mentioned that are NBA fringe or entrenched.
36ers already have White, Mudronja , Dillon , Teys and Giddey committed to contracts so another PG isn't going to happen without 2 of those being paid out.
Two years ago
"Smyth told them from Day 1 he wasn't interested and went as far as contacting media outlets to tell them to stop using his name, or so the story goes
This is the same guy that also turned down the director of basketball job with the 36ers according to some people."
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