Anonymous
Last month

NBL releases statement to address Sydney accusations

Posted on the nbl website. They say there was no agreement in place about no winner.

They also said when they tried to accelerate the series Sydney didn't want to because they wanted more rest.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sydney quit, then tried to control the narrative and take the moral high ground.

Now they are backtracking, because they couldn't get the moral high ground and the narrative was already written.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Good response from the NBL, and they handled it diplomatically. Still a lot that was unsaid too - Sydney should be thankful that they didn't go to town on Smith for his disgraceful attitude.

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Anonymous  
Last month

It appears almost nothing could've been done to avoid the series finishing prematurely.

What if LK used a private jet and both teams played back to back in Adelaide over two days... Import players wanted out in case they were gonna be stuck here for months, it wasn't purely a safety decision. It seems all unavoidable.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No one was playing in bloody Adelaide. The court had been dismantled ages ago. To set it all up again would have been ridiculous

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LC  
Last month

"There is always a need to balance business decisions and transparency to the public, but it continues to be a question, that's been highlighted again in this latest series of events. There's a need for greater transparency on impactful decisions, especially when it relates to outcomes from behind-the-scenes discussions, that will drive better accountability and trust from all parties."

NBL Grand Final fallout: On transparency, Rule 34 and why speed was critical, especially with coronavirus threat

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Lovebroker  
Last month

Well done NBL.

Very professional and firm response.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Nbl is in good hands, and I'm an anyone but Perth supporter.

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Anonymous  
Last month

so to me, someone is telling little fibs... either the NBL didnt have any contingencies, the players assoc didnt talk to their members OR the sydney front office didnt relay information to their team.

hmm

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catfan  
Last month

Disappointing by Sydney. I do respect their decision to withdraw from Game 4 & 5.

Regardless of what other codes are doing they have every right to refuse taking on any perceived risk from the Corona Virus to the best of their understanding.

THAT being said, to believe that you have every right to make a decision which impacts other parties and have the outcome fall in your favour is where they've gone wrong.

Completely selfish. Don't come out and say you need a few more days for your players to rest, then turn around a day later and say you don't want to play.

They made their bed...now live with it.

Can we give runners up accolades to Cairns instead?

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Anon  
Last month

Sydney lost twice at home. Look at that first.. had 3games and won 1. Shit played all 5 sorry 4 be done 3 - 1. Losers.
You f... up by not winning on home deck.. you gave Perth suckers or fuck,,,s as nice and they pulled down your pants...win one lose some 2. You are out.

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Anonymous  
Last month

" Don't come out and say you need a few more days for your players to rest, then turn around a day later and say you don't want to play."

Bingo!

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Perthworld  
Last month

Can we give runners up accolades to Cairns instead?

Let's not get greedy.

On second thought let's get greedy.

NBL what say you?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Speaking of transparency, maybe Sydney needed to be transparent and admit their imports wanted to go home, they tried to hide it by saying they felt it was unsafe. Just one of many problems to how they handled this.

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KET  
Last month

either the NBL didnt have any contingencies


How many sport leagues have contingencies for such a situation?

They monitored it, played to closed stadium, offered 3 game series, offered to push the games earlier, play out of 1 venue, cost charter flights....

About as reasonable and diligent as you can get surely?

The only people who don't think Perth deserved to be awarded the trophy are the Sydney Kings for obvious one-eyed purposes.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Bogut is just a disgruntled employee who didn't like the way management did things.

Could managment done better? Yes. But it's management, and they can do what they want.

Imagine if we all got to hold press conferences when we didn't like thew way our company did something.

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Shayno  
Last month

Nbl did big hoo ha about perth are champions where like 99% of the population didn't care.

Syd right to pull out, perth wanted championship, would of played in wuhan just for their name to b on the trophy.

Then u see the pics about syd showing compassion to their players and staff where u see perth going wild over a trophy.

It shows u what some people are about, syd about isolation where perth and the nbl about getting their hands on as much tp pasta and hand sanitizer as they can get.

Its a poor look

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LoveBroker  
Last month

Shayno...you need to see a specialist if that is how you interpret things in life.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Shayno is a bitter troll.

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Cornholio  
Last month

Sydney could have rested after game 4.

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Frig  
Last month

Poor Shayno, obviously taken a gobful of the blue oyster and can't get rid of the salty taste in his mouth.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The world has been about winning only for years, sport, politics, business, etc, as the saying goes. Winners are grinners and losers can please themselves.
If Sydney are leading the way to a new compassionate society I'm happy, let’s see lots more off it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Shaynos post was a big hoo ha

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Cat  
Last month

I think the real champions are the ones who could actually decipher what bitter Shayno was actually saying. Who needs grammar anyway.

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D2.0  
Last month

For what it's worth, I tend to believe Sydney, if only for the consistency of their selfish dickheads attitude.

What Sydney are now saying is that they don't actually care about the players, only about the result, and would not have pulled out if they'd known Perth would get the win.

I imagine there probably was a comment/commitment earlier on that if the series was called off (completely) then neither would be declared the winner.
That I imagine is Sydney's beef. They're saying the whole series was cancelled.
Whereas the league has decided that the series is shortened, and the 3 game results stand.

Really not a good look for Sydney. They've now completely undone any kudos they earned with their claims of putting player welfare first.

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Anonymous  
Last month


The criticism toward the NBL is 100% valid. I post here as an Anon but I posted a fair bit last week and was consistently saying that the NBL needed to 'control the narrative' in posts about this, through the first three games. This is exactly why.

When it came to cutting the series to three, or moving game schedules, or game locations, the NBL should not have been leaving it to the clubs to decide.

I think *everyone* could see that there was a 90% chance it was going to end after the weekend. The NBL absolutely should have either called it a three game series ahead of game 2, or been *super* explicit about what was going to happen if it had to be called after game 3, or game 4 if that had gone forward.

They should have understood that there could be different circumstances that lead to a cancellation. Player testing positive. Sudden transportation issues with teams stuck in different cities. Some other government edict that in some way has a side effect of cancellation. Certainly that players and key staff from other countries might need to (or feel they need to) accelerate their departures. I can't see how it would have been difficult for them to think of all of these potential issues, as they were all brought up on this forum and no-one in here seems to be particularly bright, to be fair.

At that point in the hours before Game 2, when they knew they had a really precarious situation on their hands, they should have been extremely clear and specific and public with some different scenarios, and some clear results based on those scenarios, and let both the players and fans engage with the remaining series with that in mind.

- Game 2 is definitely going ahead as it's in a few hours
- At the moment we can see no reason why Game 3 can't go ahead in a couple of days.
- If something/anything happens between Game 2 and Game 3, even if the series is at 2-0, it will be called a no-win series.
- If we can go to Game 3, the teams and the fans should consider it a three game series at this point, and engage with it as such
- We will reconvene on Monday to determine next steps for a potential game 4/5. If for *any* reason there is not a path forward - external change or internal thinking, league mandated or team decision - the three game result stands and the overall winner determined by that result.

So simple, and actually so easy to see that as being necessary a week ago.

If the main charge is that the NBL completely messed up the handling of this, it seem to be 100% correct.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Best of 3 was discussed prior to game 2 but the Kings declined

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yes, but what I'm saying is that the NBL shouldn't have accepted that as "ok well I'll guess we just wait and see then". They should have taken control of the possible scenarios from there. The Kings were saying they didn't formally want to make it Best of 3, but the NBL should have still said okay fine, but there's a huge risk it will be, so let's make some scenarios and their results clear from here...

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Anonymous  
Last month

Is that what Bogut's complaint was, because I was struggling to put my finger on it. He said the league office should've been pro active in coming up with options. But when they did come up with the options the Kings preferred the status quo.

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Perthworld  
Last month

JL was wrong.
LK also wrong.
NBL got it wrong.
NBL's legal counsel - wrong!
FIBA wrong.

Paul Smith, Bogut and Shayno are right.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Its clear the league won't consult teams again, they will simply decide. Ironically thats basically what bogut is getting at, most would think having a say is ideal but not Sydney it seems

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Mobbin  
Last month

Bogut lacks the higher brain functions to make decisions, as such he needed a parent (Smith) or authority (NBL) to tell him what to do and think... If not he is a toddler throwing a tantrum, not knowing what's going on nor how to deal with it.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No - it's not that they shouldn't have talked to teams or asked for their opinion, of course they should have, it's just about clarity. It seems that the NBL obviously didn't provide any clarity.

They asked the Kings if they wanted to definitely make it a three game series and the Kings said no, and then the NBL said... what exactly? "Okay well lets just see how we go then" ?

The situation was fluid, and they should have spelled out what would happen if certain events occurred - which seems obvious, and that several of those events would seem quite likely to have occurred would seem obvious too, and not just in hindsight.

For example, did they provide any clarity around what was going to happen if a player had contracted the virus? You'd think they would have thought that there was a chance of that, and would have known they would need to cancel, and so would need to have a mechanism/s in place for awarding the winner, and that everyone should know exactly what that is, no? Doesn't seem like they did.

Think of it another way - the Kings are saying that they thought the NBL said if it was called off for any reason, it would be a no-winner situation. The NBL is saying that they didn't say that. If you think one side or the other is lying here, then you are reaching for what should quite obviously be by far the least likely reality. It's ridiculous to think that the Kings are just making that up (how old are you?) and it's equally ridiculous to think that the NBL did say that and are now lying with their denial.

What is *most* likely is that there was just a lack of clarity. And you can tell because no-one has suggested that they said the opposite either, i.e. that the NBL made it clear that whoever has a series lead will be the winner, or if it's at a point where the series is even, it goes on points or whatever. They obviously didn't say that *and* they are saying that they didn't say it would be a no-winner situation, therefore, their whole argument is that they didn't say *anything*, which is completely clear and obvious because when the Kings withdrew they said they needed 48 hours to figure it out.

This isn't an argument about whether or not the Wildcats should have been awarded the win - I think they should have - it's about it being messy and unsatisfying. That's 100% on the NBL.

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KET  
Last month

Messy lol the corona crisis is messy in general.

Things escalated significantly over the course of a week over days over hours.

Sydney are just shitty because they didn't want Perth to be awarded the trophy. Perth deserved it, in the circumstances Sydney should have had a bit of grace about it instead of acting entitled

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PlaymakerMo  
Last month

"I think *everyone* could see that there was a 90% chance it was going to end after the weekend."

So then why does the NBL need to hold the Kings' hand? It's not really about "clarity" if it was (apparently) so obvious how the situation was going to unfold.

Hindsight is 20/20.

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Anon  
Last month

Are you guys really that smug and dumb?

Bogut's point is it shouldn't be left for the two teams (and players) competing for the championship to make the decisions, and the league needed to step in and show leadership.

Bitter or not, he's right. The NBL response didn't respond to that in their stupid little media release. They keep crowing about engaging teams and not being able to come to an agreement. They are the League. Step in and make a solid decision to dictate how the competition will run, with expert input- not two teams making decisions who are trying to win. It was mishandled so it had to be run in hindsight rather than with transparency and coming to award a winner that deserved it (yes, that should've been Perth, but not in this shitty half cocked way).

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Anonymous  
Last month

#165
Get out while you're well behind.

The league offered both clubs options but the kings wanted the GF series to stay exactly the same. They then decided to not play on. You don’t have to be that smart to work it out.

The league made recommendations, kings rule them out.

I’m an anyone but Perth supporter.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The league did make a decision, just not the decision the Kings players made.

Their decision was game 4 goes ahead.

Sydney withdraw, league calls it off - team leading the >50 % completed series is crowned.

Not really that complicated.

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Andrew  
Last month

Its all moot now, move on and deal with it!

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Bogut's point is it shouldn't be left for the two teams (and players) competing for the championship to make the decisions, and the league needed to step in and show leadership."

Bogut wanted the league to make the same decision the Kings did ie cancel the series and award no winner. The league made a different decision saying game 4 would go ahead, but we can bring it forward. The Kings didn't like that decision.

What else should the league have done?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Sydney outcome was decided on the court. Had they been up 2-1 they would have been champions. Ultimately in this debate you gotta win on the court.

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Cornholio  
Last month

Better luck next year Bogut.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Are you guys really that smug and dumb?

Bogut's point is it shouldn't be left for the two teams (and players) competing for the championship to make the decisions, and the league needed to step in and show leadership."

The NBL did make a decision, and that was that the series was to continue and that the Kings withdrew. That's clear from their statement where they specifically mention the Kings decided not to play.

It's just that the Kings didn't like the decision, so they're complaining about the "process". It's the result they didn't like.

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KET  
Last month

Agreed

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Greggo  
Last month

Ok fellas. Keep pretending you wouldn't be upset with the uncertainty just because you got the result you wanted. I'm sure you'd be just as smug about how it all happened if Sydney were 2-1 up.

Haha

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KET  
Last month

I was going for Sydney in the series lol

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PlaymakerMo  
Last month

Greggo, of course the Kings and their fans should feel frustrated. That's not the point.

1. Did the NBL communicate with the relevant parties during this ordeal?
2. Did the NBL consequently make decisions in a transparent and timely manner?
3. Did the NBL make the correct decision regarding a winner, or lackthereof?

Judging from the three accounts of recent events, I believe they have largely succeeded on all three counts. Could they have done better? Of course, but this is new territory for everyone involved.

I also trust Smith and Bogut's accounts the least. They appear to be acting on emotion and putting forth dubious arguments and/or accusations which the Wildcats and NBL have rejected.

To your last point: if Sydney were 2-1 up then they would hold the title with a fat asterisk next to it; just like the Wildcats currently do.

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rjd  
Last month

"What is *most* likely is that there was just a lack of clarity."

Did the Kings didn't bother consulting the rules? It's not like the NBL needs to constantly remind teams during every game what the result would if it were called off due to a leaking roof.

Common sense might also help explain what result might be applied if the series was suddenly called off.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"upset with the uncertainty"

What uncertainty was there? The league said the series is going ahead, and even offered to bring game 4 forward to help move things long. Sydney rejected this.

The only reason there appears to be uncertainty now is because the Kings are trying to muddy the waters of what went on so they can continue to pretend they didn't quit because they were getting embarrassed.

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Anonymous  
Last month

If the Kings wanted certainty they could've just agreed to Best of 3 when they were offered it

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Mark  
Last month

Why were the kings so worried about playing 3 days after Sunday game. Player welfare and tiredness, no time to recover !!!
Lol
What a joke

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PlaymakerMo  
Last month

I don't recall the Kings publicly protesting double header weekends, which generally have a turnover of two days...

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Anonymous  
Last month

Kings were made to look childish , inflexible and not prepared to try and do the right thing to give fans and the NBL season a decent close to the season.

Sorry Kings, your just embarrassing yourselves more. The Wildcats show the level of professionalism and flexibility in these crazy times your guys were not prepared to.

So you were beaten on the court as well as off the court. Who were the worthy winners - Cats by a long shot not just on the court.

Just be quiet and learn from this, not helping yourselves at all by whining in the press.

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Shayno  
Last month

Struth the insult game of people in this forum is as weak as the NBL leadership.

NBL punished the kings for putting safety first, screw who was leading the series etc.

Now u going to award port Adelaide the afl premiership now cause they on top of the ladder atm??

Would love to see the legal fallout from this as its a clear breach of contract by the NBL but it wont get that far.

Ah well off to next season, let them insults fly!

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PlaymakerMo  
Last month

"NBL punished the kings for putting safety first, screw who was leading the series etc."

How? Perth were leading the series and have a logical claim to the title. Sydney have none.

Awarding Perth the title isn't a punishment for Sydney since they had nothing to gain from either of the two appropriate decisions.

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Anonymous  
Last month


Would love to see the legal fallout from this as its a clear breach of contract by the NBL but it wont get that far.

Which part of the contract have they breached?

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PlaymakerMo  
Last month

Also if it's such a clear breach of contract, why do you believe it won't go far? I'm keen for details since you make it sound cut and dry from a legal perspective.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Now u going to award port Adelaide the afl premiership now cause they on top of the ladder atm??" That's what they did with the Sheffield Shield.

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Shayno  
Last month

Perth had nothing to gain?? Omg wow!

Nbl breached contract by not delivering on 5 game series, could of postponed it but have chosen to award title, afl didnt award championship.

The marsh/Sheffield is different as didnt make finals and cricket has clauses in it to award top of the ladder whereabouts nbl doesn't.

The reason they wont go ahead with the action is the kings could be waiting
Years for it to go thru due to the current climate, is it worth all those resources/time to get ur name on a trophy??

For some stupid reason the NBL and people here have some deadline to have the series completed by an unreasonable date but for what reason i will never know

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PlaymakerMo  
Last month

No, Sydney had nothing to gain. Poor grammar on my part.

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FM  
Last month

I see no court in Australia that would reverse the decision. I believe all levels of the judiciary process would not only tell the Violet Crumbles they have no case, would then go on to further endorse the position.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Nbl breached contract by not delivering on 5 game series,"

Yeah cool. Can you point out which parts of the contract says the league must deliver on a 5 game series?

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LoveBroker  
Last month

Yes I want to sue the league.

I paid 'good money' for my SBS steaming subscription and I was promised 5 games.

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Shayno  
Last month

Hahaha lovebroker haha

But the point is valid to when u were promised something and they didn't deliver?

Remind u of any game??

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PlaymakerMo  
Last month

Well technically Sydney didn't deliver games 4 and 5, so maybe take your frustrations up with them.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Shayno, I'm starting to think you aren't the legal expert you had us think you were!

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