Isaac
Last month

NBL players vote on tiered salary cuts

The COVID-19 pandemic created an unstable and untenable financial environment for the league and its teams, leading to both parties coming together with the Australian Basketball Players' Association to negotiate cost-cutting measures.

Each teams' delegates voted on Thursday, sources said, with 15 of the 18 representatives voting in the affirmative, meaning the new measures are expected to go ahead. Contracted players were informed of the agreement after the vote.
The terms of the negotiation will see players hit by salary cuts for the 2020-21 season, sources said, with all parties agreeing to a tiered system of reductions. The minimum salary of $60,000 will remain, and those earning between $60,000 and $79,000 won't be affected by the cuts.

Those earning over $200,000 hit with a 50 percent pay cut, sources said. The rest are as follows:

- $80,000-$99,000: 27.5 percent cut.

- $100,000-119,000: 32.5 percent cut.

- $120,000-139,000: 35 percent cut.

- $140,000-159,000: 37.5 percent cut.

- $160,000-179,000: 42.5 percent cut.

- $180,000-$199,000: 45 percent cut.
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ME  
Last month

Be interesting to see which guys choose to leave and conversely which Aussies playing in Europe decide to play here. Whether or not this is a big hit to the standard of the league will depend on how the pandemic effects other leagues. It might happen that we're one of few leagues running at the time and players have little choice. Certainly, of all developed nations with decent leagues, we appear to be ahead of the game more than most.

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LoveBroker  
Last month

I hate Socialism.

Make the cuts 50% across the board

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Zodiac  
Last month

I actually think this might work for us rather than against us. Australia hasn't seen infection rates like in Europe or the US so I can't imagine either of them being much of a potential destination despite their agents threats. Guys like Landale & Motum will probably opt to play here.

Prior to this I thought Bogut would probably go around again with the delay to the Olympics but not sure he would be willing to take a 50% pay cut.

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LoveBroker  
Last month

The tiers are $20k and the marginal rate change is 2.5% on some tiers.

That equates to $500 pretax.

Why bother with these minute tiers?

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koberulz  
Last month

There's more than one player per tier.

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LoveBroker  
Last month

Is $500 pretax per year going to move your needle?

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koberulz  
Last month

There's more than one player per tier.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Citation needed.

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Luuuc  
Last month

The tiers are $20k and the marginal rate change is 2.5% on some tiers.

That equates to $500 pretax.

Why bother with these minute tiers?

That was my initial thought as well. Seems excessive for such a tiny pool of people.
Whatever gets the deal done, I suppose.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The Goulding's & Creeks of the league spewin’

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LoveBroker  
Last month

I would imagine most teams are not eligible for JobKeeper.

Most of them did not suffer losses due to Corona as their seaosn ended way before it took hold in Australia.

Only Perth and Sydney could make a claim that they lost revenue but even then they have to prove 30% loss in revenue, both team lost 1 GF game of gate receipts.

I guess its possible Sydney could argue that they could not sell their 2019/20 Championship t-shirts and caps....

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LoveBroker  
Last month

Injury protection against career-ending injuries will be capped at $150,000 for the 2020-21 season, sources said, while contracts will resume as normal for the start of the 2020-21 season. The NBL salary cap will remain.


This part I did not understand.

If there is a pay cut, how can contracts resume at the start of 20/21?

And how can the Salary Cap be unchanged?

With the 50% reduction at the top end only teams not called United or Kings would remain above the soft cap even after the harsh cuts.

And most teams would smash through the Sal floor.

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koberulz  
Last month

I assume it's a typo.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Something is not right re the salary cap, certainly if team have to get with in 90% of it. Looks like clubs can pick and choose who they want to cut.

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Anonymous  
Last month

To me seems a bit early, how many months away is the season? Of course free agency is a lot closer but seem to be jumping the gun. Whilst nearly impossible not to be affected, how can anyone really predict the future of league. Even if it means season is delayed a few months to buy some time. I wonder if clubs can attract stars like Bogut by offering shares in the club. Guys like Delly may look to finish career in nbl, maybe even imports. For example Tasmania giving Delly 10%, doesn't need money necessarily but may like to finish career home away from more volatile America.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hopefully if everything clears up there is scope for salaries to jump back again. But who knows

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Anonymous  
Last month

Theres not much you don't hate Lovebroker. You sad prick.

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Hendo8888  
Last month

Is this like tax where your earnings are scaled for each step? Or do you actually lose money if you earn 100k instead of 99k?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hendo - it reads like you end up a lot worse off if you're at the start of a tier than a player at the top of the precedig tier. e.g., player on $80,000 gets cut to $58,000 and player on $79,000 still gets $79,000.

I find it hard to think the players would've accepted that sort of inequity, so I imagine the article's missing the fine print.

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Anonymous  
Last month

If you earn 120g you will end up with less than the player on 119g. The whole thing is a farce. Make it a flat 15% across the league. If you're on more than 200g maybe make it slightly less but not so the are below the 200g guy minus 20%.

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koberulz  
Last month

I feel like it's super important we form strong opinions about this now, based only on a leaked broad outline, before any of the details actually come out.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Boguts tweet:

Have to love @NBL club delegates who are suppose to take a confidentiality oath, leaking this to media through what I assume is an agent. Those who leaked (have a well educated guess on which few judging on previous form) don't deserve to be delegates. #bushleague

Any idea what exactly he means by this & who he’s referring to as the possible leakers?

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LoveBroker  
Last month

Interestingly there is a $1000 gap between each tier.

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Isaac  
Last month

NBL just now:

"Salaries for players earning under $79,000 will revert to the minimum salary capped at $58,584."

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Anonymous  
Last month

The NBL season doesn't start for another 5 months. Why would it be forcing this on the players? And who are the delegates of each that would accept this on behalf of the players?

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koberulz  
Last month

Because they need something in place so free agency can start. It says there will be a review in three months.

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Trevor Torrance  
Last month

I can't see Bryce, sticking around for 200k instead of his 500k+ contract!

The level of imports might not be the best for next season!

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koberulz  
Last month

Where else is he going to go?

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Trevor Torrance  
Last month

The G League- he could command 120k US so that's about the same in AUD and he might get some 10 day contracts!

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Anonymous  
Last month

No one really knows what happening but the nbl had better be careful because basketball is a world sport with lots of leagues and players will be getting there agents to see what's out there if the money gets to low. Perth will be lucky to hang onto Kay with what he’s on, let at all halving his wage.

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koberulz  
Last month

Australia is one of the best countries in the world in terms of the pandemic, and even our league is a maybe. Why is everyone acting like there are going to be all these overseas leagues?

Not to mention the border closures.

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Perthworld  
Last month

Because it's hoops.com.au

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Perth will be lucky to hang onto Kay with what he's on, let at all halving his wage."

Where could he go that has less risk than Australia?

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Billy Bob  
Last month

The economy worldwide will be in the toilet. Less money here, less money overseas.

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koberulz  
Last month

There won't even be leagues overseas, never mind money.

Not to mention the borders are closed.

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Lovebroker  
Last month

It is possible we could lose talents like Kay, Cotton, Ware, Trimble, Long, Creek, Hopson etc to Europe if the conditions are there, being :

- The virus settles down or a vaccine developed in months.
- Borders open in months.
- Euro leagues open.
- Euro leages can continue to pay high.

There's a few ifs there but it is not out of the questions at all.

Another interesting point in the leaked tidbits is that players have a short window to opt out of their current contracts. But their NBL rights are attained by their respective teams should they not be able to find contracts outside of the NBL.

That window is too small for them to make a proper informed decision.

They would have to leave or now commit to the NBL.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Most countries will be on the same footing as Australia, every country wants to get sport going. Yes Australia is potentially safer but if a pro player see a fair bit more money he'll take the risk in what is a short time frame to make the coin.

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Alex  
Last month

I just heard the news of the players salary cuts, roster cuts to only 10 players & only 2 imports each NBL team. :(

Next season will be far the lowest talent I'll watch this season if we have a season?

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Alex  
Last month

I just heard the news of the players salary cuts, roster cuts to only 10 players & only 2 imports each NBL team. :(

Next season will be far the lowest talent I'll watch this season if we have a season?

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Alpha  
Last month

Koberulz - the situation is not sustainable, so the borders in Europe will open soon, some countries have already relaxed their internal restrictions. The countries wanted to buy some time, to get this under some control and relieve pressure of their health systems and they did. There will be no vaccine in a year, maybe never, but with a proper containment including testing, scanning and fast tracking it is possible to have this under good control. With following some simple rules, this will eventually go away.

Most of the teams in Europe will have a smaller budget, still greater than any of NBL teams.

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koberulz  
Last month

Why do people keep arguing that the virus will go away because the restrictions are too inconvenient?

Newsflash, people: the virus doesn't give a shit.

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Anonymous  
Last month

There is a pandemic .
Am I the only person who realises this.

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Anonymous  
Last month

@ Alpha
Clearly said that the virus would stay around but will be managed. Maybe read what he said and go from there. Euro money will be down but clearly more than what Australia is paying now. Some of the Asian countries will even pay better.

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koberulz  
Last month

Euro money will be down but clearly more than what Australia is paying now.
I would wager a large number of the Euro leagues won't even play.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Some lower division sides will struggle but Europe first division sides will be in it if the lock downs are lifted.

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koberulz  
Last month

Nothing involving teams from multiple countries will run.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Europe will have herd immunity and will be back to living normally way before Australia does so don't get attached to your local home grown stars especially the ones with European passports

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koberulz  
Last month

When you're ready to come back to reality let me know.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Koberulz is a legend of this forum.
Keep it up pal.

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Alpha  
Last month

Well I'm not talking about herd immunity as this virus appears very different - some people do acquire immunity some don't, which makes development of a vaccine very difficult. And I am well aware of what is going on, just at one point in time the life will have to start moving as I said this is not sustainable in a long run. The spread has slowed down and now it is the time to figure out how to move forward. The easiest way is to preach 'do nothing' and 'keep us locked down', it does require lots of effort to figure out how to KEEP THIS UNDER CONTROL, that's what flattening the curve means, and get us going. For those without any knowledge of microbiology and especially virology - any virus requires a living organism to multiply ie humans in this case and it DOES have a life span, on some surfaces it dies off quicker - read it takes 8-9 days on a plastic surface which is the longest time, so eventually with a proper containment and good testing it will eventually be placed under good control and die off. Eventually can be in years, not definitely tomorrow.

So Keberulz - the virus may eventually go away, not because of restrictions, but because of changed behavior and different practices. Restrictions are in place for a small proportion of population, those non-compliant ones, gives governments means to punish them.

Human race experienced pandemics in the past and it would usually come back strong and within certain time frame, usually 2-3 years.

My advice is to read what the Chief Medical Officer for Victoria stated today in The Age - bringing sport is one of the things on the agenda, however the large gatherings are still long way to go.

And for those not aware - there are flights to and from Australia but the entry rules are in place ie residents and citizens can return and those with a medical clearance can enter, all must comply with quarantine rules so the world is moving.

So Koberulz - if Euroleague can guarantee safety of players and staff by conducting daily tests and flying teams by chartered planes, play in empty stadiums, just to get it going - the borders will not stop it and I bet the countries will support it. Sports has always been something bringing the sense of normality, giving hope and that's why it is important to bring it back in some form rather sooner than later. And I'm not talking money here.

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Anonymous  
Last month

@ koberulz
Maybe get your head out of the Murdoch press and watch sbs news, you might find there's more than fear out there.

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Mobbin  
Last month

The mercs will always follow the highest bidder, but any sane person or one with family would be risking a lot in Europe or Asian where no/limited border controls exist and people living on top of each other. Those are the opposite here, so they have to weigh the long term personal/family risk vs short term dollars.
The Trump US is a whole other sh!t storm to walk into.

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Alex  
Last month

Don't see any sports starting this year at all, it’s just reality

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Anonymous  
Last month

Alpha has put up a formidable post.
Koberulz will be working hard on his reply.
I look forward to it :)

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Anonymous  
Last month

NBL isn't starting before January and it will be a totally different season

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Anonymous  
Last month

If NZ keep up the great job they are doing then maybe that could be the NBL playing hub for a while

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Lovebroker  
Last month

https://nbl.com.au/news/nbl-abpa-and-clubs-reach-agreement-for-202021-season

It's official. But no details about salary cap or floor. Hard cap vs soft.

The players seem ok with it but we will see as there is a 2 week opt out period.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Not a lot information there, certainly re salary cap.

If player X is on $150g, can the club still choose to pay him $150, it seems unfair that contracted players got take a reduction but if you don't have a contract you can still get what club is willing to pay.

Let’s use Goulding here as example, if he was on $400g , he should go to $200g but if let’s say Adelaide come in and offer $300g can United match it if that’s the case it’s a good time to be a free agent and if you’re contracted you would think it’s a restriction of trade while your wage gets cut by a %.

Lot gaps in this.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I like the 2 imports and 10 players rule.

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Alex  
Last month

Hopefully everything will work out, challenging times.

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Anonymous  
Last month

We will Alex it's the Australian way mate.

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Luuuc  
Last month

I tend to agree with Alpha regarding what will happen in Europe.
There is still a heap to be learned about Covid and more data comes in every week, but right now if I had to guess I'm leaning towards the top European leagues (many of which coincide with the hardest-hit countries like Spain, France & Italy) being up and running this coming season somewhat close to their normal schedules.
I'm staying hopeful about the NBL too.

As for salaries, Europe seems even more reliant than us on corporate dollars, which must have taken a fair hit with many of their main sponsors being airlines, hotel groups, etc. Signings for next season have already started so I guess someone out there must know if the usual amount of dollars are being dished out.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Germany starting to open as early as next week, sport is starting up again I'm August. Schools opening next week on a year sis and twelve first and then following all classes. Even if Europe stays with closed boarders all the local leagues will start up.
All subject to obviously staying under control.

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koberulz  
Last month

Schools never even shut here, does the AFL look like it's running to you?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I don't watch afl. I’m certain if things start to open up they’ll be back playing though.

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koberulz  
Last month

You completely missed my point.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Your point is that the world is going to end and we will be locked up for years, I'm an optimist and I can see daylight. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

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koberulz  
Last month

No, my point is that reopening things we haven't closed isn't a sign that they're ahead of us.

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Alpha  
Last month

AFL will start playing when they figure out how to keep the players safe, and possibly spectators, during that time. For the Government it is easy to keep it as it is. AFL and any other code needs to figure out how to maintain social distancing at all times, or to allow only healthy individuals to be at the games. Easy :)

FYI there are two proposals on the table re Europe - Euroleague has proposed to finish the competition and playoffs in Cologne in July, apparently they are waiting to hear from the German Government if it'll be permitted. Germany is one of the countries with a high rate and number of infected, yet very low hospitalization and mortality rates, which means they are able to control it. Second proposal is for the playoffs of the Eurocup, which should take place in Belgrade. This appears backed up by the Serbian Government, which btw keeps the country under curfew. Both proposals outline how to keep the risks at minimum ie no spectators, only TV, hotel isolation and so on.

Many national competitions are considering similar scenarios as they can't figure out who gets promoted or relegated, a difference between making or losing money.

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koberulz  
Last month

Germany is one of the countries with a high rate and number of infected, yet very low hospitalization and mortality rates, which means they are able to control it.
No, it means they've been lucky.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Again some posters on here should do a bit travelling, Germany is a very organised country that invests heavily in its hospitals and population, no luck to it.

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koberulz  
Last month

There is no treatment. You can invest in whatever you like, it makes no difference.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Morrison might tell you the schools are not shut but Victoria closed, nsw had no one turning up including Morrison kids and teachers were 90% teaching from home. Other states ran on similar lines.

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Alpha  
Last month

So no treatment, no vaccine, we are doomed. Spanish flu took so many lives under basically same circumstances + war and human race recovered in 2 years. I'd say 100 years later we should be able to bounce back quicker if we follow some basic rules/principles. Just need to be realistic and optimistic a bit.

German success is not a matter of luck, it is a sign of social responsibility - those, who felt symptoms or were in contact with someone who was sick, self reported and were/are tested for the virus and if positive self isolated. This actually stops the spread and doesn't end up in hospitalizations in majority of cases due to early detection. Mild flu-like symptoms in the current situation do not mean that one should go to work thinking everything will be fine, for example in an aged care facility in Sydney 27 residents and 14 staff got infected by a staffer who went to work 6 days straight with flu like symptoms and when tested was positive.

Schools again appear different, can't comment if child to child transmissions are low as claimed, not sure how this can be proven without testing, but again the Governments are looking at a mixed teaching mode - face to face and online delivery - to maintain social distancing, so it will happen eventually. Indeed most kids stay home at present but this will probably change in term 3.

What I'm saying is by changing our behavior we can go back to something resembling normality. This will include improved testing (we need a rapid test, not one that takes 24-48 hrs), tracking and social distancing, and will not happen overnight.

Again sport codes will have to figure out how to play under these circumstances and without their real input the Government will not ease restrictions - large gatherings are the last restriction likely to go. Just read an article about a protest in Israel where protesters obeyed social distancing requirements, not a big crowd but still shows that this is possible.

And yes if all sport codes do not come up with a way how to play under current circumstances, they will not play. And the Government will not figure this out for them either.

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koberulz  
Last month

those, who felt symptoms or were in contact with someone who was sick, self reported and were/are tested for the virus and if positive self isolated.
That controls the infection rate, not the mortality rate.

large gatherings are the last restriction likely to go.
Borders will be last.

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Alpha  
Last month

'That controls the infection rate, not the mortality rate'

Talking about taking out of context - why not also copying the following sentence that actually mutes your point completely. The infection rate is directly linked to levels of testing, the more we test the greater chance to find positives. Early detection leads to proper treatment ie use of antipyretics, immune system boosters and so on and avoidance of hospitalization. Those hospitalized are more likely to succumb to the virus - thus mortality. I can keep talking about this as much as you want but obviously you'll always find something 'out of context', and I find this discussion fairly pointless now, especially considering the audience and the topic.

Going back to 'borders issue' - have you heard the news about AFL today? Victorian Chief Medical Officer actually supported their attempt to go back to playing field in July but with clear instructions, including talking to all the states and Feds about cross border travel. I'd say that you don't understand the sporting culture in Europe and that EU will definitely find a way to make this happen. FYI Germany has anyway planned to lift its ban on large gatherings on the 31st of August. And no you don't have to believe me - just do the search or I'll leave a link to their official website.

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Anonymous  
Last month

@ Alpha
You are 100% write, but koberulz knows everything so you are wasting your time though I enjoy reading your posts. :)

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Anonymous  
Last month

"write"

*right

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koberulz  
Last month

I'm talking about international borders, not state borders.

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Anonymous  
Last month

aighhht

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Alpha  
Last month

Koberulz - lol, I guess you lost the plot along the way - the whole discussion was about leagues in Europe and they will play because EU will want them, the borders will not matter in EU as they are treated almost as our state borders. I guess teams from Russia will need to be discussed but considering corporate investments it will not be a big problem.

Anyway, just to expand the topic, this is in relation to Euro salaries by BAT - up to 2,500 euros/month - 20% reduction; over 2,500 euros/month - 50% reduction subject to adjustments.

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Anonymous  
Last month

If player X is on 400g and elects out of his contract and signs overseas to only find it's a no go or he gets cut early and returns to Australia to find his side has no spots left can he sign at another club ? Or can his original club stop him going elsewhere except overseas.

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