Anonymous
Last month

Community sport restrictions to be relaxed?

Media release from government is pretty vague, what does it mean for sport and specifically basketball? Would have thought there was more of a chance transmitting virus than a wedding unless they're talking about tennis or badminton. And if social basketball is allowed, does this mean there could be a chance NBL1 could theoretically start again and have a condensed season without crowds, even juniors with a parent spectating and then leaving immediately. Sounds like crap, wish they could go into more detail.


Community sport and small gatherings are among the activities being considered for relaxed restrictions in three weeks.

Chief Medical Officer Professor Brendan Murphy said he did not want to pre-empt health experts' deliberations but hinted some smaller gatherings may soon be allowed.

"Things like community sport, some retail measures, all of those things will be in the mix," he said.

“I personally feel that community sport is a really important thing and there are ways to make it safer, the National Cabinet will have to weigh up the public health risks vs the clear benefits of re-establishing community sport.”

Large gatherings such as weddings and major events are not being considered at this time.

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Anon  
Last month

If schools are deemed safe then kids should be able to train at a minimum.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Something from the government released that is pretty vague, standard procedure.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Don't know, but assume kids can play basketball at recess and lunchtime, just not after school, that's what I can't fathom. Adults are told to stay home but kids can congregate freely? And kids are known for being spotless germ freaks that wash hands frequently. Just doesn't make any sense, just takes one infected kid and all the good works that's been done is out the window.
Still have to laugh when it first started and Morrison started crapping on he was going to footy and encouraged others to do same thing while the medical advisor is in the background going WTF. Backed down pretty quick a day or so later.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Do you think kids will carry the virus back into the family home?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I doubt it. I reckon they'll bin the virus before they get home like they do when you make them a substandard sandwich for lunch.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hoops where the dumb come to hang out. God it's getting pathetic

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Anonymous  
Last month

Get real. Think about it for a second.

Schools and child care centers are open not because they're safe. They're open so parents, especially those in essential services, can work. The government is undertaking risk management with the pandemic, and at this stage they are willing wear the risk of infection and spread in schools and child care centers to keep vital parts of the economy and services going.

Government has had to chose between two bad options - 1) mass unemployment and essential services shutting down due to staffing shortages, or 2) infection spread from schools and day care. Right now they want to keep people working as much as possible. So, they'll run that risk.

But they're not going to expand that risk so kids can play community sport, which has no impact on whether or not parents can keep working.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Schools are open because research into both SARS and its cousin COVID 19 show that children are low risk to both contract it and spread it. It's the opposite of flu, which kids are highly susceptible to and high spreaders of.

The decision about kids' sport resuming won't be made around safety to kids, but the consideration of parents congregating to watch. One of the key recommendations will be social distancing of spectators.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Hate to burst your bubble OP, but NBL1 is not starting again this year.

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Anonymous  
Last month

That's not why schools and child care centres are open at all. Instead, that is part of what is factored in when managing the risk in keeping them open. They're open so parents can keep working.

Every other part of a child's life - visiting grandparents, play groups, sport, dance classes, playgrounds - are shut down. Why? Because they don't impact parents being able to work. If they did, they'd still be happening but with new risk management practises in place such as those that are now in place at schools and child care centres.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Let's be clear. Ar best only 2% of children are attending school. Play equipment Out of Bounds. Yes they can do kick to kick or 2 can throw a ball around and shoot.Hardly the same as 10 on a court with mum and dad on the side lines at 1.5 Mt's apart from other parents. Really get a grip.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#937 although a probability it's not a deadset guarantee there will be no NBL1. If restrictions ease there is a train of thought about a knockout competition or similar. So never say never.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The SA Health Spokesperson mentioned Last Monday they are wanting kids sport to start again soon so kids lives can get some normality back.
I would think in a month or two the kids will be lacing up the boots again.
Don't expect any Interstate Tournaments this year. Perhaps BSA can organize at least 1 round of Junior Winter season and maybe finish it off with a State Champs

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Let's be clear. Ar best only 2% of children are attending school"

Term 2 starts in WA next week and I bet the actual number is closer to 80% than 2%

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Anon  
Last month

2% lol will. Be closer to 80% for the start of term.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

Community sports need to reopen next month. I would also reopen the cafes and restaurants. There is at this point in time no community transmission of the virus in SA. The govt has been testing people for weeks now and tests are coming back negative. They have even ramped up testing on citizens who are showing no symptoms as well and are coming back with negative results. Look at all shops and business still trading and there is no transmission of the virus. Supermarket workers, transport workers, retail workers, takeaway shops, hairdressers, public servants, bus drivers, etc, etc all working in their thousands and are not contracting the virus and they have been working the entire time. The virus has been nowhere near any of the predictions or numbers of the govt scenarios, so the outcomes and restrictions should be changed to match the reality on the ground. The virus will never disappear, like all coronavirus that exist across the world, and we will get cases for years to come.
Just for some perspective. In 2017 their was over 1,200 deaths from the flu. 2019 we had a lot of cases but lower deaths at 500. You never read about any of that in the media or from the govt. So far from this covid-19 we have 79 deaths nationally with only 4 in SA and none under the age of 40 with an average age of death being 89. We have also have 38 road fatalities this year.
When flu is breaking out in July and August are we going to shut sports down? We know people are going to die from the flu, especially the elderly.

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Anonymous  
Last month

^ Okay Boomer

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Anonymous  
Last month

941, no, there will be no NBL1. You can wish it all you like, but it won't be happening. At best you might see some sort of modified and highly diluted State league.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Let's just get through the bulk of winter, where people’s immune systems are at there lowest; reassess after this,in the scheme of things it is short term pain long term gain, a hell a lot of players out there have dealt with not playing with long term injuries so for everyone we now have an idea about what missing the game is like, on a positive anyone rehabbing isn’t really missing much in the way of game time,the interesting thing to come out of this will be how much junior kids have improved there ball handling, been some great things shown on social media, but I think I will spew if I see another bloody tik tok video

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Anon  
Last month

Careful Rockstar being positive will make you stand out against the people who are all doom and gloom.

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Billy Bob  
Last month

The numbers aren't near the predictions, because of the measures in place......

Aliens don’t visit I’m sure, they check in on us and are probably like 'yeah na let’s just wait until the idiots wipe themselves out’

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Anonymous  
Last month

Trump got it sorted, we are drinking bleach or shoving light bulbs up our arse. Lmao. :::)))))

For those gullible don't try these remedies.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Victoria 2% you are correct. Nbl1 already cancelled all the wishful thinking in the world will not get a reversal on that.. Vjbl and Big V doubtful unless the clubs can come up with ideas. BV very quiet. Waiting waiting eating like the rest of us in Vic.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

The numbers aren't wrong because of the measures in place. The numbers are wrong because they were "predictions" as you correctly stated, and our governments made all their decisions based on these wrong "predictions" or scenarios.
I'm not disputing the measure's, I am saying we should now lift the restrictions starting in May, especially if it stays at zero or one new cases, as the testing is showing that the general public in SA does not have the virus. What are the numbers that you would say it is safe to resume? as you will never get it to zero cases. If we let them do it their way they will run us into the ground and destroy more lives than the virus has. By your logic we should just stay on restrictions forever, as this virus is going to be around for a long time just like all the other coronavirus strains in the world.

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Billy Bob  
Last month

Sixties I'm not going to say what number it should be at etc , as it’s nowhere near my area of expertise.
I’m going to leave that to the experts, the ones who have been calling the shots so far and saved a tonne of lives in this country.
Yeah the economic losses suck, there’s no avoiding that. But I have friends in nyc and one has lost several family members, so I’m happy myself, my family and others are ok and I would like to keep it that way.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Love to see the geniuses come out now, probably the same that said, oh the flu is worse, then, we're Australia, we'll be fine, then, it's a bit of an overreaction, to, fuck I need toilet paper.
Now they've gone back to sticking heads up arses and saying, let's go back to normal, not many cases about, they're testing everyone, it's all over, we survived. Bullshit. It takes one infected person to pass it onto 2, then they pass it onto another 2. Not sure if anyone has done the 1 cent and the chessboard riddle? Would you take 5 million dollars or put 1 cent(if we had them) in the first chessboard square and each day double it in every square. By the end the total is 18,446,744,073,709,551,615.
A lot of health professionals are saying the worst is to come. Mainly because idiots will go out and socialise again thinking it's all over.
We've been lucky generally, there's so much we don't know about this virus why risk it so you can get your smashed AV on toast at Cibos. Piss off to Sweden, their bright idea to keep everything open worked.

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Perthworld  
Last month

There is at this point in time no community transmission of the virus in SA.

Is this correct?

From health.gov.au:

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Anonymous  
Last month

That graph is total cases, not current cases.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

Thats right, no community transmission of the virus. That is from the government experts own definition, not mine. Read the chart. Blue from overseas. Yellow caught it from someone who caught it from overseas case. The green (7 cases) is an unknown cause although health experts believe they come from a known confirmed case.
We kept letting people in with the virus who passed it to others. We controlled the travel and the numbers started to drop. SA is down to approx 30-40 active cases and only 4 in hospital and getting virtually no new cases daily. 5 days of zero cases in the past week. Another day today of no new cases. The only other person to test positive this week recently returned from overseas. We will not get rid of this completely so how long do we go on with things closed. I'm not saying we start sport tomorrow, I'm talking next month. Another couple of weeks of nil cases leaves us where?
"At this point in time" there is no community transmission in SA. If we had community transmission the tests that are getting done would be positive and cases would keep going up, not down. Do you think people are all just sitting around home isolating everyday. There is hundreds of thousands of people working in the business community interacting with each other every day and have been so ever since this virus arrived and none of them are transmitting or getting the virus.

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Anonymous  
Last month

That is what we know of you Muppet. Our borders are hardly the Great Wall of China as well. Why not wait until there is more information on it. Strongly strongly doubt china is being truthful with what they know and the true casualties. And the known cases of transfer to animals, don't think Whiskers has been swabbed. Then there's the stories of reinfection. Hell, the great Richard Wilkins was still showing he has it yet no symptoms, because he's a celebrity (very minor) he got tested early, how many others are out there. Is it a time bomb, we just don't know.
I bet New York wish they were in our situation. Greatest health risk in generations and some want to go back to near normal. It may seem longer but it's only been weeks, no-one knows, or rather, no-one is saying what the potential risk is in the future.

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Anonymous  
Last month

#005

The federal government are pushing to go back to normal, they want school open and will start lifting restriction, both football codes looking to restart with in 4 weeks. It's not all doom and gloom, by all means though lock yourself up.

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koberulz  
Last month

Yeah, it needs to be a slow approach so we can jump on any further outbreak, but it's getting towards time to get things going again at least in some states. SA one case in a week, WA no cases in three or four days now.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"In 2017 their was over 1,200 deaths from the flu. 2019 we had a lot of cases but lower deaths at 500. You never read about any of that in the media"

In 2017-18, the USA had around 40 million confirmed flu cases and ~41,000 deaths. So far they have less than a million confirmed COVID-19 cases and over 50,000 deaths. If you want to know what would have happened without the measures the Australian governments have taken, look at the USA and UK experiences.

If our equipment and hospital capacity are not sufficiently prepared before restrictions are substantially lifted, the second wave will have the same impact. Go look at the recent media articles on the second wave impacts of Spanish Flu in the USA, and how they varied according the the length and rigour of restrictions each city implemented.


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Anonymous  
Last month

"WA no cases in three or four days now"
actually there were 2 new cases yesterday in WA

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Anonymous  
Last month

#006, the schools were never shut, and the football codes will probably be played in an isolated hub. Reason for schools being exempt is they want existing kids physically on the premises to allow essential staff to work.
Where has the government said they are pushing to go back to normal? They are looking at lifting some of the more stricter restrictions, one I saw that you can swim in sea but not congregate on beach, doesn't sound like ScoMo is saying it's over, away we go. With our quick action we are able to allow small things like that whilst other countries announce further weeks on lockdown.
I'm sure you watched Trump yesterday with relief when he reported you can inject antiseptic and doctors blast ultra violet light into the lungs because they have been effective in killing virus on surfaces. Leading manufacturers have had to come out today and warn consumers not to do that, Trump's come out and said he was being sarcastic. But by all means, listen to idiots like that floating solutions how to beat the spread.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Schools were never shut but parents kept their children at home, Morrison is now saying get your children back to school. You see the difference, probably not if you start quoting Trump. Morrison is now continually talking about slowing getting back to normal as are most countries, China already has, again most countries are staying alert for a second wave. By all means it's a personal choice what you do as an individual but I won’t be hiding under the bed.

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Anonymous  
Last month

"If you want to know what would have happened without the measures the Australian governments have taken, look at the USA and UK experiences."

This is a broad statement. Certainly the early moves the govt took to shut the borders, isolate returnees and trace and test contacts of confirmed patients were key, they limited community transmission and avoided the UK, US, Italy situations, which were caused by the virus spreading before any measures could be taken.

The degree to which latter measures taken in Australia have impacted is one that will be assessed and debated. Certainly the curve turned on the stage 1 and stage 2 restrictions, while the stage 3 measures may have led to a shorter tail on the spread, but the data suggests they weren't the key factors in Australia's success.

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Anon  
Last month

#003 the government lifting elective surgery restrictions shows they are not concerned about hospitals being overwhelmed now. This lifting shows they don't believe they will bees the beds not all the PPE. A fantastic position, this lift in restrictions will be followed by others, one a week to monitor the effects it has to active cases numbers. I would think community sport will be 3 or 4 lifting of restrictions away.

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Geoff  
Last month

Given crowds at NBL1, should be safe

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Anonymous  
Last month

Above, you sucked me in

Crowds in Vic were good.
Other States let's wait. Your cooment may be correct.

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Zero cases again today.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

The restrictions were strategies set at different levels depending on case numbers made up by governments and put in place because their experts were telling them that thousands of citizens were going to be flooding the hospitals and overwhelming them causing the health system to crash. As we know this did not happen. Just another of the experts failed predictions, just like 150,000 deaths. The restrictions are not their to get rid of the virus, they were designed to control the flow of patients into the hospitals so we could "flatten the curve". The hospitals have been empty in SA. Now they want to get them opened up as quick as they can to give the nurses and doctors something to do. Restrictions in the community should be lifted as our hospitals will be able to cope. The Wakefield Hospital was specifically opened up for Covid and didn't have any patients.

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koberulz  
Last month

"I went out in the rain with an umbrella, but I didn't even get wet so why did everyone say I needed to take an umbrella?"

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Anonymous  
Last month

Grapevine says some junior teams have started training already

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Which clubs is the grapevine taking about

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Anonymous  
Last month

"I went out in the rain with an umbrella, but I didn't even get wet so why did everyone say I needed to take an umbrella?"

There was a spider on the wall. I blew its brains out with a shotgun. Sure there's a hole in my wall, but at least the spider didn't kill me. ;-)

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Anonymous  
Last month

Wow, quoting China as getting back to normal, would rather trust Trump and his injecting antiseptic plan! Are you that stupid that you don't think they haven't been honest one bit? Of course they have track record of reporting everything that happens and they have no media bans or anything. To say they have only had thousands of deaths is bullshit, it would be in the hundreds of thousands if they were ground zero and the population departed Wuhan immediately when it first started, either planned or unplanned. How come they're locking down other cities? And we still don't know where it originated.
Experts are saying we don't know if the antibodies will prevent another case of the virus, maybe you won't be immune. But they need time before sending patients home.
England was specifically warned by Italy about the consequences, but the moronic prime Minister Boris went around bragging how he was shaking hand with Covid19 patients.
Your argument that hospitals are empty so it's been a lot of hype is idiotic. Ask New York what is been like, or London. Again, the British government were a week late in shutting it down then it spread everywhere. We were lucky we isolated early enough. If we are not on top of it then those hospitals will soon fill.
All the do gooders will crap on about another day of no cases, that because of the restrictions, lift them back to normal and we start from square one. Obviously we won't be this strict forever, but we are still just weeks into this. Why not wait for a while longer, get some solid facts on the matter, China sure as hell won't be doing that.

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Jacon  
Last month

Hospital s in the US get $11,000 from the government if they check the box that says they might have the Covid19 . They get $39,000 if they get put on a ventilator. 85% of those put on a ventilator have died. Hospital s are laying off nurses by the thousands. No more elective surgeries. Hospitals need the money. The numbers are wack. Two things in life. Love and fear. And it pisses me off that those who embrace fear have effectively killed off the world's economy because they are scared their old grandparents might die of the flu. Gates is pushing this because he wants mandatory vaccinations and the billions of dollars he stands to make because he knows it's much easier to bamboozle the ignorant masses than to convince them they were bamboozled.

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koberulz  
Last month

So you think the hundreds of thousands of deaths are all just made up then?

You are a fucking idiot.

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Mike  
Last month

If I'm running a hospital, and people are dying every day like people do, I'm checking the box that gets me an extra 11 grand. And telling my doctors that everyone needs to be ventilated. Hundreds of thousands die every year from the flu. Yet we don't wreck a world economy over it. On the upside, people like kobeulz will stay inside their mothers basement, way too scared to come outside. And that's a good thing. Fewer wankers outside the better.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

Why would you use an umbrella just because people told you to. Maybe you should poke your head out the door first and have a look at the weather and check if it's raining rather than following blindly.



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Isaac  
Last month

Gates is pushing this because he wants mandatory vaccinations and the billions of dollars he stands to make because he knows it's much easier to bamboozle the ignorant masses than to convince them they were bamboozled.
Gates donates money to health efforts.

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PlaymakerMo  
Last month

Oh Isaac, so naive.

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Isaac  
Last month

Why would you use an umbrella just because people told you to. Maybe you should poke your head out the door first and have a look at the weather and check if it's raining rather than following blindly.
sixtiesrockstar, weren't you pointing to provided data earlier to make a point? At some point you're going to rely on second-hand information. I'm guessing you've relied on a weather forecast at some point in your life.

Yes, a phased lifting of restrictions will happen but seem glacial in an era of 24 hour news. A blanket lifting of restrictions is likely too soon. I've said it over and over, but anything we do is going to seem like an overreaction when it's successful.

One way to look at government and corporate response here is that it is bi-partisan, not just locally but internationally, and largely against the interest of both. For all Trump's ranting, there are lockdowns of varying strength in the US. A political party can leverage disaster sure, but doesn't want increased unemployment and financial turmoil. Big corporations don't want financial turmoil. That governments of any sane format are pushing restrictions tells you that this is serious. They would be influenced by health panels but also face immense pressure from the usual lobbying groups. That tells me that the health info is strong and persuasive.

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Anon  
Last month

If things keep tracking how they are within a month stadiums will be back open and winter season commencing. How they manage the draw will be interesting. The grapevine has talk of Div 1 and 2 doubling up. Playing Friday and then again on Sunday instead of club training.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I love this grapevine everyone has access to.

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Barry  
Last month

"On the upside, people like kobeulz will stay inside their mothers basement, way too scared to come outside. And that's a good thing. Fewer wankers outside the better." ^5 Dr Kobe knows it all. basketball or Covid.

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Anonymous  
Last month

172 whom are these Junior team's already training that you speak of.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Teachers in nsw have been told another 3 weeks at least before school children are allowed back in as per normal. Morrison got no idea, the states have lead this and will continue to. After the schools open for a few weeks as per normal and if the virus stays under control things will start to move towards normality, at least minimum 6 weeks all going to plan.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

@Anon, playing Sundays as well. I'm not sure if the stats man works on Sundays.

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anon  
Last month

doubling up on Sundays wont work as many kids will be playing other sports ie Football making them choose will be a disaster...

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Alpha  
Last month

Lol, seems lots of failed science students on this forum.

Stating the government (health experts) lied to us by presenting flawed models is a mere reflection of lack of knowledge how the science (and statistics) works. If you really wanted to see whether the prediction was accurate we needed a control group ie the population was supposed to be split in two with one enjoying life as nothing was going on while the other part would go into the lock down. That would answer the question. I guess the government had a choice between turning us all into guinea pigs and confirm the validity of models or doing what they did.

The fact is there is plenty of studies based on observations including covid and school kids, lots of claims 'of no evidence' and so on. The real question is whether the governments want to take a risk in order to 'get this evidence', I guess not. They do however have powers to enforce their 'recommendations'.

Also the federal government has no jurisdiction over the schools so whatever the state governments decide will happen, Morrison can make suggestions and recommendations but can't make decisions.

The lockdowns work most of the time initially - at least that's what historical evidence suggests - how we get out of this is the real question - history showed that most of the time the outbreaks returned. My preference is by slowly easing the restrictions so we don't change behavior suddenly again and go back to square 1. I believe WA and SA will be the first to go this path.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

Not a disaster for the basketball kids.

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anon  
Last month

no... true but for the sport generally if kids at early age are forced to choose....

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Anonymous  
Last month

Thanks Alpha for keeping some common sense around here.

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Anonymous  
Last month

WA and Queensland are starting to ease restrictions first.

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Luuuc  
Last month

WA started relaxing things today, and I think QLD starts in a week, though at least in WA's case I think our relaxed measures just bring us into line with where SA already was (i.e. gatherings limited to 10 people)
WA's school term 2 starts on schedule tomorrow, though I believe some private schools are holding out on that.
Things certainly going well here so far anyway. Our last 9 days of cases have been 1, 0, 1, 0, 0, 2, 1, 0, 0.
I think it makes sense from here to start easing things off in steps, starting with the lowest-risk steps.
Community sport - kids' sport especially - seems to me like the next logical cab off the rank.

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koberulz  
Last month

If I'm running a hospital, and people are dying every day like people do, I'm checking the box that gets me an extra 11 grand.
Okay, fine. Let's completely ignore all reporting about COVID-19, because those numbers can be wrong. Let's instead look at the average number of deaths per year, and compare deaths in the past couple of months to deaths, on average, the same time of year historically. This is all deaths, no matter the cause. If COVID-19 is made up, we should see this year's data roughly matching previous years'.

Here's a few countries to start off with:


Data from some specific cities:


But maybe lockdowns are somehow causing thousands of deaths on their own, right? So we should see, for example, the whole of the UK suddenly get a massive spike in deaths roughly equally, instead of it being focused in areas hit harder by COVID-19:


Oops.

It's also worth noting that these spikes are far, far higher than the reported COVID-19 deaths. England & Wales have 47% more excess deaths than reported COVID-19 deaths. Sweden 40%. Spain 33%. Globally excess deaths exceed reported COVID-19 deaths by 52%.

This isn't being overreported so hospitals can claim government money. It's being dramatically underreported because there are too many cases to keep track of.

Source

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Anonymous  
Last month

"Teachers in nsw have been told another 3 weeks at least before school children are allowed back in as per normal. Morrison got no idea."

The fed govt is asking for a return to school by the end of May, which is 5 weeks away.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Morrison on tv yesterday said there is no reason not to send them now, the states are bucking the system.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The fed govt has been pretty clear, they want a staged return. Lots of people like to suggest splits in the national cabinet but the reality on the ground is they've all sung from very similar hymn sheets.

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Geoff  
Last month

Hope the basketball associations and governing bodies are working hard on the logistics of getting back. Basic things like making sure they have enough cleaning supplies and cleaners, thinking hard about fixturing and spacing, considering using every second court, limiting spectators, contactless payment rather than cash, thinking about how they might chang the way people flow into courts and areas ... and increasing prices to cover this which we will all need to accept to get back. All basic practical stuff that can be done with enough thought. Good businesses are thinking about all these things, and the ones that have a strong plan will get back the most successfully.

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Anonymous  
Last month

How would using every second court help? Even having players sit on every second seat is stupid if they're about to physically touch someone on court. And will high 5s be banned? If they proceed I can only see spectators from different households sitting apart and leaving immediately after game.

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Geoff  
Last month

Just less people in the stadium, and more spaced out. Not rocket science.

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Billy Bob  
Last month

A lot of associations would struggle not receiving cash. It means they would have declare a lot more than they do!

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Anon  
Last month

One issue they would need to address is the amount of people in a venue. Limiting the time the players for the next game are allowed to enter the stadium would help as would limiting it to one parent/ guardian.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Agreed, less people in stadium, but why not make it only 1 court per stadium then, the whole 4 metres square per person. Empty court won't solve anything, courts being used will be same concentration depending on layout. If seating is back to back then usual social distancing applies. But will everything be wiped down and cleaned between games?
Rethinking I agree, but depends on layout to be honest.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Junior teams have not started training.

Anyone saying otherwise is talking absolute crap.

Also fwiw, Scomo clarified his community sports comments yesterday by adding that he is talking about outdoor sports initially, as indoor sports create more issues. Make of that what you will.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Saw that YMCA have started programs for troubled youth at a few of their venues, St Clair, JMC etc. Max of 30 kids, deemed that they are low risk. Was on during school holidays apparently but have seen opening times for JMC for Friday and weekends now.

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Anonymous  
Last month

not sure about others but are kids doing PE classes at school yet? at end of last time seemed PE classes were all theory, and in our cases they took the balls away for lunch and recess...seems like this is big first step particularly outdoor wise, seems like footy, netball, soccer, tennis etc all might be way ahead of basketball in terms of restarting

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Hoopie  
Last month

Kr, nice analysis, and thanks for that.

You said "This isn't being overreported so hospitals can claim government money. It's being dramatically underreported because there are too many cases to keep track of."

I'd also add that I think the published totals are becoming politicised - some countries are probably under-reporting to keep up morale, to look more effective than they are (and to cover up their poor responses), or to 'justify’ political decisions made about relaxing restrictions for the sake of the economy or to maintain their voter support. (Trump stands out in that regard).

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Hoopie  
Last month

Once sports start up again, I wonder how many coaches / managers / refs / etc will be forced to make the decision between protecting their health by staying away, or risking their health because they're needed or are paid to do so.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Just wait for the second wave when restrictions lessen!!!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Revealing latest testing results on Monday, the state's top public health doctor said authorities were investigating what restrictions would be lifted in tranches but warned of creating a possible second wave of cases.

SA’s chief public health officer Professor Nicola Spurrier said she was studying how to ease restrictions on specific activities and "messaging" such as rules on gathering numbers
"It is certainly something we have been looking at very, very carefully,” Prof Spurrier said. “We just have to very mindful that we do it in a very sensible, graduated way.”

“There are range of things, for example, we have been very clear for people to not be travelling from their immediate area. It will be timely to look at the safety of travelling to regional areas.

“There are other things, in terms of sport. We would like to see ... school sport starting up again. We have got restriction laws about the size of funerals and the size of weddings.

“So all of these things need to be looked at in terms of safety and the risk to public health.

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Anonymous  
Last month

261, no. PE lessons are still not happening in schools.

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Isaac  
Last month

not sure about others but are kids doing PE classes at school yet?
My 7yo reported doing PE yesterday, though sounded like a game of running around avoiding each other rather than contact ball sports.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Isaac, that sounds like a trip to Coles a couple of weeks ago as opposed to a PE lesson!

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Triton 26  
Last month

A couple of points to share;
1. ScoMo's kids have not been at school for a LONG time. They were both 'sick' for two weeks early on in the infection cycle, then they stayed home the last week of school and then holidays. They are both not back at school this term. ScoMo blames the school for this, but it is clearly a decision his family has made. His insistence that everyone returns to school is exceptionally hypocritical.
2. ScoMo has consistently been claiming to be following the experts advice that schools are safe, but I know for a fact that the viral expert that advises the Health and Education minister has consistently told them to shut schools and keep them closed. ScoMo has gone against advice. The claim that children don't spread the virus etc... is utter BS. There is very, very limited evidence of this and and equal amount that suggests otherwise. ScoMo is plucking the evidence he wants to support his own decision.
The viral expert has agreed that with the low levels of infections in SA, it is looking much better than previously, but is still concerned of further spikes.
3. Given how low the new infections have been in SA, I would think that if we can lock our borders, we could maybe return to normality. Could this involve junior basketball returning? With a small amount of thought it would be possible. You could just have players, coaches (2 max), team manager and players only. No other spectators. If schools are low risk, then this would have to be very low risk as well.

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UseTaHoop  
Last month

Triton26

Your first 2 points debunk the "schools are safe" line. Your final point relies on the “schools are safe” line being true.

There os an element of risk. It's all about risk management.

We could eliminate almost all risk by shutting down further, run big risks by opening completely, or manage situation with control measures.

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Triton 26  
Last month

UseTaHoop you are 100% correct.

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Isaac  
Last month

I imagine you have to appreciate that they're trying to straddle the fence on schools. Ideally you'd shut schools, but you can't even imply that and incite panic or you reduce the essential workforce plus kill WFH productivity. In SA's public system at least, it was left to parents - if you could manage it, you could take your kids out. I think in SA sending your kids back now is a justifiable decision; further, it's happening in a climate of more cleaning, more awareness, etc.

There'd be added pressure from teachers in a few directions - not wanting to be exposed unnecessarily but also not wanting to have to try teaching in-class while managing oversight of an online curriculum while copping criticism for being spread thin. My kids' school set up to offer online learning and then starting term two, said it would be available in brief but without dedicated support as the state-level advice was to be in school.

Think I've said it already, but we're discussing and following all this at full speed while the restrictions are phased out more slowly. In hindsight, some of these local decisions will be blips in history. I can see some strategic phasing back in of junior sport with very limited crowds.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last month

Schools need to be open as business is still operating with lots of parents working. Since the start of this thing nothing has changed for the hundreds and thousands of workers who go to work and can't look after their children. It's not just frontline workers, it's all workers who need the schools open.

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Anonymous  
Last month

There's been a couple of passing the virus on at schools when the outbreak first started, one I think from teacher who had returned from overseas. Obviously we're a lot wiser in hindsight in terms of isolating those that had returned. But what would the consensus be if there had been a tragedy where a child had died as a result. Or even if it had been then transferred to a person in the household. Lots of its and buts there, but if there had been a single fatality due to a school being open I don't think there would be a debate. Purely comes down to economic and medical needs. No way the economy survives with a large chunk of the population staying home to look and educate their children. I personally know of some families having 12 year olds stay at home to look after younger siblings because parents, especially single parent households can't afford to take time off yet theyre scared to send children to schools.
I'm predominantly worried that people will become lax now with a week of no new cases that unsafe habits will begin, especially if border restrictions go etc. Channel surfing tonight and was on the Project that NSW is allowing 2 people to visit individuals, intention to visit isolated individuals but feelings were it's a case of popping around with a few bottles of wine to celebrate surviving the apocalypse.
Also waiting for the fallout of the whole thing, China and absolutely everything they did, governments being way to slow to deal with shutting borders despite warnings, heads should roll. Never thought it would be possible but a politician has topped Trump for dumbest pollie, good old Boris. His inaction and denial caused thousands of deaths, nearly his own. And he beats a guy recommending injecting antiseptic!!!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Issac - 12 year old said they played soccer on Tuesday in PE - and were told they couldn't touch ball with hands, theory today as they couldn’t do an outside activity due to rain

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Anonymous  
Last month

School basketball to start in week 3 for Open A and Bs.

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Anon  
Last month

In SA , 361??

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yep, a school team was told last night. Don't know about other sports.

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Anonymous  
Last month

361, I can guarantee you that is fake news. Can absolutely confirm that.

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Anonymous  
Last month

408, Came from the teachers/coaches mouth in a weekly groupchat that it was definitely happening, so will see who's right then.

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Anonymous  
Last month

408, Came from the teachers/coaches mouth in a weekly groupchat that it was definitely happening, so will see who's right then. I was surprised as well, not sure where he got it from.

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Anonymous  
Last month

411/412, we will see.
I can guarantee it's not happening.

Not doubting that you were told that, but the person who told you is wrong. Plain and simple.

I'd like it to get up and running as much as everyone else, but right now we can't. Don't expect any basketball until at least the second half of this term at the earliest.

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Anon  
Earlier this month

Might need to have shorter or no benches - Gov indicating they will allow sports with less than 10 players. I'd be pushing fitness while in iso ...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

this is was in the press this arvo, guidelines will be interesting to see

Community sport is also expected to restart in groups of less than 10 people in non-contact activities.

New guidelines on sport, agreed by the national cabinet today, say the resumption of sport should also include outdoor activities such as outdoor boot camps, golf, fishing, bushwalking and swimming.

It will be up to individual states and territories to determine when this can happen, based on local issues with the coronavirus.

Professional sporting codes will be required to seek permission from relevant state and territory health authorities to start training and matches.

The guidelines say that whole teams could need to be quarantined if a positive COVID-19 case is identified at a club once training has resumed.

"Significantly enhanced risk mitigation" such as social distancing will be needed for all indoor activities involving sport, including in change rooms, training facilities and gyms.

More specific principles for individual sports will be released this afternoon after being developed with the Australian Institute of Sport.

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Anon  
Earlier this month

The Australian Institute of Sport Executive Summary here: https://ais.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/730374/35845_AIS-Framework-for-Rebooting-Sport-Summary.pdf makes interesting reading.

Or the full FRAMEWORK FOR REBOOTING SPORT IN A COVID-19 ENVIRONMENT is here: https://ais.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/730376/35845_AIS-Framework-for-rebooting-sport_FA.pdf

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