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Hawks "collapsed"

ABC just announced that the Hawks have formally "collapsed" owing over $2M.

Ironically, the NBL website features the NBL's "highest scoring game in NBL history" featuring the Hawks.

RIP the last remaining foundation club? Or will there be a Lazarus moment?

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They will rise again from the ashes like...

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Hendo8888  
Last week

Struggling to see how that is ironic

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Perthworld  
Last week

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-18/illawarra-hawks-liquidated-nbl-players-owed-thousands/12259544

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Isaac  
Last week

It also revealed staff and players who had been stood down since April were owed about $750,000.

The NBL currently owns the franchise licence after taking it back from former owner Simon Stratford, and it has committed to paying outstanding player salaries.

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Anonymous  
Last week

So why didn't they sell it to Melo for $1.00 when they could?

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Anonymous  
Last week

Pissweak effort by the people of the Gong. Their crowds were awful. Have the number 1 NBA draft pick and still failed to turn up. Wind em up. It's done.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Have a potential number 1 NBA draft pick and still failed to turn up. Wind em up. It's done.

Edited for accuracy.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Hawks will never be stable until they move from the WEC. It's too expensive to rent. Subpar facilities. Absolutely no parking (legit not a single car park allocated) and falling apart.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Hawks have a new local owner business man ready to step in, with Ball but the nbl asking exhorbitant money for the license. There are no winners here. Past five seasons of glory days could be over.

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Isaac  
Last week

So why didn't they sell it to Melo for $1.00 when they could?
Because I doubt he would've picked up the $2m tab, and then, if the NBL is covering the player salaries, I doubt they want everything just given away for nothing.

I also suspect the offer or potential management was all a bit flakier than you'd want given the incumbents failed and any future drama reflects directly on the league/teams.

If the $2m is obliterated regardless and they just had a near-breakeven season, LK might as well hold it himself. Of course, that near-breakeven likely leans heavily on whatever they got from Melo/etc.

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LoveBroker  
Last week

The article above quotes the Corona Virus as a cause of the Hawks' demise.

I believe a retraction and an apology is owed to the Corona Virus.

The Hawks were complete trash years before that person in the PRC put that Bat into his bowl. They lost almost $2m in the last 3 seasons, they can't do something as fundamental as paying staff. Even the Cairns Taipans could do that.

I'd like to say I feel sorry for some associates of the Hawks but I can't.

The ownership is to blame.
The Management is to blame.
The coach is to blame.
The Players are to blame for taking actual money for what they produced.
The Hawks supporters are to blame.
Even the local Wollongong roofer can't do a fundamental job like keeping water from getting onto the court.

I can't even feel sorry for the NBL because this is good for the NBL to have this dead weight excised.

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KET  
Last week

Savvy way for NBL to sell the licence to a group who won't be saddled with $2m in debt?

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Anonymous  
Last week

You need new drugs lovebroker, the hawks will be fine just need an owner with a plan.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Hey Lovebroker, maybe try having an anger thrap before logging on. Clears the mind for most....I'm sure you've got a station set up in the basement with posters of Pinochet, Abbott and co. covering the walls. Just do evereyone a favour and get one away before hitting the keys.

Unless angry is simply your default setting...

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Anonymous  
Last week

Trash management.
Trash club.
Trash players.
Trash city.
Trash, repetitive comments.

Trash posts by a trash human being.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Serious question - would you say this season just passed that each club ran at a profit sans Illawarra?

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LoveBroker  
Last week

You need new drugs lovebroker, the hawks will be fine just need an owner with a plan.


Even if the Hawks did a Phoenix and rose immediately from Ashes as the Hawks again, culturally this organisation fails.

Fans don't support the club, they haven't when they were in the GF and they haven't when they had the future #1 draft pick. To be fair it is partially understandable when you consider the trash product the team has placed on the court in the last few years.

Jordair Jett.
Cedric Jackson.
Billy Preston.
Darrington Hobson.
Josh Boone.

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KET  
Last week

LB, how much better do you reckon the 36ers are done?

They've gone through many an owner since BSA sold the 36ers. From Hemmerling/Groves to various iterations of SOS to GK + (silent partner?). They perpetually lose money.

Crowds are decent for a city with a million or so, however I think you'll find many free tix are given away.

Sponsors? 36ers have lacked a genuine naming rights sponsor since Pura Milk. Most have just been sponsors that are broader NBL sponsors LK brought in.

Decent squad? Last two years haven't really been far better than the Hawks. Year before that got knocked out BY the Hawks.

Aside from DJ, when Teys is your consistent guy you depend on, you're in trouble. This year, they are reliant by the looks of it on a bunch of Teys quality blokes.

Hard to be throwing stones when the 36ers are a glass house!



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Anonymous  
Last week

Time to move on from the hawks. They've been a pain in the ass to hear about for ages. Them and the crocs didn’t have the money, keep the league to major cities.

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Anonymous  
Last week

LB, you really should seek professional help. Your pure hatred of the Hawks is not healthy, and often deluded.

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KET  
Last week

What would be the best way for a league to financially exist?

VIC: Melbourne (Tigers)
VIC: South-East Melbourne (Phoenix)
VIC: North Melbourne/Victoria
NSW: Sydney (Kings)
QLD: Brisbane (Bullets)
TAS: Tasmania
SA: Adelaide (36ers)
WA: Perth (Wildcats)
NZ: Auckland-based (Breakers)
NZ: Wellington based

10 team league, each state represented, take advantage of strong Victorian basketball base, give NZ a good local rivalry.

Top 3 guaranteed to go to Semi Finals, 4th v 5th play in an Elimination first, then it's best of 3 game Semi Finals 1st v Winner of E1, 2nd v 3rd, then best of 5 game Finals for the winners of the two Semi Finals, best record hosts the extra game in each series.

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Anonymous  
Last week

I will worry about the health of the league as long as our biggest populated state can only support 1 team

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Anonymous  
Last week

ever team needs a rival team so bring back the hogs

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LoveBroker  
Last week

LB, how much better do you reckon the 36ers are done?


I don't access access to the books so I cannot give specifics, we could have bled the same or more amount of money than the Hawks but I don't have that info , nor data on what tickets were gifted /discounted / fully paid.

- But we have not gone in to VA twice in several years.
- True that we have not been in the playoffs in the last 2 years (one of those we missed out by percentages). Hawks would have been Spooners twice in 2 years if not for Cairns.
- The Sixers actually try to win, Hawks don't even try. Campbell is on record saying they're primary goal is to develop young talent, not winning. We will try to put a competitive squad out there.

2 years ago we knew we made a mistake with Deleon, we proactively changed the squad and get the previous year MVP runner up. It didn't work, but at least we can give the Sixers credit for trying. The Hawks just DGAF, Brooks went down they didn't even try to replace him all the while taking the league equalisation payments to lift them to the floor. when they finally did take action it was to bring two of the worst imports the league has ever seen since Christophersen.

- We saw an opportunity to improve the game day experience for fans and a greater potential for revenue by moving venues. We took that gamble and it looked promising last year with increases attendance. The Hawks play in a venue that is equally wet inside as outside when it rains.

This is what separates us from them.

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Isaac  
Last week

NBL:

The NBL is committed to the Hawks remaining in the league and we are continuing talk to a number of interested parties to find the next owners of the club.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Yes and joke that LK and the NBL are, they want to milk $10mill for the Hawks licence + there is still $2mill owing. Good luck with that!

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Anonymous  
Last week

Incredible to think that a club that cannot compete fiscally with almost every other club in the competition would place a focus on signing young talent to long contracts in the hope of developing them for future success. Absolute madness!

Standard tripe from the tool shed. Then again, if you refer to yourself as Lovebroker, what should we expect.

So much uneduacted hate for one person. Sad.

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KET  
Last week

+ there is still $2mill owing

No, that's why they go into liq, that debt becomes separate from the NBL licence

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Perthworld  
Last week

How many liquidations has it been now? You wouldn't think there would be too many local suppliers left willing to transact with the club.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Now now KET, don't confuse him with facts.

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Anonymous  
Last week

So it's gone from we lost only $100,000 to we lost $2mill? How did the NBL allow this?

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Anonymous  
Last week

I must admit, I'm getting pretty sick of the hawks and their shit off season performance. Nostalgia is nice but I’m ready to see them in the rear view mirror.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Get out of the Gong! Worst fans of any team. Don't even show up. Don’t deserve a team

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Anonymous  
Last week

Yep, time to put up white flag and say it's over. How many times have they been in this scenario.
Current and post Covid19 it's going to be hard to even sustain the league let alone the poor cousin Hawks.

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Mark  
Last week

Why don't everyone just admit that the league can’t sustain all these clubs.
2 now gone in the last 10 years
Whats the point in trying to expand in Tasmania

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Anonymous  
Last week

That's it in a nutshell, sustainability. Apart from Perth, all really have fickle fan bases which will take a bigger hit with economic downturn. Why were payrolls so big that created financial instability. Argument includes keeping best home grown talent here. As we're finding now like Kay, they'll be off to Europe. Clubs keep trying to outspend others to buy titles. Was great to see Cairns in finals proving getting in young affordable talent. Look at major league baseball, Yankees and Red Sox are always spending big but not always winning it all. They're propped up by TV and other forms of income, but smaller teams have to find alternate ways of competing. But NBL teams just throw money around and just think it's going to be ok, league will bail us out because they can't do without out. Without LK the league would be done. The upcoming year will might finally get through to teams to tread carefully, otherwise they'll be in same position as Hawks. Have no idea how Tasmania are doing in this crisis but to come in this season they need to have everything setup. If their are no crowds either because of social distancing or the public not having the disposable income then they are stuffed before ball has been thrown up. As with all teams, plan for and expect the worst case scenario. If a club can't afford to spend $300k on a top import, don't. Plenty of players out there that are more affordable. Can't sign Goulding to big contract, don't, hardly going to be bringing in crowds if their are none. Maybe we can't brag we've got best league outside of nba, but we will have a league.
RIP Hawks,hopefully it won't be RIP NBL!

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Lovebroker  
Last week

Incredible to think that a club that cannot compete fiscally with almost every other club in the competition would place a focus on signing young talent to long contracts in the hope of developing them for future success. Absolute madness!


There are already programs for developing basketball excellence in place, why do you need an NBL licence to do that?

They are in a National Basketball competition, they are supposed to try to win, not intentionally be trash.

I am not the only one to take axception to that statement by Campbell, after that interview Andrew Gaze also disagreed with it nicely.

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koberulz  
Last week

Yes, the entire concept upon which the Wildcats and Breakers built their programs is clearly flawed.

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Trashbroker  
Last week

Season 20/21 not looking good for nbl in general.

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proud  
Last week

Ok so we all know that the Wollongong Entertainment Centre is the biggest piece of shit known in Australia and the fans don't want to go to it (sounds like Townsville doesn't it) but is there absolutely any chance whatsoever that LK can develop some land in the Illawarra and build an NBL standard stadium and some shops or hotels like he will be doing in Tasmania?

Could that have made a difference in Townsville?

Would NSW/federal government put their money into it?

Would the Hawkheads even show up with a modern stadium ?

Could LK do the NBA thing (Seattle lost its team because NBA didn't deem there to be enough income sources around Key Arena) within the NBL and build more NBL standard stadiums with other income sources for other teams or will Tasmania be a complete one off?

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KET  
Last week

Out of curiosity, does anyone here think a second NSW team is viable?

NSW are notoriously bad at supporting their sport clubs.

Sydney and Melbourne are two completely different kettle of fish when it comes to viability of clubs.

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Anonymous  
Last week

There is a difference between losing $100,000 and owing $2,000,000

LK out here thinking that people will pay big money for an NBL licence when a number of owners would take $1 to get out

The bottom line is that the NBL doesn't generate enough money as a league or as individual teams to justify paying players over $100,000 in salary.

Before the Perth fans say we do , you have a philanthropic billionaire as an owner who underwrites the costs. That in itself is not indeprendently sustainable and reliant on Jack's commitment, it could all change tomorrow.

Its not an uncommon problem in sports as NRL and AFL teams struggle to and are reliant on their parent entities to assist.

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Anonymous  
Last week

"Yes, the entire concept upon which the Wildcats and Breakers built their programs is clearly flawed"
You are an idiot Koberules if you belive that to be true.

I believe this to be the truth as very well stated above.
"you have a philanthropic billionaire as an owner who underwrites the costs. That in itself is not indeprendently sustainable and reliant on Jack's commitment, it could all change tomorrow." You have 10,000 lemming all paid up and no NBL.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Lemmings? Yeah, blame the fans who actually want their team to succeed. Idiot.

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Anonymous  
Last week

If Kestleman finds someone willing to pay for the Hawks' licence, do any of the Hawks' debts get paid from the proceeds of the licence's sale?

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Anonymous  
Last week

Once Bendant got involved they have always paid way above market value for players to win.
Kestleman trying to obtain $10mill. for a licence that isn't even worth $1 shows exactly what he is all about. The Money.

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Anonymous  
Last week

""A total of eight players started receiving the first instalments of their remaining salary and superannuation entitlements last month and all payments will be met in full," the NBL said via statement last week."

How is this even possible under the governance of the NBL?

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Isaac  
Last week

NBL:

"As we announced when the club was put into voluntary administration, the NBL is in discussions with a number of interested parties and we are well progressed towards finding the next owners of the franchise."

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Anonymous  
Last week

Buying the Hawks is like buying a car with rust and bald tyres or a house with a leaking roof.

Hope to see Hawks survive but buyer beware .

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KET  
Last week

The NBL have been very good at putting out statements when things occur or rumours rumble. Props to them - previous administrations wouldn't have been this competent.

This must be the like the fourth Hawks related statement they’d be getting close to tired emphasising the same thing so they’ve kept it short and sharp.

It’s clear they’re pushing for Hawks to be in next season and it’s apparent there is interested buyers, the liquidation process doesn’t stop that.

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Anonymous  
Last week

"Buying the Hawks is like buying a car with rust and bald tyres or a house with a leaking roof."

Does NBL want a buyer for the team/club or for the licence only, though?

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Anonymous  
Last week

This was always on the cards!

ITs over fort he Hawks and the COVID Pandemic put the nail in the coffin.

A strong bid came from those associated with another NBL team but this was knocked on the head by the League office so now they have another licence to sell..say hello to the new NZ team

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Haz  
Last week

In my opinion, best case scenario: Hawks find a well suited buyer, the franchise is rejuvinated and the club starts to grow and be viable and have success.

Medium case scenario: Hawks find a buyer, continue to play to ensure theres at least 9 teams in the comp and its up to the people of Wollongong to come out and support the team - eg similar struggle to how its been.

Scenario i can live with: Hawks get wound up and the league moves on without them (hate seeing any club fold, but i really dont feel sorry for them). End of the day the care factor in Wollongong is pretty low.

Worst case scenario: NBL owns the club, they continue to play, but the club is worse off / neglected, and the league doesnt doesnt benefit at all, Hawks eventually fold in a few years, only prolonging the inevitable.

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Anonymous  
Last week

The hawks have had suitors but nbl played games with those potential owners and blocked the sale.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Played games with?

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Anonymous  
Last week

Originally there was a 50/50 deal done with Ball and a local investor. The NBL said no. The NBL then tried to get a 51% Ball ownership and 49% new investor of their own and the Ball group said no.
LK still wanting $10 mill for the licence FFS. Not sure where it is at now.

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Anonymous  
Last week

why did they block the sale?

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Big Ads  
Last week

Curious to know from Sydney members whether the Hawks disappearing from the landscape makes their packages less appealing?

It was my understanding there is a strong rivalry between the teams which helps the Kings attract members more so than perhaps teams from another state/country (other than perhaps Melbourne).

I think the NBL needs the Kings to be as strong as possible to maintain media interest.

Unlike Townsville, I wonder whether the NBL considers Sydney's viability being eroded if Illawarra drop out of the competition, which is why the League won't let it happen (if it can).

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Anonymous  
Last week

Just go with 8 team comp for 2020/21.
It will be tarnished by coronavirus anyway.

Give Hawks time to get their shit together for the 2021/22 Season. If they can.

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LoveBroker  
Last week

In my opinion, best case scenario: Hawks find a well suited buyer, the franchise is rejuvinated and the club starts to grow and be viable and have success.


I would be happy for the Hawks to be revived and become successful, however we have seen this too many times.

Other than the 2 years they got to the GF, they just don't put together an attractive package on the floor. The other times the product on the floor is pure trash, even last year having the best rookie we've ever seen in the NBL gifted to them, they still find a way to F it up.

Even when they were winning their fans did not support them, the WEC should have been full the years they had Rotnei Clarke (MVP) and this year with Ball.

Even Sydney and Perth know that they must leverage off their MVPs to promote the team.

Based on previous evidence, I believe the Hawks are just delaying the inevitable if they were to revive. Sure a new owner could reinvigorate the supporter base, but after a season or two they will revert back to not caring.



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KET  
Last week

Kings v Hawks rivalry is a thing??

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Anonymous  
Last week

Kings did there best to save them but were blocked at every stage by you know who

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Anonymous  
Last week

Smith was happy to chuck in 25% but nbl said no, only one owner per team. There is local owner waiting with support of the Balls 25%, nba guys like to own basketball teams but not even most them can afford the nba. At present I believe that contracts have been signed on new ownership but licence price is a sticking point.
Hawks are worth nothing so not certain anyone would buy a license.

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Big Ads  
Last week

According to the Kings and Hawks websites, yes, traditional arch rivals in fact. For example:

"A couple of notable dates to lock in your diary are, Sunday December 16 and Saturday January 5 when the Hawks will take on traditional arch rivals The Sydney Kings and NBA Star Andrew Bogut at Win Entertainment Centre"

- https://www.hawks.com.au/news/article/hawks-to-host-reigning-champions-in-blockbuster-opening-to-nbl-season




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LoveBroker  
Last week

Curious to know from Sydney members whether the Hawks disappearing from the landscape makes their packages less appealing?


I think so, its not right to go a season without a someone pouring beer on a Sydney King Import.

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LoveBroker  
Last week

Does the rivalry come from Sydney Kings pinching Illawarra players? Eg.
Saville.
Justin Withers.
Hubbard (Greg I think).

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Anonymous  
Last week

Tory Lavell and Lamello Ball on Twitter. All up nbl now.

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KET  
Last week

Doesn't really feel like a rivalry tbh

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Anonymous  
Last week

Hawks-Kings has always been huge until recently with the slow demise of the former.

I'm surprised at the questions about it - how long have you been following NBL for?

When Hawks were still relevant there was even a fight between fans outside the stadium in Wollongong (mid 2000s).

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Perthworld  
Last week

Hawks-Kings has always been huge until recently with the slow demise of the former.

I'm surprised at the questions about it - how long have you been following NBL for?

When Hawks were still relevant there was even a fight between fans outside the stadium in Wollongong (mid 2000s).

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Perthworld  
Last week

Actually the rivalry simmered down with the Kings demise due to Firepower. So those years in the wilderness didn't help matters.

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KET  
Last week

Probably followed the NBL around 1997ish.

Just never had that feeling, but then again never frequented Sydney until the last 3-4 years.

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Perthworld  
Last week

Just thinking back and the '05 GF between the two was huge as an already bitter rivalry faced off in a final with traveling fans and the media behind it although it failed to live up to the hype as SYD won 3-0. Such a shame recollecting on the rivalry and how it's fallen. Didn't realise until the thread how it's declined into an after thought. The epic 3-2 between SYD and WSR the year before also. NSW pro basketball's peak. Sad the state of affairs now.

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KET  
Last week

Sport in NSW generally is going downhill fast.

NRL has crap attendances
RU is basically dead
Swans average what 35k?
Kings are doing better now than ever really, but they haven't compared to Melbourne or Perth over the last decade or two
A-League crowds I suppose they do ok

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Anonymous  
Last week

A league has been crap except for the derby, swans closer to 30,000. Sydney's transport infrastructure is poor. WEC has no parking, not close to public transport .

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Anonymous  
Last week

How many attending swans games are ex pat vics or south Australians who just want to go to live game and maybe adopt swans as second team.
What is it with the low attendances? NRL is low compared to afl, yet State of origin show the passion of fans. West Australia has much smaller population yet crowds are always high, lack of alternatives?

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Anonymous  
Last week

People only go to "events" in NSW hence state of origin is huge.

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Haz  
Last week

"A-League crowds I suppose they do ok"

A-League crowds in Sydney and nationwide are "trash" (nod to Lovebroker) when you factor in how much media attention they get and the money they recieve from Fox Sports to prop them up.

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Anonymous  
Last week

A League gets money because the Socceroos and the WC are packaged into it

NBL has no hero events like that to attach itself to

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Jack Toft  
Last week

"Sport in NSW generally is going downhill fast."

Yep, the average mortgage in Sydney is about $800K, so there's not much left for fun. Slave, slave, slave. Wake up before dawn, get on a tollway, breckie at Maccas, park in a car park, work in a cubicle pushing papers or cutting code for 10 to 12 hours, then drive home, sleep, repeat....

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Anonymous  
Last week

NBL Sydney had one "Event" last year and that was the Lamelo game where they drew 17,000.

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KET  
Last week

I think west Sydney wanderers do ok.

Agreed Aleague is going downhill nationwide generally.

Haha Jack Toft, the daily grind in Sydney and sheer costs is reason enough to avoid living there!

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Anonymous  
Last week

West wanderers have struggled for crowds since they have been losing. Sydney is one of the most expensive towns in the world to live in, Jack ain't far away from the truth, tollways getting across Sydney are also very expensive.

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Perthworld  
Last week

Why would you live there, what a ripoff. I know someone Sydney born and raised in an inner city box with a $1mil+ loan. How depressing.

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D2.0  
Last week

I hate to see regional teams leave, especially a foundation team like the Hawks.

But let's be realistic. Such teams must engage their communities and pull crowds. The Hawks haven't done that for years.
And you can't blame in on the venue.

It's always going to be tough for these teams, and the only solution is massive community spirit.
It really doesn't matter what the rest of us think. The people of Wollongong needed to get out and support their team, and they just haven't.

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Anonymous  
Last week

TV doesn't care about 17,000 people at an event

They care about how many hundreds of thousands that will watch a major tournament

Boomers don’t get the media support or the eyeballs that Socceroos do

Soccer has been very smart by separating the WC and Olympics. Basketball hasn’t and can’t realise any commercial value like soccer.

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KET  
Last week

Soccer is in the Olympics just as under 23?

Basketball has its own World Cup.

The value factor is the Olympic gold medal - the best players stay in for the Olympics they don't for the World Cup

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Anonymous  
Last week

The discussion was around crowd attendances to sport in NSW #064. And TV does care about attendances as you only have to look at the re-boot of the AFL where they are going to use simulated crowd noises.

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KET  
Last week

I agree it affects the television product - AFL to an empty stadium is far less enjoyable to watch on TV than a packed stadium.

When it comes to soccer...I mean most games are boring for 90% of the time, if you take a crowd away I'm not sure it even really matters!

That sounds harsh, but I think with soccer you need to really really really be invested in your club to get that entertainment factor, where you are on edge every moment. I was that way with the 2006 WC because it had the makings of a dream run.

I could watch a game of basketball or AFL where I’m not invested in either team and not fussed about the outcome and enjoy it

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Anonymous  
Last week

"Yes, the entire concept upon which the Wildcats and Breakers built their programs is clearly flawed"

Well said!

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Anonymous  
Last week

Yep both owned by wealthy people who were prepared to back both times without worrying about the cost.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Unfortunately it's similar to Townsville's demise. The town only has themselves to blame.

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Anonymous  
Last week

If you have ever lived in Wollongong you would realise when the steel works basically got rid of everyone and so many people either have to work in Sydney or not work at all money for sporting events just doesn't make sense.

Going to any sport is a luxury then you have the NBL who play games on stupid nights like Thursday and Monday and you wonder why crowds are down.

The Hawks as soon as Campbell was made C.E.O was doomed to fail Kim Welch did a much better job but he saw the writing on the wall.

You have had two guys as owners who have done little to help the situation then the Illawarra trust who refuse to spend any money on an aging WEC.

Hell even the Dragons don't get decent crowds any more and they to are run by a bunch of old dinosaurs who think living in the past will appease the fans.

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Anonymous  
Last week

You think Kim Welch did a better job, he is part of the reason the Hawks are in this position with the 2 previous owners

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Zodiac  
Last week

Even though there isn't much to discuss as the Hawks are still alive and will be playing in the NBL next season and probably for a few more years yet eventually when the Hawks do fold their fans will have no one else to blame but themselves.

If you have ever lived in Wollongong you would realise when the steel works basically got rid of everyone and so many people either have to work in Sydney or not work at all money for sporting events just doesn't make sense.


Which is why I think it was a mistake to not let the Hawks go and replace them with the new Tassie team. Perhaps the interest from the Ball family is the only thing still keeping a team there.

Going to any sport is a luxury then you have the NBL who play games on stupid nights like Thursday and Monday and you wonder why crowds are down.


Crowds aren't down though they're up and at record highs just not in the Gong though.



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Anonymous  
Last week

@KET but the TV deal for Olympics is negotiated outside basketballs influence and BA and NBL dont add any commercial value to accessing the Boomers games.

Soccer negotiate their own TV deal for the WC, hence soccer more powerful than basketball

Basketball would do well to follow the soccer model and have Olympics being truly amateur or U/23 and WC the best of the best

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Anonymous  
Last week

So the year with Lisch and Penney wasn't pretty?

That was the first season out of liquidation last time.

They just need an owner willing to invest in staff, coaches. Historically they've underpaid in these areas and not competitively recruited.

A skilled marketing and sales group would help.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Man I wish people wouldn't just assume shit because someone said it's true.
"Crowds aren't down though they're up and at record highs just not in the Gong though."
The Hawks average crowd was 3382 over the last 15 home games. A high of 5064 NYE last year and a low of 2273 4/2/19.

Crap at the best for a venue that holds about 6000 people in basketball mode.

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Zodiac  
Last week

Read again what I said anon. The other anon was trying to justify the Hawks poor crowds by the scheduling yet NBL crowds across the board were at record highs.

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Anonymous  
Last week

In order for the Hawks to have a decent shot in the Illawarra the venue would need to move to the Shellharbour area. Dapto, Albion Park and Shellharbour are still expanding rapidly. If you live in the Illawarra you are aware how much everyone hates the CBD. It's dirty. It's bare. It's dodgy. It's expensive etc.

Look at the demographics of the region. Wollongong and surrounding suburbs (West Wgong, North Wgong, Fairy Meadow etc) are mostly either poor uni students going to UOW or elderly retirees. South of Wollongong is where all the young families come from. The market the team wants.
Who is going to drive 30min into the CBD to park a solid 10-20min away from the venue (if you're lucky) to go to a game on a weeknight?

Then there's all the times previous management and ownership have screwed over local businesses and fans.

Not surprised they are often in this position. And it won't change until they do something about their home location.

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Anonymous  
Last week

People and businesses who been screwed over will be very hard to ever win back that is so true. Every time the team is reborn that is probably a whole lot more businesses who will never be paid for the services they provided and its not like there are infinite businesses in the region to replace them. Shellharbour might be growing but moving there sounds crazy to me.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Move them until you find a town that will embrace them

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Anonymous  
Last week

Sorry Zodiac. Missed the except. If they had an officially low 2000 number you can bet it was a mid - high range 1000 number. Take that to the bank.

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D2.0  
Last week

"Not surprised they are often in this position. And it won't change until they do something about their home location."

It's a vicious circle, and the fans need to step up.

Without a solid fan-base, nobody is putting up the money to move to a better venue, or upgrade the existing.

Besides, governments want to reinvigorate CBDs, not abandon them.

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Anonymous  
Last week

"Crap at the best for a venue that holds about 6000 people in basketball mode"

Just confirming the capacity of the WEC is 5,673 in basketball mode.

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proud  
Last week

Why can't you get your players going to schools and trying to embrace the community and be seen amongst the community?

I've never heard them ever being active like say the Perth Wildcats are and you'd imagine it would be easier to reach a higher % of the community in the Illawarra (or Townsville) than a capital city and I understand that local businesses would be disgruntled but if you try and appeal to school children then surely that good will can turn into members when they become adults and even a revisit at sponsorships from their respective work places... but Hawks still need to take care of those that take care of them and that should be non negotiable.

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UseTaHoop  
Last week

Proud

Hawks used to do that in 1990s.

Matt Campbell and Glen Saville used to run school clinics, leading in to 2000 Paralympics. As Olympic and Para host, there was a lot of funding around that was shared around Sydney, NSW and even nationally.

Can that still be done without funding from somewhere?

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Anonymous  
Last week

No.They should be able to find a sponsor. In the old days the benchies did many clinics and were paid to do it. A way of topping up their meagre income. Kellogg sponsored and the teachers had ongoing support after the schools visit. Truly not that hard.

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Anonymous  
Last week

getting a new owner if the licence is tied to the Illawarra Region might prove pretty difficult in the current climate outside of the current ings owner who by all reports is keen.

I can't understand why the NBL has an issue with an owner having both teams considering at many stages along the journey Chairman of the league owns a team and the league itself which means the same person also had a slice in up to 3 teams.

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Anonymous  
Last week

" In the old days the benchies did many clinics and were paid to do it. A way of topping up their meagre income."

It shouldn't be something that is only for the benchies, nor should it be something to top up income. Its fan engagement and the benefits are that the club creates fans from an early age.

If the players dont want to do school & community visits as part of their current contract then something is wrong with the culture of the club.

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Anonymous  
Last week

Watch this space Bullets are having major probelms with ownersip.....they are next

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Anonymous  
Last week

Just like buying apartments off the plan when it comes time to complete the purchase of an NBL team and acquire the remaining % sometimes its better to cut and run than to stump up the rest of the money.....how is the weather in Brissy by the way?

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KET  
Last week

The bad news

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/buyers-fail-to-pay-up-in-glittering-south-yarra-mega-development-20200514-p54sze.html

The good news

https://www.examiner.com.au/story/6764930/nbl-talks-positive-afl-on-hold-premier/

Apparently the DEC is funded

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Anonymous  
Last week

DEC funded and Tassie a yar away is great news....if only we didn't have two teams in dire strights with one in administration and a dispute re the completion of the final installment on the other!

I guess a 7 team league can work

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KET  
Last week

This is the first ive heard of Bullets having troubles...

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Anonymous  
Last week

At a guess I'd say the Martin-led consortium would be looking for reasons not to take up the next 37.5% of their ownership, due to the uncertainty of the league going ahead.

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Anon905  
Last week

There are talks of a Newcastle team getting a licence could potentially take Wollongong's

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Anon905  
Last week

Canberra and Wellington are interested too, seems these 3 are front runners as next to obtain a licence

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Anon905  
Last week

There is heavy interest and backing in Newcastle especially with new facilities being built for a WNBL team

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robt  
Last week

Re: new owners/locations:

In one respect, there is an up-side. I would guess that there will never be a worse situation to face in your program than this pandemic (maybe war). The current owners, and the rest of the world, had no idea of what was in store, but they are battling through, severely damaged in most cases. The new owner(s) of any team(s) can at least plan from start rather than from behind the 8 ball. Small point, perhaps, but maybe a silver lining?

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Anonymous  
Last week

Certainly under the old NBL the licence was tied to the city and not transferable.

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Perthworld  
Last week

Cannons licence moving from Canberra to Newcastle and then Singapore would suggest otherwise.

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