Anonymous
Earlier this year

Opals not training

Statement from Liz Cambage on Instagram:

"We as an Opals playing group stand in support of Black and Indigenous players and will not be training until we see support and change from our sporting organisation @basketballaus!! We say enough is enough!! #blacklivesmatter

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They don't have any games planned so well done.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Or is it because of covid symptoms after attending BLM protests?

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Doggr  
Earlier this year

Or is she protesting about the sixteen year old white girl that was set upon by the eight or so black girls.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

She is an idiot

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

If Olivia Simmons directly states in multiple social media posts that BA is racist and Cambage also implies it, then it must be true. After all these are two grounded, intelligent individuals who definitely wouldn't jump to conclusions, contradict their own logic, or make baseless public accusations.

It's so obvious that BA are racist that there isn't even a need to provide specific examples that indicate systematic hate and oppression from the basketball community. C'mon, that's just common sense!

BA should be ashamed of themselves for not hastily weighing in on a highly nuanced issue, via a movement that does not directly concern them.

End /s.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Just piss her off out of the team ... she is a trouble maker and always has been. We all have sympathy for the BLM protest but dont bring foreign issues to Australia

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Liz Cambage, patty mills, Ben Simmons, dante Exum, thon maker, deng Adel, Xavier Cooks, josh green, kouat Noi, Jonah bolden, Dyson Daniels, fiston Ipassou, josh duach, tyrese Proctor, David okwera, Jeffrey ofoedu, Ezi Magbegor, Agnes Emma Nnopu, shaneice Swain, India Bowyer, nyadiew puoch etc,etc etc. I'm sure I’m missing quite a few that have represented aus(BA) in recent times.


So far, 1 person is not happy with BA.
I would like to know what others on the list think about BA before making judgement.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

"Until we have DJ booths in every locker room, I refuse to attend any Opals camps" - E Cambage

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

BA should be ashamed of themselves for not hastily weighing in on a highly nuanced issue, via a movement that does not directly concern them

You don't think racism concerns them?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

What do you want BA to do?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

BA have put out a statement, dated 14th June, but added to social media this afternoon:

Basketball in Australia is a sport for all, bringing together people of any race, religion, nationality, gender, sexual orientation and ability under the shared values of respect, teamwork, trust and understanding.


For decades, Australian basketball - from grassroots to the elite level – has been enriched by Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples and people of colour.

Recent events in the United States makes it clear that as a global family we must work harder to eradicate racism, discrimination and injustice.

These issues are significant in Australia too. In 1991, there was a Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody. Since then, a further 437 deaths in custody of Aboriginal people have occurred. Not a single person has been held responsible for any of these deaths.

Basketball Australia is committed to eliminating racism and discrimination in all its forms and acknowledges we all have a role in building a more tolerant and just society.

Under the leadership of our Co-Chairs, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander community members Paul Vandenbergh and Cilla Preece we have developed a Reconciliation Action Plan which is now with Reconciliation Australia. We have also commenced the development of a Diversity and Inclusion Action Plan, which highlights cultural diversity as a key pillar of our framework.

This is important work and it takes time. It requires difficult conversations and it must be supported by action.

We stand side by side in solidarity with black communities, here at home and around the world, in proclaiming that Black Lives Matter.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Have another read of that quote, 724. You can opposite racism without campaigning for BLM.

Moot point, given BA's statement today.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

What is BLM if its not a movement against racism?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

BA had put this pretty strong statement detailing support and actions taken and commenced dated 14 June, and on website before the Cambage and Ohea posts today?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

It wasn't on social media so the brain dead chicks didn’t see it

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

think Olgun Uluc also threw BA under the bus here on twitter, not checking out when BA release was!

he posted
So, basically: it took Basketball Australia's most successful senior national team threatening to boycott training for the organization to finally come out and publicly express its solidarity with those fighting for racial justice.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The players posted their stance on social media several hours before BA's release.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

^^^ nope it was on BAs website before they posted.

https://twitter.com/kein/status/1273502155924635651

so lack of communication perhaps, and appears Uluc also says he "noticed"the date on release, still criticized BA with out checking it out first.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Ah ok, I didn't realise. Yep, comes down to bad communication.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Olgun is so bad. Without Moldovan feeding him he would be useless other than w a box of donuts

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

If anything, you should be criticizing the favoritism BA blatantly practise. Not the racism. Favoritism/ nepotism affects players from any race.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

BA been actively helping get black players into Australia a imports since the 70's!

Ba been actively get black people naturalised since the 80’s

BA engaging African communities for the last 30 years.

Damn BA are a racist institution look how h th year treated Liz with all the help and development asssitamce and pay a girl could ever dream off!

BA are pretty much the KKK at this point

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ANON  
Earlier this year

Cambage is the biggest "racist" around when it suits her narrative , opals not training lol.....well no one is , and when your coach is on the other side of the world , on a continent hit hard by this virus, players scattered everywhere and travel restricted.... well it's pretty obvious they won’t be training
This is Cambage rattling her cage again for attention , why the hell does the basketball world tolerate her behaviour .
Apparently she’s signed with Flyers for this WNBL season , she must think the refs have changed and will tolerate her BS

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Without her we would suck and not even be a top 8 team but yes she's a constant frustration.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Playing in China is ok though

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Yes you got it. China is fine. The salary they pay is enough to turn a blind eye to their human and animal rights record.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

She's going to kneel in Tokyo no doubt about it.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

How is Cambage racist?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

She is not racist she is just someone who wants attention more than she actually wants things fixed

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So true. I mean, all those that she's been vocal about over the years have totally been fixed so who know why she still speaks up about them.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Feel bad for her really, being 6'8 women of colour and standing out like dogs balls plus the fact her father was not around would have had such a huge effect on your mental health. Liv simmons, another outspoken individual I believe suffers from bipolar so u have to take that into account.
Wish the best for both of them.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Stephen A said a similar statement regarding Kyrie's commentary. Whats your gameplan?
Is it just a case of "old man yells at cloud"? What do you want changed? What are you lobbying for?
How have you been treated poorly?

Don't just scream broad statements and expect people to come up with the answer for you

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

I feel bad for #814

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

BA and the players had a chat today statement here -

https://australia.basketball/blog/2020/06/19/joint-statement-from-basketball-australia-and-the-australian-opals/



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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Are they still on strike or has it been resolved?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

So they had a day off from training when we do not have any upcoming games and tournaments...

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

When Liv Alice Simmons and Liz Cambage are the face of your cause here in Aus, good luck having people take it seriously!

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

They're not the face of any cause. People have chosen to ignore their cause because they don't like them as people. Says more about you than them.

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Anon  
Earlier this year

Feel bad for her really, being 6'8 women of colour and standing out like dogs balls plus the fact her father was not around would have had such a huge effect on your mental health. Liv simmons, another outspoken individual I believe suffers from bipolar so u have to take that into account.
Wish the best for both of them.



She "stands out because of her attitude , nothing else, the “look at me “ scream every time she speaks
You seem to forget she's also half white, that side of her didn’t desert her growing up, it’s high time she grew up, and stopped using the colour of her skin as an excuse for her behaviour

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

Dude, a 6'8 women stands out,... I’ve seen her out and about in Melbourne and she gets gawked at non stop.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

The average women height is 5'4 in Aus, she is 15 inches taller than the average women.
In China she’s 18 inches taller.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this year

When has she ever used her colour as an excuse for her behaviour? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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koberulz  
Earlier this year

You seem to forget she's also half white, that side of her didn't desert her growing up
Does she look white to you?

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

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Cool Howie  
Two months ago

Liz really sticking it to racist SOBs!

Listen and learn.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

It's her very own platform now. Cute crocodile tears on the news

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

This is awesome it shows the Opals & BA will do whatever Liz wants as long as she plays!

Next thing you know she'll be skipping training camp to DJ.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

It actually shows they are treating the issue seriously. It shouldn't have taken a player protest for that to happen though.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why is it relevant or mentioned that we should learn about US history?

Do they understand we are Australian?

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mike  
Two months ago

Cabbage has always been a loud mouthed trouble maker and not well liked within the team,get rid of her

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Cabbage hahahaha I see what you did there. Classic. She is hated so much that the whole team is standing with her for this cause. Here is a thought. Maybe it is possible to unite with someone for a good cause even if they are a sook on the court. Maybe there are bigger issues in the world today than tech fouls.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Do they understand we are in Australia?

Do you understand that Basketball Australia engages and employs with Black Americans, and that the problems aren't isolated to just America?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So the put out a video to tell us we need to learn about the USA?

Its a joke and pandering to Liz so she'll play its that simple.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why is it a joke?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

If you enjoy watching basketball in Australia then I assume you've seen some of those Black American players play here. Some of them have been pretty good and are a huge part of the history of the leagues here. They've also probably gone through some shit in their lives due to the systemic racism in America.

If you enjoy watching them play but think its a joke to have to learn about some of the struggles they've faced then you're a bit of a selfish dick.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Australian schools already teach basic US history. That's all that needs to be taught. Teach a bit more indigenous history and we will be on the right track. If you want more go study it at tertiary level. No point wasting time in primary/high school in something that isn’t going to give you skills to get a job in the real world.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So what does another countries issues and systematic racist have to do with us?

Plenty of things to focus on within Australia and our own history and nothing we learn in Australia will have any effect on the USA and its issues as last i checked we can't vote in the US elections.

We have a large number of Serbian/Croat background players in Australia are we getting this stuff shoved down our throats? What about other immigrant communities should we learn about them as well?

Its a joke to pander to Cabbage


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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes we should learn about them all as much as possible.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why are you so against being aware of issues in other countries, particularly when they relate to racism?

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ANON  
Two months ago

Political agendas have no place in sport, this woman Cambage dies more harm to women's basketball in this country than good,
Reading the multiple comments re this matter on done coal media platforms and people are slamming women’s basketball in this country because of their "mission statement" now on the BA website .
It’s hard enough for women’s basketball as it is without all this crap.
Non of it has anything g to do with the spirt at all
This BA is racists rubbish, players are chosen on ability , perhaps instead of putting in “naturalised” players they should look to add indigenous players... wonder how long the support fir that will last . And maybe instead of bringing in American imports they could fill the WNBL with Australian players.... again wonder how many would support that

Cambage is a mouth that shouts till it gets what it wants

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Done coal media hahahaha idiot

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So over this crap - Once ago pandering to the loudest voice. Where was the video when she missed training for a music festival or swore at an umpire and got booted? As someone that watches alot of Womens Basketball she is not someone to look up to or support and the sooner we stop pandering to her the better.
Also no lock down for Liz when she attended BLM?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Hahahahaha comparing missing training to racism. Good one.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Cabbage told people to stay home on twitter to save her White Granny then was in a crowd of people chanting and climbing up bus stops so fair to say she is nothing but a hypocrite.

Liz along the way has also been more than happy to take the money from the "racists" she so condemns



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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Or another way of looking at it, the people that pay black people to play sports should also be able to show solidarity with them when they're fighting for justice.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

#977 it's covered in basic US history. It isn’t going to help a kid in year 10 at Glen Waverley High School pass his maths exam is it.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Actually it's not covered in basic US history, that's why they are trying to bring awareness to the issues.

Who said they are trying to help kids pass high school? They are trying to educate people on these ongoing issues so they can understand why black people find themselves in the places they're in today before passing judgement based on skin colour.

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koberulz  
Two months ago

The vitriol aimed at BA and Cambage over this video is, quite obviously, proof that the video is unnecessary because there is no racism or sexism in this country.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I don't know that the criticism of Cambage is either racist or sexist but I do know it's idiotic to ignore what she's saying just because she did something years ago that rubbed people the wrong way.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

koberulz has never written anything that could be construed as rude or vitriolic, so he has the authority to make sarcastic remarks about oft-asserted, but rarely substantiated, evidence of racism and sexism in this country.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Rarely substantiated? Ok boomer.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So let's take class time away from maths to learn about racism in America. And when the kid fails year 12 for spending time learning about something his parents should teach him (racism) he can become a professional BLM protester and get his income from the government fortnightly.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You might have half a leg to stand on if you wanted to teach indigenous history

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"So let's take class time away from maths to learn about racism in America. And when the kid fails year 12 for spending time learning about something his parents should teach him (racism) he can become a professional BLM protester and get his income from the government fortnightly."

This is the shittest take ever.

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Luuuc  
Two months ago

People really losing the plot over players wanting to be better teammates and better people huh.

When I read a thread like this I forget my white male privilege as I am slapped in the face by my empathy, decency and common sense privileges.
Insecure white boys have no need to panic! The world is not coming to tear you down, ok! It just wants some other people to get a fair go too. You really don't need to embarrass yourselves like this.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Rarely substantiated? Ok boomer."

I'm in my 20s. I'll fairly consider any evidence of systematic racism or sexism in Australia, if you can provide it.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Yes, the guy who says claims of racism are rarely substantiated is totally going to have an impartial response to any evidence provided.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Mate, I'm just suggesting that evidence and objective interpretation ought to be presented when making assertions. In my experience, this hasn't been the case.

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Cram  
Two months ago

Evidence of systematic racism in Australia? Start with terra nullius and then look at how that claim impacted every policy the British and then Australian government has had with the indigenous people over the last 250 years. Should keep you busy for a while.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The Oz government spend over $15Billion a year on Indigenous people directly so if that racist we are in a heap of trouble as a country and those sorts of figures have been spend for years!

They make up about 3.3% of the population and get more support and opportunities than any of group in this country with lower uni scores required, social programs and financial support that is far beyond what any other group receives.

Is it perhaps systematically racist to single them out as a group for all this extra funding? Perhaps thats what creates the systematic racism you speak of and we should get rid of the extra funding thats provided so they feel part of Australia and not singled out for special treatment.

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Cram  
Two months ago

Ah the old "we spend all this money on them so they deserve all the hate they get" line. A classic.

Are you taking requests? Please do "my family came here as convicts so they were victims too!" That one takes me back.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

They absolutely do not get more opportunities than others. They are so disadvantaged because of the historical racism. Anything we are doing to help them now should not be seen as them being advantaged.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Cram, obviously the injustices of Australia's colonisation were born from racist beliefs then, and still affect indigenous people today. As 092 says: we've attempted, and will continue to make reparations and do right by those whose ancestors were clearly wronged.

But if we're to make any meaningful progress, then it requires an honest discussion from all sides.

I'm genuinely open to hearing about instances of modern-day systematic racism (still nothing from 020). If I'm misinformed I want to know how so.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

I love the one "more indigenous youth are incarcerated than anyone else..." maybe stop breaking the fucking law! Smh what happened to your ancestors 250 years ago has nothing to do with them breaking the law in 2020. Yeah racism caused me to do a break and enter!

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Cram  
Two months ago

"I'm genuinely open to hearing about instances of modern-day systematic racism (still nothing from 020). If I'm misinformed I want to know how so."

You are right, at policy level now, things are better. The racism now is certainly more subtle and to a point more subjective.

All of this positive policy direction loses some steam when the PM claims that there was never any slavery in Australia, when the disadvantage that many indigenous people in Australia face now is as a direct result of generational disadvantage as a result of slave labour, dispossession and stolen wages.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

#104, the issues Indigenous people have faced didn't end 250 years ago. That's the same disingenuous argument people use when discussing Black Americans ie slavery ended hundreds of years ago, therefore it's got nothing to do with today's issues.

#102, you've gone from suggesting that evidence of racism and sexism is often unsubstantiated, to demanding examples of modern day systemic racism (which is somewhat of an oxymoron). You're not genuinely interested in a discussion - you're mind is quite obviously made up that racism doesn't exist.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Indigenous people just like white people, Asians, Mexicans, Indians etc have the ability to make their own decisions and then be responsible for those decisions. If you break the law in 2020 you go to jail. It's quite simple for every member of the community..don’t break the law and you won’t go to Jail. Adam Goodes was on the receiving end of years of racism...he didn’t then choose to commit a crime and blame it on said racism. Stop making excuses for people.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why do you think Indigenous people commit more crime?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why are there more Asian drug dealers?

They are both ridiculous questions. Why do multi millionaires commit white collar crime? There is no answer. But the principles for the entire community are the same. If you don't break the law you don’t go to jail. If you don’t speed you don’t get a speeding fine. If you don’t drink and drive you don’t get done for DUI. If you don’t use your phone when you’re driving you don’t get a $1000 fine and lose demerit points. It’s very simple for everyone. If you DON’T break the law you DON’T go to jail.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

107, I said that instances of racism and sexism are often unsubstantiated because the go-to argument for many is to blame systematic racism and the patriarchy, respectively, without facts to support this claim.

How is "modern day systemic racism" an oxymoron? Segregation laws would be an example, if they were still in effect today, as it was literally a product of the legislative system.

As I've said already: I'm not doubting historical racism or the impact it has today. That doesn't mean that our current laws, policies or societal values are fundamentally racist - i.e. 'systematic'.

"you're mind is quite obviously made up that racism doesn't exist."

I've literally already said racism does exist and it should be condemned. My point is that it occurs on an individual level more than societal, and typically virtue signalling neglects or misrepresents facts - hence it being generally unsubstantiated.

"You're not genuinely interested in a discussion"

I've been pretty cordial in stating my position, and have invited a rational response multiple times.

It's pretty clear you're the one that's not interested in a discussion because I hold a different opinion/perspective to you. This is essentially the broader problem I was eluding to originally.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Why are there more Asian drug dealers?"

Huh?

We know that Indigenous people are over-represented in crime statistics, same with Black Americans. Part of the education that the BLM movement wants is understanding why that is, and a major reason is the systemic and ongoing racism that both countries have perpetrated.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Why do you think Indigenous people commit more crime?"

Thank you! This is an example of a genuinely important question that warrants being addressed, and not because indigenous-australians are solely to blame like other posters have asserted.

I read an anecdotal account of a former NT-resident on reddit a few weeks ago that was really eye-opening to the crime-related issues faced by the indigenous community, the white community, the police and government of the NT.

If I can find it I'll re-post it here.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"107, I said that instances of racism and sexism are often unsubstantiated because the go-to argument for many is to blame systematic racism and the patriarchy, respectively, without facts to support this claim."

There are plenty of facts to support this claim. If you look past the strawman of "slavery ended hundreds of years ago" and actually understand what America has done since then, you'll understand why its very easy to substantiate. Once slavery ended, mass incarceration was introduced (basically, ongoing slavery) and Black people were over-represented in this. Then the Jim Crow laws came in and the segregation and mistreatment of Blacks from those times is certainly not something that disappeared since the Civil Rights Acts were introduced.

Police brutality has been around for 100's of years, at times because of a close alliance between law enforcement and the KKK. To add to that, less funding for essential services (housing, education) in predominantly Black areas has been provided than more affluent areas.

The over-representation in mass incarceration has continued throughout, where "law and order" has been a popular vote winner, even though the policies created have targeted minorities (along with the policing) even when committing the same crimes. Of course, something that is taken to an election and voted on by white moderates can't be easily overturned because voter suppression of minorities continues to be an issue and in some states is just pure corruption.

I'm not the problem here. Its ignorant people like yourself that have got zero idea of the history of systemic racism yet instantly dismiss it as a valid reason why Black people find themselves in the positions they are in today.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

There are plenty of poor, uneducated and marginalised people who don't turn to crime.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

No one said there weren't.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

In Aust despite the massive money thrown at the Indigenous programs and people they still commit significantly more crime, quite often its crime on other indigenous community members so i'm not sure how racism comes into the reporting and prosecuting of those crimes when the imprisonment actually protects other members of those indigenous communities.

Should we change the rules of our court system for 3.3% of the population? Is the current funding models and preferential treatment not dividing us enough already?

The push back from middle Australia seems justified when radicals take a "Sins of the Father" approach, many above suggest we should take and keep paying for "our sins of the past"

Considering the majority of the tax base paying the $15Bil weren't even alive when the issues and gov policies caused the pain/suffering why should they keep paying?



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Anonymous  
Two months ago

#122 but only indigenous Australia use it as an excuse

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So we treat them like shit for a couple of hundred years, throw some money at them for the last 20 years, and then when they don't sort themselves out we should just stop trying to fix the issues?

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Big Ads  
Two months ago

"Them" and "They"............................................are actually us and we. Language can be so divisive.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

So we treat us like shit for a couple of hundred years, throw some money at we for the last 20 years, and then when we don't sort usselves out we should just stop trying to fix the issues?

Fixed. Thanks Ads.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Any other group would kill for this sort of money and free ride the indigenous get.

Things weren't great for a number of years but why should People who had absolutely nothing to do with it pay for it? (Clearly pissin money against a wall!)

The best thing is half the black lives matter knobs in Australia have never even suffered like the older indigenous people do and they get all the benefits but of course they still not happy we all know they just looking for an excuse for their failure/crimes.



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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Who should pay for it then? No one?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Despite the "free ride" Indigenous people get, I sure as hell would not want to be an Indigenous person in this country.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Everyone who is like 1/16th seems to want to claim it so must be a reason for that?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Claim what? You're just making stuff up.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why should anyone pay for it? Other races don't get the same
Level of handouts and open doors. Go get an education and then go get a job like everyone else. If you can’t you get the dole like everyone. And I think the point of the above anon is that there are plenty of snowflake white indigenous people (who receive the same white privilege day by day anonymously in the wider community) who put their hands out for indigenous handouts.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The Opals was once all about the team and the culture of the team. Now it seems to be more about the individual and the culture of the individuals.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago



Why should anyone pay for it? Other races don't get the same

That's because we have fucked over other races like we've done to the indigenous people. You keep saying why should we pay for it - who pays for it then?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

*haven't fucked over

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

No one. Get your own education like everyone else. Get your own job like everyone else. If you can't do that you get the same old garden variety welfare that every other race gets. Simple really

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Hopefully someone has showed Liz Patty Mills' efforts and donation for BLM movements.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

What happened to the guy who wanted a cordial discussion and invited responses? He seemed to disappear when provided with what he asked for.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"Hopefully someone has showed Liz Patty Mills' efforts and donation for BLM movements."

What's your point?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

848, this is the first time I looked at the thread since you told me for the 5th time that I didn't want a discussion, despite my attempts to engage.

Excuse me for deciding not putting up with your bullshit any longer :)

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You got your response quite soon after demanding it but you won't respond? My "bullshit" was avoiding this inevitable outcome - it was a complete waste of time to give you the run-down of systemic racism because, as I said repeatedly, you'd already decided it didn't exist.

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Cram  
Two months ago

The whole "free ride" thing is utter crap and only used by those who want an excuse to continue to marginalise a group of people who suffer some of the worst health outcomes in the world, and especially so when compared to other developed countries. The generational disadvantage suffered by indigenous Australians is a direct result of policy and pretending like this can be undone without greater assistance shows a complete lack of understanding of how social policy works.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Total direct expenditure on services for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians in 2012-13 was estimated to be $30.3 billion, accounting for 6.1% of total direct general government expenditure.

Estimated expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians.

Think you can clearly say its a free ride!

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

You also left out the part where it compares to programs for non-Indigenous Australians

That doesn't mean every Indigenous person gets $40k in their hand each year. That money goes to programs that are needed to try and close gaps between their lives and ours.

Would you honestly want to be treated the way Indigenous people are in this country? And don't just talk about this $40k nonsense - consider everything that they encounter and tell us you'd swap places?

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

The other 97% of the population get around the 20K mark spend on them.

Talk about dividing a population by birth, its modern day racism

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

"The other 97% of the population get around the 20K mark spend on them."

So you're interpretation of the gap in spending per capita is that they are lucky and getting a free ride?

"Talk about dividing a population by birth, its modern day racism"

I don't know what that means.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Why the gap? ITs a rule for one and not the other....that systemic racism in the favor of the Aboriginal.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

oh dear...

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Lets even out the funding so we don't single out any one group within the community because thats systemic racism to its core.


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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Its actually not but keeping having a whinge about what advantages you think Indigenous people have.

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

They did invent a stick so guess that's at least something

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Anonymous  
Two months ago

Latest Opals squad includes Heal, Rocci & Shelley good to see

NAME: CURRENT TEAM:
Rebecca Allen - Valencia, Spain / New York Liberty
Zitina Aokuso - JCU Townsville Fire
Sara Blicavs - Jayco Southside Flyers
Elizabeth Cambage - Las Vegas Aces
Rebecca Cole - Jayco Southside Flyers
Katie-Rae Ebzery - Perth Lynx
Darcee Garbin - Perth Lynx
Cayla George - Deakin Melbourne Boomers
Kelsey Griffin* - University of Canberra Capitals
Shyla Heal - JCU Townsville Fire
Tessa Lavey - Bendigo Spirit
Tess Madgen - Deakin Melbourne Boomers
Ezi Magbegor - Seattle Storm/Deakin Melbourne Boomers
Tiana Mangakahia - Syracuse University, USA
Leilani Mitchell* - Washington Mystics/ Jayco Southside Flyers
Lauren Nicholson - JCU Townsville Fire
Jenna O'Hea - Jayco Southside Flyers
Maddison Rocci - University of Canberra Capitals
Jaz Shelley - University of Oregon, USA
Alanna Smith - Phoenix Mercury/ Adelaide Lightning
Stephanie Talbot - Adelaide Lightning
Marianna Tolo - University of Canberra Capitals
Sami Whitcomb* - Perth Lynx

*Restricted Player, only one can be named in a final term of 12.

https://australia.basketball/blog/2020/07/13/ba-2020-senior-national-womens-squad/

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