Need guards next, Loughridge, Heal and dart maybe.

They seem to think they can turn undersized centres into guards!

Yes, obsession with pfs.

03 5'7 K.Deeble PG
02 5’10 Melbourne PG*
03 5’10 S.Swain SG
04 5’10 I.Borlase SG
03 6’1 C.Dunn SF
04 6’1 N.Puoch SF
02 6’2 R.Macdonald SF*
02 6’2 A.Goodchild PF
03 6’2 M.Prior PF* Fordham
02 6’3 O.Pollerd SF* Duke but no longer
02 6’3 E.Sewell PF* Portland
03 6’3 C.Evans C
03 6’5 L.Wise C


* scholarship end before middle of 21’

5 or more open scholarships mid 21’
Going to be alot of 04s and maybe some 05s


I think probably

D.Loughridge
T.Heal
H.Wickstrom
L.Dart
A.Ohara

Any other candidates?

Surely there are lots of male svholarships open now.

I think he meant as the next crop of inductees next year, in 9 months time.

Who are the other 05 standouts?
Leasuasu from nsw seems to have alot of potential.
Bradley from sa country
Burrows, Kurkowski vic m?

I don't think not making AJC last as a bottom ager is relevant, Wickstrom probably should have been in that team on Friday night performances. Her and Kurkowski look like the standout 05's from Vic. Gold Coast had some good 05's at Nationals in 2018. I heard Heal isn't interested, she would be a certainty if keen.

Yes, vic m not bringing bottom agers means nothing. They are stacked most years and have no room.

None in 2019 and I don't think any were chosen in 2020 either.

Gold Coast 05s are Petrie, mcdowell-White, billing, peacock. Cameron I think is a kiwi. Most of these girls probably make U16s state team but maybe only 1 wil make the junior N.T. Not sure any will make coe

Players from the qld npp like byrne, Hanson and Auton from the 05 group have the biggest chance of filling coe spots

^^^ LOL

The NPP program is a joke in QLD. Anyone can get in. Literally

That's simply not true. They earnt a spot.

Salty parents it seems.

Looking through every states npp 05 lot, some good players around.
Lots of good 06 too

There are plenty of good 05 players not in NPP. I think 05 is a lot stronger than 06 having seen some on Nationals last year, seemed like a lot of them are just early developers, relatively big and strong but without great athletic ability or skill. Pity there are no Nationals this year, the 07 players are a bit hidden.

My understanding is BA is making a significant investment into talent ID across Australia. I think they are seeing that state based high performance programs are typically driven by politics, self preservation and state bodies just don't have the budget to attract competent basketball people into these roles full time. Whether BA will now publicly admit it or not this role just decreases the relevance of the state based programs even more so. Certainly the state I'm in has had no real input or deliverables on elite player development over the past decade and really has no relevence for the kids that ultimately succeed. Infact in many cases they are succeeding in spite of the programs and people in them trying to make them fail.

Little bit early to talk about 07 group, no 06 or 07 will be at the coe in the next year n a half to 2 years.

The 03s are already selected for n.t and the coe will look at the next gems and sapphires which are 04 and 05.
They've just taken in the first 04s, Puoch and Borlase.
Oddly, Borlase was not chosen for sapphires

The 04 group are talent deep in the 1,2, 3 position but little depth 4-5
05 group is lacking 1s and2s but has a lot of 3, 4 and 5s imo.

06 wa group strongest it's ever been, I think they can do some damage instead on finishing in the bottom half.
I think 2 or 3 out of that group have a bright future.

Who are you jokers? You're talking about 14 and 15yr old kids.

These are great players, no criticism here.

https://australia.basketball/blog/2020/08/20/centre-of-excellence-welcomes-new-scholarship-athletes/

They did put bigs up against guards, wouldn't take it serious.

The idea of having the best kids training with each other under the best coaches is great in theory, but the fact is that the High Performance coaches generally are not the best coaches and kids old enough to go to the COE are old enough to train with NBL1 teams which would give them as good or better competition. BA would be far better off investing in helping clubs develop academy systems like in Europe than trying to centralise high performance.

Just make a high performance team within each nbl1 conference.

Yes being able to go back to ya family after a game at that age means a lot.

All today's posters get it. All good ideas.

Nsw/act u19 east 12-14 players
Vic/tas u19 South 12-14 players
Sa u19 Central 12-14 players
Qld u19 North 12-14 players
Wa u19 West 12-14 players

Ages from 16-19y,o
60-70 players getting developed against senior competition.




Coe develops about 15-20 kids over 2-3 years per gender.

I agree with shutting down the CoE/NBA Global and going decentralised for the athletes. Make the CoE an overseeing program. The problem is not in the competencies of those running the COE/NBA Global though. Those guys are world-class and did not really come through state-based systems.

The concept of a centre of excellence is the corporate world is to push operational excellence and competencies across operational silos in the organisations. The CoE in basketball does too much "operational work" to be a a CoE, it is not a CoE in the best practice sense of the word.

Outside of Victoria those running state-based HP programs could not get job at a supermarket in most cases, definitely could not function in a leadership role in a professional sporting organisation. They are typically those that are not able to get real jobs so take these low paying jobs in basketball and stumble their way up to higher roles. Suddenly, because no one else is willing take these jobs these guys get pushed through to National programs etc almost as a reward that no one is willing to work for their salary.

They are not moving through because of their own skillsets and capabilities they are moving through because they are in the job no one capable wants. In order to appease their state bodies and clubs they play politics with player selections and inter-club political relationships in order to keep their low paying job and keep everyone happy.

The problems with CoE are for another conversation. The problems are not the people running it. They are great. The issues are structural, location-based and the poor quality of the state-based HP programs.

The CoE athletes should be decentralised, bring them in for camps. Resource the state-based programs adequately. Put state HP managers on fixed-term contracts, up their pay rates and make sure they are performance-based roles, not political based roles. Leverage the CoE program as a resource for monitoring performance of programs, educating states and improving talent ID and competencies in state based programs.

Very well said.

1/3 of coe athletes Don't even make National teams.

That statement is a part of the problem but well said. If you are at the COE and it is perceived 50/50 call or even 60/40 then you would make nation team. It looks better on KPIs for funding etc. That in itself is a systemic problem. Should it be 100% based on the merit of the athlete, not hitting an unrelated KPI.

I don't think State based HP programs are the answer, better resourced club programs are a better solution. Its easier to amortize coach salaries across a umber of roles so you will get better coaches, if senior NBL1 players are training with HP kids then there is a stronger nexus between them and the junior programs that generate all the money, so its easier to justify playing them. Lots of upside for an academy structure.

.cant rely on every association to develop kids, some quality kids would fall through cracks.

Should be some more spots open now. Several graduations recently.

Girls 20/21
03 5'7 K.Deeble PG
02 5'10 J.Melbourne PG Arizona State
03 5’10 S.Swain SG
04 5’10 I.Borlase SG
03 6’1 C.Dunn SF
04 6’2 N.Puoch SF
02 6’2 R.Macdonald SF
02 6’2 A.Goodchild PF
03 6’2 M.Prior PF Fordham
02 6’3 O.Pollerd SF Washington
02 6’3 E.Sewell PF Portland
03 6’3 C.Evans PF
03 6’5 L.Wise C



Boys 20/21
NBA academy
D.Daniels PG
T.Proctor PG

COE?
R.Smith SG
K.Rasmussen CG
S.Deans SG?
T.Armstrong CG
P.Ryan SF
K.Galloway SF
B.Dengdit PF?
B.Jones PF
D.Rogers C?
H.Wessels C?

Boys 20/21
NBA academy
D.Daniels PG
T.Proctor PG
A. Rutayisire SF
B.Dengdit PF
J.McWilliams C


COE?
R.Smith SG
E.Kilmister PG
K.Rasmussen CG
T.Armstrong CG
P.Ryan SF
K.Galloway SF
A.woodhill PF
B.Jones PF
D.Rogers PF
D.Okerwa PF
H.Wessels C?

Why would they focus on 02 and 01 players...
Should be bringing inn04s by now.

Always very interesting to track how these kids come through and their path to get there. In SA it tends to be the ones that have little to do with BSA programs do better than those that have or have been dropped from things, due to club based politics and nepotism rampant through BSA, at some point.

I haven't seen aimable in years, where has he been?

Which 04 boys will be chosen?

Proctor already there.
Yaak surely, Magbegor too. Who else?

With Galloway and woodhill to Sydney and jnest brisbane, that's a few more open spots.

I'm hearing some big (the biggest) schools in the NCAA are already onto him. Young, growing and developing still and coming into some critical developmental years coming up but he has the body and approach to go all the way.

Not much comp in Waratah league...
Not enough minutes or games either.
A team in each conference of nbl1 would be good.


03 5'7 K.Deeble PG
02 5'10 J.Melbourne PG Arizona State 21/22
03 5'10 S.Swain SG
04 5’11 I.Borlase SG
03 6’1 C.Dunn SF
04 6’2 N.Puoch SF
02 6’2 R.Macdonald SF ? 21/22
02 6’2 A.Goodchild PF Northwestern 22/23
03 6’2 M.Prior PF Fordham 21/22
02 6’3 O.Pollerd SF Washington 21/22
02 6’3 E.Sewell PF Portland 21/22
03 6’3 C.Evans C

Should be a few moving on from the program soon.


New scholarships perhaps?
Loughridge - pg
Brazel - sg/sf
Dart - sg/sf
Crawshaw - sf/pf

Canberra have no one in spots 1, 2 or 3. Tolo gone, Froling gone, Rocci gone, potter injured. Scanlon to boomers
Need Melbourne, need Wallace back + 2 imports, Griffin, ruef + lots more.

New scholarships

D.Loughridge 04 pg vic
R.Gray 05 sg tas
J.clark 05 sg wa
J.Petrie 05 pf qld
E.gordon 05 c qld
I.juffermans 05 c nsw



The 5 bottom agers. Interesting choices...

Gordon 04'

Pretty laughable that they have taken these 05s from this years u18s but never waited to see the 05s from last year who couldnt play due to COVID in 2020.

No doubt some of the best 05s from this recent u18s but when you add the other 50 05s that you couldn't see from last year, the new scholarship holders would not stand out as much.

D.Loughridge 04 pg vic 5'6 167
R.Gray 05 sg tas 5’9 175
J.clark 05 sg wa 6’0 183
J.Petrie 05 pf qld 6’1 186
E.gordon 05 c qld 6’2 187
I.juffermans 05 c nsw 6’3 191

Who of the 05 would be better? If they are from VIC and they were good enough then they would have made the team.

Some may have also declined. COE not the be all and all, especially if you're living in Melbourne and getting a run in NBL1

Seems like a step down for Loughridge. Starting pg in nbl1 south for the rangers and goes to play less games in nbl1 east next season against inferior opponents.

Does the Coe have a set quota of pgs, sgs, sfs, pfs, and cs or something?.

Gordon is an odd choice as a 6'2 undersized 04 center. Maybe someone can shed some light on her untapped skill set.

Her stats from AJC were
DNP 5 games
0-3 11 mins, 1 rebound, 0 points.
0-2 5 mins, 0 rebounds, 0 points.
0-0 2 mins, 0 rebounds, 0 points.

I agree it is a step down for Loughridge, doesn't make sense for her to go. Already a lock you would think for the Gems too. Most go to guarantee that. If you watched U20’s this year, a few players who have been there for a long time have regressed - I.e. were better at 20’s last year as BA players

The Gordon choice is very perplexing.

I'd bring in a dart, Ananiev or a crawshaw as players that have potential.
Leave Brazel in nbl1, so too Loughridge. Puoch n Borlase already at Coe.

Maybe Dallas understands going to Coe gets you auto gems selection.

Whoever selects these athletes ain't very good.

Most people have gems list narrowed to 14.

Isobel Borlase 04 SA*
Tayla Brazel 04 SA
Kate Deeble 03 QLD*
Charlise Dunn 03 VIC*
Chyra Evans 03 NSW*
Dallas Loughridge 04 VIC
Jade Melbourne 02 VIC*
Isabelle Morgan 02 NSW
Olivia Pollerd 02 VIC*
Nyadiew Puoch 04 VIC*
Paige Price 03 VIC*
Millie Prior 03 NSW*
Kelsey Rees 02 SA
Shaneice Swain 03 QLD*

*lock

4 fightingfor 2 spots.

No Coe means morgan and Brazel get cut.

So...
Melbourne-Deeble-Loughridge
Swain-Borlase
Price-Puoch
Dunn-prior-pollerd
Rees-Evans

No Coe means morgan and Brazel get cut.

^^ it really does mean that unfortunately, always has

It's a good squad but it is a lacking superstar center and potter as a sf.
Bronze medal maybe.

When u look back

U19 wc, In the post we had


Smith n Scherf 2015

Magbegor n aokuso 2017

Fowler n anstey 2019

Likely dunn n rees 2021

If u look ahead and at Coe. Gordon n Juffermans. 2023

Garbin n mijovic 2013

Pretty much everyone has gone onto wnbl level.

Yesterday

Seems like a step down for Loughridge. Starting pg in nbl1 south for the rangers and goes to play less games in nbl1 east next season against inferior opponents.


Have you seen what Rangers have to choose from, Loughridge would be coming off bench in any other team, so don't take that as a measure

Attending Cof E is an automatic inclusion in national selection, doesn’t matter if better players are out there ( and they are) it’s an auto inclusion

Someone please tell me what Gordon has done in qld?

#390 you really think Gordon will be the center in 2023? This was like the wise pick. Developed but not taken as a n,t member. What happened to preston from qld, you have jacobs from wa, 05 centers like Juffermans n leasuasu with potential plus others. By then double bottom agers coukd come into frame like metcalfe from wa, who'll be 6’6 and others.


The only 3 u19 guarantees atm are puoch n Borlase n Loughridge for 2023.

Other 04 prospects
5’7 04 L.Rotunno qld pg
5’9 04 T.Heal vic pg
5’9 04 T.Logan nsw sg
5’11 04 C.Pitman nsw sg
5’11 04 J.Fearne qld sg
5’11 04 J.Simons sa sg
5’11 04 L.Dart qld sg
6’0 04 T.Brazel sa sg
6’1 04 S.Burrows vic sf
6’1 04 J.Crawshaw nsw sf
6’2 04 D.Ananiev vic sf
6’2 04 M.Jacobs wa pf
6’2 04 E,Gordon qld c - now Coe
6’3 04 S.Preston qld c

I'm missing a few, nelson, moffatt off the top of my head

Information on Gordon. Only played division one rep for 20/21 season for the first time ever. Didn't start in any game and play 29 seconds in the state championship final, which her team smashed the other team. Not even in the NBL1 team or squad.
If that doesn’t tell you about her basketball skills IDK what does.

No sure exactly she has except height and she really isn’t that tall.

Very odd, I'd understand if she was 6’5+ but she was one of the smallest centers.

Sketchy for sure.

2023 u19 Gems early prediction. (Just 04 athletes)

Atm it would be...

Loughridge-Heal
Borlase-Fearne-Pitman
Brazel-Dart
Puoch-Ananiev-Crawshaw
Preston-Jacobs

Reserves
PG-Rotunno
SG-Simons
SF-Burrows
PF-Nelson
C-Hasset

Very tough decision between Simons, pitman and dart I might add.

You get delete Dart not playing anymore. Concentrating on school, pulled out of all competitive basketball except for school.

In 23' sure she’ll be back by then.

Nah she wants to do medicine, so I don't think so

Same thing happened with hannan I think, went to medicine.

Why would they list ger on the first gems list a month ago?

Honest question. Not trolling. How many women have they gotten right lately in the past 5 or so years?

About half.

Coe is dead, as said before u19 spp/npp team in each nbl1 conference would be better.

Every state has a main baskeyball hub. S+ c, nhtrution, everything can be done in each state and you get to stay home with ya folks.pb and see ya friends.