Anonymous
Last month

COE new scholarships

https://australia.basketball/blog/2020/08/06/coe-women-to-receive-scholarships

2 very talented young women.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Need guards next, Loughridge, Heal and dart maybe.

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Anonymous  
Last month

They seem to think they can turn undersized centres into guards!

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yes, obsession with pfs.

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Anonymous  
Last month

03 5'7 K.Deeble PG
02 5’10 Melbourne PG*
03 5’10 S.Swain SG
04 5’10 I.Borlase SG
03 6’1 C.Dunn SF
04 6’1 N.Puoch SF
02 6’2 R.Macdonald SF*
02 6’2 A.Goodchild PF
03 6’2 M.Prior PF* Fordham
02 6’3 O.Pollerd SF* Duke but no longer
02 6’3 E.Sewell PF* Portland
03 6’3 C.Evans C
03 6’5 L.Wise C


* scholarship end before middle of 21’

5 or more open scholarships mid 21’
Going to be alot of 04s and maybe some 05s


I think probably

D.Loughridge
T.Heal
H.Wickstrom
L.Dart
A.Ohara

Any other candidates?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Surely there are lots of male svholarships open now.

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Joe  
Last month

H Wickstrom hasn't done anything to get a scholarship atm. Didn’t even make the state team as a bottom ager. Should not even be in the conversation. Could of been had 16 AJC happened or maybe other names in the 05 could of been in the mix.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I think he meant as the next crop of inductees next year, in 9 months time.

Who are the other 05 standouts?
Leasuasu from nsw seems to have alot of potential.
Bradley from sa country
Burrows, Kurkowski vic m?

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Anonymous  
Last month

I don't think not making AJC last as a bottom ager is relevant, Wickstrom probably should have been in that team on Friday night performances. Her and Kurkowski look like the standout 05's from Vic. Gold Coast had some good 05's at Nationals in 2018. I heard Heal isn't interested, she would be a certainty if keen.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yes, vic m not bringing bottom agers means nothing. They are stacked most years and have no room.

None in 2019 and I don't think any were chosen in 2020 either.

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Joe  
Last month

I agree with the Gold Coast girls from 2018 winning team, had some players in that team. Nationals this year would of been interesting to see who would have won. Definitely would get a clearer picture of the 05 talent.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Gold Coast 05s are Petrie, mcdowell-White, billing, peacock. Cameron I think is a kiwi. Most of these girls probably make U16s state team but maybe only 1 wil make the junior N.T. Not sure any will make coe

Players from the qld npp like byrne, Hanson and Auton from the 05 group have the biggest chance of filling coe spots

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Anonymous  
Last month

^^^ LOL

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Anonymous  
Last month

The NPP program is a joke in QLD. Anyone can get in. Literally

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Anonymous  
Last month

That's simply not true. They earnt a spot.

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Billy Bob  
Last month

Anyone but your kid by the sounds of it

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Anonymous  
Last month

Salty parents it seems.

Looking through every states npp 05 lot, some good players around.
Lots of good 06 too

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Anonymous  
Last month

There are plenty of good 05 players not in NPP. I think 05 is a lot stronger than 06 having seen some on Nationals last year, seemed like a lot of them are just early developers, relatively big and strong but without great athletic ability or skill. Pity there are no Nationals this year, the 07 players are a bit hidden.

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Anonymous  
Last month

My understanding is BA is making a significant investment into talent ID across Australia. I think they are seeing that state based high performance programs are typically driven by politics, self preservation and state bodies just don't have the budget to attract competent basketball people into these roles full time. Whether BA will now publicly admit it or not this role just decreases the relevance of the state based programs even more so. Certainly the state I'm in has had no real input or deliverables on elite player development over the past decade and really has no relevence for the kids that ultimately succeed. Infact in many cases they are succeeding in spite of the programs and people in them trying to make them fail.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Little bit early to talk about 07 group, no 06 or 07 will be at the coe in the next year n a half to 2 years.

The 03s are already selected for n.t and the coe will look at the next gems and sapphires which are 04 and 05.
They've just taken in the first 04s, Puoch and Borlase.
Oddly, Borlase was not chosen for sapphires

The 04 group are talent deep in the 1,2, 3 position but little depth 4-5
05 group is lacking 1s and2s but has a lot of 3, 4 and 5s imo.

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Anonymous  
Last month

06 wa group strongest it's ever been, I think they can do some damage instead on finishing in the bottom half.
I think 2 or 3 out of that group have a bright future.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Who are you jokers? You're talking about 14 and 15yr old kids.

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Anonymous  
Last month

These are great players, no criticism here.

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Anon  
Last month

Quick Question, when the Boys have just been beaten by PNG and the girls by Egypt and both didn't make the quarter-finals in the FIBA U17 skills challenge why would you be so desperate to have your kid up there.
They have no games on and finish an embarrassing 12-16 against kids who are not training daily in a so-called elite environment.
At some stage the Govt will wake up and dump the funding for the COE

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Anonymous  
Last month

https://australia.basketball/blog/2020/08/20/centre-of-excellence-welcomes-new-scholarship-athletes/

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Anonymous  
Last month

They did put bigs up against guards, wouldn't take it serious.

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Anonymous  
Last month

The idea of having the best kids training with each other under the best coaches is great in theory, but the fact is that the High Performance coaches generally are not the best coaches and kids old enough to go to the COE are old enough to train with NBL1 teams which would give them as good or better competition. BA would be far better off investing in helping clubs develop academy systems like in Europe than trying to centralise high performance.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Just make a high performance team within each nbl1 conference.

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JJ  
Last month

100% agree with the above statement. Not saying kids wont excel in that kind of environment at the COE but being at home would have to be a bonus. These kids are already excelling so whatever they are doing at home and with their club/state program is working.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yes being able to go back to ya family after a game at that age means a lot.

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Anonymous  
Last month

All today's posters get it. All good ideas.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Nsw/act u19 east 12-14 players
Vic/tas u19 South 12-14 players
Sa u19 Central 12-14 players
Qld u19 North 12-14 players
Wa u19 West 12-14 players

Ages from 16-19y,o
60-70 players getting developed against senior competition.




Coe develops about 15-20 kids over 2-3 years per gender.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I agree with shutting down the CoE/NBA Global and going decentralised for the athletes. Make the CoE an overseeing program. The problem is not in the competencies of those running the COE/NBA Global though. Those guys are world-class and did not really come through state-based systems.

The concept of a centre of excellence is the corporate world is to push operational excellence and competencies across operational silos in the organisations. The CoE in basketball does too much "operational work" to be a a CoE, it is not a CoE in the best practice sense of the word.

Outside of Victoria those running state-based HP programs could not get job at a supermarket in most cases, definitely could not function in a leadership role in a professional sporting organisation. They are typically those that are not able to get real jobs so take these low paying jobs in basketball and stumble their way up to higher roles. Suddenly, because no one else is willing take these jobs these guys get pushed through to National programs etc almost as a reward that no one is willing to work for their salary.

They are not moving through because of their own skillsets and capabilities they are moving through because they are in the job no one capable wants. In order to appease their state bodies and clubs they play politics with player selections and inter-club political relationships in order to keep their low paying job and keep everyone happy.

The problems with CoE are for another conversation. The problems are not the people running it. They are great. The issues are structural, location-based and the poor quality of the state-based HP programs.

The CoE athletes should be decentralised, bring them in for camps. Resource the state-based programs adequately. Put state HP managers on fixed-term contracts, up their pay rates and make sure they are performance-based roles, not political based roles. Leverage the CoE program as a resource for monitoring performance of programs, educating states and improving talent ID and competencies in state based programs.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Very well said.

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Anonymous  
Last month

1/3 of coe athletes Don't even make National teams.

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Anonymous  
Last month

That statement is a part of the problem but well said. If you are at the COE and it is perceived 50/50 call or even 60/40 then you would make nation team. It looks better on KPIs for funding etc. That in itself is a systemic problem. Should it be 100% based on the merit of the athlete, not hitting an unrelated KPI.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I don't think State based HP programs are the answer, better resourced club programs are a better solution. Its easier to amortize coach salaries across a umber of roles so you will get better coaches, if senior NBL1 players are training with HP kids then there is a stronger nexus between them and the junior programs that generate all the money, so its easier to justify playing them. Lots of upside for an academy structure.

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Anonymous  
Last month

.cant rely on every association to develop kids, some quality kids would fall through cracks.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Should be some more spots open now. Several graduations recently.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Girls 20/21
03 5'7 K.Deeble PG
02 5'10 J.Melbourne PG Arizona State
03 5’10 S.Swain SG
04 5’10 I.Borlase SG
03 6’1 C.Dunn SF
04 6’2 N.Puoch SF
02 6’2 R.Macdonald SF
02 6’2 A.Goodchild PF
03 6’2 M.Prior PF Fordham
02 6’3 O.Pollerd SF Washington
02 6’3 E.Sewell PF Portland
03 6’3 C.Evans PF
03 6’5 L.Wise C



Boys 20/21
NBA academy
D.Daniels PG
T.Proctor PG

COE?
R.Smith SG
K.Rasmussen CG
S.Deans SG?
T.Armstrong CG
P.Ryan SF
K.Galloway SF
B.Dengdit PF?
B.Jones PF
D.Rogers C?
H.Wessels C?

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Boys 20/21
NBA academy
D.Daniels PG
T.Proctor PG
A. Rutayisire SF
B.Dengdit PF
J.McWilliams C


COE?
R.Smith SG
E.Kilmister PG
K.Rasmussen CG
T.Armstrong CG
P.Ryan SF
K.Galloway SF
A.woodhill PF
B.Jones PF
D.Rogers PF
D.Okerwa PF
H.Wessels C?

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Billy Bob  
Two weeks ago

What does it say about our systems when a kid who wasn't even playing organised ball a couple years ago in Perth can come out of nowhere and take a spot?
By no means am I knocking the kid, a fantastical story and well deserving of his spot, and truly hope he continues his trajectory.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Why would they focus on 02 and 01 players...
Should be bringing inn04s by now.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

Always very interesting to track how these kids come through and their path to get there. In SA it tends to be the ones that have little to do with BSA programs do better than those that have or have been dropped from things, due to club based politics and nepotism rampant through BSA, at some point.

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Anonymous  
Two weeks ago

I haven't seen aimable in years, where has he been?

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Anonymous  
Last week

Which 04 boys will be chosen?

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