robt
Last month

In Place Of Next Stars?

The Next Stars scheme looked like it would/might go gang-busters but really, we got a great ride with Lamelo and a lot of controversy here over eligibilities, who got whom, who got no-one, etc.

What if the NBL was to offer stud Australians, playing overseas, anywhere, $100,00 up front plus whatever the clubs are willing to bid over.

That would go a long way towards making the money even (here v Europe or Gleague etc), surely that would bring back some. And as the NS program is year after year, and the league is up for that initial 100G, why not make it on-going for the Aussies we've repatriated. Maybe reduce it year by year. But please, if this was adopted, we would not be chasing one-and-dones but professional studs who would be happy to play at home earning similar money.

I am thinking that I would rather watch Landale, Motum, Deng, Maker, 20 or 30 others Ausies in NBL teams' colours than waiting for the next Lamelo.

The arguement against may be that we lose that NBA/USA connection and the hype that went with Lamelo BUT, on the other hand, we may get more draft and stash types like DiDi and nothing wrong with that.

Remember, too, that as the NBA are now targeting those same guys that we hope to lure here, the numbers and the quality of those NSs choosing the NBL will drop. No more Lamelos, damn!

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Cornholio  
Last month

We know this won't end well.
A bidding war will only suit the big three clubs and even then the money can't possibly compete with Europe.

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Anonymous  
Last month

More publicity in having players such as LaMelo and RJ Hampton as well. As unfortunate as it is anyway

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Anonymous  
Last month

The purists want to see the top Aussie players. But for publicity, marketing and improving NBL in the broader market (both basketball and sports generally) then the American NS offer much more. LaMelo and Hampton got a lot of NBA-only fans interested and hopefully they stick around.

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Mobbin  
Last month

Ain't NS already dead, just doesn't know it yet... Went from two top 15 types (& 1 already drafted professional), too guys unlikely to get drafted at all. G league restructured to pay more for the non-college ones so what actual benefit is there for them to come out here now.

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Anonymous  
Last month

No benefit, so keep it at two imports maybe make it a player who quits college or finishes college so they can start there pro career. Set it up so the same side can't always get the NS.

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Anonymous  
Last month

They wont go away from 3 imports when the economic environment becomes conducive again. Thinking otherwise is naive.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Lets just make it a league with no Aussies in it....40% of rosters are for foreign born players now

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yep, it's a joke

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Anonymous  
Last month

Why so salty about foreign players #816442.
Are you racist?

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Anonymous  
Last month

Who cares about 3 imports and 1 NS when more teams come in.

Tassie, Wellington and 1 other team is 30 Aussie/kiwis alone within 10 years

2-5 guys from overseas come back, plus 2-4 college kids a year and 2-3 retire.

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Anonymous  
Last month

NS is just a flexible mechanism of the NBL to lure young talent away from the NCAA. I feel like the position's eligibility is pretty fluid. Young players bring scouts and media attention. Something important for our league. The LaMelo/RJ experiment didnt go as planned. RJ lacking and LaMelo being heavily critized for his play in the NBL. That being said, the NBL is receiving more coverage now in the US than ever before. The league has been around for decades and nothing has helped us get national TV deals so why not continue to try stuff like the NS? Brand awareness is huge for building legitimacy for these young prospects considering Australia.

The NS program will continue to adapt to help attract the young and up-and-coming basketball players looking for an alternative to College.

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Cram  
Last month

"The NS program will continue to adapt to help attract the young and up-and-coming basketball players looking for an alternative to College."

Translation: The NS program will continue to make things up as it goes along to pretend it was ever a success given only a total of 2 foreign players have chosen the NBL over college and one of them never played.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Yep exactly.

And maybe next year we get a couple more.

Why does it need to be set in stone? Whats the difference?

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Cram  
Last month

Something somewhere near a level of transparency would be nice. Also the "program" is little more than a way to get a new college grad in without using an import space now which is not even remotely the original purpose of the program.

The league shouldnt be giving development opportunities to foreign players - most (all?) of whom will never be anything approaching a "star" - at the expense of locals.

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Anonymous  
Last month

Thanks Cram, well said.

Set the rules so all can play by them, the league should be still about giving Australian players ago. The next star Phoenix had last season took a dp spot from an Australian player and earned a minimum of $100g.

Young dp guard playing for the kings is very good but can't crack a spot anywhere. Hutchinson I believe his name is. These guys deserve a go before some no good next star earn more than halthe roster.

Phoenix dp last season was probably on more coin than Pineau, you work it out.

Two or three imports plus a quality dp ok but not some list clogger.

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Anonymous  
Last month

This is being used as a mechanism to get talent into the league. Why cap its potential? You need flexibility when you're trying to see what works. Why compromise that?

It obviously didnt swing the NBL championship.
Cats didnt have a next star and won it all. Sydney had arguably the best Next Star and still didnt win.

NS is to go after young US players who have a tonne of social media presence and have the ability to capture new fans. The league builds legitimacy. Young kids in Australia want to play in the Australian league against NBA lottery picks. In terms of local viewership, young Aussie kids are turning on the NBL/going to the games to watch these huge social media figures play for their home team.

Whats your plan to grow the league out of curiosity?

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Cornholio  
Last month

I think the Jessup signing is taking the piss a bit.
Any college senior could be eligible but Perth are fine with signing Mooney as a regular import.


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Cram  
Last month

Young kids in Australia have fewer opportunities for minutes because of this rule, so trying to spin it as being good for them is pretty rich.

The Hawks had the biggest name NS there will ever be and went broke. Tell me again how this is good for the league and its clubs?

Its short term buzz over any kind of sustainable benefit.

Again, this era has seen the fewest Australians in the league of any in history meanwhile bending over backwards and paying a a premium to develop American players for a few clicks.

It isnt sustainable and wont end well.

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Anonymous  
Last month

A few clicks? The NBL is going to produce a top 3 player. When has that ever happened?

You need to inspire the youth. You do that by getting the product on TV/online/places where they hang out. They do that and they pester their parents to take them out to play ball. They forgo playing the sports that dominate the mainstream here (AFL/NRL).

And as for the Hawks, it was a basket case before LaMelo got there. So thats a bullshit argument.

Again, what was your alternative plan?

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Anonymous  
Last month

#454
Cram answered above.

As he says, if you can't go to college and stay in Australia you’re surely limited by options. Players like Goulding, Cadee, Adnam all started at the bottom of the ladder, there are lots of others as well, if we start bringing in four year college guys on good money and guaranteed two year contract to hopefully get there friends and family to follow it’s not worth it.

Ball was a total different case Hampton as well, if we get these quality 18 year olds ok but not 22/23 years olds that are just milking the system.

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Cram  
Last month

" few clicks? The NBL is going to produce a top 3 player. When has that ever happened?"

Produced? Guy played 12 games. The NBL didn't produce him. Dante Exum went top 5 from playing nowhere for 6 months.

And that he'll be a top 3 draft pick is good but does that guarantee success?

"You need to inspire the youth. You do that by getting the product on TV/online/places where they hang out. They do that and they pester their parents to take them out to play ball. They forgo playing the sports that dominate the mainstream here (AFL/NRL)."

Being able to see good young Aussie players in the NBL would be inspiring, yes.

"And as for the Hawks, it was a basket case before LaMelo got there. So thats a bullshit argument."

But right up until they declared banckruptcy, the NBL and all of the LK sycophants were delcaring the LaMelo ball NS deal at the Hawks a success for the club. Quotes from inside the club saying they were never in a better position. Funny how the exposure and clicks didnt work out huh?

People keep saying the same about the league as a whole. And I'm sure they will right up until the point it falls down.

"Again, what was your alternative plan?"

Grow the league sustainably. That will be slower, sure, and not nearly as click worthy, but it'll last longer.

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Anonymous  
Last month

I agree he played very few games and using 'produced' was far-fetched. But the NBL was the league he played in before entering the draft. Thats all that matters.

Are there any lies in this statement:
'LaMelo Ball came from the NBL.'

That is all that matters. That alone gives agents the ammunition to potentially sway their potential top draft pick to play in the NBL.

In terms of any form of concrete rules and regulations governing the program, I agree that the Next Stars is a farce. But it is doing the job it needs to do. It is more of a PR tool than it is a basketball development tool.

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Mobbin  
Last month

Using LaMelo to answer that the Next Stars system works is flawed as he was always a top 10 pick and bumping up a few spots would have happened in draft camps due to his natural talent. Hampton was the real type NS was originally targeting, the late round/2nd round expectations and couldn't/wouldn't go to HS, so some Pro seasoning could build their profile and experience.

The real question is where are the next draft calibre players. Sure as heck not coming to the NBL when the G league now offers the cash to stay home for the couldn't/wouldn't go to HS types. No one will be coming over to scout, let alone "trend", the likes of Jessup, the SE Phoenix guy, Mooney etc

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Anonymous  
Last month

Exactly Mobbin.

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Anon  
Last month

Next stars is not a development program. It aims to get American eyeballs watching the product. The US market is huge and potential revenue substantial if they can get even a small percentage of the American basketball market to watch. This is why LK pays and the "rules" expand to include anyone Americans might watch. LaMelo was spectacularly successful as a NS. The value of the exposure he generated in the US was huge. He basically got the games on ESPN. Americans aren't interested in talented but unknown locals so they are basically not eligible.

Unfortunately for the NBL the G League has Realised they were missing out.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

What if they added a full team of Next Stars? That would get US eyes watching.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

LaMelo was used as a marketing campaign and the NS program being the vehicle to deliver it.

Call the program whatever you want Next Stars, Five Stars, No Stars... it doesn't matter. If you're trying to make sense of it then you will be continually frustrated. It is simply being used to take advantage of short term growth opportunities for the NBL.

As a development tool, the NS program sucks no doubt. But the NS position has been successful in producing decent role players/bench players. I don't mind that for the role.

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Anon  
Earlier this month

This league needs revenue. The Australian market is already saturated with professional sports teams and opportunities for growth locally are limited. Next Stars are a cheap way of generating interest in a potentially lucrative market. The value of the exposure that came with LaMelo Ball was astronomical compared to what they paid him. They would be crazy not to take all the Next Stars they can get.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

Ball was the perfect next star, who is the next one that can bring that sort of excitement, there ain't one.

How and why the league could knock back his offer to be part of the league ownership still doesn’t make sense unless the long term plan is to move hawks out of Illawarra.

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Cram  
Earlier this month

The idea that Americans are gonna start tuning into NBL games as anything other than a rare novelty is absurd. Also, given the Hawks went broke, paying LaMelo doesnt seem to be that cheap does it?

how many Americans are gonna be tuning in to watch Jessup? Millions obviously.

Create a league with Australian players for an Australian audience. It is harder, will take longer and wont get you the sexy headlines, but it'll be longer lasting.

Buzz over substance never lasts.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

"How and why the league could knock back his offer to be part of the league ownership still doesn't make sense unless the long term plan is to move hawks out of Illawarra. "

Because he's 18 years old with no business experience.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

It's not as much about getting Americans to watch the league as it is about getting rich Americans to invest in the league.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

His partner has a wealth of business experience and still employs 500 in the Illawarra, Ball was needed for his name only and had an original stake of 25%.

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

So if he was only needed for his name, what would it have achieved? You think there would be a spike in interest in basketball because Lamelo became a minority owner of a team from the other side of the world?

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Anonymous  
Earlier this month

2 Million people streamed the Ball and Hampton match up.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamzagoria/2019/10/25/lamelo-ball-rj-hampton-draw-nearly-two-million-views-on-facebook/#5aa75b9b239e

What a mistake!

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Cram  
Earlier this month

2 Million views of at least a few seconds. If you think many watched more than a few minutes you're falling for the buzz

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