I'd say top 1 from west, eastand central. Top 2 from north, top 3 from south
8 teams go to vic for wed, Friday, sat, sun Short series.
Wed - fri pool play
Sat - semi
Top pool 1 V 2nd pool 2
Top pool 2 V 2nd pool 1
Sun - Final
let's be real here the tournament most likely will only be friday saturday sunday max, have to remember majority of players have work outside of playing and may not want to take a week off to play in a tournament
I can see similar formatting to above where
Friday - pool play
Saturday - semis
Sunday - finals
or even squeezed kind of like the coastal classic
Saturday - pool play
Sunday - semis and finals
as semis and finals most likely is just 2 games in one day for the winning team in semis
Thwaites quickly getting a reputation for poaching strong players off of other clubs that have spent years developing them and then calling them his own. Steady on that chequebook there TT, you may need it to save your job if you keep failing on court over the next 12 to 24 months. And am I the only one expecting a screwjob worse than what Vince McMahon did to Bret Hart, if Coach Cooper can't get the desired results with Andy 'just quietly sitting in the background' watching it all unfold? Don't act shocked when it plays out
Its not hating on a guy if it's the truth. He's his own worst enemy and is literally on interested in people so long as he can use and abuse them to get what he wants. Again, not hating - it's the truth. The only thing the guy loves more than his own voice is his reflection in the mirror
Hunt has been linked with the rest of the former Magic men to a move to the Giants. Huge loss for Trahair if true and also strong rumours that several clubs are circling for the services of very promising young point guard Riley Parker from the Magic too. Maybe it's time to seriously look at a Magic / Slammers merge in the not too distant future
Interesting, what incentive is it for local clubs to develop 'local' junior players when clubs continually poach young ones - Thwaites at Cockburn, Nix at Wolves, Mansfield at Suns, Allen at Redbacks??
Maybe BWA should look to introduce a similar concept used in Melbourne whereby each age group team are only allowed to have 2 'imports' in an age group, this would remove 'stacking' of teams and increase competitiveness at a junior level which in turn will increase the skill development that will hopefully ensure a more competitive NBL1 competition.
I think that the inequality of players dispersed in all teams may see a noncompetitive NBL1 competition until some experienced 'imports' arrive and at a WABL level a weaker competition delivering juniors not ready for the big leagues.
any post that references the montreal screwjob is worthy of recognition. well done.
the clubs that pedal their little slogans and marketing campaigns are generally creating a rod for their own back when it comes to scrutiny from those in the basketball community.
Lakeside Lightning "where its more than a game" have screwed so many people over the years. Coaches and players. None more recent than the departure of their womens coach in controversial circumstances.
Joondalup Wolves "the strength of the wolf is in the pack", until your not as good as someone outside the pack and the club just buys them in.
Cockburn Cougars "Cougar Family" except that they spend a considerable amount of time and effort recruiting from other clubs. Your family until they find someone better, and they are always looking for someone better.
The fact is, every club just wants to win. Every club recruits from other clubs. Every club will put their best possible team on the floor within the budget and means and contacts they have. Drop all the slogans and catch phrases and we can all move on without having to hear all this dribble about values that aren't upheld.
I can personally comment here that a number of junior players WANT to stay, however are pushed out at dleague/sbl level due to coaches wanting to bring in 'bought' players as they are unable to or dont want to provide the development that they need, despite all the years invested in them as juniors and their loyalty to the club.
Many juniors then move clubs with the promise of 'development' which coaches are unable to do so they then seek the assistance of external coaching programs which simply do not align with the clubs playing style, therefore they are 'moved' along to the next promise land of development and minutes to be played
Coaches honesty is getting lost and the integrity of some coaches is letting our game down all to win a premiership.. this is why player loyalty no longer exists
112 is partially right, surely the majority of juniors would prefer to stay at their original club, but the pathway bottlenecks so much after u18s. Every year another crop of juniors all age out and the next step is D league/SBL, where there is usually limited opportunities. It means strong junior clubs will always get raided. Watch the current crop of u16 girls at willo, they had 2 teams in champ division this year and finished 1,2 which means they must have the majority of talent in that age group. In a couple of years time, how the hell could willo possibly keep them all and give them opportunities in D league/SBL?
Agreed, they need to follow the boys WABL program and put in a Under 20 competition. There are alot of great players who can play 20's but not D/league/SBL ready and this would keep alot of girls in the program, especially as it aligns with the Under 20 state program
Why not expand D league and let clubs enter as many teams as they want? BWA's job is to grow the sport. If you end up with too many teams for one comp, then grade it D1 & D2How does that help? You're basically just giving D-League its own D-League, and shuffling the problem around. Those Willetton girls aren't going to settle for Div 3 D-League if they can play NBL1 for a different club.
There has to be an elite level, at which most players will simply have to drop away, or the whole thing is pointless. When that happens, weaker clubs are going to drop more players than stronger clubs, and the weaker players from the stronger clubs will move to fill those spots.
The only way you can fix that is by somehow mandating parity in the junior ranks, so no club has more good players than any other club, meaning they all filter through at the same rate. And a compulsory retirement age for all SBL players, so spots are opened up at the right time.
I think what started this discussion was kids not necessarily wanting to move, but having no option because the pathway was clogged. Mandating parity is a bit counterproductive, it gives clubs no incentive to grow their own, because if they get a big strong crop like those willo girls then their reward is watching them being forced to head elsewhere. WOuldn't it be better a better reward for willo to have a few D league teams and if they were graded then they might have all 3 in D1 if they are good enough. Kalamunda struggled to field a team for the D league GF, but other clubs probably could've fielded a couple of teams for the season. NBL1 can be open slather as there is potentially money involved, but being forced to move clubs that aren't near where you live when you're paying to play is a good way to lose participants
IMO there will need to be some change on both men and women sides to cater for more players coming thru the WABL funnel and needing a pathway to keep the better players involved. With the change to divisions at WABL 4-5 years ago we are now seeing 4 divisions of boys and girls at U/16, and this year there was 3 divisions of u/18 men - so it is just a matter of time before WABL/BWA needs to look at where do these players go...perhaps its Dleague and some sort of youth league (u23 for men/ u21 for women) or what? It would be disappointing for everyone if the time and effort spent to get these kids playing WABL do not have somewhere to play besides suburban domestic comps once they graduate from WABL and only the elite ones play NBL1.
Youth League in Victoria works really well but it is also done right. They make it worthwhile for those players as a legitimate stepping stone to BIG V or NBL1.
Court announcer, player intros, full score bench and stats.
Compare that to our D League and some teams having to play at 6:30pm on a sunday night out on a back court somewhere with nobody watching. Or rocking up to a game to play and half the players are hung over and having to fill in with U18 players because other players didn't show up.
If we really focused on this league and lifting the standard and what it means we could see it grow into something exciting and of high interest
Great concept but takes a lot of resources. These other Instagram hero leagues like Underground & AUBL have gone down that path. An u23 league is a good idea, although getting numbers at all clubs may be hard. I guess then we go back to the multiple teams from same club idea. All I know is that right now we have a system with lots of opportunities for juniors but the minute they turn 18 those opportunities evaporate and too many end up leaving the sport. Or maybe we are happy just hearing about yet another footy player who has a basketball background
I'm sure she is related to other members of the club. All in the family.
This is what someone’s was talking about, when you run bs slogans all day long, then sign outside players, you don’t come across as too genuine about being a family club.
Nothing wrong with signing a player like this for the level by any means. But stop selling yourself as being all about the family.
Who knows, but with NBL1 hopefully more clubs will provide a better game night entertainment experience. Wolves, Redbacks, Rockingham did a good job this year so if clubs are marking to their 'local' family market, then provide a product they can go watch
Watching Anons taking marketing slogans at their literal word is hilarious.
That's. Not. How. It. Works.
Do you really think the intent of #cougarfamily was to have an all-australian 20-contract strong Cougar team every year. Kudos to those anons that are that silly/unrealistic.
Start being good for the sport instead of chopping down clubs every chance you get. Cougars are getting better every year, as other clubs have over the years, and it's just standard now that you get slammed online when you do.
Go embrace mediocrity elsewhere, seems to be all Anons care about. It certainly isn't clubs improving to make the sport better that you care about.
TBH anons are probably parents who didn't get their way, or coaches who didn't hit the mark. They always shout the loudest.
Interesting view on the wrecking ball.
Would like to hear your thoughts why it is a joke and your suggestions on improvements.
The alignment of state leagues and NBL is great. It may take a while but the NBL1 will be fantastic for Aust bball and is a major step in the right direction in my opinion.
There are bound to be issues along the way and different levels of 'performance' in the off court activities but we must keep in mind that each club has a different approach and infrastructure setup. Some will nail it, others will struggle but hopefully in the next 3-5 years we have a really solid 2nd tier competition that will improve NBL and also pathways and link back to grassroots.
I believe the biggest issue was the 2nd tier aspect should've been resolved with all states properly and to proceed as one rather than this stagnant approach, there really needs to be higher ups in Basketball Australia having a real look at how the BNSW is running things and to really get them to push to move into the NBL1 bracket.
It really reflects poorly on how its run when all other states were able to hash things out but one and the one is trying to milk upwards of 300% increase in league rego fees for clubs
AUSTRALIAN MENS BASKETBALL TEAM
RANKED 3 2020
JOINED FIBA- 1947
FIBA WORLD CUP
Keep defending a system/infrastructure that clearly doesn't work if you are happy with our results on the world stage.
If you can't see for yourself the Structural problems the ground up rebuild that is required and the possible solutions then I am not about to write the essay that it would take to explain it to you here on this forum.
To continue on in the exact same fashion and expect a different result/outcome is complete insanity.
Defend it if you must.
If you can't see for yourself the changes that need to be implemented from the ground up by looking at the way things are done in the US and more recently in Europe then I'm afraid you are part of the problem.
There are many amongst the Australian basketball community that agree that as a nation where basketball is the fastest growing sport we have clearly built the system from the ground up incorrectly.
It is only prehistoric dinosaurs such as yourself that continue to pretend all is well, and defend BA to the death Inspite of the obvious lack of performance internationally.
Denial is not a river in Egypt.
I guess that's why all professional or semi professional leagues in Australia continue to contract players out of the US to play in Australia.
Let's face it, if it wasn't for the quality of the US players coming out of the US system hardly anyone would watch professional Australian basketball and it would be financially unviable.
Once again I've awoken a dinosaur hell bent on defending the honour of BA and a losing track record.
Keep purchasing top dollar US Kids
To keep your jobs.
Exactly,and how many of those 10 Australians are truly home grown products?
Most of them have to pursue their path through the US college system.
But nevertheless the dinosaurs will point to them as a prime example of the great job BA us doing.
Claiming them as our own when they are clearly US products.
Went through centre of excellence then went to the US as the level of competition in Australia is shit.
New youth league packed with under performing, under trained local talent with minimum opportunity for elite level experience, sounds like more of the same old strategy to me.
Same pig but with lipstick on it.
Ah yes, the bball trainers and academy's for those 5ft untalented kiddies with no potential who's parents can afford to buy them moderate success resulting in numerous plastic wabl trophies,
And a season or two in d league if they're lucky.
I don't blame those trainers they are merely filling the hole in a market that has been created by BA's hopeless system/structure.
Don't hate the players hate the game.
Pesava is a great pickup for them along with Atkinson
Ballantyne and Garang were brilliant for them in WCC. Klazstorny was also a real solid performer for them.
Really starting to get a nice Aussie core out there.
Noah Hinkley has some great potential as does Sam Morrow.
Creek is doing some good things with that program
With the Magic hoping to have Ben Smith and Jerami Grace back next year (along with two imports), maybe Atkinson and Hunt saw the writing on the wall.
That said, they will find it very difficult to get any imports, so that idea has backfired. Smith, Atkinson, Hunt, Parker and Grace would have been a handy all-Aussie line-up.
You heard it here first, expect Riley Parker to sign with the Cairns Marlins for NBL1 North in 2021. Very close with Taipans assistant Lennon Smart and it is believed he is currently finalising a deal whilst over in Cairns visiting Smart. Fire sale at Mandurah is complete, and the old battle of Magic vs Slammers for the Wooden Spoon is well and truly alive in 2021
"Any position at an NBL club is higher than 99% of the people who post here.. who cares if hes paid or not. He still has the position." Exactly right. He volunteers time and has employment doing what he loves. Better than the $40 a day that 99% of the people that post here get on Job Seeker.
Straight from the online roster tracker
Pretty sure the same mob that were there last year (or years prior to that) are still there.
Cowan, De Sousa, Morgan, Dunhill, Muir, Roberts, Graham, Morgan (Tia), Benn.
Does anyone have any Cougars who have missed out because of these signings? Don't think there is any. Please don't say the Taylor sisters.
They've been mediocre for too long (AKA forever), pretty sure it's time to build some depth in that program.
Someone had to do it, and whoever did, was always going to get criticised because there are enough out there who enjoy Cougars being terrible.
But anyway, keep throwing shade because that's what we do on here..
If 823029 isn't TT himself. Make it less obvious mate and we look forward with the new signings to you finally proving you know how to coach rather than ride one medal winning performance with 3 future Australian reps for the next ten years with little to no return. Is there actual skill there or has the mouth / ego just got you everything with very little talent, 2021 will show us all now won't it.
Rintala and M Jacobs to both join Knowles at the Flames in 2021
Try 2014 when it was widely used by the women's team in their inaugural Championship run. TT was a men's player for the Flames then so makes sense it's something he "borrowed" too. Maybe the Rocko heirarchy should pay Mad Dog McClennan a contract to KO old mate TT again - who can't come up with his own ideas and slogans, just like he did back in 2014 in front of the Flames bench
Someone has a beef that's for sure. Also, why do people think that going from WABL to SBL is a simple transition. Of course people are going to recruit. Unfortunately some junior coaches don’t understand that being a good WABL player doesn’t always transition to seniors. They are normally the coaches that boast about how many WABL games they have won. Newsflash - no one cares if you have won 100 WABL championships. Move on. Improve your young athletes, develop them for the future of SBL instead of trying to win every WABL game. Your job as a WABL coach is to develop, not win. Maybe if you got it right then coaches wouldn’t need to recruit as much?
Anyone know what the go is with "restricted" players for NBL1?
Will majority of lynx players will now be considered "restricted" for NBl1?
Steindl, Ciabattoni, Isenbarger, Edwards, J.Wiliams, Clinch-Hoycard, N.Williams, Burrows all played SBL/West Coast Classic 2020.
Alex Sharp, Emma Clarke will be hot prospect for clubs for 2021 also..
Any athlete who played WNBL in 2019/20 - their minutes from that season counts towards their status.
Any athlete who DID NOT play WNBL in 2019/20 - their minutes from THIS season counts towards their status.
On that basis, Perry Lakes will be spewing about Clarke, as will Joondalup about Steindl. Both on track to be restricted.
Maddie Allen also restricted despite not playing this season.
Isenbarger close but unlikely to reach threshold, while Burrows is based on last year so will not be restricted.
Fun and games.
I think some clubs are going to be in a world of hurt with no imports being allowed if the story is correct.
I'd say it would be near on impossible to get them into the country without spending thousands. There'd be no working holiday visas available and sports visas wouldn't be high on the priority of the Government, unless there are NBL budgets associated with it.
I understand that imports will be allowed but there will be quarantine requirements which add significant cost. wont be an issue for the wolves and flames of the competition but for those who have far smaller budgets you could imagine it would be a dealbreaker
on another note, Trevor Gleeson seen coaching wolves at state champs
^^ not quite correct.
The main issue is getting immigration to approve the VISA.
Clubs advised to prepare on the basis they won't be approved in time.
So yes they are allowed, but immigration may not let them in. Will prioritise NBL imports, but not NBL1.
Imports will be almost impossible to get if they aren't already here in Australia . Visas are pretty much not going to be made available by the government for potential imports. Teams like Stirling and Perth who have an import already in the Australia are in a much better position than most in this regard. Pretty sure nothing has changed on that front since this past season.
From the Kalgoorlie Miner...
The Goldfields Giants have suffered a significant loss in their tall stocks ahead of the 2021 NBL1 season following the departure of Majier Garang.
Goldfields released Garang from his one-year contract on Tuesday after the 206cm forward made clear his desire to return to Perth for personal reasons.
While Garang was deemed an important part of the club's plans, Giants president Russell Duncan said player welfare needed to be prioritised.
"Majier requested a release from his contract and said he wanted to get back to Perth," Duncan said.
“We’re not going to stop him if he’s not happy in Kalgoorlie anymore.
“Over the last month, maybe before Christmas, he was a bit back-and-forth about what he was doing so we sort of let him make his decision.
“The last week or so when he was talking to (head coach Wayne Creek), basically we ended up saying to him 'look, if you’re going to stay, make the commitment. If not, we’re happy to release you from your playing commitments to us’.
“He then confirmed the decision to move on the other day.
“We definitely wanted him to stay and we told him he was a preferred player.
“It’s a bit unfortunate but player welfare is of the utmost importance.”
Cougars got a new logo today. Love him or hate him (I'm most often a hater), TT actually can administrate pretty bloody well. Their launch was pro-level quality today, no club is putting out stuff like that. It’s getting attention
if somehow they can translate it onto the NBL1 floor - he’ll administrate at the next level. And it pains me to say that.
sounds like a few moving pieces happening in the mens
hawks picking up big Andy Ferg from Lakeside and Willo picking up Vigor also from Lakeside
wolves picked up kiwi joel vaingaina (sorry for the spelling) who played in the blitz for them last year and looked decent.
giants adding a kiwi/Sudanese guy who also looks decent. adding to Atkinson, pesava, Ballantyne, klaztorny and a few other handy players.
With so much uncertainty and restriction - who is going to gamble on imports.
Going to be a huge gap between those who get it right and those who don't
Goldfields is a downgrade on last year's team - yet it is an impressive lineup in the circumstances
they need a new coach?
creek dragged them out of the gutter and back into the playoffs for the first time in forever
the giants have had a revolving door of coaches over the last 10 years and the majority of them weren't able to achieve success.
Players like Ballantyne and Klaztorny got plenty of opportunity in Mandurah as far as minutes but had no where near the output they have had since moving to Kal. Coaching must be terrible!
Why are players like Pesava and Atkinson choosing to go there despite almost any metro club willing to take either of them in a heart beat
with clubs not going for imports there is plenty of $$$ going around for local players. Particularly for those with pro experience.
to think Giants would have more $ to offer these guys than the metro clubs is not accurate in current climate.
Wolves and Flames for one are clubs with big budgets for players.
Kalgoorlie isn't the most appealing place to live either.
Creek must be doing something right to attract these players
Who's whinging other than one keyboard warrior by the sounds of it.
Giants lost 2 players this past season and recruited accordingly by the looks and now have other players coming to town that want a game.
What local players have been pushed back, there hasn't been a lot of talent out there.
So looking at their 2020 team before COVID, the Giants have lost 4 players and replaced them with 4 players - so what's the problem?
Garang >> Collins
Malek >> Deng
Hammell >> Atkinson
Jones >> Pesava
All 4 guys that they've picked up have overseas experience.
They've obviously decided to recruit based on having no imports this year - a wise move it seems, and other clubs (who were relying on imports on 2021) are in trouble.
Pre-season Power rankings NBL1 women
1. Rockingham - Burrows, Ciabattoni, Garbin (availability?)
2. Perry Lakes - McKay, Burton, Sharpe (?)
3. Joondalup - Steindl, Williams, Denehey
4. Cockburn - Edwards, Simmons, Mathews
5. Suns - Roscoe, Mansfield, Williams
6. Warwick - Barr, Hepburn, Hoycard
7. Willetton - Sharpe (?) with any extra signings will compete
8. Lakeside - Isenbarger, Pirini, Clarke, not much else.
9. Redbacks - Allen, Dyer
10. Magic - Milo, Boag, nothing else
11. East Perth - Fejo?
12. Slammers - in big trouble
It was a test to see who would pick up on it first. It will be very interesting to see what kind of a team Nener can put together in his first season in charge of the club he grew up at. Also nice to see Lakeside finally got their sh!t together and got new rings and backboards - Now if they can just upgrade from the 1994-circa scoreboards on courts 2 - 4 maybe then people might actually enjoy playing rep basketball at the Church.
I can't understand why they are using WNBL season 19/20 as a basic of mins/restricted status? Was this year not considered a "real" season? Being in a hub has no relevance, still played games for points culminating with a finals series..Because the lack of imports and some significant local talent meant players who wouldn't normally be anywhere near being restricted ended up playing significant minutes.
And Sorry, Parsons took Cockburn sponsorship money and tipped straight into the program. Helps when your boy Grover was SBL director. It was when they couldn't pay him the $10k that he thought he was worth, he quit.
Heart and balls boys, heart and balls. That’s the catch cry that wins championships. Hope they know their selfless coach will support them until he wants more money.
Bet Parsons is flat Trev hasn’t rung him yet.
Parsons best coach in the SBL easily.
Won championships at 2 clubs without the best playing list.
Tyrone doing unbelievable job, why the hate?
All numbers up across the board, does Petersen help that?
100%, and is he the main driving force, who knows maybe.
But well done on Tyrone or ever got him to the club.
Dont understand why the hate the club is flying so well done!
Earlier this year
USA to WA Wolves sign their first import Jonathan Wade
The Joondalup Wolves are excited to announce the signing of Jonathan Wade for the 2021 NBL1 West season.
The 6'5" guard born in the United States is about to make a name for himself in Western Australia. Signing with the Wolves for the NBL1, Jonathan is our first American import for the 2021 season. Jonathan played Division 1 college basketball at Norfolk State University where he averaged 19.3 ppg as a Senior. Since college he has played professionally in Europe where he spent two seasons with Pully Basket in Switzerland and Z Mobile Prishtina in the Kosovo Super League. Prior to COVID Jonathan had signed to play with Hawkes Bay in the NZNBL. The Wolves are looking forward to Jonathan joining us for the NBL1 season and can’t wait to see what he can bring to the league in 2021.
Jonathan spoke to the Joondalup Wolves about signing with the Wolves and becoming a part of the NBL1 in 2021.
"One of the main reasons that I signed with the Wolves is their level of professionalism. The communication from the coaching staff, facilities and how we connected right away was big for me. Also knowing that they have a culture of winning is what I want to be a part of and to be able to potentially play for a Championship is exciting.”
“I am really excited to be a part of the NBL1 and playing in the NBL1 West. Before I got to Australia, I always heard good things about the league when I was in Europe. I told myself last year that I wanted to play in this league and show what I can do and now it is a reality!” Added Wade.
Joondalup Wolves CEO and Men’s Head Coach Andrew Summerville shared his thoughts on Jonathan joining the Wolves for the 2021 NBL1 West season.
“Getting Jonathan was huge for our club. With the current environment and travel restrictions, getting American imports this year was always going to be a challenge. We were fortunate to find Jonathan who although being an American, currently lives in Melbourne with his Australian wife Kiara. Jonathan has been on our radar for 2 years and this year was the right time to sign him. Over the holiday period I had a coffee with him in Melbourne and we hit it off straight away.”
“He fits our needs perfectly, he can play multiple positions, can shoot the ball, defend and rebound at an elite level. His versatility will give us many options, but his unselfishness will compliment our other players perfectly. He is a mature, intelligent, well-rounded man and I can’t wait to coach him.” Added Summerville.
Jonathan will be joining Lochlan Cummings, Seb Salinas, Reece Maxwell, Joel Vaiangina, Hamish Warden and Jordan Wellsteed on the Wolves Men’s 2021 roster.
Early picks for 2021:
Defending champs (well WCC at least) getting everyone back plus more.
Jervis/Hire/Beard/Durnin/Godfrey/Hussey is a quality line-up.
'Big' frontcourt plus solid shooters and guards surrounding them.
Active offseason and have a couple more rabbits to pull out.
Egos the only thing holding them back.
Picked up some quality Aussies.
Pozoglou and Hunt are good additions.
8. Eastern Suns
Top-8 if Timms plays, bottom-6 if he doesn't.
Lost a couple of key players and no replacements apart from a Vigorous rumour.
No news out of Lakeside apart from who they have lost.
No Hunt, no Shaw, no Ralph, no Wundenberg, no chance.
No announcements but not looking good.
Smith and Grace replace Atkinson and Hunt in a team that finished 1-12. Same same.
Same as Eagles but with even less depth.
Perthworld the Wolves aren't really that organized. Wade was offered to numerous teams. The other teams he got offered to all passed.
Oh ok he must be bad then as it's not the right time as a club to be choosey with the whole COVID situation?
Fletcher Klasztorny, Jerome Reid and Brandon Holloway back for the Giants according to their Facebook page.
Seven players signed so far:
C - Collins
F - Kuany
F - Atkinson
F - Klasztorny
G - Reid
G - Pesava
G - Holloway
Would assume some more to come such as Ballantyne, Cummings, Lawrence etc.
NZ NBL granted exemptions for imports under critical worker status
Should this be considered for NBL1 by Australian gov?
American imports are not semi professional. they may play in a semi professional league but they would be essentially paid professionals.
is any athlete a critical worker?
the NBL have been able to get American imports for their league. would the same principles not apply?
#458, you would think the rules would be the same but scumo bunch of mates saying it's not. Chargers are now trying to approach the federal government to get some guard in. If allowed it’ll be interesting to see who pays all the dollars for flights, quarantine etc, that’s probably 10g already before wages, accommodation etc.
Earlier this year
There will be no Blitz this year due to the timing of the season.
Historically the Blitz is held on the Labour Day long weekend at the beginning of March, which has generally been 2 weeks before round 1 - perfect timing for a pre-season tournament.
But with this season not starting until the middle of April, it's a bit pointless holding a pre-season tournament 6-7 weeks before round 1. Some clubs haven't even started full training yet.
Personally think its great for the game that cougars are been proactive. Havent seen many other clubs doing good consistent media campaigns and engagements. To be honest they are starting to set an expectation on what can be done while a lot of clubs are still trying to figure out what they want to be with 9 weeks to produce.
People move clubs for different reasons, no issues there. But if you are leading inbound clearances every year, then just own it and maybe tone down the family club stuff, because it doesn't really align with where your players come from compared to other clubs who don't lead the inbound clearances every year.
Mandurah magic looking for a new women's coach after the resignation of Craig watts as head coach after just one season / two but does the wc classic really count no. the number of departures and resignations from that club both on/off the court is astonishing .
Must be the new tactic clubs are having to resort to, get opposing political parties promising clubs what they want...
A re-elected McGowan Labor Government will deliver $253,335 fund sporting groups across the Joondalup electorate.
Joondalup Wolves Basketball Association to receive $30,000 to purchase
a dedicated vehicle;
Earlier this year
I wouldn't think there is much effort put in by clubs to cheat the salary cap.
There are always accusations that teams are going over the so called cap, and sometimes it is probably true.
Unless things have changed, all contracts are delivered to BWA in a sealed envelope and are not opened unless there is a formal enquiry. I'm not sure this has ever happened.
Then there is the 'flexibility' for clubs to pay for other activities that don't count to the salary. Some clubs are more creative here than others (I have heard a big club once had a player being paid as personal trainer for a board member...)
I highly doubt any club is bringing imports out on 'illegal' visa and risking being on wrong side of immigration department.
Potential starting 5's based on who has been signed so far...
C - Holmes
F - Field
F - Rogers
G - Pozoglou
G - Chan
C - Kearing
F - Thwaites
F - Offereins
G - Berry
G - Filpo
C - Paringatai
F - Inger
F - Muo
G - Mines *
G - Narkle
C - Collins
F - Kuany
F - Atkinson
G - Pesava
G - Holloway
C - Huntington
F - Vaiangina
F - Wade *
G - Formosa
G - Cummings
C - Blanchett
F - Johnson *
G - Reath
G - Dinardo
G - Aylett
F - Davey
F - Shervill
F - Bowie *
G - Isenbarger *
G - Armour
C - Smith
F - Simpson
F - Cannell
G - Parker
G - Grace
C - Ferguson
F - Thomas
F - Purser
G - Smith
G - Clarke
C - Timms
F - Gattorna
F - White *
G - Nelson
G - Wagner
C - Jervis
F - Hire
F - Durnin
G - J.Beard
G - Godfrey
C - Pickwood-Pitt
F - Keller
G - England
G - Barrett
G - Richardson
C - Davis
F - Ellis
G - King *
G - Swaka Lo Buluk
G - Wroe
C - Vigor
F - Elder
G - Scott
G - Mincherton
G - Black
Earlier this year
If the teams were stay like that, my predictions would be
5. Lightning (Shervill not available for a while)
8. Redbacks (White won't get back in the country)
10. Eastern Suns
Travers signing with Flames?? hahahahahahahahaha.
Not a chance. If he plays NBL1 it'll be with Cockburn. Just a question of whether he stays in Perth in the off-season.
Anyone who tries anything else is wasting their breath.
Anyone know how many minutes Petrik spent supporting juniors at grading this past 4 weeks???
My guess, donuts.
Anon 141 probably about the same amount of time that hanging with Mr Cooper did for Cockburn juniors watching grading - People in glass houses hey! Ryan and Brad both speak with Trav regularly and given roughly half of trav's team is still training with the nbl1 squad... All bar one who have all come up with the one club unlike others spruiking on here, then it's safe to say that Ryan is more than aware of what's happening in the junior ranks. You lot just worry about which club you're poaching from next in your adopted "family"
Preseason means what. Chance to try new combos, give new players a run to see if they are capable of getting regular minutes in coming season. Generally those who boast about wins preseason do so cause they know that come the season wins are going to be few and far between.
My final 6 is:
Lightning miss out on the top-6 because of uncertainty over Shervill's availability, and the status of the two injury-prone imports, plus Armour who's coming off an ACL injury.
Breaking the playoffs down:
(1) Top half of the draw:
Wolves (1st) vs Hawks (4th)
C - Huntington vs Ferguson - Ferguson wins
F - Vaiangina vs Thomas - Even
F - Wade vs Purser - Even
G - Formosa vs Smith - Formosa wins
G - Cummings vs Clarke - Cummings wins
Wolves get the win.
Senators (2nd) vs Flames (3rd)
C - Davis vs Jervis - Even
F - Ellis vs Hire - Hire wins
F - King vs Durnin - King wins
G - Swaka Lo Buluk vs Beard - SLB wins
G - Wroe vs Godfrey - Godfrey wins
Senators just get the win due to home court advantage.
(2) Bottom half of the draw
Giants and Redbacks make it through against the 7th and 8th-placed teams. No White for Redbacks though as I don't reckon he will come back.
Hawks (4th) vs Giants (5th)
C - Ferguson vs Collins - Ferguson wins
F - Thomas vs Kuany - Kuany wins
F - Purser vs Atkinson - Purser wins
G - Smith vs Pesava - Pesava wins
G - Clarke vs Holloway - Even
Hawks just get the win due to home court advantage.
Flames (3rd) vs Redbacks (6th)
C - Jervis vs Timms - Even
F - Hire vs Gattorna - Hire wins
F - Durnin vs Jackson - Even
G - Beard vs Nelson - Nelson wins
G - Godfrey vs Wagner - Godfrey wins
Flames get the win
Wolves (1st) vs Flames (3rd)
C - Huntington vs Jervis - Even
F - Vaiangina vs Hire - Hire wins
F - Wade vs Durnin - Wade wins
G - Formosa vs Beard - Formosa wins
G - Cummings vs Godfrey - Even
Wolves get the win
Senators (2nd) vs Hawks (4th)
C - Davis vs Ferguson - Even
F - Ellis vs Thomas - Even
F - King vs Purser - Even
G - Swaka Lo Buluk vs Smith - SLB wins
G - Wroe vs Clarke - Even
A tight one but the Senators get the bickies.
Wolves vs Senators
Whats happening with the league website and social media? Month out from the season.. the old SBL website has been left untouched since the NBL1 merge (probably for historical sakes, makes sense). The NBL1West link on the NBL1 website is still broken. The Nbl1west facebook page has had about 2 posts in the past month. Some teams are yet to announce any players. Games would have usually started this past weekend..
Now that the usual scape goats have left the coaching ranks (Vale Lakovic and Ettridge), who is going to cop the attention of the forum for the inaugural NBL1 West season? Surely it has to be Parsons @ Hawks? After choking in the WCC grand final (who would leave their star out there in a 4pt game, 8 min to go after he gets his 4th foul?). Or will it be the prodigal son who's returned to his home stomping ground to return the club to its glory days? Can the CEO/Head Coach despot from the land of Green become the target? Who's your $$ on?
All platforms come out of head office in Victoria. Hearing and seeing what a debacle bigV has been in their first week, I think nbl1 are in over their head right now and struggling to deliver everything they promised.
Any naming rights sponsor yet?
Head of nbl1 nationally, the guy rolling out all the promises, is now also the head of bigV in Victoria.
BigV are using all of the same streaming and new stats platforms that nbl1 teams have been told of a few weeks ago.
Round 1 of bigV has been an absolute shambles.
There is a lot they need to apologise for, the lack of website implementation, lack of training, support and testing of the new online web page stats program they have to use, still waiting for the updates on training using the new camera set up... with 6 weeks before tip off miracles can be worked..
With the Under 20 Aus Champs going ahead in May and and some great juniors contracted to play in the NBL1 West been selected, they have provisionally been advised they will be unavailable from Round 2 - 5. How will this impact on some of the teams if they unable to participate in NBL1 games.
True, however with 2 mens teams going it may test a clubs depth and maybe create more issue for the dleague teams. On girls side there is possibly 1 or 2 clubs that will lose a starter.
I presume the round 2-5 is in case there is a change in the border rules and they have to quarantine on return.
Lets be honest here, the U20 players being away will have absolutely no bearing on nearly every team in NBL1 west (men).
Magic yes but they arent winning more than 2-3 games anyway
Slammers yes but they arent winning more than 2-3 games either
Earlier this year
MIP - Travers
Who has he signed for people? Not Cockburn who have a full roster. Not Rockingham who have just completed their roster with two players of African heritage. Doesn't leave many other options given the price tag that was associated with him in the off-season
Earlier this year
Now I am one of two things - Someone who is a parent of a long term Rockingham wabl player and two, somebody who knows TT and admires what he has done at the Cougars. That being said, I find it rather alarming when on a scorebench at the McIntyre Moore Cup being held at Mike Barnett today when a Cougars parent gets angry with us as a club because according to TT in his role as GM, he has blamed the Flames for not wanting to use computers today for scoring purposes and instead use paper scoresheets like the olden days. This is in direct conflict to what he told the Flames WABL Committee when he said his parents were not organised enough to register in time when notified two weeks ago by our WABL Director, yet somehow the Flames had all of our players registered in under three days. I get you would rather blame another club than admit you didn't trust your own members to be organised enough to register, but in this instance Tyrone you have once again shown your lack of professionalism at times when you could just admit you are human, you made a mistake and everyone just moves forward. Otherwise that Cougars Family you so proudly boast about may turn on you when they hear you bad mouthing them to other clubs, particulary your southern rivals.
This is hilarious. TT will need security soon with the amount of haters on here.
And because of a scoring issue too, Gee whiz.
Have a beer with the guy. You'll actually find he’s genuine and one of the brightest sporting admin minds basketball has.
Sure he’s passionate, assertive and decisive, but he’s far from unprofessional.
Those sort of statements just highlight ignorance from this watching in the distance.
He’s the reason Simon Petersen left lakeside.
He’s the reason Gavin Field gets paid for the first time in his career.
He’s the reason the club is in the most sustainable position in its history.
We need more people like him, not less.
So get back in your box, unless you want more administrators like East Perth and Bunbury.
Someone help out this rocko parent. Listening to 1 parent and assuming that's what TT told the members haha.
Every single manager got a message from Him explaining Cougars wanted to use paper so parents didn’t have to register into a database for the 800th time. But you keep doing you Flames parent.
Or if you want to talk unprofessional how's the Flames President stopping a 20’s game for cougars having 12 players, forcing the refs to dish out two technicals, only to be corrected and told he’s an imbecile and that you can have 12.
Glass houses something something
Michaels is legit. Whoever signed him has a gem there. Should be in the NBL
Ross gets numbers but is a bit like a westbrook type. not necessarily someone who transforms a team into a winner. but he will get numbers.
Humphries is handy and will definitely be a good player there. i think he had some issues with his body when he was playing for the Giants here. but he was productive
Another troll from TT
while she is on the east coast for olympic camps Garbin will play there. After the olympics she will play at Flames. Anyone educated in basketball knew that would happen in an olympic year
cockburn people need to get a life
With the season less than 2 weeks out, I wonder how many clubs are actually organised and ready for NBL1 compliance come game night. Many teams in pre-season games wearing old SBL branded uniforms etc.
Lets hope all club administration is organised or it will be a bad look for round 1...
I went and saw the Suns vs Giants and Wolves vs Giants games this weekend, and this is my take on the recruits for each team, and what I think of each teams' prospects.
The Giants lost both games in overtime after holding double-digit leads in both contests.
Import Johnson is a solid unit who could average a double-double this year. Can score inside/outside and is a good pick-up for the Suns. Ex-Eagle Reath can shoot the ball but took shots he shouldn't have which hurt the team at times. Ex-Redbacks swingman Bank Majok and ex-Eagles guard Malie were non-factors.
The Suns were missing Carl Aylett and Corey Easley and they will certainly add depth. However, despite beating the Giants in OT, they don't really have that x-factor and I struggle to see them better that 8th-10th.
Pesava is a big signing for the Giants and will be their best player, and one of the best players in the comp. Atkinson was a bit down in the first game after getting into foul trouble but was one of their best against the Wolves. Despite not standing out, Kuany and Collins were solid in both games and add size to the Giants after they lost both Garang and Malek. The big surprise was the head coach's son Cooper Creek who must be having a break from college. At 6-9" he showed a lot, including his Dad's shot blocking prowess.
You add Klasztorny, Ballantyne and Reid to the mix and the Giants are deep. Seven of those 8 players having European or college experience, and on top of that there was the injured Holloway on the bench and also ex-Wolves guard Hamish Cummings suiting up as well. Despite their OT losses, the Giants will surprise many, and once they sort out their rotations, and who will actually start, I can see them in the 5th to 8th zone.
Import Wade was very good and will challenge for NBL1 West leading scorer this year. On the flipside Formosa was underwhelming and Kiwi Vaiagina was disappointing, quite often being outplayed by fellow countryman Collins. I certainly didn't see anything with Vaiagina that suggests he will get another run with the Tall Blacks like he did a few months ago. Formosa didn't show me anything that said he should get minutes in front of some of the younger Wolves players. Majier Garang also suited up for the Wolves but wasn't much of a factor.
Despite winning in OT against a tired Giants line-up, to be honest the Wolves were disappointing. They were only missing 35yo Trian Iliadis and I didn't see a team who will finish top of the ladder like some are suggesting. Huntington was serviceable at best and Salinas hit a couple of late shots, but it was Wade, Reece Maxwell and Lachie Cummings who got them over the line. If the rumour is true and they get back Lee Roberts then it's a different story, but if that is their team for 2021 then I can see them around 3rd to 5th.
Thanks anonymous, I am aware of that. I mentioned the second import (Roberts), and the problem Ironmonger and Newton will encounter will be trying to get minutes in front of Wade, Formosa, Cummings, Wellsteed, Salinas and Iliadis. Good luck with that. Effectively they will become non-factors, hence why I didn't mention them.
good to see Quentin Calder got the afternoon off work so he could rip into flames again. sad to see
just because you got fired at flames pal, it's all good, just let it go. the cougars men’s team only have Rocko coaches, at least flames can create their own coaches
Guy is quick to forget how much the club helped him and his family raising thousands of dollars for them after the tragic and sudden loss of his sona couple of years ago, yet this is how he repays them. Only cares about his ego and sunshine academy. He negativity and need to always be right will eventually see him banished from the Cougars too no doubt
Stoop that low? Simply pointing out how much trouble one person caused Over the past three years despite Rockingham greatly assisting him and his family at a time when they needed it most, yet now he's on here posting negative comments about the club on the regular. Or convincing up and coming young Cockburn coaches, well technically the kid grew up at Rockingham then learnt his coaching trade at Perth, but that makes him part of this adopted family they want to claim - Convincing said younger coaches from his own club to covertly film a scratch match then vehemently denying it despite several witnesses when approached by club officials.
Did your Men's head coach and state under 18 metro head coach condone this behaviour whilst he was away at nationals? Or was this just further evidence of QC and TT making their own rules as they go along then posting negative crap on here about the other club, when they get caught red handed? THAT is the definition of stooping low old mate.
Earlier this year
I have to say after reading this post it disappoints me to see how immature and petty alot of people from both clubs have gotten on here. People move clubs for various reasons - get over it. Show some maturity and deal with it like adults rather than teenagers who dont know any better. If you don't like someone from another club, then just avoid them or plain and simply ignore them. Don't get on here and spread BS just for an ego boost. I have friends at both clubs, a couple at the Cougars who I respect highly and talk to often. At the end of the day we need to remember why we get involved with basketball in the first place - to make kids, coaches, refs, scorebench officials and anyone else who wants to enjoy the best sport in the world, and make them as good as possible in a fun environment where you bust your ass to win each week but do it with class, sportsmanship and mateship.
To the absolute A$$ clown who went way too far bringing up Q's family stuff, having coached the kid and also working with Q and the family to organise a memorial game after the kid's passing, I find it highly offensive from a Rocko perspective for anyone to bring that up on a public forum and use it as slander against a guy who, admits his faults, but at the end of the day is just the same as me and you - loves the sport and wants to share that passion with as many as possible. So he didn't work out with the Flames, who cares. From what those I am close with up in Hammy Hill tell me he has been nothing but great for them and we should be happy that we have someone with his experiences, particularly from another country, who wants to be involved in our player and coach development. Q and I haven't always seen eye to eye but there is a mutual respect there and whoever that Anon was above, I hope you have the courage to at least make yourself known to me in the next week or so as to why you feel it necessary and ok to be so vindictive and personal about such a sensitive issue, particularly when alot of us still involved at the Flames had something to do with the kid during his time at the club. Ridiculously poor form to say the least!
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