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Last year

Deano to coach Rockets men

NBL 1 MEN'S HEAD COACH APPOINTMENT

Didn't see this coming....

The North Adelaide Rockets are delighted to announce that Dean Nyberg has been appointed Head Coach of the North Adelaide NBL 1 men’s team for 2021 and 2022.
Dean moves to the Rockets after a very successful coaching stint at the Southern Tigers where he coached their Premier League Men’s team for four years, culminating in two Championships (2016 & 2018) and two other finals appearances (2017 - Runners Up & 2019).

Just as important to our North Adelaide club philosophy of developing our junior players, in the four year period Dean was at the helm of the Southern Tigers, he oversaw strong success in the teams linking the junior program to the Premier League team – Reserves and Youth League – with both of these programs each also winning two championships
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Prior to coaching at Southern, Dean was a long-time junior coach at Sturt as well as a Head Coach and Assistant Coach within the South Australian State team and High Performance programs.

Wayne Schild, President commented:
"We were very fortunate with the number of high-quality applicants for this position. Each
applicant offered unique skill sets and experience which made the final selection an extremely difficult task for the selection panel. Dean has a proven track record of success in Premier League (NBL 1), Reserves and Youth League. I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Nathan Hawkes and his support team for their hard work and for restoring our Premier League team to consistently being a strong participant within the league".

On his appointment Dean Nyberg offered the following:
“I'm thrilled to be given the opportunity to take over the North Adelaide Rockets NBL1 Men's team for 2021. It's an exciting time for the Rockets NBL1 program. Nathan (Hawkes, ex-Rockets Head Coach) has done a fantastic job with the group in his tenure and I thank him for the time he put into the program. We know that it will be a really competitive competition next year and that we have even more work to do to not only play finals again, but to take the next step to achieve our ultimate goal.

I'm looking forward to working closely with (Basketball Consultant) Liam Flynn in building a very competitive NBL1 roster as well as promoting a strong relationship with the North Adelaide juniors. With the amount of talent the club continues to produce at junior level, it really is an exciting time to be a part of transitioning those players into senior basketballers.”

Welcome Dean to our North Adelaide Family.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Clearly you know nothing Thanks.

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Deano.

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Anonymous  
Last year

With a big budget he'll do well

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Anonymous  
Last year

Even with a North Adelaide sized budget not being in the same ball park when compared to the big spenders in the league he will still do well

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Anonymous  
Last year

Wow Sturt, who's next? Rockets driving a bulldozer through your front door

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

If he has Marshall and Mcveigh in his lineup he will do well.

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Anonymous  
Last year

North must be real great bulldozing through another club admitting they can't develop their own.

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Anonymous  
Last year

What clubs have a track record of developing their own?

Both Dean and Liam went to Sturt from elsewhere btw. How many NBL1 coaches are homegrown? You can't expect a semi pro competition and then complain because clubs don't run them like it's the 70s.

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Anonymous  
Last year

He won't have McVeigh, and the likelihood of picking up NBL guys is low anyway. If you couple this with a much lower budget that previous stints, I think it will be a big challenge to get the W’s required for playoffs.

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Anonymous  
Last year

What clubs have a track record of developing their own?

Woodville- Whitmore
Sturt - Rigoni
Forestville- Simons
Centrals - Atkins
Eastern - Rojo (I believe that's where he started off coaching but could be wrong)
North - Was Hawkes, played all his senior career there

So quite a high percentage really, considering no local will touch Norwood, everyone thought southern would be declared bankrupt, South a bit of both and West previously had Kubank, Spear, Ali etc who are West through and through.

And Dean will get the money to buy a title like he did at Southern, a bit of that from his own pocket.

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Hanging Round  
Last year

Kubank - West through & through??
What about Corey?

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Hanging Round  
Last year

Kubank - West through & through??
What about Corey?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Hearing North have signed Maher & Forman as Club ambassadors

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Anonymous  
Last year

Renaming court 1 at lightsview "The Todd Gower Court"

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Anonymous  
Last year

I can't imagine them ever naming it after a Norwood junior! Sturt guys are one thing but Norwood is blasphemy out there.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

Would've been nice if Rockets had put something in the release and thanked current caretaker coach Ahmed who stepped up and tookover when Hawkes left earlier in the year when Covid put a stop to everything.

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Anonymous  
Last year

^Why?

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

Because it would have been a respectful thing to do rather than just pushing him to the side as you have someone else, considering he does a lot of individual coaching of Rockets kids and his son plays for the club.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Hanging Round, I'm not sure I get your point...?

Wasn't Corey a Woodville HC for a while?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Sturt will get through this, they've still got Alex Wright.....

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Tjamu  
Last year

was Michael Rogers Norwood before Mavs? or was he mavs, Norwood and then Mavs again?

I first came into contact with Rojo in maybe 2013 when he was at Norwood.

Corey MacLean was North Adelaide, before Woodville to it goes to say.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Corey played all his juniors at West, started coaching at West.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Rogers was a long term Mavs guy before he went to Norwood.

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Anonymous  
Last year

He is a coach, he should have relished the opportunity to coach in the ABC. Doesn't require a public thank you

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Anonymous  
Last year

381, you're a little ray of sunshine aren't you champ?

It's common practice to thank the outgoing coach (even if he was a caretaker) when a new appointment is made.

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Anonymous  
Last year

The main guy in Hawkes was thanked, maybe it would have been nice but in reality he was the caretaker coach for really a c grade competition.

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Anonymous  
Last year

#382 and you are why basketball is SA is stuck in the 70's.

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Anonymous  
Last year

How can you thank someone that wasn't even appointed? Think he was the only one that showed up with a whiteboard.

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Anonymous  
Last year

391 what has thanking someone got to do with the 70s.
Reaching much?

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PlaymakerMo  
Last year

Sending messages of gratitude to outgoing coaches via social media was pretty standard back in the 1970s.

Unless you're referring to the 1870s, where the use of social media was less common as everyone only had Nokias back then.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Back on topic, is this the best they could have done? Is there someone out there they should have appointed instead and is this an upgrade on what they had for the past 5 or so years with Nathan?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Let's not go there. What is done is done now it is time to move forwards with the direction. Looking backwards over the past 5 years or decisions made recently made is futile. Time to look forwards.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Sounds like you're suggesting there was a better outcome possible for them?

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Jock  
Last year

Whow, the ex-Sturt boyz Dean Nyberg, Liam Flynn and Andrew Jantke all at the one club - how rigged is that! Be careful what you wish for North Adelaide Rockets...the three stooges are in town!

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Anonymous  
Last year

What are North Adelaide Rockets wishing for?

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Anonymous  
Last year

They really needed a quality point guard the last few years. Cj Reed showed up a few cheeseburgers overweight, everyone thought he'd work himself into game shape but just remained fat.
Then they got hot headed BJ who never met a shot he didn't like. Dowdell while very good was unnecessary with Starling, should have gone for a decent guard to complement Starling and McVeigh.
Wonder who they recruit, probably half of Sturts team has been spoken too. A lot of shit about development of juniors, might have played reserves and 23s because they didn't get a run in main side.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Rockets have gone past Sturt so fast they've given them windburn. Sturt had 2 once in a generation boys teams come through in quick succession...but it’s looking pretty lean these days... Flynn Nyberg & Jantke are connected to every promising junior player in Adelaide...whoever they want, they will get. The pain has probably only just started....but it’s a good thing....clubs will have to lift their game to keep up.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Sturt will be fine. Their current U18 boys medalled at Classics in 16s and a lot of them in the U16 SA team that medalled too.

That group also has added a lot also and with a year under Jase Williams will be even better.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Depends if one club president also sent selected Sturt kids an email to attend their trials on 15th of November and that club is not North

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jason Williams is a great Coach, but he can't do it all alone. The team you speak of has done nothing, lost Grand Final after Grand Final. It’s a hand picked scholarship team that continues to underachieve, spoon fed silver service development & not delivering the goods.
They’ve been hiding behind Rigoni, Mudronja, White Griffin Dyer Rasmussen Gritsci etc for years & now they’ve been exposed. Couldn’t get out of the group stage at State Champs, sitting mid table in 16s 18s....the mystique is well & truly gone...people don’t rate them, & are going after them big time. Parent power dictates selection down there & guess what? They ain’t that good.They’ve actually got better players in the div 2 team.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Why talk in riddles?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Coaching Directors are the most important role in a club.

The club knows where it all went wrong, when and by whom but now don't have the ability to fix the damage caused. Now the program is a lame duck.

Forestville are watching it all unravel with keen interest indeed.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Forestville!? They have the worst boys program in Adelaide. And their girls rely on the older age groups. They've returned to the Forestville of pre-Wayville.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Lame Duck" is a bit of stretch! Sturt are probably on the poach as we speak, they don't take losing lying down. Rumours of the squeaky wheel parent power down there are the stuff of legend.
Basketball people the calibre of Butler, Flynn, Jantke & Nyberg have all left for varying reasons, but no doubt Sturt would be concerned, not having those Guys weakens the club. That’s why it’s vital they keep Jason Williams at any cost, great Coach, even better Bloke.

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Jock  
Last year

Sturt is in teramole, it's all about the Sturt fraternity and politics - full of crap. And then they recruit Spear and Kubank into the senior team from West Bearcats – since when does a Spear play for Sturt? Granted Kubank played juniors at Sturt, but his family is far more prevalent as a Bearcat than Sabre. No wonder the likes of DeSantis left. Rigoni is a fraud!
And for Forestville, being able to buy players certainly helps win championships. Ask Deano when he was at Southern....

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Anonymous  
Last year

What's a teramole? A lot of moles?

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Anonymous  
Last year

I think Jock might be short for your first name Jerry, last name Attrick.

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Jock  
Last year

Sorry, I meant turmoil...lol

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jocks a little bit salty but mainly correct.
It's common practice at every other club where politics enter selections, Sturt are finally having a slump. And to say it's because of the 3 stooges leaving is wrong. Jantke only goes to established teams to win, Deano buys teams to win and Flynn just gets people to pay him for some weird reason, sort of like Kym Kardashian is only famous for being famous.
Sounds like the Sturt mystique of having div1 kids playing div2 and them and parents are brainwashed into thinking it's better to play div2 at Sturt and win, rather than go to another club and get a chance to play against best is over.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock mate, adding Spear and Kubank isn't as controversial as you’re making it out to be. Same with your forestville comment, if teams want to bolster their side with good players who want to come play for them, then what’s the issue?

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Anonymous  
Last year

#505 maybe that says something about West instead of Sturt

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Anonymous  
Last year

What happened four years ago? Do you mean appointing Butler?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Because they are cowards who are threatened by his vision, drive and ambition. Not that he would have time to care...he's probably been up all night on video link with College Coaches getting more SA players opportunities.
Generous with his IP too, for all players & parents from all clubs.
Seen his HPHN website? Goldmine of research & experiences...drills & mindset.
Lucky to have him here in SA.

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Anonymous  
Last year

What a hero. We are not worthy.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I'm sure 543 fails to see the irony of also posting as anonymous.

It's not just the negative comments that lack credibility.

People can make up their own mind. Don't just read anonymous posts on a forum. Get out there and ask players and coaches. That's where the answer is.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Well said, 549.

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Anonymous  
Last year

This the same Butler that coached the stacked 16s SAMetro Boys dreamteam to 8th at the Nationals then got promoted to head of SA High Performance????

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Anonymous  
Last year

So where does this put North in terms of coaching for 2021? Is Nyberg a top tier, middle tier or bottom tier coach in that league? I'm trying to get a handle on whether this is a good appointment or not but this thread is all over the place!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Poor to average coach but upper tier in the league. If ya catch my drift.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Hard to tell in the men, has had the best money can buy in his stint at southern and still managed to lose a couple.

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Anonymous  
Last year

In NBL 1 Central is a good appointment

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Anonymous  
Last year

There's no proof his budget has been any higher than the other good teams. Time to put up or shut up

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Anonymous  
Last year

Total budget was 4-5x most teams.

Normally when you win 2 titles you'd be coach of the year. Why was this not the case?

The top tier guys went there for the money and only the money.

Forestville/Woodville coaches can offer the top tier guys something outside of cash at least.

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Anonymous  
Last year

That last comment is hilarious.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Forestville's budget was 100k just for the Men. Amazing they didn't win everything with that money.


*See how anyone can just say something without proof and its really just slander and BS.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Omg, please tell me what the Woodville coaches have to offer the top tier guys??? Don't know much about the women's coach, but what's Scotty got to offer, 5% off a chicken parmy?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Still 5% more than the women's coach can offer.

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Anonymous  
Last year

How does Nybergs get jobs?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Because it's little old Adelaide and he's involved in exclusive state program, hence he must be a coaching genius.

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Anonymous  
Last year

570, despite the shortcomings of the person you mentioned there was some good outcomes whilst he was at the helm despite what the current slide from those historic teams shows.

The major loss was when his predecessor moved on. Huge success in player development outcomes and at Classics before he left, and in decades leading up to it, fruits of his labor and other's around him he put in place and supported.

In basketball those that are incapable will try and destroy and erode positive situations in the sport and for athletes because they are insecure and threatened. They are incapable of delivering the same outcomes, they feel insecure when it happens, so they try to crush it. Most of the time they will succeed. It is far easier to buy into negativity than positivity and most of the time the people delivering these outcomes can simply move onto something better outside the sport anyway.

The current situation is merely the fallout from that. It will take a decade or so to get sorted out and then the cycle will begin again, and no one will be wiser as to what happened or why.

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Jock  
Last year

It's pretty sad for SA Basketball (NBL1 Central) that we don't have any stocks / depth of senior coaches other than the same old names that get flogged around. Why don't we try and attract some of the Tier 2 coaches from the eastern states and players for that matter. Ohh I know, they won't come here because of the standard and we can't afford it.
What a Piss-Ant Town...

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Anonymous  
Last year

Until Adelaide can get their small minds around expansion you will only ever see recycled people. Change is not received well in Adelaide

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Jock  
Last year

Agreed #703 - 100% mate.

Take Sturt for example, have they ever appointed a senior men's coach that isn't within their own fraternity?

So if you were a decent young player coming through the ranks or established in the current Premier League / NBL1 Central conference, why wouldn't you look at opportunities in the stronger leagues of NBL1 South and North? Much better coaches, players and the clubs are run far more professionally.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Nothing wrong with promoting your own coaches. However for players wanting a higher level of competition then yes, they must go interstate.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock how long have you been in the game? 2 years?

Expansion to include who? Where?

Don't remember South stalwart Scott Ninnis coaching at Sturt either obviously? And where did Rigoni play?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock's been on this forum five minutes and already proving to be Hoops' most ill informed poster.

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Anonymous  
Last year

That's a tough accolade to earn.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So where's this money coming from to lure all these coaches and players from the eastern states. Most struggle to find 2 decent imports, which are plentiful, so how are you getting little Johnny or Sally to relocate from Melbourne? That's why better locals go to the aforementioned eastern states because they have much bigger budgets than Easterns meat raffle and Centrals game night soggy hot dogs.

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Jock  
Last year

#758 and #775 - You must be a Sturt person, did I hit a sensitive spot?

Where in my post did I mention expansion, you biff. Mate, the likes of Ninnis and Rigoni are examples from a long time ago my friend. I'm referring to the last 10yrs. Clearly, you are from the same ancient mentality that still unfortunately exists in this state’s basketball society. I’m talking about the likes of Sturt moving forward and not always picking Senior Coaches within their own fraternity. My point is we should be focusing on making it a serious option for interstate coaches to come to NBL1 Central league and attract the best possible talent. Build the right environment and vision; and maybe they’ll come.

And #782: I don’t buy into the fact that clubs have money issues. They don’t market themselves properly and are generally run by people who have a full-time job and don’t have time to run the club at full capacity or are old and retired or are volunteers. We need full time administrators and marketing plans and more dialog / lobbying with local councils, State Gov (Sports & Rec), Corp Business, etc.

BSA needs to step up and support the clubs to grow the sport and have a business plan / vision to ensure each club has a standardised model. Look at what Norwood Flames and North Adel Rockets are starting to do with appointing full-time staff.

Once the structure is in place, the likes of attracting interstate coaches and players will become a choice, and not how much will it cost. This means they will move over here to enhance their development and/or career (at their cost in some cases). There would be a few Tier 2 / Assistant Coaches interstate that are not getting the opportunity of senior roles because they’re all taken up, so why not look at the SA league?

#782: That’s the exact attitude that prevents this league and state from progressing. You are backward!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock. Go away. You have no idea.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock you could be the next Eastern Mavs President!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock = visionary - (activity+outcomes)

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Anonymous  
Last year

On the plus side, Jock at least you're giving us all a laugh, even though it's unintentional.

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Jock  
Last year

Whow, you guys really don't have any idea what 'progress' means - do ya?

These SA NBL1 clubs need to start thinking very differently, and operate like a business - with professionals at the helm.

I reiterate, PISS-ANT Town. Full of very complacent, non-risk takers - just like yourselves. The conservatives have spoken....have a good long hard look at the clubs you profess to represent.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Yep, I'm sure that div1 youth league team in nsw would love to quit his or her job and move to Adelaide to coach Woodville for a couple of grand. Nbl and international clubs were always scouting the premier league for up and coming coaching talent. Expect Will Weaver to hire Deano for his NBA coaching staff.
And Jock ya cock, what do these full time administrators do with their time and what marketing ideas do you have for them to implement? Administration is basically making sure fees are up to date, ordering uniforms and arranging training facilities. Throw in maybe running a mini ball comp they're not exactly ringing other teams for trades or scouting for the draft.
You make it like you're an ideas man, can you tell us some startlingly amazing ideas to market the team and league. Or are they so incredible that you can't just share them here.
Or are you just a blow hard that has absolutely no idea!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock, can you point to examples where your idea of "progress" has worked elsewhere in Australia for similarly-situated clubs?

It's all well and good to say that clubs should appoint someone like Norwood has in a senior program GM role, but that doesn't guarantee the outcomes you've listed off.

The consensus from those I've spoken with is that Norwood's GM will end up doing the same amount of work that most NBL1 Central head coaches do as part of their job. The difference being that Norwood are paying around 10x more, basically amounting to the equivalent of an entire NBL1 budget (if not more) at another club.

Great case study if nothing else.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock, you know what 'progress' means right? Not one thing you've said equates to progress, it's just all pie in the sky BS.

I'm going to take a stab that you're very new to basketball.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock, I appreciate what you are saying philosophically.

Your rhetoric, self grandeur, counter-intuitive arguments, self-contradiction, and lack of true insights show you are actually quite doltish.

If you care to reveal your identity I am sure that the people reviewing your discourse would take the path of being very sympathetic to ALL your issues from a holistic perspective. This would no doubt be to be your benefit as you clearly need a support network. Meanwhile, whilst deciding whether or not to understake this disclosure, you need to take care of yourself.

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Anonymous  
Last year

JankSpeare

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Jock  
Last year

You douchebags, clearly no business acumen #919, #935, #936 and especially #939.

Look at the business models that Melbourne Basketball clubs run, for example. In fact, other codes whom have teams in a 2nd tier competition (sitting under their national structure) are well ahead of the local basketball 'ex-district - premier league' teams in SA.

As we approach a national NBL1 competition (which now sits under and is overseen by the NBL), the local BSA teams will have to step it up or get left behind.

As for my ideas of how this is all going to work, c’mon guys – do you really think I’m going to indulge my IP on this forum. Let’s just say I’ve been around sport (not just basketball) and business for a while and I must say SA Basketball is way behind – especially thinking outside the box.

By the way, when I talk about full time administrators I mean executives such as CEO, GM, Commercial, Marketing, Finance etc – all of whom form part of being in charge of managing an organization, club, business etc. The word administrator is quite broad...but who am I to lecture experts like you!

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock I get that you're copping flack from other posters, but my post was pretty direct and refrained from name-calling or anything that could be construed as derogatory.

Don't be a bellend just to convince randoms on the internet that you might have some insight.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Again, where's the money coming from.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So clubs (especially this year) with no money, many of whom are in debt, should be going out and employing at least 4 full time employees in roles which generate minimal new income.
Jock SA basketball structure is very different to that of Victoria. You clearly don't understand the different systems state by state which basketball is played under. You claim posters have no business acumen but your one suggestion would send every club bankrupt within 12 months, probably less.

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Jock  
Last year

#989: Clearly you don't go out and impose all those overheads at once - you start off slow with one full time Exec who can play multiple roles as the business model is built, implemented and grows. Funding such an outlandish idea (god-forbid) comes from new income streams, be innovative and don’t just focus on juniors, minor sponsorships, fees etc. Think of:
-Business and Community Partnerships
-Corporate Days
-Potential investors
-Local councils – maybe its rent relief, funding of infrastructure and services, etc
-Government funding / grants
-Local broadcast / Live streaming opportunities – in other words media and commercial earnings.
-Possible Facility Ownership
-Education Programs to teach, supervise or coach existing junior club members and more importantly partner with local schools in your zone – and charge them. Basketball is an all year-round sport so it’s very unique. Also, align your club with regional areas of SA (exclude Mt Gambier and Mt Barker of course) and build an extra juniors program or alignment with the club, and possibly regional sponsorship dollars from that local regional community.

That’s why you need full-time staff.

Of course, I’m aware that each basketball state has different systems and structures, however, we only have to take parts of what is successful in the more developed basketball states and work out what can slowly be introduced here. If we just sit on our hands like your poor attitude, nothing will ever change or get better in this state for basketball.

Perhaps BSA or the NBL needs to build the template so all the NBL1 Central teams can have a base business model to work with and then adjust to how it might work in their environment / community.

Of course, this would all be too much hard work cos everyone like you just puts their hands in the air and says 'its too hard’.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Thanks for proving again you have no idea of an idea v reality.

Local broadcast ... OMG

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Anonymous  
Last year

^009 you just don't like that he is asking SA club's to try and do something different rather than always crying poor and saying we are not Victoria. But you are right you are different. Different from any other state because you never do or try anything different. You just recycle players and coaches through your strict 10 teams and that is it. That's what you do, that is what you have always done so that is it.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Like the idea of increasing league professionalism, but some of those ideas are ludicrous. Half the clubs already stream their games live, what broadcast partner do you suggest take on that role. Local footy is lucky to be on FTA, cant think of any other local sport that is televised.
There's already been big spending in upgrades at the Lights, ARC, St Clair and Mt Barker, on top of facilities at Starplex, Pasadena (will always call it that) and Wayville. Marion, Port Adelaide and Morphett Vale are shit holes, they spent a bit of money on reflooring, but they're still shit. They cant even put air conditioning in, so how the hell are they going to get them up to scratch. And how can a club afford to buy these facilities? Ridiculous.
And a lot of clubs already do school visits, run local comps, etc, that's how the imports and other paid employees get their money.
Jock, you're that out of touch with reality its frightening.

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There is merit in some of what you've said but unfortunately things have been so stagnant for decades that many of the changes you are talking about are not the current priority. We still have clubs playing in sheds with no air conditioning etc.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Until the structure changes whereby clubs can own & operate their venues for profit SA will always have this issue.

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Anonymous  
Last year

#031 its a bush league and the people inside it cant and wont change

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Anonymous  
Last year

We have one Family that controls everything that happens at one club, absolute shambles there despite the claim of biggest club in state. Cant even get change there let alone the whole competition.

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Social  
Last year

The challenge is that only half the clubs would have "control" over their venues - Sturt, Southern, West, Forestville, South. The stadium model is changing to community/school centres where basketball only has "limited control/access" of the centre - Woodville, Centrals, North, Norwood, Eastern. This is a challenge for the sport whether the non district competitions are run by the club or by BSA. What we need are more courts with South and West needing a better newer facility and Southern, Sturt and Forestville needing additional courts. I think the model of BSA running senior social comps and clubs running junior social/domestic is a good one.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Only the old time Hoops readers will understand, but...

Is Jock the new Yogee?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Maybe Jock is right and the clubs can sell themselves to all the basketball mad local billionaire like Mark Cuban, or the very least consortium's of mega millionaires. Then they can buy the stadiums, or even build new ones, hire general managers, directors of basketball personnel, scouts, president and vice president of basketball operations, team doctor and physiotherapist, nutritionist and private chefs. I can see companies lining up to put a tiny logo on uniforms, maybe half a million per season. And of course the reserves team would be run like the g league, so in regional centres. Centrals cop an injury, the GM rings up the Pt Pirie Big Cats and gives a player there a 15 day contract.
And why stop there, create a basketball network on tv, maybe make it channel 8 on free to air before pay tv and streaming services get in a bidding war.
Jock, don't know where you've crawled out from, but you are a visionary and completely changed the scenery of local basketball forever. Can't wait to see those corporate events, maybe they can have it during summer league after the newly created draft. Have it at the Port Lincoln Sharks facility, the affiliate of Eastern.

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Hanging Round  
Last year

Certainly changed away from topic
"Yogi" Jock certainly a visionary but needs to wake from his slumber- or just getting lots of 'bites'?

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Jock  
Last year

I'm definitely luvin the bites and reactions. Haha!

Ya gotta dream big boys and girls, or you'll just be known as a 'two bob' league, and never progress!

BSA Clubs, if you just keep doing what you've always done, then what hope is there?

Anyway, I hope you've enjoyed the journey.

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Anonymous  
Last year

Good work Jock. Immense contribution to stupidity. We assume this means you will be back to anonymous troll now?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock, most clubs have changed their business and basketball models significantly over the past 3-5 years. Competition and learning from other states as well as being progressive has been a part of that. Some clubs have contributed to and have access to the best stadiums in Adelaide now, as preferred tenant/hirer over BSA. Some Clubs continue to negotiate leases over stadiums.

Junior programs through domestic competitions have seen massive growth in Club memberships at a number of the more forward thinking clubs. Unfortunately not all have bought in, and those that haven't have seen their numbers and standard drop off.

To suggest the BSA Clubs aren't being progressive or changing is grossly unfair and untrue. Theyre doing it, within their means. Your wish list is not at all constructive.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

Biggest mistake clubs are making is going to so called community centres and not owning the lease to the centres. Need basketball stadiums for specific clubs. Have a look at footy clubs, cricket clubs, soccer clubs, tennis clubs, netball clubs. They lease council land and get full use of facilities, public can still use them but you have to go through the clubs.
Clubrooms for footy, netball etc have millions spent on upgrades for their own use. For example the Rockets when nogotiating The Lights they should have got 2 courts specifically for rockets use on their own lease which they can then utilise as they see fit, with clubrooms built adjoining them, etc to make the site a home for their supporters to go. They should have had a building fund going a very long time ago.
District clubs seem to be hanging back waiting for Basketball SA to do things for them.

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Anonymous  
Last year

You say that like the wouldn't have tried. The only way these venues get public money is if they are multi sport. It is a choice of share or go without.

Last I checked Footy and Cricket clubs nearly always share facilities.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

Last I checked footy only played for 6 months in winter and cricket played for 6 months in summer. If footy games competitions were played 12 months, cricket would be gone out of some places pretty quick.
And when they use these facilities for their 6 months, they get complete use of them.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I don't think North could have gone to Lights management and said if you don't give us 2 courts we're going somewhere else.
If BSA opened up the war chest and actually built some stadiums themselves and allocated them to clubs to run, then it would make the clubs more conducive to operating them and looking at building basketball.
The John McVeighty Centre in Playford has just announced they are kicking the YMCA out in the new year and will be running it through the council. Imagine if they had said to Centrals, heres a 2 court air conditioned stadium, you run it and pay a nominal lease and keep whatever you make. Of course Centrals have Starplex backing them up, but if it was South in the same boat it would be perfect for them.

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sixtiesrockstar  
Last year

Local council and government spending millions and currently in the proces of upgrading Modbury Vista soccer club. Layed new synthetic turf surface, lighting and new clubrooms. As far as I am aware they are the only tenants.

North could have done anything if they had business plan, capital funding, etc, etc.
Considering they are now on a different agreement/system to what they had at Hillcrest.

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Anonymous  
Last year

BSA warchest would pay for a 1 court stadium. Not sure how much money you think they have or how much you think these places cost to build.

Indoor is very different to soccer pitches outdoors.

Cricket and Football clash all the time, maybe go speak to a Cricket Club Board member. Agree Football get the run of the place. They're also the most powerful sport in Southern Australia. And outdoor venues with club rooms are very different to indoor centres with high cost and high demand.

If it was that easy Volleyball would have one venue to call their own. They can't even manage that.

Football, Cricket, Soccer and Netball are the golden sports according to Governments and Councils. Everyone else is just trying to get whatever funds are left over.

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Anonymous  
Last year

So what has North done differently to Woodville, Norwood, Mavericks and Centrals?

North is amongst most successful clubs with amongst lowest fees to play but also one of the strongest clubs from a financial perspective. Maybe world domination doesn't mean success

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Anonymous  
Last year

My understanding that through their low cost model North somehow managed to grow, and outgrow other clubs who have been bleeding money at a higher cost to members.

They built a massive war chest for a rainy day. That rainy day never came and now they using their war chest to take the program to the next level again. They are clearly poised to do just that now with coaching coups, new venue, technology, and all their mod cons.

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Jock  
Last year

Whow, how I'm luving the flow of positive juices with the last lot of posters.

You see, they're starting to throw all sorts of ideas, options and ideas around.

Other codes in this State are getting more out of local councils and state government because they have better business plans and vision. They also lobby to these groups better than BSA and local clubs. They are also more aggressive in negotiating the best outcome.

There is evident fractions between local clubs and the state body, BSA. No collaboration for the betterment of the game.

At the end of the day, these facilities that have been build would be F*#*ed without NBL1 Central clubs as tenants. They simply would not be sustainable. So who's got BSA and NBL1 clubs by the balls.

For example I'm pretty sure Norwood have negotiated an exclusive allocation of courts and access to the facility that benefits the club.

Pretty sure Woodville Warriors is dictated by the Charles Sturt Council and Woodville High School.

Why hasn't the West Adelaide Bearcats expanded or moved from the derelict facility they're in. Granted they have tried to expand the facility and put forward a proposal (with the support of a builder) to develop the current site, but it failed.

The local clubs (along with BSA) don't have enough clout to influence decision makers, or express the vision.

Don't even let me start on CD Lions, where the local college is cashed up and owns the infrastructure. Again, without CD Lions as a tenant - the college is F*#*ed.

Anyway, apparently I don't know what I'm talking about and should shut up? Well that's because most of the negative comments on this forum are from very complacent people who are obviously content with the way things are placed today, not tomorrow.

Enjoy my commentary haters.

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Anonymous  
Last year

"Why hasn't the West Adelaide Bearcats expanded or moved from the derelict facility they're in."

They've definitely explored many options over the years. Given those previous options weren't viable, where do you suggest they move?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Is it just me, or is every one of Jock's posts dumber than the last?

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Anonymous  
Last year

Do some more research on the Woodville deal and then come back to us jock

Miles away son

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Anonymous  
Last year

Jock been listening to Trump. Says something therefore it's true. A little information very dangerous and he clearly has little information. Best just let this thread die out. Jock I suggest joining a committee, or BSA commission as you have all the answers. Bet you don't last long.

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Anonymous  
Last year

I'm pretty sure trinitys millions pale in comparison to Centrals tiny drop which is always late. If it wasn't for the Starplex general manager becoming the president of Centrals years ago that club would no longer exist. Starplex can quite happily do without Centrals.
Norwood miscalculated how much court hire would be and pay a premium now for a facility touted as a 5 court stadium, someone just forgot to measure 3 of those courts.
Clubs are desperate to find courts to even train on. A lot of times if the school needs them for some concert or whatever, teams are booted out. The facilities hold all the cards you Muppet. Most have waiting lists of social teams to fill their competitions. No one wants a 10pm game but they have to because of demand.
Once again jocko you have no idea.

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