Clearly you know nothing Thanks.

With a big budget he'll do well

Even with a North Adelaide sized budget not being in the same ball park when compared to the big spenders in the league he will still do well

Wow Sturt, who's next? Rockets driving a bulldozer through your front door

North must be real great bulldozing through another club admitting they can't develop their own.

What clubs have a track record of developing their own?

Both Dean and Liam went to Sturt from elsewhere btw. How many NBL1 coaches are homegrown? You can't expect a semi pro competition and then complain because clubs don't run them like it's the 70s.

He won't have McVeigh, and the likelihood of picking up NBL guys is low anyway. If you couple this with a much lower budget that previous stints, I think it will be a big challenge to get the W’s required for playoffs.

What clubs have a track record of developing their own?

Woodville- Whitmore
Sturt - Rigoni
Forestville- Simons
Centrals - Atkins
Eastern - Rojo (I believe that's where he started off coaching but could be wrong)
North - Was Hawkes, played all his senior career there

So quite a high percentage really, considering no local will touch Norwood, everyone thought southern would be declared bankrupt, South a bit of both and West previously had Kubank, Spear, Ali etc who are West through and through.

And Dean will get the money to buy a title like he did at Southern, a bit of that from his own pocket.

Hearing North have signed Maher & Forman as Club ambassadors

Renaming court 1 at lightsview "The Todd Gower Court"

I can't imagine them ever naming it after a Norwood junior! Sturt guys are one thing but Norwood is blasphemy out there.

^Why?

Hanging Round, I'm not sure I get your point...?

Wasn't Corey a Woodville HC for a while?

Sturt will get through this, they've still got Alex Wright.....

Corey played all his juniors at West, started coaching at West.

Rogers was a long term Mavs guy before he went to Norwood.

He is a coach, he should have relished the opportunity to coach in the ABC. Doesn't require a public thank you

381, you're a little ray of sunshine aren't you champ?

It's common practice to thank the outgoing coach (even if he was a caretaker) when a new appointment is made.

The main guy in Hawkes was thanked, maybe it would have been nice but in reality he was the caretaker coach for really a c grade competition.

#382 and you are why basketball is SA is stuck in the 70's.

How can you thank someone that wasn't even appointed? Think he was the only one that showed up with a whiteboard.

391 what has thanking someone got to do with the 70s.
Reaching much?

Back on topic, is this the best they could have done? Is there someone out there they should have appointed instead and is this an upgrade on what they had for the past 5 or so years with Nathan?

Let's not go there. What is done is done now it is time to move forwards with the direction. Looking backwards over the past 5 years or decisions made recently made is futile. Time to look forwards.

Sounds like you're suggesting there was a better outcome possible for them?

What are North Adelaide Rockets wishing for?

They really needed a quality point guard the last few years. Cj Reed showed up a few cheeseburgers overweight, everyone thought he'd work himself into game shape but just remained fat.
Then they got hot headed BJ who never met a shot he didn't like. Dowdell while very good was unnecessary with Starling, should have gone for a decent guard to complement Starling and McVeigh.
Wonder who they recruit, probably half of Sturts team has been spoken too. A lot of shit about development of juniors, might have played reserves and 23s because they didn't get a run in main side.

Rockets have gone past Sturt so fast they've given them windburn. Sturt had 2 once in a generation boys teams come through in quick succession...but it’s looking pretty lean these days... Flynn Nyberg & Jantke are connected to every promising junior player in Adelaide...whoever they want, they will get. The pain has probably only just started....but it’s a good thing....clubs will have to lift their game to keep up.

Sturt will be fine. Their current U18 boys medalled at Classics in 16s and a lot of them in the U16 SA team that medalled too.

That group also has added a lot also and with a year under Jase Williams will be even better.

Depends if one club president also sent selected Sturt kids an email to attend their trials on 15th of November and that club is not North

Jason Williams is a great Coach, but he can't do it all alone. The team you speak of has done nothing, lost Grand Final after Grand Final. It’s a hand picked scholarship team that continues to underachieve, spoon fed silver service development & not delivering the goods.
They’ve been hiding behind Rigoni, Mudronja, White Griffin Dyer Rasmussen Gritsci etc for years & now they’ve been exposed. Couldn’t get out of the group stage at State Champs, sitting mid table in 16s 18s....the mystique is well & truly gone...people don’t rate them, & are going after them big time. Parent power dictates selection down there & guess what? They ain’t that good.They’ve actually got better players in the div 2 team.

Why talk in riddles?

Coaching Directors are the most important role in a club.

The club knows where it all went wrong, when and by whom but now don't have the ability to fix the damage caused. Now the program is a lame duck.

Forestville are watching it all unravel with keen interest indeed.

Forestville!? They have the worst boys program in Adelaide. And their girls rely on the older age groups. They've returned to the Forestville of pre-Wayville.

"Lame Duck" is a bit of stretch! Sturt are probably on the poach as we speak, they don't take losing lying down. Rumours of the squeaky wheel parent power down there are the stuff of legend.
Basketball people the calibre of Butler, Flynn, Jantke & Nyberg have all left for varying reasons, but no doubt Sturt would be concerned, not having those Guys weakens the club. That’s why it’s vital they keep Jason Williams at any cost, great Coach, even better Bloke.

What's a teramole? A lot of moles?

I think Jock might be short for your first name Jerry, last name Attrick.

Jocks a little bit salty but mainly correct.
It's common practice at every other club where politics enter selections, Sturt are finally having a slump. And to say it's because of the 3 stooges leaving is wrong. Jantke only goes to established teams to win, Deano buys teams to win and Flynn just gets people to pay him for some weird reason, sort of like Kym Kardashian is only famous for being famous.
Sounds like the Sturt mystique of having div1 kids playing div2 and them and parents are brainwashed into thinking it's better to play div2 at Sturt and win, rather than go to another club and get a chance to play against best is over.

Jock mate, adding Spear and Kubank isn't as controversial as you’re making it out to be. Same with your forestville comment, if teams want to bolster their side with good players who want to come play for them, then what’s the issue?

#505 maybe that says something about West instead of Sturt

What happened four years ago? Do you mean appointing Butler?

Because they are cowards who are threatened by his vision, drive and ambition. Not that he would have time to care...he's probably been up all night on video link with College Coaches getting more SA players opportunities.
Generous with his IP too, for all players & parents from all clubs.
Seen his HPHN website? Goldmine of research & experiences...drills & mindset.
Lucky to have him here in SA.

What a hero. We are not worthy.

I'm sure 543 fails to see the irony of also posting as anonymous.

It's not just the negative comments that lack credibility.

People can make up their own mind. Don't just read anonymous posts on a forum. Get out there and ask players and coaches. That's where the answer is.

Well said, 549.

This the same Butler that coached the stacked 16s SAMetro Boys dreamteam to 8th at the Nationals then got promoted to head of SA High Performance????

So where does this put North in terms of coaching for 2021? Is Nyberg a top tier, middle tier or bottom tier coach in that league? I'm trying to get a handle on whether this is a good appointment or not but this thread is all over the place!

Poor to average coach but upper tier in the league. If ya catch my drift.

Hard to tell in the men, has had the best money can buy in his stint at southern and still managed to lose a couple.

In NBL 1 Central is a good appointment

There's no proof his budget has been any higher than the other good teams. Time to put up or shut up

Total budget was 4-5x most teams.

Normally when you win 2 titles you'd be coach of the year. Why was this not the case?

The top tier guys went there for the money and only the money.

Forestville/Woodville coaches can offer the top tier guys something outside of cash at least.

That last comment is hilarious.

Forestville's budget was 100k just for the Men. Amazing they didn't win everything with that money.


*See how anyone can just say something without proof and its really just slander and BS.

Omg, please tell me what the Woodville coaches have to offer the top tier guys??? Don't know much about the women's coach, but what's Scotty got to offer, 5% off a chicken parmy?

Still 5% more than the women's coach can offer.

How does Nybergs get jobs?

Because it's little old Adelaide and he's involved in exclusive state program, hence he must be a coaching genius.

570, despite the shortcomings of the person you mentioned there was some good outcomes whilst he was at the helm despite what the current slide from those historic teams shows.

The major loss was when his predecessor moved on. Huge success in player development outcomes and at Classics before he left, and in decades leading up to it, fruits of his labor and other's around him he put in place and supported.

In basketball those that are incapable will try and destroy and erode positive situations in the sport and for athletes because they are insecure and threatened. They are incapable of delivering the same outcomes, they feel insecure when it happens, so they try to crush it. Most of the time they will succeed. It is far easier to buy into negativity than positivity and most of the time the people delivering these outcomes can simply move onto something better outside the sport anyway.

The current situation is merely the fallout from that. It will take a decade or so to get sorted out and then the cycle will begin again, and no one will be wiser as to what happened or why.

Until Adelaide can get their small minds around expansion you will only ever see recycled people. Change is not received well in Adelaide

Nothing wrong with promoting your own coaches. However for players wanting a higher level of competition then yes, they must go interstate.

Jock how long have you been in the game? 2 years?

Expansion to include who? Where?

Don't remember South stalwart Scott Ninnis coaching at Sturt either obviously? And where did Rigoni play?

Jock's been on this forum five minutes and already proving to be Hoops' most ill informed poster.

That's a tough accolade to earn.

So where's this money coming from to lure all these coaches and players from the eastern states. Most struggle to find 2 decent imports, which are plentiful, so how are you getting little Johnny or Sally to relocate from Melbourne? That's why better locals go to the aforementioned eastern states because they have much bigger budgets than Easterns meat raffle and Centrals game night soggy hot dogs.

Jock. Go away. You have no idea.

Jock you could be the next Eastern Mavs President!

Jock = visionary - (activity+outcomes)

On the plus side, Jock at least you're giving us all a laugh, even though it's unintentional.

Yep, I'm sure that div1 youth league team in nsw would love to quit his or her job and move to Adelaide to coach Woodville for a couple of grand. Nbl and international clubs were always scouting the premier league for up and coming coaching talent. Expect Will Weaver to hire Deano for his NBA coaching staff.
And Jock ya cock, what do these full time administrators do with their time and what marketing ideas do you have for them to implement? Administration is basically making sure fees are up to date, ordering uniforms and arranging training facilities. Throw in maybe running a mini ball comp they're not exactly ringing other teams for trades or scouting for the draft.
You make it like you're an ideas man, can you tell us some startlingly amazing ideas to market the team and league. Or are they so incredible that you can't just share them here.
Or are you just a blow hard that has absolutely no idea!

Jock, can you point to examples where your idea of "progress" has worked elsewhere in Australia for similarly-situated clubs?

It's all well and good to say that clubs should appoint someone like Norwood has in a senior program GM role, but that doesn't guarantee the outcomes you've listed off.

The consensus from those I've spoken with is that Norwood's GM will end up doing the same amount of work that most NBL1 Central head coaches do as part of their job. The difference being that Norwood are paying around 10x more, basically amounting to the equivalent of an entire NBL1 budget (if not more) at another club.

Great case study if nothing else.

Jock, you know what 'progress' means right? Not one thing you've said equates to progress, it's just all pie in the sky BS.

I'm going to take a stab that you're very new to basketball.

Jock, I appreciate what you are saying philosophically.

Your rhetoric, self grandeur, counter-intuitive arguments, self-contradiction, and lack of true insights show you are actually quite doltish.

If you care to reveal your identity I am sure that the people reviewing your discourse would take the path of being very sympathetic to ALL your issues from a holistic perspective. This would no doubt be to be your benefit as you clearly need a support network. Meanwhile, whilst deciding whether or not to understake this disclosure, you need to take care of yourself.

JankSpeare

Jock I get that you're copping flack from other posters, but my post was pretty direct and refrained from name-calling or anything that could be construed as derogatory.

Don't be a bellend just to convince randoms on the internet that you might have some insight.

Again, where's the money coming from.

So clubs (especially this year) with no money, many of whom are in debt, should be going out and employing at least 4 full time employees in roles which generate minimal new income.
Jock SA basketball structure is very different to that of Victoria. You clearly don't understand the different systems state by state which basketball is played under. You claim posters have no business acumen but your one suggestion would send every club bankrupt within 12 months, probably less.

Thanks for proving again you have no idea of an idea v reality.

Local broadcast ... OMG

^009 you just don't like that he is asking SA club's to try and do something different rather than always crying poor and saying we are not Victoria. But you are right you are different. Different from any other state because you never do or try anything different. You just recycle players and coaches through your strict 10 teams and that is it. That's what you do, that is what you have always done so that is it.

Like the idea of increasing league professionalism, but some of those ideas are ludicrous. Half the clubs already stream their games live, what broadcast partner do you suggest take on that role. Local footy is lucky to be on FTA, cant think of any other local sport that is televised.
There's already been big spending in upgrades at the Lights, ARC, St Clair and Mt Barker, on top of facilities at Starplex, Pasadena (will always call it that) and Wayville. Marion, Port Adelaide and Morphett Vale are shit holes, they spent a bit of money on reflooring, but they're still shit. They cant even put air conditioning in, so how the hell are they going to get them up to scratch. And how can a club afford to buy these facilities? Ridiculous.
And a lot of clubs already do school visits, run local comps, etc, that's how the imports and other paid employees get their money.
Jock, you're that out of touch with reality its frightening.

Until the structure changes whereby clubs can own & operate their venues for profit SA will always have this issue.

#031 its a bush league and the people inside it cant and wont change

We have one Family that controls everything that happens at one club, absolute shambles there despite the claim of biggest club in state. Cant even get change there let alone the whole competition.

Only the old time Hoops readers will understand, but...

Is Jock the new Yogee?

Maybe Jock is right and the clubs can sell themselves to all the basketball mad local billionaire like Mark Cuban, or the very least consortium's of mega millionaires. Then they can buy the stadiums, or even build new ones, hire general managers, directors of basketball personnel, scouts, president and vice president of basketball operations, team doctor and physiotherapist, nutritionist and private chefs. I can see companies lining up to put a tiny logo on uniforms, maybe half a million per season. And of course the reserves team would be run like the g league, so in regional centres. Centrals cop an injury, the GM rings up the Pt Pirie Big Cats and gives a player there a 15 day contract.
And why stop there, create a basketball network on tv, maybe make it channel 8 on free to air before pay tv and streaming services get in a bidding war.
Jock, don't know where you've crawled out from, but you are a visionary and completely changed the scenery of local basketball forever. Can't wait to see those corporate events, maybe they can have it during summer league after the newly created draft. Have it at the Port Lincoln Sharks facility, the affiliate of Eastern.

Good work Jock. Immense contribution to stupidity. We assume this means you will be back to anonymous troll now?

Jock, most clubs have changed their business and basketball models significantly over the past 3-5 years. Competition and learning from other states as well as being progressive has been a part of that. Some clubs have contributed to and have access to the best stadiums in Adelaide now, as preferred tenant/hirer over BSA. Some Clubs continue to negotiate leases over stadiums.

Junior programs through domestic competitions have seen massive growth in Club memberships at a number of the more forward thinking clubs. Unfortunately not all have bought in, and those that haven't have seen their numbers and standard drop off.

To suggest the BSA Clubs aren't being progressive or changing is grossly unfair and untrue. Theyre doing it, within their means. Your wish list is not at all constructive.

You say that like the wouldn't have tried. The only way these venues get public money is if they are multi sport. It is a choice of share or go without.

Last I checked Footy and Cricket clubs nearly always share facilities.

I don't think North could have gone to Lights management and said if you don't give us 2 courts we're going somewhere else.
If BSA opened up the war chest and actually built some stadiums themselves and allocated them to clubs to run, then it would make the clubs more conducive to operating them and looking at building basketball.
The John McVeighty Centre in Playford has just announced they are kicking the YMCA out in the new year and will be running it through the council. Imagine if they had said to Centrals, heres a 2 court air conditioned stadium, you run it and pay a nominal lease and keep whatever you make. Of course Centrals have Starplex backing them up, but if it was South in the same boat it would be perfect for them.

BSA warchest would pay for a 1 court stadium. Not sure how much money you think they have or how much you think these places cost to build.

Indoor is very different to soccer pitches outdoors.

Cricket and Football clash all the time, maybe go speak to a Cricket Club Board member. Agree Football get the run of the place. They're also the most powerful sport in Southern Australia. And outdoor venues with club rooms are very different to indoor centres with high cost and high demand.

If it was that easy Volleyball would have one venue to call their own. They can't even manage that.

Football, Cricket, Soccer and Netball are the golden sports according to Governments and Councils. Everyone else is just trying to get whatever funds are left over.

So what has North done differently to Woodville, Norwood, Mavericks and Centrals?

North is amongst most successful clubs with amongst lowest fees to play but also one of the strongest clubs from a financial perspective. Maybe world domination doesn't mean success

My understanding that through their low cost model North somehow managed to grow, and outgrow other clubs who have been bleeding money at a higher cost to members.

They built a massive war chest for a rainy day. That rainy day never came and now they using their war chest to take the program to the next level again. They are clearly poised to do just that now with coaching coups, new venue, technology, and all their mod cons.

"Why hasn't the West Adelaide Bearcats expanded or moved from the derelict facility they're in."

They've definitely explored many options over the years. Given those previous options weren't viable, where do you suggest they move?

Is it just me, or is every one of Jock's posts dumber than the last?

Do some more research on the Woodville deal and then come back to us jock

Miles away son

Jock been listening to Trump. Says something therefore it's true. A little information very dangerous and he clearly has little information. Best just let this thread die out. Jock I suggest joining a committee, or BSA commission as you have all the answers. Bet you don't last long.

I'm pretty sure trinitys millions pale in comparison to Centrals tiny drop which is always late. If it wasn't for the Starplex general manager becoming the president of Centrals years ago that club would no longer exist. Starplex can quite happily do without Centrals.
Norwood miscalculated how much court hire would be and pay a premium now for a facility touted as a 5 court stadium, someone just forgot to measure 3 of those courts.
Clubs are desperate to find courts to even train on. A lot of times if the school needs them for some concert or whatever, teams are booted out. The facilities hold all the cards you Muppet. Most have waiting lists of social teams to fill their competitions. No one wants a 10pm game but they have to because of demand.
Once again jocko you have no idea.